• Help with RiscPC keyboard stop working

    From Martin Taylor@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 29 06:55:48 2021
    Hi good people my RiscPC wont work with any keyboard i put on it PS2 (nothing no flash of led) or even an acorn keyboard (which when first pluged in it does flash the leds) but then nothing.... is this an easy fix ?? can it be fixed?

    the machine boots and the mouse and everything works great just no bloody keyboard and help would be great

    Thank you
    Martin

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  • From Brian Howlett@21:1/5 to Martin Taylor on Thu Apr 29 19:48:27 2021
    On 29 Apr, Martin Taylor <mtaylor141273@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi good people my RiscPC wont work with any keyboard i put on it PS2
    (nothing no flash of led) or even an acorn keyboard (which when first
    pluged in it does flash the leds) but then nothing.... is this an easy
    fix ?? can it be fixed?

    the machine boots and the mouse and everything works great just no
    bloody keyboard and help would be great

    Not 100% certain, but I think there's a fuse that protects the PS/2 slot
    on the RPC m/board, which may have blown.

    You can download drawings (but not the TRM) from down the bottom of this
    page:

    <http://chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/docs/Acorn/Manuals/Manuals.html>

    7MB download, in .PDF format.

    Or more likely, someone with a better memory than me might confirm my
    memory, or lack thereof...
    --
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  • From Martin Taylor@21:1/5 to Brian Howlett on Thu Apr 29 13:04:57 2021
    On Thursday, 29 April 2021 at 19:48:39 UTC+1, Brian Howlett wrote:
    On 29 Apr, Martin Taylor <mtaylo...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi good people my RiscPC wont work with any keyboard i put on it PS2 (nothing no flash of led) or even an acorn keyboard (which when first pluged in it does flash the leds) but then nothing.... is this an easy
    fix ?? can it be fixed?

    the machine boots and the mouse and everything works great just no
    bloody keyboard and help would be great
    Not 100% certain, but I think there's a fuse that protects the PS/2 slot
    on the RPC m/board, which may have blown.

    You can download drawings (but not the TRM) from down the bottom of this page:

    <http://chrisacorns.computinghistory.org.uk/docs/Acorn/Manuals/Manuals.html>

    7MB download, in .PDF format.

    Or more likely, someone with a better memory than me might confirm my memory, or lack thereof...
    --
    Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen -----------------------------------------------------
    This .sig deliberately left blank...
    Hi Brian thank you for your input but if i read this right and from what i have read further that the mouse and the keyboard share the same fuse and i have checked that fuse and its good plus the mouse works ...... not sure what is going on with it just
    no matter what keyboard i throw at it just wont work not even holding the R key down while powering on does nothing i have checked the voltage to the socket and it is getting voltage.


    Thank You

    Martin

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  • From Steve Fryatt@21:1/5 to Tim Hill on Thu Apr 29 22:12:59 2021
    On 29 Apr, Tim Hill wrote in message
    <5924eeb422tim@invalid.org.uk>:

    CJE was 'bragging' at the show last weekend that he's obtained new cables with plugs on them for Acorn keyboards. A break in one of those cables
    could explain your problem.

    I thought it was mice they had cables for -- unlike keyboards, they're not standard because Acorn did (mostly) their own thing with the connections and plugs. That said, I didn't follow the talks in close detail, so might have missed the keyboard bit.

    --
    Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

    http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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  • From Martin Taylor@21:1/5 to Tim Hill on Thu Apr 29 13:58:39 2021
    On Thursday, 29 April 2021 at 21:39:50 UTC+1, Tim Hill wrote:
    In article <6269fdf2-82a1-4856...@googlegroups.com>,
    Martin Taylor <mtaylo...@gmail.com> wrote:

    [Snip]
    ...... not sure what is going on with it just no matter what keyboard i throw at it just wont work not even holding the R key down while
    powering on does nothing i have checked the voltage to the socket and
    it is getting voltage.
    CJE was 'bragging' at the show last weekend that he's obtained new cables with plugs on them for Acorn keyboards. A break in one of those cables
    could explain your problem.

