On 8/21/2016 6:53 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-08-21 21:09, Danny D. wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 19:57:50 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
Not odd at all, the driver is still good for W7.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand at all what you're trying to tell me.
Your W7 machine has a driver for that obsolete printer. But there is no
driver that works with W10.
[snip irrelevancies]
To quote from my other post:
The printer is discontinued. That means that HP is no longer updating
the driver.
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF10a/18972-18972-3328059-14638-3328069-25469.html
HTH
The problem is that HP has a history of building hardware that is much
more durable than HP's support of that hardware. I have a similar
problem with a Canon CanoScan N670U scanner. When my Windows XP PC
died, I got a Windows 7 PC. There are no Windows 7 drivers for the
scanner, so I moved it to my wife's Windows XP PC. If her PC dies, I
will have a perfectly good scanner that does not work with any PC.
The problem is that HP has a history of building hardware that is much
more durable than HP's support of that hardware. I have a similar
problem with a Canon CanoScan N670U scanner. When my Windows XP PC
died, I got a Windows 7 PC. There are no Windows 7 drivers for the
scanner, so I moved it to my wife's Windows XP PC. If her PC dies, I
will have a perfectly good scanner that does not work with any PC.
Laserjet 2100 PCL6
Laserjet 2100 Series PCL5
Laserjet 2100 Series PS
Exit the printer installer and the printer list reverts to just the
drivers that come with W10 and you will need to do the "update" all over again for the full list.
So it sounds like it's time to give it another try.
Your W7 machine has a driver for that obsolete printer.
But there is no driver that works with W10.
The printer is discontinued.
That means that HP is no longer updating the driver. http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF10a/18972-18972-3328059-14638-3328069-25469.html
Laserjet 2100 PCL6
Laserjet 2100 Series PCL5
Laserjet 2100 Series PS
Exit the printer installer and the printer list reverts to just the
drivers that come with W10 and you will need to do the "update" all over again for the full list.
So it sounds like it's time to give it another try.
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 19:36:14 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
I understand your words. I really do.The printer is discontinued. That means that HP is no longer updating
the driver.
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF10a/18972-18972-3328059-14638-3328069-25469.html
But I can't "believe" them.
1. I do believe the printer is discontinued.
2. Lots and lots and lots (thousands!) of printers are discontinued.
3. They just don't make them anymore.
F. Then I select "HP Printer Administrator Resource Kit" to get this zip: http://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software13/COL40860/ds-99433-17/park-v1.8.0.zip
So, my fundamental question is:
Q: Isn't in *that* 22MB PARK download the Win10 64-bit driver?
Then I told it to do a Windows Update and after a very long wait
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 20:37:10 -0500, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Then I told it to do a Windows Update and after a very long wait
Wow. A very long wait is a very long time.
I'm still waiting ... half an hour so far ... but I'll keep waiting.
Current wait time is about 8 hours.
There is a temporary patch for that but I forgot the KB#.
The printer is discontinued.
That means that HP is no longer updating
the driver.
There may be a
driver out there that works, see Glowing Blue Mists's post, but his
advice essentially is "Try these, one of them may work."
http://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software13/COL40860/ds-99433-17/park-v1.8.0.zip
So, my fundamental question is:
Q: Isn't in *that* 22MB PARK download the Win10 64-bit driver?
PARK == Printer Administrator Resource Kit. I actually d/l it and poked around inside it. No driver.
It's a set of tools to configure the HP
Universal Print Driver to work with what you've got. You start by
"acquiring" a driver, in your case it would be the one that came with
the printer. But that one won't work with W10, apparently, so you'll
have to configure it....
Bottom line: there is no W10 driver for your model printer, but Hp has
kindly provided a kit fro you to roll your own.
You could try the W7 driver on the W10 machine. D/L and install it. If
it works, fine, although it will likely not be able to access all the printer's features. If not, use the W7 machine as a print server. Takes
about 5 minutes to set up.
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 21:52:41 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
Current wait time is about 8 hours.
There is a temporary patch for that but I forgot the KB#.
Thanks. It finally worked!
Woo hoo!
- You've successfully added HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL5
[Print a test page]
Woo hoo! I knew you guys wouldn't let me down!
- Windows Printer Test Page
- You have correctly installed your HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL5 on NAME
- (lots of stuff)
- Print Processor = hpzpplhn
- OS Environment = Windows x64
- Driver Name = HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5
- Driver Type = Type 3 - User Mode
- Driver Version = 6.1.7233.0
Thank you all for your expert help!!!!!!!!
You guys ARE the Usenet!
Canon CanoScan N670U scanner. When my Windows XP PC
died, I got a Windows 7 PC. There are no Windows 7 drivers for the
scanner,
........... [ al lavoro ] ...........http://www.bb2002.it :) <<<<<
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 21:53:45 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
Your W7 machine has a driver for that obsolete printer.
