• Updating a Lenovo T400S

    From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 29 01:27:43 2021
    I've been given a Lenovo T400S in very nice condition. It's running
    Windows 7 service pack 1 now. 4 GB RAM, "core duo" cpu.

    Both the machine and its OS are officially EOL'd, are there any unofficial/unsupported upgrades possible to any later version
    of Windows?

    Thanks for reading,

    bob prohaska

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 29 08:57:52 2021
    Am Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2021, um 01:27:43 Uhr schrieb bob prohaska:

    I've been given a Lenovo T400S in very nice condition. It's running
    Windows 7 service pack 1 now. 4 GB RAM, "core duo" cpu.

    Both the machine and its OS are officially EOL'd, are there any unofficial/unsupported upgrades possible to any later version
    of Windows?

    It should be capable of running Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 64 bit.
    I read it contains a Core 2 Duo and not a Core Duo (the Core Duo does
    not support Intel EM64T, Core 2 does).

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Wed Dec 29 20:48:15 2021
    Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
    Am Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2021, um 01:27:43 Uhr schrieb bob prohaska:

    I've been given a Lenovo T400S in very nice condition. It's running
    Windows 7 service pack 1 now. 4 GB RAM, "core duo" cpu.

    Both the machine and its OS are officially EOL'd, are there any
    unofficial/unsupported upgrades possible to any later version
    of Windows?

    It should be capable of running Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 64 bit.
    I read it contains a Core 2 Duo and not a Core Duo (the Core Duo does
    not support Intel EM64T, Core 2 does).
    Yes, it's core 2 duo.

    While downloading a Win10 installer ISO it was suggested to use 32 bit.
    Any thoughts on relative merits of 32 vs 64 bit systems? My only
    experience has been with Raspberry P, the 64 bit systems seem to
    put larger demands on memory with no obvious benefit. I realize the
    world is going 64 bit, but with only 4 GB of RAM is it a good idea?

    The installer USB drive looks set to go, are there any traps to
    look out for? The only product key I have is for the OEM license
    stuck inside the battery compartment, along with the product ID #
    from the control panel. I'm wondering if it'll check the keys before overwriting the old system.

    Thanks for replying!

    bob prohaska

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 29 22:35:56 2021
    Am Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2021, um 20:48:15 Uhr schrieb bob prohaska:

    While downloading a Win10 installer ISO it was suggested to use 32
    bit. Any thoughts on relative merits of 32 vs 64 bit systems? My only experience has been with Raspberry P, the 64 bit systems seem to
    put larger demands on memory with no obvious benefit. I realize the
    world is going 64 bit, but with only 4 GB of RAM is it a good idea?

    4 GiB is enough for Win 10 64 bit, but don't expect that you can use
    that laptop for virtualization or other memory-consuming stuff.

    The installer USB drive looks set to go, are there any traps to
    look out for? The only product key I have is for the OEM license
    stuck inside the battery compartment, along with the product ID #
    from the control panel. I'm wondering if it'll check the keys before overwriting the old system.

    If it is a Win 7 OEM key you can activate Windows 10 with it, just make
    sure the edition fits. Win 7 Prof --> Win 10 Pro, other Win 7 editions
    Win 10 Home

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Thu Dec 30 00:25:22 2021
    Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
    Am Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2021, um 20:48:15 Uhr schrieb bob prohaska:

    world is going 64 bit, but with only 4 GB of RAM is it a good idea?

    4 GiB is enough for Win 10 64 bit, but don't expect that you can use
    that laptop for virtualization or other memory-consuming stuff.

    from the control panel. I'm wondering if it'll check the keys before
    overwriting the old system.

    If it is a Win 7 OEM key you can activate Windows 10 with it, just make
    sure the edition fits. Win 7 Prof --> Win 10 Pro, other Win 7 editions
    Win 10 Home

    It's a Win7 Pro key and Win10 Pro download. I will stick with 32
    bit for now.