    --

    Tim Hill
    Webmaster, https://timil.com

    websites : php : RISC OS
    Well i just ordered a new dedicated ps2 keyboard because i have always used ps2 to usb adaptor ... so maybe the adaptor has gone bad i get the new keyboard tomorrow so will will see if that helps any.

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  • From Tim Hill@21:1/5 to Martin Taylor on Thu Apr 29 21:32:08 2021
    In article <6269fdf2-82a1-4856-9d8c-f2ff3fc69554n@googlegroups.com>,
    Martin Taylor <mtaylor141273@gmail.com> wrote:

    [Snip]

    ...... not sure what is going on with it just no matter what keyboard i
    throw at it just wont work not even holding the R key down while
    powering on does nothing i have checked the voltage to the socket and
    it is getting voltage.

    CJE was 'bragging' at the show last weekend that he's obtained new cables
    with plugs on them for Acorn keyboards. A break in one of those cables
    could explain your problem.

    --

    Tim Hill
    Webmaster, https://timil.com

    websites : php : RISC OS

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  • From Tim Hill@21:1/5 to news@stevefryatt.org.uk on Fri Apr 30 00:14:24 2021
    In article <mpro.qscg9h01x4m5x0362.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
    On 29 Apr, Tim Hill wrote in message <5924eeb422tim@invalid.org.uk>:

    CJE was 'bragging' at the show last weekend that he's obtained new
    cables with plugs on them for Acorn keyboards. A break in one of
    those cables could explain your problem.

    I thought it was mice they had cables for -- unlike keyboards, they're
    not standard because Acorn did (mostly) their own thing with the
    connections and plugs. That said, I didn't follow the talks in close
    detail, so might have missed the keyboard bit.

    Oh, you could be right about them being mouse cables. Mea culpa.

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  • From Kevin Wells@21:1/5 to Martin Taylor on Fri Apr 30 14:38:11 2021
    In message <f0dd7ef7-ce80-4c3f-82a1-b32f464d4a8cn@googlegroups.com>
    Martin Taylor <mtaylor141273@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi good people my RiscPC wont work with any keyboard i put on it PS2 (nothing no flash of led) or even an acorn keyboard (which when first pluged in it does flash the leds) but then nothing.... is this an easy fix ?? can it be fixed?

    the machine boots and the mouse and everything works great just no bloody keyboard and help would be great

    Thank you
    Martin

    As a tempory solution you could use my virtual keyboard called vkeyboard
    from:

    http://kevsoft.co.uk/

    At least you will be able to type on the computer.

    --
    Kev Wells
    http://kevsoft.co.uk/ https://ko-fi.com/kevsoft
    carpe cervisium
    Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep

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  • From Martin Taylor@21:1/5 to Kevin Wells on Fri Apr 30 07:50:46 2021
    On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 15:45:23 UTC+1, Kevin Wells wrote:
    In message <f0dd7ef7-ce80-4c3f...@googlegroups.com>
    Martin Taylor <mtaylo...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi good people my RiscPC wont work with any keyboard i put on it PS2 (nothing no flash of led) or even an acorn keyboard (which when first pluged in it does flash the leds) but then nothing.... is this an easy fix ?? can it be fixed?

    the machine boots and the mouse and everything works great just no bloody keyboard and help would be great

    Thank you
    Martin
    As a tempory solution you could use my virtual keyboard called vkeyboard from:

    http://kevsoft.co.uk/

    At least you will be able to type on the computer.