But there is no driver that works with W10.
That stinks.
I guess I must infer that the Windows 7 driver won't work with Windows 10.
Is that a correct inference?
The printer is discontinued.
That means that HP is no longer updating the driver.
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF10a/18972-18972-3328059-14638-3328069-25469.html
I understood the words but in my all (many) years, I personally have never run into a situation where a common printer didn't have a driver on a
common operating system.
If the driver no longer exists, why does HP offer that huge PARK download when you follow the prompts for the driver. http://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software13/COL40860/ds-99433-17/park-v1.8.0.zip
What is that PARK download then?
The only thing still confusing me is*who* made the driver that eventually worked, from the temporary "Windows Update" from within the printer installation dialog.[...]
I understood the words but in my all (many) years, I personally have never >> run into a situation where a common printer didn't have a driver on a
common operating system.
Sheer luck, I'd say. It's a common experience.
If the driver no longer exists, why does HP offer that huge PARK download
when you follow the prompts for the driver.
http://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib/software13/COL40860/ds-99433-17/park-v1.8.0.zip
What is that PARK download then?
Read my other post.
Re: GlowingBlueMist's list, unless you have all the printer specs on
hand, you can't know which one may work. So just try them.
I used safely the old XP drivers in W7 (32bit); sorry I can't remember the model
On 8/21/2016 6:53 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2016-08-21 21:09, Danny D. wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 19:57:50 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
Not odd at all, the driver is still good for W7.
I'm sorry, but I don't understand at all what you're trying to tell me.
Your W7 machine has a driver for that obsolete printer. But there is no driver that works with W10.
[snip irrelevancies]
To quote from my other post:
The printer is discontinued. That means that HP is no longer updating
the driver.
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF10a/18972-18972-3328059-14638-3328069-25469.html
HTH
The problem is that HP has a history of building hardware that is much
more durable than HP's support of that hardware. I have a similar
problem with a Canon CanoScan N670U scanner. When my Windows XP PC
died, I got a Windows 7 PC. There are no Windows 7 drivers for the
scanner, so I moved it to my wife's Windows XP PC. If her PC dies, I
will have a perfectly good scanner that does not work with any PC.
In the beginning, as you know, the driver came with the printer - and then >Windows started *finding* the drivers for us - and then Windows started >*including* the drivers.
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 08:23:21 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
Hewlett Packard. OS makers are not responsible for drivers.
That makes sense.
But then why didn't HP have the driver on their web site?
And, why didn't Windows just *find* the driver in the first place?
OS makers are not responsible for drivers.
Wolf K wrote:[...]
Categorically*wrong*. What good is an OS that you
OS makers are not responsible for drivers.
cannot install ?
Where on earth is the HP laserjet 2100m (model c4172a) printer driver for 64bit Windows 10?
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 07:34:00 +0000 (UTC), Ammammata wrote:
I used safely the old XP drivers in W7 (32bit); sorry I can't remember the >> model
Thanks for trying to help out.
I'm glad the printer ng is crossposted because, for the life of me, I can't imagine that we need a thousand *different* printer drivers.
I just can't imagine that printers are *that* different, model to model.
So, sheer logic tells me that probably a huge number (half? three
quarters?) are really just duplicates of a more generic printer driver.
There can't be thousands of different printer drivers.
Printers aren't all that different.
Where on earth is the HP laserjet 2100m (model c4172a) printer driver for >64bit Windows 10?The following drivers are available on Win10 64 bit
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:11:51 -0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:It isn't an OS problem, it is a printer driver problem.
Where on earth is the HP laserjet 2100m (model c4172a) printer driver for
64bit Windows 10?
Why can't you ask this in alt.comp.os.windows-10?
--
s|b
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 20:37:10 -0500, GlowingBlueMist wrote:Just saw this. I don't use PCL6 because of some problems it used to have (years ago and I can't remember). Try PCL5, I doubt you will need PostScript.
Laserjet 2100 PCL6
Laserjet 2100 Series PCL5
Laserjet 2100 Series PS
Exit the printer installer and the printer list reverts to just the
drivers that come with W10 and you will need to do the "update" all over
again for the full list.
So it sounds like it's time to give it another try.
That sounds like a great idea!
Thank you for testing that out.
I will try that.
Which do people think I should use?
a. PCL6
b. PCL5
c. PS
I'm guessing pcl stands for printer-control-language and I know that PS is >postscript. It doesn't matter to me which I choose.
Does it matter?
"s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:11:51 -0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:
Where on earth is the HP laserjet 2100m (model c4172a) printer driver for >>> 64bit Windows 10?
Why can't you ask this in alt.comp.os.windows-10?