    Thanks for all your help!

    bob prohaska

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Fri Dec 31 19:12:57 2021
    bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    Marco Moock <mo01@posteo.de> wrote:
    Am Mittwoch, 29. Dezember 2021, um 20:48:15 Uhr schrieb bob prohaska:

    world is going 64 bit, but with only 4 GB of RAM is it a good idea?

    4 GiB is enough for Win 10 64 bit, but don't expect that you can use
    that laptop for virtualization or other memory-consuming stuff.

    from the control panel. I'm wondering if it'll check the keys before
    overwriting the old system.

    If it is a Win 7 OEM key you can activate Windows 10 with it, just make
    sure the edition fits. Win 7 Prof --> Win 10 Pro, other Win 7 editions
    Win 10 Home

    It's a Win7 Pro key and Win10 Pro download. I will stick with 32
    bit for now.

    The upgrade worked on the third try. It seems quite lethargic, but
    it's using only about half the RAM and about 10% CPU when idling.
    The disk is an SSD, so I doubt it's the bottleneck.

    If there are any obvious things to tweak it'd be good to know. I'm
    a novice to recent Windows versions. It seems to do things without
    being asked, for example open new windows to show off features. At
    this stage it's confusing.

    Thanks for your help!

    bob prohaska

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 31 22:57:27 2021
    Am Freitag, 31. Dezember 2021, um 19:12:57 Uhr schrieb bob prohaska:

    If there are any obvious things to tweak it'd be good to know. I'm
    a novice to recent Windows versions. It seems to do things without
    being asked, for example open new windows to show off features. At
    this stage it's confusing.

    Win 10 has a lot of bloat with the included apps. Uninstall them if you
    don't need them. If you don't need apps at all, have a look at Win 10
    LTSC.

    If you want less disk usage (not consuming real
    space), disable the shadow copies.

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  • From rtr@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Tue Jan 25 08:32:42 2022
    On 2021-12-29, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:

    [...]

    While downloading a Win10 installer ISO it was suggested to use 32 bit.
    Any thoughts on relative merits of 32 vs 64 bit systems? My only
    experience has been with Raspberry P, the 64 bit systems seem to
    put larger demands on memory with no obvious benefit. I realize the
    world is going 64 bit, but with only 4 GB of RAM is it a good idea?

    Running 64-bit on a Thinkpad T400 is alright. But if you're running a
    64-bit machine on it you might as well upgrade the memory to 8GB.

    32-bit is a legacy architecture nowadays. You should really move to
    64-bit if the computer can support it.


    The installer USB drive looks set to go, are there any traps to
    look out for? The only product key I have is for the OEM license
    stuck inside the battery compartment, along with the product ID #
    from the control panel. I'm wondering if it'll check the keys before overwriting the old system.

    You can pirate it you know.


    Thanks for replying!

    bob prohaska


    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to rtr on Tue Jan 25 18:56:14 2022
    rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    On 2021-12-29, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:

    [...]

    While downloading a Win10 installer ISO it was suggested to use 32 bit.
    Any thoughts on relative merits of 32 vs 64 bit systems? My only
    experience has been with Raspberry P, the 64 bit systems seem to
    put larger demands on memory with no obvious benefit. I realize the
    world is going 64 bit, but with only 4 GB of RAM is it a good idea?

    Running 64-bit on a Thinkpad T400 is alright. But if you're running a
    64-bit machine on it you might as well upgrade the memory to 8GB.

    AIUI the BIOS only supports 4 GB as-is. Seems best to leave well enough
    alone for the little use it'll get. So far the machine has worked fine,
    but it's taken a lot of housecleaning to remove unwanted "features".

    32-bit is a legacy architecture nowadays. You should really move to
    64-bit if the computer can support it.

    I agree that's the trend, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea. 64
    bit makes sense for supercomputers and servers (maybe) but laptops?

    bob prohaska

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 25 20:30:54 2022
    Am Dienstag, 25. Januar 2022, um 18:56:14 Uhr schrieb bob prohaska:

    I agree that's the trend, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea. 64
    bit makes sense for supercomputers and servers (maybe) but laptops?


    It makes sense if you like to address more RAM.
    Also, i386/i686 will be abandoned in future. Win 11 doesn't support it,
    most Linux distributions dropped support for it.