    --
    Kev Wells
    http://kevsoft.co.uk/ https://ko-fi.com/kevsoft
    carpe cervisium
    Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
    Thank you Kevin i downloaded it and its a good stop gap for now until i find out what the issue is


    Thank you
    Martin

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  • From Martin Taylor@21:1/5 to Martin Taylor on Fri Apr 30 08:20:16 2021
    On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 15:50:47 UTC+1, Martin Taylor wrote:
    On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 15:45:23 UTC+1, Kevin Wells wrote:
    In message <f0dd7ef7-ce80-4c3f...@googlegroups.com>
    Martin Taylor <mtaylo...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi good people my RiscPC wont work with any keyboard i put on it PS2 (nothing no flash of led) or even an acorn keyboard (which when first pluged in it does flash the leds) but then nothing.... is this an easy fix ?? can it be fixed?

    the machine boots and the mouse and everything works great just no bloody keyboard and help would be great

    Thank you
    Martin
    As a tempory solution you could use my virtual keyboard called vkeyboard from:

    http://kevsoft.co.uk/

    At least you will be able to type on the computer.

    --
    Kev Wells
    http://kevsoft.co.uk/ https://ko-fi.com/kevsoft
    carpe cervisium
    Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
    Thank you Kevin i downloaded it and its a good stop gap for now until i find out what the issue is


    Thank you
    Martin
    Yay!!!! i got it working i had a broken track which i thought i had repaired correctly after battery leak but just redone all the traces and its back up keyboard is working, thank you to everyone and Kevin i will be leaving your app on there and set to
    load on boot just in case i have this issue again once again thanks people .


    Thank You
    Martin

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  • From Chris Evans (CJE/4D)@21:1/5 to Martin Taylor on Fri Apr 30 17:26:56 2021
    In article <227eff32-eae0-4ba0-8ec0-b579c5463343n@googlegroups.com>,
    Martin Taylor <URL:mailto:mtaylor141273@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 15:50:47 UTC+1, Martin Taylor wrote:
    On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 15:45:23 UTC+1, Kevin Wells wrote:
    In message <f0dd7ef7-ce80-4c3f...@googlegroups.com>
    Martin Taylor <mtaylo...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi good people my RiscPC wont work with any keyboard i put on it PS2 (nothing no
    flash of led) or even an acorn keyboard (which when first pluged in it does flash the
    leds) but then nothing.... is this an easy fix ?? can it be fixed?

    the machine boots and the mouse and everything works great just no bloody keyboar
    d and help would be great

    Thank you
    Martin
    As a tempory solution you could use my virtual keyboard called vkeyboard from:

    http://kevsoft.co.uk/

    At least you will be able to type on the computer.

    --
    Kev Wells
    http://kevsoft.co.uk/ https://ko-fi.com/kevsoft
    carpe cervisium
    Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
    Thank you Kevin i downloaded it and its a good stop gap for now until i find out wha
    t the issue is


    Thank you
    Martin

    Yay!!!! i got it working i had a broken track which i thought i had repaired correctly after battery leak but just redone all the traces and its back up keyboard is working, thank you to everyone and Kevin i will be leaving your app on there and set to load on boot just in case i have this issue again once again thanks people .

    Glad it's sorted.

    Not heard of that fault before. I didn't think any keyboard tracks were anywhere near the battery! Can you explain where the track was?
    Board mk 1, 2 or 3?


    Chris Evans

    --

    ****** IGEPv5: The fastest RISC OS computer so far! *******
    ------------ http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/igepv5 ------------
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    Tel: +44 (0)1903 523222
    chris@cjemicros.co.uk http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/
    Unit 16 Arunside Ind. Est., Fort Road, Littlehampton, W.Sussex BN17 7QU

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  • From Harriet Bazley@21:1/5 to Martin Taylor on Fri Apr 30 17:00:21 2021
    On 30 Apr 2021 as I do recall,
    Martin Taylor wrote:

    [snip]


    Yay!!!! i got it working i had a broken track which i thought i had
    repaired correctly after battery leak but just redone all the traces
    and its back up

    Hurrah!


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    It is better to be deceived by a friend, than to suspect him.