It isn't an OS problem, it is a printer driver problem.
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 08:23:21 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
Hewlett Packard. OS makers are not responsible for drivers.
That makes sense.
But then why didn't HP have the driver on their web site?
And, why didn't Windows just *find* the driver in the first place?
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 21:52:41 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
Current wait time is about 8 hours.
There is a temporary patch for that but I forgot the KB#.
Thanks. It finally worked!
Woo hoo!
- You've successfully added HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL5
[Print a test page]
Woo hoo! I knew you guys wouldn't let me down!
- Windows Printer Test Page
- You have correctly installed your HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL5 on NAME
- (lots of stuff)
- Print Processor = hpzpplhn
- OS Environment = Windows x64
- Driver Name = HP LaserJet 2100 Series PCL 5
- Driver Type = Type 3 - User Mode
- Driver Version = 6.1.7233.0
Thank you all for your expert help!!!!!!!!
You guys ARE the Usenet!
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:30:34 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
"s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:11:51 -0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:
Where on earth is the HP laserjet 2100m (model c4172a) printer driver for >>>> 64bit Windows 10?
Why can't you ask this in alt.comp.os.windows-10?
It isn't an OS problem, it is a printer driver problem.
Who are you trying to fool?I never try to fool people. Printer drivers for specific printers are and have for decades been provided by the printer manufacturer. I you think about it you must come to that realisation - how the hell could any OS provider know how to interface with hundreds of different printers?
It is a printer driver problem for a specific OS.
Not a problem in Windows 7.
--
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FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:30:34 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
"s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:11:51 -0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:
Where on earth is the HP laserjet 2100m (model c4172a) printer driver for >>>>> 64bit Windows 10?
Why can't you ask this in alt.comp.os.windows-10?
It isn't an OS problem, it is a printer driver problem.
Who are you trying to fool?
It is a printer driver problem for a specific OS.
Not a problem in Windows 7.
I never try to fool people. Printer drivers for specific printers are and have >for decades been provided by the printer manufacturer. I you think about it you
must come to that realisation - how the hell could any OS provider know how to >interface with hundreds of different printers?
Tony
A driver is for a combination of a particular printer and a particular version of Windows. For a Windows version that comes out after the
printer did, the printer can not come with a driver for it.
If you mean "Why isn't there more standardisation among printer
drivers?", I agree, with your sentiment.
Each printer model has tweaks
and quirks, and so the generic drivers have to be tweaked and quirked,
too. If printers were smarter, the only software you'd have to install
would be the printer control panel.
The OS would send your instructions
along with the file to be printed, and the printer would do the rest.
However, there's a lot of "intellectual property" involved, which tends
to get in the way of sensible co-operation on basic standards.
Just saw this. I don't use PCL6 because of some problems it used to have (years
ago and I can't remember). Try PCL5, I doubt you will need PostScript.
Tony
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:29:43 -0500, Tony wrote:
Just saw this. I don't use PCL6 because of some problems it used to have (years
ago and I can't remember). Try PCL5, I doubt you will need PostScript.
Tony
Thanks. The PCL5 driver worked.
Why do they even have the other drivers?
What's the *practical* difference?
The following drivers are available on Win10 64 bit
CL5, PCL6 and PS for the LJ2100.
Microsoft are not and never have been responsible for manufacturer specific printer drivers.
Go to add new printer
Click the printer I want isn't listed
Click add a local printer or network printer with manual settings
Select use existing or create new port as required
Click on Windows Update and wait (it will take a few minutes0.
Look under HP and voila!
The above is from memory so the words may be different.
Tony
I'm sorry, I should have been more explicit. Yes, my comment is "categorically wrong" as applied to all drivers, but it does apply to
printer drivers. Drivers for printers and other peripherals are the responsibility of the manufacturers, who of course want their drivers
easily accessible/usable. They supply current drivers to the OS makers,
but the most common advice re: a driver problem is "get it from the peripheral maker".
The context of this thread is a driver for an
obsolete printer.
I don't think MS is responsible for supplying that,
and it's a marketing decision for HP whether to update it or not. OP's
report of success implies that it was updated, but it wasn't in W10 collection of current drivers.
Re: your comments on drivers needed for minimal functionality, I quite
agree, but they weren't the ones I had in mind, as they are outside the context of this thread.
And as always, Linux is whole 'nother universe. :-)
That makes sense.Because that wont sell any new printers.
But then why didn't HP have the driver on their web site?
And, why didn't Windows just *find* the driver in the first place?
Categorically *wrong*. What good is an OS that you
cannot install ?
Sufficient drivers are on the OS installer disc,
to produce a minimally operational computer.
Between
the hardware makers and the OS makers, they contrive
to stick with standards where possible.