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  • From rtr@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Wed Jan 26 03:08:29 2022
    On 2022-01-25, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    On 2021-12-29, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:

    [...]

    While downloading a Win10 installer ISO it was suggested to use 32 bit.
    Any thoughts on relative merits of 32 vs 64 bit systems? My only
    experience has been with Raspberry P, the 64 bit systems seem to
    put larger demands on memory with no obvious benefit. I realize the
    world is going 64 bit, but with only 4 GB of RAM is it a good idea?

    Running 64-bit on a Thinkpad T400 is alright. But if you're running a
    64-bit machine on it you might as well upgrade the memory to 8GB.

    AIUI the BIOS only supports 4 GB as-is. Seems best to leave well enough
    alone for the little use it'll get. So far the machine has worked fine,
    but it's taken a lot of housecleaning to remove unwanted "features".


    Are you sure about that? I believe all T400 models can be upgraded to
    8GB. I am typing this on a T400 and I've upgraded mine to 8GB.

    32-bit is a legacy architecture nowadays. You should really move to
    64-bit if the computer can support it.

    I agree that's the trend, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea. 64
    bit makes sense for supercomputers and servers (maybe) but laptops?


    It's a good idea. Unless you want to maintain an old OS on that computer
    you will need to upgrade to 64-bit. I don't think even OpenBSD actively maintains a 32-bit version anymore.

    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
    --
    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz

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  • From bob prohaska@21:1/5 to rtr on Wed Jan 26 03:37:43 2022
    rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    On 2022-01-25, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    On 2021-12-29, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:

    [...]

    While downloading a Win10 installer ISO it was suggested to use 32 bit. >>>> Any thoughts on relative merits of 32 vs 64 bit systems? My only
    experience has been with Raspberry P, the 64 bit systems seem to
    put larger demands on memory with no obvious benefit. I realize the
    world is going 64 bit, but with only 4 GB of RAM is it a good idea?

    Running 64-bit on a Thinkpad T400 is alright. But if you're running a
    64-bit machine on it you might as well upgrade the memory to 8GB.

    AIUI the BIOS only supports 4 GB as-is. Seems best to leave well enough
    alone for the little use it'll get. So far the machine has worked fine,
    but it's taken a lot of housecleaning to remove unwanted "features".


    Are you sure about that? I believe all T400 models can be upgraded to
    8GB. I am typing this on a T400 and I've upgraded mine to 8GB.


    I'm not sure, merely read it somewhere on the Internet 8-)

    32-bit is a legacy architecture nowadays. You should really move to
    64-bit if the computer can support it.

    I agree that's the trend, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea. 64
    bit makes sense for supercomputers and servers (maybe) but laptops?


    It's a good idea. Unless you want to maintain an old OS on that computer
    you will need to upgrade to 64-bit. I don't think even OpenBSD actively maintains a 32-bit version anymore.


    The only reason I got the Lenovo was to run a Windows-only firmware
    updater. It's also useful as a sanity check for some hardware, USB
    devices for example, so mine is a fairly obscure use case.

    bob prohaska

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  • From rtr@21:1/5 to bob prohaska on Wed Jan 26 03:42:08 2022
    On 2022-01-26, bob prohaska <bp@www.zefox.net> wrote:
    rtr <rtr@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Are you sure about that? I believe all T400 models can be upgraded to
    8GB. I am typing this on a T400 and I've upgraded mine to 8GB.


    I'm not sure, merely read it somewhere on the Internet 8-)


    It's a good idea. Unless you want to maintain an old OS on that computer
    you will need to upgrade to 64-bit. I don't think even OpenBSD actively
    maintains a 32-bit version anymore.


    The only reason I got the Lenovo was to run a Windows-only firmware
    updater. It's also useful as a sanity check for some hardware, USB
    devices for example, so mine is a fairly obscure use case.

    bob prohaska


    You do have a very particular use-case. If the current setup works for
    you then that would be job done. :-)

    --
    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.
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    gemini://rtr.kalayaan.xyz

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