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  • From Martin Taylor@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 30 11:41:51 2021
    On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 17:29:44 UTC+1, Chris Evans (CJE/4D) wrote:
    In article <227eff32-eae0-4ba0...@googlegroups.com>,
    Martin Taylor <URL:mailto:mtaylo...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 15:50:47 UTC+1, Martin Taylor wrote:
    On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 15:45:23 UTC+1, Kevin Wells wrote:
    In message <f0dd7ef7-ce80-4c3f...@googlegroups.com>
    Martin Taylor <mtaylo...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi good people my RiscPC wont work with any keyboard i put on it PS2 (nothing no
    flash of led) or even an acorn keyboard (which when first pluged in it does flash the
    leds) but then nothing.... is this an easy fix ?? can it be fixed?

    the machine boots and the mouse and everything works great just no bloody keyboar
    d and help would be great

    Thank you
    Martin
    As a tempory solution you could use my virtual keyboard called vkeyboard
    from:

    http://kevsoft.co.uk/

    At least you will be able to type on the computer.

    --
    Kev Wells
    http://kevsoft.co.uk/ https://ko-fi.com/kevsoft
    carpe cervisium
    Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
    Thank you Kevin i downloaded it and its a good stop gap for now until i find out wha
    t the issue is


    Thank you
    Martin

    Yay!!!! i got it working i had a broken track which i thought i had repaired
    correctly after battery leak but just redone all the traces and its back up
    keyboard is working, thank you to everyone and Kevin i will be leaving your
    app on there and set to load on boot just in case i have this issue again once again thanks people .
    Glad it's sorted.

    Not heard of that fault before. I didn't think any keyboard tracks were anywhere near the battery! Can you explain where the track was?
    Board mk 1, 2 or 3?


    Chris Evans

    --

    ****** IGEPv5: The fastest RISC OS computer so far! *******
    ------------ http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/igepv5 ------------
    CJE Micro's 'Raspberry Pi & RISC OS Specialists'
    Tel: +44 (0)1903 523222
    ch...@cjemicros.co.uk http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/
    Unit 16 Arunside Ind. Est., Fort Road, Littlehampton, W.Sussex BN17 7QU

    Don't let the urgent things in life, crowd out the important things!
    hi Chris, its a mk 1 board, I have no idea where the keyboard tracks run if i am honest .... i reflowed the solder on the components around (c172 which i had to trace and solder to nearest point) seen they suffered the worse from the battery leak, i also
    reflowed the cmos chip and a couple others that was showing dry solder joint so maybe it was one of them that made it work...i am sorry i cannot be more clear on what it was that fixed it i am just happy it is fixed.....i was stuck on what to do and had
    nothing to loose even if it had broke the cmos i could have always replaced it i just want to try and get my trusted RiscPC back up and running.... it was a really odd one because the port had power just no keyboard would do anything but give a flicker
    of the leds when first turned on, I know by todays standards its outdated and i do have a Pi4 running riscos but i do love my RiscPC, i like all my acorns from the BBC and a420/1 , A3010, A4000 to the RiscPC, my children laugh when the hear the A420/1
    spin up the ST506 HDD. Sorry for ranting lol


    Thank You
    Martin

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  • From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to Steve Fryatt on Sat May 1 00:16:42 2021
    In article <mpro.qscg9h01x4m5x0362.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
    On 29 Apr, Tim Hill wrote in message
    <5924eeb422tim@invalid.org.uk>:

    CJE was 'bragging' at the show last weekend that he's obtained new cables with plugs on them for Acorn keyboards. A break in one of those cables could explain your problem.

    I thought it was mice they had cables for -- unlike keyboards, they're not standard because Acorn did (mostly) their own thing with the connections and plugs. That said, I didn't follow the talks in close detail, so might have missed the keyboard bit.

    Pretty certain this Acorn keyboard is standard PS2?, as it works straight
    into an older PC that has PS2 inputs. But a PS2 mouse needs an adaptor to
    work with the RPC.

    --
    *There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't.

    Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
    To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Sat May 1 10:48:19 2021
    In article <5925819b75dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <mpro.qscg9h01x4m5x0362.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>, Steve Fryatt
    <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
    On 29 Apr, Tim Hill wrote in message <5924eeb422tim@invalid.org.uk>:

    CJE was 'bragging' at the show last weekend that he's obtained new
    cables with plugs on them for Acorn keyboards. A break in one of
    those cables could explain your problem.