But nothing
prevents a hardware maker from doing their own thing,
and being left behind.
1) AHCI or IDE or RAID driver.
(MSAHCI, MSIDE, IASTORV, STORPORT, etc)
Prevents "Inaccessible Boot Volume".
2) VESA video driver (a.k.a Microsoft Basic Display Adapter).
Those are examples of minimums for the usage of humans.
Having a NIC driver is nice, and due to the small size
of NDIS drivers, they can pour a ton of those on the
disc as well.
If you have a working NIC, you can then
download optional drivers.
Standard "Class" drivers are also included. By licensing,
Microsoft removed the right of manufacturers to include
things like USB2 or USB3 drivers. Those drivers are now
on the installer disc.
An HP printer is a third-party device, separate from
the computer, and optional in every sense of the word.
Obtaining a driver, can happen at your leisure. Because
now, you've bootstrapped yourself far enough to surf
the web.
The worst part of all drivers, is the state of documentation.
And not knowing what is available (Microsoft Universal
Printer Driver), or where to get it.
Or in the case of
dot-matrix printer support, finding out that there
are actually a form of Class drivers right in the OS
for those too (Epson or IBM mode, with names that
make no sense). Only a rocket scientist gets their
ten year old dot-matrix running again. The support is
there, but it's almost impossible to figure out.
I missed the early part of this thread, so I don't know what printer
you are talking about. But writing a driver for a new version of
Windows takes time and money. HP, like all manufacturers, does so only
if the printer is not very old and they are still selling it in
sufficient quantities. It does not pay for them to invest the time and
money to write drivers for products that are obsolescent.
Additional instructions in PCL6. Because printers do more and more.
On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 09:16:12 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
Additional instructions in PCL6. Because printers do more and more.
Maybe I'm back in the stone ages, but, for me, a printer does two things:
a. Prints images and text
b. To paper
What *else* do I need a printer to do?
(NOTE: OK. It scans also.)
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:05:35 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:[...]
I understand what you said, but I also disagree, from a practicalI missed the early part of this thread, so I don't know what printer
you are talking about. But writing a driver for a new version of
Windows takes time and money. HP, like all manufacturers, does so only
if the printer is not very old and they are still selling it in
sufficient quantities. It does not pay for them to invest the time and
money to write drivers for products that are obsolescent.
standpoint.
Sure, it takes time to write a driver - but how much time?
On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 09:16:12 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
Additional instructions in PCL6. Because printers do more and more.
Maybe I'm back in the stone ages, but, for me, a printer does two things:
a. Prints images and text
b. To paper
What *else* do I need a printer to do?
(NOTE: OK. It scans also.)
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:05:35 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
I missed the early part of this thread, so I don't know what printer
you are talking about. But writing a driver for a new version of
Windows takes time and money. HP, like all manufacturers, does so only
if the printer is not very old and they are still selling it in
sufficient quantities. It does not pay for them to invest the time and
money to write drivers for products that are obsolescent.
I understand what you said, but I also disagree, from a practical
standpoint.
On 22.08.16 18:40, Danny D. wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 08:23:21 -0400, Wolf K wrote:Because that wont sell any new printers.
Hewlett Packard. OS makers are not responsible for drivers.
That makes sense.
But then why didn't HP have the driver on their web site?
And, why didn't Windows just *find* the driver in the first place?
Because that wont sell any new printers.
Yes, an important point, and one that I should have mentioned in the
message I posted.
You have obviously never done any coding.
Have a good life,
On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 08:46:19 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
A printer does *not* scan. A device that both prints and scan is
usually called an all-in-one printer or a multifunction printer, but
as far as I'm concerned, it shouldn't be called a "printer" at all;
that's like calling a steak and lobster dinner a steak dinner.
And further, as far as I'm concerned, those multifunction devices
should be avoided. If either one fails, you lose both and have to
replace devices; I'd much rather have separate devices so I only have
to replace one if it fails.
This is a good point that the multifunction devices are actually three >devices in one:
1. Printer
2. Scanner
3. Faxer
On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 08:49:14 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
I understand what you said, but I also disagree, from a practical >>>standpoint.
Do you disagree with my saying why they do what they do, or do you
disagree with whether they *should* do what they do?
Assuming the latter, I agree with you.
We are in agreement.
What "is" isn't the same as what "should be".
However, what "is" isn't even what we think what is.
For example, I used to sell software which we had three versions of, which, >for simplicity, I'll call the (a) base model, (b) the select model, and (c) >the deluxe model.
We would guarantee 10% performance improvement in the select model over the >base model. And we'd guarantee 20% improvement in the deluxe model over the >select model.
Guess what?
Ever heard of a "no op" (NOP)?
