• Sound suggestions

    From Brian Jordan@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 28 16:44:49 2020
    I'm interested in getting sound output from my RPi, ideally using some or
    all of the hardware sitting on my desk connected to my Dell Windows
    desktop. The PC sound system is a Dell unit containing a sub woofer, and
    there are two standalone speakers.
    Is somehow switching the sound source from one computer to the other
    feasible? Analagous to the way I use a switch to share the monitor,
    keyboard and mouse perhaps.
    Any thoughts appreciated. B

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  • From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to Brian Jordan on Tue Dec 29 10:59:15 2020
    In article <58e605e895brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
    Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
    I'm interested in getting sound output from my RPi, ideally using some or
    all of the hardware sitting on my desk connected to my Dell Windows
    desktop. The PC sound system is a Dell unit containing a sub woofer, and there are two standalone speakers.
    Is somehow switching the sound source from one computer to the other feasible? Analagous to the way I use a switch to share the monitor,
    keyboard and mouse perhaps.
    Any thoughts appreciated. B

    My KVM switch does audio too. But I've wired up the external sound system
    via two pots - one for the PC, one for the RPC, so both are live at all
    times (unless I turn down one of the pots). Allowing alarms from Organizer always to be heard.

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to Brian Jordan on Tue Dec 29 22:06:25 2020
    Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
    I'm interested in getting sound output from my RPi, ideally using some or
    all of the hardware sitting on my desk connected to my Dell Windows
    desktop. The PC sound system is a Dell unit containing a sub woofer, and there are two standalone speakers.
    Is somehow switching the sound source from one computer to the other feasible? Analagous to the way I use a switch to share the monitor,
    keyboard and mouse perhaps.

    How are you connecting the monitor?

    The analogue sound output on the Pi is ropey - the HDMI audio is better.
    Does that work on your monitor?

    If your monitor takes in HDMI, it may have an output that's able to drive
    your speaker system (although more common on TVs). Failing that there are gadgets that can split off HDMI audio.

    Or did you want both PC and Pi playing audio at the same time? If you don't have two speakers that suggests some kind of mixer.

    Theo

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  • From Tim Hill@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Tue Dec 29 21:44:23 2020
    In article <58e66a1b3ddave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <58e605e895brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
    <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
    I'm interested in getting sound output from my RPi, ideally using
    some or all of the hardware sitting on my desk connected to my Dell
    Windows desktop. The PC sound system is a Dell unit containing a sub woofer, and there are two standalone speakers. Is somehow switching
    the sound source from one computer to the other feasible? Analagous
    to the way I use a switch to share the monitor, keyboard and mouse
    perhaps. Any thoughts appreciated. B

    My KVM switch does audio too. But I've wired up the external sound
    system via two pots - one for the PC, one for the RPC, so both are live
    at all times (unless I turn down one of the pots). Allowing alarms from Organizer always to be heard.

    Likewise with the 'always on' option but my background dictates that I
    have to do this sort of thing properly. ;-) The fixed devices in the
    office go through a sixteen channel rack mixer and a 50W + 50W stereo
    amplifier into four speakers.

    In Brian's case, where he talks of a sound system already connected to
    his PC I would feed the Pi into an input on the sound card or motherboard
    and use the PC's own mixer. He'll need to explore and find which socket
    is an input; line-in is usually blue and on most motherboards. That's
    assuming it's always on and that Dell hasn't kiboshed any idea of having
    a line-in of course. Look in the PC's Control Panel > Sound > Recording
    and it will usually show vacant and occupied micro jack inputs.

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  • From Brian Jordan@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Wed Dec 30 09:33:19 2020
    In article <58e66a1b3ddave@davenoise.co.uk>,
    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <58e605e895brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
    Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
    I'm interested in getting sound output from my RPi, ideally using
    some or all of the hardware sitting on my desk connected to my Dell
    Windows desktop.