    I thought it was mice they had cables for -- unlike keyboards, they're
    not standard because Acorn did (mostly) their own thing with the connections and plugs. That said, I didn't follow the talks in close detail, so might have missed the keyboard bit.

    Pretty certain this Acorn keyboard is standard PS2?, as it works straight into an older PC that has PS2 inputs. But a PS2 mouse needs an adaptor to work with the RPC.

    I bought a 'standard' PS2 keyboad to use with my RPC. works perfectly.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Steve Fryatt@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 1 11:26:19 2021
    On 1 May, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
    <5925819b75dave@davenoise.co.uk>:

    In article <mpro.qscg9h01x4m5x0362.news@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
    Steve Fryatt <news@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:

    I thought it was mice they had cables for -- unlike keyboards, they're
    not standard because Acorn did (mostly) their own thing with the connections and plugs.

    Pretty certain this Acorn keyboard is standard PS2?,

    It is. That's what I wrote: RiscPC keyboards were standard PS2, whilst the
    mice were not.

    So CJE have mouse cables, as they use am uncommon 9-pin Mini-DIN connector. There's probably limited benefit in doing keyboards, because replacement
    cables and keyboards are still easy to come by (indeed, most USB keyboards
    will be PS2 if you don't answer their USB comms on boot-up, I think).

    --
    Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

    http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

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  • From Chris Evans (CJE/4D)@21:1/5 to Martin Taylor on Wed May 12 17:00:04 2021
    In article <5958d928-839b-48da-b60e-ca7fdc9870ban@googlegroups.com>,
    Martin Taylor <URL:mailto:mtaylor141273@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 17:29:44 UTC+1, Chris Evans (CJE/4D) wrote:
    In article <227eff32-eae0-4ba0...@googlegroups.com>,
    Martin Taylor <URL:mailto:mtaylo...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 15:50:47 UTC+1, Martin Taylor wrote:
    On Friday, 30 April 2021 at 15:45:23 UTC+1, Kevin Wells wrote:
    In message <f0dd7ef7-ce80-4c3f...@googlegroups.com>
    Martin Taylor <mtaylo...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Yay!!!! i got it working i had a broken track which i thought i had repaired
    correctly after battery leak but just redone all the traces and its back up
    keyboard is working, thank you to everyone and Kevin i will be leaving your
    app on there and set to load on boot just in case i have this issue again once again thanks people .
    Glad it's sorted.

    Not heard of that fault before. I didn't think any keyboard tracks were anywhere near the battery! Can you explain where the track was?
    Board mk 1, 2 or 3?

    hi Chris, its a mk 1 board, I have no idea where the keyboard tracks run if
    i am honest .... i reflowed the solder on the components around (c172 which
    i had to trace and solder to nearest point) seen they suffered the worse
    from the battery leak, i also reflowed the cmos chip and a couple others
    that was showing dry solder joint so maybe it was one of them that made it work...i am sorry i cannot be more clear on what it was that fixed it i am just happy it is fixed.....i was stuck on what to do and had nothing to
    loose even if it had broke the cmos i could have always replaced it i just want to try and get my trusted RiscPC back up and running.... it was a
    really odd one because the port had power just no keyboard would do anything but give a flicker of the leds when first turned on, I know by todays standards its outdated and i do have a Pi4 running riscos but i do love my RiscPC, i like all my acorns from the BBC and a420/1 , A3010, A4000 to the RiscPC, my children laugh when the hear the A420/1 spin up the ST506 HDD. Sorry for ranting lol

    Thanks for the info

    Chris Evans

    --

    ****** IGEPv5: The fastest RISC OS computer so far! *******
    ------------ http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/igepv5 ------------
    CJE Micro's 'Raspberry Pi & RISC OS Specialists'
    Tel: +44 (0)1903 523222
    chris@cjemicros.co.uk http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/
    Unit 16 Arunside Ind. Est., Fort Road, Littlehampton, W.Sussex BN17 7QU

    Don't let the urgent things in life, crowd out the important things!

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