Yup. All we did was insert as many NOPs as we needed to slow down the
deluxe model so that it was the state model and we inserted a few more nops >in the select model to get to the base model (which sold at half the cost).
On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 08:50:18 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
Because that wont sell any new printers.
Yes, an important point, and one that I should have mentioned in the
message I posted.
I must agree.
HP is a highly marketing driven company.
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 22:42:42 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:30:34 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
"s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:11:51 -0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:
Where on earth is the HP laserjet 2100m (model c4172a) printer driver >>>>>>for
64bit Windows 10?
Why can't you ask this in alt.comp.os.windows-10?
It isn't an OS problem, it is a printer driver problem.
Who are you trying to fool?
It is a printer driver problem for a specific OS.
Not a problem in Windows 7.
I never try to fool people. Printer drivers for specific printers are and >>have
for decades been provided by the printer manufacturer. I you think about it >>you
must come to that realisation - how the hell could any OS provider know how >>to
interface with hundreds of different printers?
Tony
And what has you rant to do with Windows 7 ?I never wrote about Windows 7, you did when you incorrectly accused me of trying to fool someone and incorrectly assumed that Microsoft wrote printer specific drivers. I am not the fool here!!!
READ the original question.
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Fred W. (NLD)
FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 22:42:42 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:30:34 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>dot nz> wrote:
"s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:11:51 -0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:
Where on earth is the HP laserjet 2100m (model c4172a) printer driver >>>>>>>for
64bit Windows 10?
Why can't you ask this in alt.comp.os.windows-10?
It isn't an OS problem, it is a printer driver problem.
Who are you trying to fool?
It is a printer driver problem for a specific OS.
Not a problem in Windows 7.
I never try to fool people. Printer drivers for specific printers are and >>>have
for decades been provided by the printer manufacturer. I you think about it >>>you
must come to that realisation - how the hell could any OS provider know how >>>to
interface with hundreds of different printers?
Tony
And what has you rant to do with Windows 7 ?
READ the original question.
I never wrote about Windows 7, you did when you incorrectly accused me of >trying to fool someone and incorrectly assumed that Microsoft wrote printer >specific drivers. I am not the fool here!!!
On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 15:36:08 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 22:42:42 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net
dot nz> wrote:
FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:30:34 -0500, Tony <lizandtony at orcon dot net >>>>>dot nz> wrote:
"s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:11:51 -0000 (UTC), Danny D. wrote:
Where on earth is the HP laserjet 2100m (model c4172a) printer driver >>>>>>>>for
64bit Windows 10?
Why can't you ask this in alt.comp.os.windows-10?
It isn't an OS problem, it is a printer driver problem.
Who are you trying to fool?
It is a printer driver problem for a specific OS.
Not a problem in Windows 7.
I never try to fool people. Printer drivers for specific printers are and >>>>have
for decades been provided by the printer manufacturer. I you think about it >>>>you
must come to that realisation - how the hell could any OS provider know how >>>>to
interface with hundreds of different printers?
Tony
And what has you rant to do with Windows 7 ?
READ the original question.
I never wrote about Windows 7, you did when you incorrectly accused me of >>trying to fool someone and incorrectly assumed that Microsoft wrote printer >>specific drivers. I am not the fool here!!!
OP multiposted in alt.windows7.general and comp.sys.hardwareYou really are a fool aren't you. This post is in the same set of newsgroups that the OP used. I was simply responding but you got it wrong.
asking for drivers for Windows 10.
(I told you to READ the original question but clearly you did not.)
YOU are now writing in alt.windows7.general.
What has your ranting to do with Windows 7?
Or did you never hear about Windows 7 and Windows 10?
(and that they require different drivers???)
Where did I assume that Microsoft wrote printer specific drivers?
Go back to school and find some reading skills.
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Fred W. (NLD)
FredW <fredw@ninmule.invalid> wrote:
OP multiposted in alt.windows7.general and comp.sys.hardware
asking for drivers for Windows 10.
(I told you to READ the original question but clearly you did not.)
YOU are now writing in alt.windows7.general.
What has your ranting to do with Windows 7?
Or did you never hear about Windows 7 and Windows 10?
(and that they require different drivers???)
Where did I assume that Microsoft wrote printer specific drivers?
Go back to school and find some reading skills.
You really are a fool aren't you. This post is in the same set of newsgroups >that the OP used. I was simply responding but you got it wrong.
You are not worthy of my time so please go away.
I know coding extremely well.[...]
From the ground up.
I must agree.
HP is a highly marketing driven company.
Aren't they all!
I apologise for misjudging your expertise.
I guess I'll have to revise my notions.
How about this:
Coding isn't the same as programming which isn't the same as designing software which isn't the same as designing system architecture.
The
peripheral driver problems begin at the level of system architecture
(where system = computer + peripherals + user).