    [Snip]

    My KVM switch does audio too. But I've wired up the external sound
    system via two pots - one for the PC, one for the RPC, so both are live
    at all times (unless I turn down one of the pots). Allowing alarms from Organizer always to be heard.

    Thanks, I'll investigate this route. Funnily enough, it was trying to
    find a way to hear alarms that started me thinking about this.
    Thanks too to Tim and Theo for their comments.
    B

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    Brian Jordan
    RISC OS 5.28 on Raspberry Pi _____________________________________________________________________

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to brian.jordan9@btinternet.com on Tue Dec 29 10:12:33 2020
    In article <58e605e895brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
    I'm interested in getting sound output from my RPi, ideally using some
    or all of the hardware sitting on my desk connected to my Dell Windows desktop. The PC sound system is a Dell unit containing a sub woofer, and there are two standalone speakers. Is somehow switching the sound source
    from one computer to the other feasible? Analagous to the way I use a
    switch to share the monitor, keyboard and mouse perhaps. Any thoughts appreciated. B

    You don't make clear how you currently connect your "Dell unit" to feed it audio from your 'PC'. e.g. Is this an analogue or a digital link?

    In both cases, cheap switches are available from people like CPC/Farnell.

    If you're outputting digital (or USB) from both machines, then you can also easily get a USB DAC to accept a choice of inputs and feed analogue out.

    Jim

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Wed Dec 30 11:30:54 2020
    In article <58e6ef9f12dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <58e6e6132abrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
    <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
    In article <58e66a1b3ddave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News)
    <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <58e605e895brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
    <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
    I'm interested in getting sound output from my RPi, ideally using
    some or all of the hardware sitting on my desk connected to my Dell Windows desktop.

    [Snip]

    My KVM switch does audio too. But I've wired up the external sound
    system via two pots - one for the PC, one for the RPC, so both are
    live at all times (unless I turn down one of the pots). Allowing
    alarms from Organizer always to be heard.

    Thanks, I'll investigate this route. Funnily enough, it was trying to
    find a way to hear alarms that started me thinking about this. Thanks
    too to Tim and Theo for their comments.

    I made up a small box containing the two pots and fitted it in a
    convenient place. Set things so normal is about half way. Allowing easy lifting the level for quiet stuff - and much quicker than delving into software. My external sound system had plenty spare gain, so a passive
    unit did all that was required. Would add it is monitoring only - if I
    want a high quality signal for other uses I take it from the proper
    outputs for that.

    I'd say most computers still have an analogue output to drive headphones.
    Or rather all mine do.

    on my W10 laptop, the headphone audio is muted if an HDMI lead is connected.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to Brian Jordan on Wed Dec 30 11:17:35 2020
    In article <58e6e6132abrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
    Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
    In article <58e66a1b3ddave@davenoise.co.uk>,
    Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <58e605e895brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>,
    Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
    I'm interested in getting sound output from my RPi, ideally using
    some or all of the hardware sitting on my desk connected to my Dell Windows desktop.

    [Snip]

    My KVM switch does audio too. But I've wired up the external sound
    system via two pots - one for the PC, one for the RPC, so both are live
    at all times (unless I turn down one of the pots). Allowing alarms from Organizer always to be heard.

    Thanks, I'll investigate this route. Funnily enough, it was trying to
    find a way to hear alarms that started me thinking about this.
    Thanks too to Tim and Theo for their comments.

    I made up a small box containing the two pots and fitted it in a
    convenient place. Set things so normal is about half way. Allowing easy
    lifting the level for quiet stuff - and much quicker than delving into software. My external sound system had plenty spare gain, so a passive
    unit did all that was required. Would add it is monitoring only - if I
    want a high quality signal for other uses I take it from the proper
    outputs for that.

    I'd say most computers still have an analogue output to drive headphones.
    Or rather all mine do.

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    *I like cats, too. Let's exchange recipes.

    Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
    To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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  • From Brian Jordan@21:1/5 to Theo on Wed Dec 30 12:30:40 2020
    In article <Xjr*yOU+x@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>,
    Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

    [Snip]

    If your monitor takes in HDMI, it may have an output that's able to
    drive your speaker system (although more common on TVs). Failing that
    there are gadgets that can split off HDMI audio.

    Yes HDMI input from the Pi but I don't think there is any audo output,
    I'll take a look though... Oh, there is, and a solution to my problem
    begins to show itself, thanks.

    Doesn't it get dusty around there!

    [Snip]
    B

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    Brian Jordan
    RISC OS 5.28 on Raspberry Pi _____________________________________________________________________

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  • From Alan Calder BT@21:1/5 to charles@candehope.me.uk on Wed Dec 30 12:23:13 2020
    In article <58e6f0d625charles@candehope.me.uk>, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    on my W10 laptop, the headphone audio is muted if an HDMI lead is
    connected.

    Just discovered that to be the case on my partner's laptop when trying to
    use an external monitor, HDMI being the only monitor output available and
    the monitor not having internal speakers.

    Any ideas gratefully received!

    Alan

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Alan Calder BT on Wed Dec 30 13:34:56 2020
    In article <58e6f5a177alancalder.8@btinternet.com>,
    Alan Calder BT <alancalder.8@btinternet.com> wrote:
    In article <58e6f0d625charles@candehope.me.uk>, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    on my W10 laptop, the headphone audio is muted if an HDMI lead is connected.

    Just discovered that to be the case on my partner's laptop when trying to
    use an external monitor, HDMI being the only monitor output available and
    the monitor not having internal speakers.

    Any ideas gratefully received!

    From eBay. a little unit HDMI in : HDMI and (in my case) optical sound out.
    You can get them with 3.5mm jack out instead.

    Alan

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    from KT24 in Surrey, England
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  • From Alan Calder BT@21:1/5 to charles on Wed Dec 30 14:33:03 2020
    In article <58e6fc322bcharles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    In article <58e6f5a177alancalder.8@btinternet.com>,
    Alan Calder BT <alancalder.8@btinternet.com> wrote:
    In article <58e6f0d625charles@candehope.me.uk>, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    on my W10 laptop, the headphone audio is muted if an HDMI lead is connected.

    Just discovered that to be the case on my partner's laptop when trying to use an external monitor, HDMI being the only monitor output available and the monitor not having internal speakers.

    Any ideas gratefully received!

    From eBay. a little unit HDMI in : HDMI and (in my case) optical sound out. You can get them with 3.5mm jack out instead.

    Thanks! I'll have search.

    Alan

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  • From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to charles on Wed Dec 30 15:46:55 2020
    In article <58e6f0d625charles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    on my W10 laptop, the headphone audio is muted if an HDMI lead is
    connected.

    On mine this happens too. But you can reselect the headphone output if
    needed, while leaving the HDMI video. Discovered all this playing around
    with Zoom meetings.

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    Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
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  • From Stuart@21:1/5 to charles on Wed Dec 30 16:52:07 2020
    In article <58e6f0d625charles@candehope.me.uk>,
    charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    on my W10 laptop, the headphone audio is muted if an HDMI lead is
    connected.

    On my W7 desktop there are options to set the default sound output. I was recently trying to figure out why I had no sound when watching iplayer and
    it turned out default sound output was not set to HDMI.

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  • From Tim Hill@21:1/5 to dave@davenoise.co.uk on Wed Dec 30 16:55:00 2020
    In article <58e7084781dave@davenoise.co.uk>, Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <58e6f0d625charles@candehope.me.uk>, charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
    on my W10 laptop, the headphone audio is muted if an HDMI lead is connected.

    On mine this happens too. But you can reselect the headphone output if needed, while leaving the HDMI video. Discovered all this playing
    around with Zoom meetings.

    Oh, the sweet irony that my Pi3 is driving an HDMI monitor while
    providing analogue sound so I judge it better than a W10 laptop, then!
    ;-D

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