IOW, as implied in previous posts, I agree with your sentiment: There's really no need for a driver, just a standard communication protocol. Let
the printer figure how to do what you want it to do. But that would
require a smart printer, which nobody could sell for $39.95.
On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 11:15:51 -0400, Wolf K wrote:[etc]
That's like saying human moves two ways: a) walking; and b) running.
Which is easy but not simple.
I'm not a printer expert but I would wager that, from the standpoint of the software driver on Windows, a laser printer today prints the same as a
laser printer yesterday.
Three universal drivers would do us just fine.
I think there are three kinds of printers (essentially).
Multiply that by color or B&W.
1. dot matrix
2. ink
3. laser
Three universal drivers would do us just fine.
1. dot matrix
2. ink
3. laser
Three universal drivers would do us just fine.
Actually, for the above, one would - because the above are all dot
matrix. (I've never liked the term dot matrix being used for what should
be called impact, or ribbon, or similar.)
All three of the above put marks on paper as a matrix of dots; it is
only the _means_ by which they make the dots that varies,
On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 07:23:57 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" ><G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
1. dot matrix
2. ink
3. laser
Three universal drivers would do us just fine.
Actually, for the above, one would - because the above are all dot
matrix. (I've never liked the term dot matrix being used for what should
be called impact, or ribbon, or similar.)
All three of the above put marks on paper as a matrix of dots; it is
only the _means_ by which they make the dots that varies,
There's another very big difference between them. When you look at the
print produced by a dot-matrix printer, you can see the dots; with the
other two you can not. And to me, that justifies calling it a
dot-matrix.
In message <jparrbpucrq803ukejtgnfl074ad0vjf0q@4ax.com>, Ken Blake ><Ken@invalid.news.com> writes:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 07:23:57 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >><G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
1. dot matrix
2. ink
3. laser
Three universal drivers would do us just fine.
Actually, for the above, one would - because the above are all dot >>>matrix. (I've never liked the term dot matrix being used for what should >>>be called impact, or ribbon, or similar.)
All three of the above put marks on paper as a matrix of dots; it is
only the _means_ by which they make the dots that varies,
There's another very big difference between them. When you look at the >>print produced by a dot-matrix printer, you can see the dots; with the >>other two you can not. And to me, that justifies calling it a
dot-matrix.
An impact printer in text-only draft mode, yes. In high-quality graphics >mode (unless it's a very cheap one), you'd have to look quite carefully
to see them -
That was using them in their draft mode - which was text only, and is something I think most modern printers don't even have.
In message <lgbsrbdu98oa50lfnlon07dr6js4h42e2t@4ax.com>, Ken Blake ><Ken@invalid.news.com> writes:
It was a lot of years ago, but with my first PC and dot-matrix
printer, I used to use software (I've forgotten its name) that would >>emulate postscript and produce high-quality text in a wide variety of >>fonts. No dots were visible, at least not without magnification.
But I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the normal text
they produced.
That was using them in their draft mode - which was text only, and is >something I think most modern printers don't even have.
Windows - I think from around 3.1 on, possibly 3.0 - operates in
"graphics mode", so of course can print fonts and so on.
I guess I feel they're unfairly dismissed. They're noisy and slow, and
aren't really capable of colour (yes, I know they did try). But they
_are_ capable of high-quality output. They're also very economical to
run, and also in many cases, very solidly built. (I'm watching a
programme about steam locomotives - the Flying Scotsman in particular -
and can't help seeing some parallels! Except steam locos are
phenomenally _expensive_ to keep going.)
On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 23:40:48 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" ><G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
In message <jparrbpucrq803ukejtgnfl074ad0vjf0q@4ax.com>, Ken Blake >><Ken@invalid.news.com> writes:
On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 07:23:57 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >>><G6JPG@soft255.demon.co.uk> wrote:
1. dot matrix
2. ink
3. laser
Three universal drivers would do us just fine.
Actually, for the above, one would - because the above are all dot >>>>matrix. (I've never liked the term dot matrix being used for what should >>>>be called impact, or ribbon, or similar.)
All three of the above put marks on paper as a matrix of dots; it is >>>>only the _means_ by which they make the dots that varies,
There's another very big difference between them. When you look at the >>>print produced by a dot-matrix printer, you can see the dots; with the >>>other two you can not. And to me, that justifies calling it a
dot-matrix.
An impact printer in text-only draft mode, yes. In high-quality graphics >>mode (unless it's a very cheap one), you'd have to look quite carefully
to see them -
It was a lot of years ago, but with my first PC and dot-matrix
printer, I used to use software (I've forgotten its name) that would
emulate postscript and produce high-quality text in a wide variety of
fonts. No dots were visible, at least not without magnification.
But I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the normal text
they produced.
That is an older printer and if you read the HP forums for that printer you will see plenty of others had problems.
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/LaserJet-Printing/Installing-a-HP-LaserJet-2100-for-Windows-10/td-p/5295727
Try installing the Win8.1 x64 version or even Win7.
Bob S.
On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 15:15:52 -0500, Tony wrote:
The following drivers are available on Win10 64 bit
CL5, PCL6 and PS for the LJ2100.
Microsoft are not and never have been responsible for manufacturer
specific
printer drivers.
Go to add new printer
Click the printer I want isn't listed
Click add a local printer or network printer with manual settings
Select use existing or create new port as required
Click on Windows Update and wait (it will take a few minutes0.
Look under HP and voila!
The above is from memory so the words may be different.
Tony
Thank you for that summary.
That process is exactly what worked.
All other attempts failed, to wit:
1. It's bad enough that Windows 10, using the *normal* process for
installing a printer (which we've all used for decades on Windows), failed miserably to install the printer driver for one of the most common
printers
on the planet.
2. It's even worse that HP support failed just as miserably, using the
normal process (which we've all used for decades with HP printers) for downloading a printer driver to a basic and very common laserjet printer.
3. The good news is that most likely HP drivers write themselves, in so
much as a printer driver is no big deal in terms of porting (and testing & supplying & maintaining) from Windows 7 to Windows 10 - simply because HP almost certainly has automated processes for such trivially easy ports
such
as these are.
4. Therefore, the better news is that HP already (secretly, as it were) supplied the HP LaserJet 2100m printer driver to Microsoft, such that the "secret temporary" update process worked to install the correct printer driver.
In the end, who knew that there was a secret temporary "Windows 10 update" that is entirely separate and outside the "regular" Windows 10 update?
I certainly did not know this temporary update existed.
But thanks to you (plural) on the Usenet, I do now.
Thanks!
HP Laserjet 2100/2100M/2100TN User Guide (184 pages)
- http://h20565.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?sp4ts.oid=25469&docLocale=en_US&docId=emr_na-bpl06466
- http://tinyurl.com/hhmwg3w
The HP LaserJet 2100 and the 2100 M printers include two interface ports: an IEEE-1284 parallel and a LocalTalk port.
The HP LaserJet 2100 TN printer also includes an HP JetDirect 600 N print server card that includes a 10Base-T (RJ-45) port.
Drivers - available for practically every OS including Windows 10 32/64bit http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/swd/public/readIndex?sp4ts.oid=59533&lang=en&cc=us
- http://tinyurl.com/zeog5bj
I don't have an HP 2100 so I can't say if the files would help - but have
you tried going to
https://catalog.update.microsoft.com
and searching for "2100 windows 7 hewlett printers" (without the quotes)? This returns a number of printers for LaserJet 2100 series printers (both
PCL and PS), with the drivers described as compatible with "Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, and later".
The site is not an installer; you download the files (and so can archive
them for future use).
The catalog.update.microsoft.com site uses an ActiveX plugin.
The ActiveX plugin runs the "Shopping Cart" interface
provided on the catalog server.
It allows you to queue up a bunch of downloads, like
search for 30 different items, and "add them to your cart".
Then, once you start the download, you can go off and
make dinner while it downloads.
The list of downloads could be stored in a cookie, or
a cookie could be used to sync a server-side grocery
list.
The reason for the ActiveX plugin, is to give
the user that capability. When asked to install the
ActiveX plugin, give it permission.
Microsoft "promises" to modify the Catalog site design,
but given how Microsoft is also going to fuck over
Win7 and Win8 updates anyway, I just assume they're
not doing anything at the moment.
If you use Internet Explorer, even Internet Explorer 6,
you will be able to use catalog.update.microsoft.com .
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 08:39:29 -0400, Joe Morris wrote:
https://catalog.update.microsoft.com
That is a *strange* site indeed!
The whole point of web browsers were to make any content available, right?
What part about being able to display on any computer did Microsoft NOT understand?
If you open the archive with 7ZIP, one of the
files at the top level is
prnhp001.inf
And that is a text file. INF files are
used by installers.
Is "this" the archive of the HP LJ 2100 TN printer driver that I want? AMD64-all-4188_bacd1413e93b4a6362d9a2ca653c869f1c02f6f7.cab 11,846KB
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 19:01:29 -0400, Paul wrote:
If you open the archive with 7ZIP, one of the
files at the top level is
prnhp001.inf
And that is a text file. INF files are
used by installers.
Ah, this is *perfect*.
Thank you for your patience & understanding.
I installed IZArc which opened the CAB file.
Inside I saw
- Amd64 (directory)
- component.man
- prnhp001.cat
- prnhp001.Inf
So now that I have the CAB file, I guess I have the archived printer driver for Windows 10 should Microsoft stop including the printer driver for the
HP LJ 2100TN in the future!
This is wonderful!
We should archive *all* our printer drivers now, just in case.
Thanks!
The whole point of web browsers were to make any content available, right?[...]
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 15:44:47 -0400, Paul wrote:
I can't stand non-standard web sites [...]The catalog.update.microsoft.com site uses an ActiveX plugin.Thank you for explaining why that site doesn't work with a major browser.
The ActiveX plugin runs the "Shopping Cart" interface
provided on the catalog server.
It allows you to queue up a bunch of downloads, like
search for 30 different items, and "add them to your cart".
Then, once you start the download, you can go off and
make dinner while it downloads.
The list of downloads could be stored in a cookie, or
a cookie could be used to sync a server-side grocery
list.
The reason for the ActiveX plugin, is to give
the user that capability. When asked to install the
ActiveX plugin, give it permission.
On 2016-08-27 16:26, Danny D. wrote:
On Sat, 27 Aug 2016 15:44:47 -0400, Paul wrote:
I can't stand non-standard web sites [...]The catalog.update.microsoft.com site uses an ActiveX plugin.Thank you for explaining why that site doesn't work with a major browser.
The ActiveX plugin runs the "Shopping Cart" interface
provided on the catalog server.
It allows you to queue up a bunch of downloads, like
search for 30 different items, and "add them to your cart".
Then, once you start the download, you can go off and
make dinner while it downloads.
The list of downloads could be stored in a cookie, or
a cookie could be used to sync a server-side grocery
list.
The reason for the ActiveX plugin, is to give
the user that capability. When asked to install the
ActiveX plugin, give it permission.
It doesn't work with any browser, major, minor, or pipsqueak, without
the plug-in.
Your reaction is, um, peculiar. It's like you being surprised that you
need a tow-package to haul your boat with your car.
--
Best,
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.ca
Where on earth is the HP laserjet 2100m (model c4172a) printer driver for 64bit Windows 10?
Am on my home network which has an HP LaserJet 2100m printer hooked to the home broadband router using an Ethernet cable.
The home broadband router is wireless.
The windows7 computer has *no problem* printing to the HP2100m.
But Windows 10 can't even *find* the printer.
No matter what I do in Start -> Settings -> Devices -> Add a printer
What?
Windows *still* (after all these years!) can't even find a networked
printer?
And, Windows still, after all these years, can't install a common HP
driver?
Did Redmond get worse and worse and worse (and worse?) over time?
It's actually worse than what I'm saying above, as I decide to fall back on the ancient method of downloading a 64-bit Windows 10 printer driver from
HP for the HP 2100m (model C4172A).
What is with HP?
What happened to a simple printer driver?
What is this garbage?
There *only* download available on HP support for the HP 2100m is some kind of megalithic (iTunes like) huge (22MB) directory of "administrator" tools.
Huh?
I just want the stinkin' 10KB HP 2100m printer driver for heaven's sake!
22.1 Megabytes later, I have a horrible directory filled with utter
garbage, titled "park-v1.8.0" (HP Printer Administrator Rexource Kit,
1.9.0, 2 Feb 2016).
What the heck?
It's filled with garbage but no Win10 64-bit printer driver!
Which one of these directories contains the printer driver?
- active directory administrator template
add print model to comments
AutoUpgradeUPD
driver configuration utility
hpprlog
managed print administrator
Migrate-Server-Tools
prncon
RemovePlugPlayDrivers
updatenow
C'mon. I just want the tiny 10KB driver.
Where is it?
Windows *still* (after all these years!) can't even find a networked
printer?
And, Windows still, after all these years, can't install a common HP
driver?
Did Redmond get worse and worse and worse (and worse?) over time?
It's actually worse than what I'm saying above, as I decide to fall back on the ancient method of downloading a 64-bit Windows 10 printer driver from
HP for the HP 2100m (model C4172A).
What is with HP?
What happened to a simple printer driver?
What is this garbage?
There *only* download available on HP support for the HP 2100m is some kind of megalithic (iTunes like) huge (22MB) directory of "administrator" tools.
Huh?
I just want the stinkin' 10KB HP 2100m printer driver for heaven's sake!
22.1 Megabytes later, I have a horrible directory filled with utter
garbage, titled "park-v1.8.0" (HP Printer Administrator Rexource Kit,
1.9.0, 2 Feb 2016).
What the heck?
It's filled with garbage but no Win10 64-bit printer driver!
Which one of these directories contains the printer driver?
- active directory administrator template
add print model to comments
AutoUpgradeUPD
driver configuration utility
hpprlog
managed print administrator
Migrate-Server-Tools
prncon
RemovePlugPlayDrivers
updatenow
C'mon. I just want the tiny 10KB driver.
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