I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it. I now find
I'd like to go back and retrieve data stored in some of those older databases. My current version (12) refuses to open the older
databases, even, to my mind, some relatively recent ones (ca 2009).
Is anyone aware of a table showing which database versions can be
opened by which FileMaker versions and which Mac OS's are required to
run those versions? I know I am probably going to have to go back to
at least OS 8.5.
Better, is there some freeware somewhere which can open these things?
I have the same problem with Word and Excel documents, but that's
another newsgroup :)
What good is digitizing all your data if the technology to read it disappears? I should have used papyrus.
On 2015-12-14, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote:
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it. I now find
I'd like to go back and retrieve data stored in some of those older databases. My current version (12) refuses to open the older
databases, even, to my mind, some relatively recent ones (ca 2009).
Is anyone aware of a table showing which database versions can be
opened by which FileMaker versions and which Mac OS's are required to
run those versions? I know I am probably going to have to go back to
at least OS 8.5.
Better, is there some freeware somewhere which can open these things?
I have the same problem with Word and Excel documents, but that's
another newsgroup :)
--What good is digitizing all your data if the technology to read it disappears? I should have used papyrus.
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it. I now find
I'd like to go back and retrieve data stored in some of those older databases.
On 2015-12-14, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote:
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less
traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it. I now find
I'd like to go back and retrieve data stored in some of those older
databases. My current version (12) refuses to open the older
databases, even, to my mind, some relatively recent ones (ca 2009).
Is anyone aware of a table showing which database versions can be
opened by which FileMaker versions and which Mac OS's are required to
run those versions? I know I am probably going to have to go back to
at least OS 8.5.
Better, is there some freeware somewhere which can open these things?
I have the same problem with Word and Excel documents, but that's
another newsgroup :)
What good is digitizing all your data if the technology to read it
disappears? I should have used papyrus.
You might try running the older versions of FileMaker in a VM or
emulator...
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
I now find I'd like to go back and retrieve data stored in some of
those older databases. My current version (12) refuses to open the
older databases, even, to my mind, some relatively recent ones (ca
2009).
Is anyone aware of a table showing which database versions can be
opened by which FileMaker versions and which Mac OS's are required to
run those versions? I know I am probably going to have to go back to
at least OS 8.5.
Jolly Roger wrote:
On 2015-12-14, Nelson <nelson@nowhere.com> wrote:
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less
traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it. I now find
I'd like to go back and retrieve data stored in some of those older
databases. My current version (12) refuses to open the older
databases, even, to my mind, some relatively recent ones (ca 2009).
Is anyone aware of a table showing which database versions can be
opened by which FileMaker versions and which Mac OS's are required to
run those versions? I know I am probably going to have to go back to
at least OS 8.5.
Better, is there some freeware somewhere which can open these things?
I have the same problem with Word and Excel documents, but that's
another newsgroup :)
What good is digitizing all your data if the technology to read it
disappears? I should have used papyrus.
You might try running the older versions of FileMaker in a VM or emulator...
If I recall right the backward compatibility for opening / converting is
as this.
- FM/FMP pre v.2.0v3 kan be opened in FMP 2.x, 3.x and 4.x
- FMP 2.1.x can be opened in FMP 3.x, 4.x and 4.5.x
- FMP 3.x and 4.x can be opened in FMP 4.x, 5.x and 5.5.x
- FMP 4.x and 5.x can be opened in FMP 5.x and 6.x
- FMP 5.x and 5.5.x can be opened in FMP 5.5.x and 6.x
- FMP 6.x and 7.x can be opened in FMP 7.x, 8.x and 9.x
- FMP 7.x can be opened in any newer version including latest version.
If there aren't too many relations and cross-references versions from
0.9 to 6.x can be opended in BBedit Lite 6.1.3 Classic or OS X version. Unfortunately BBedit Lite 6.1.3 stopped working with the arrival of OS X 10.5.x.
All FM/FMP databases can be opened as text-only in the full BBedit to be saved either as 'Tab-Deliminated-Text' (= Tab Separarated Text) or
'Plain Text'.
NOTE. All relations and cross-references will be saved as 'text-only paragraphs' in text documents.
NOTE2. If a database is password protected hte password is stripped out
by default. This /may/ give some problems since a FMP password is
'hidden' somewhere inside the database to avoid hacking. This means that
the password is a part of a text-line, a date & time stamp, the code for
a frame etc..
Also MacLinkPlus 15.x OS X ver. can convert many FM/FMP databases to ' Tab-Deliminated-Text' or 'Plain Text'. But here I'm not sure which FMP versions are supported newer than v.6.x.x.
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
In article <slrnn6up4p.jp5.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less
traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less >> > traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
FileMaker II, Pro 1 and Pro 2 files can be converted by FileMaker Pro 3 through 6 (according to FileMaker Inc., and the manual for Pro 6
mentions Pro 1 and 2 as import options).
FileMaker Pro 3 and 4 have the same file format (.fp3 is the recommended extension). These files can be converted by FileMaker Pro 5 through 11.
FileMaker Pro 5 and 6 have the same file format (.fp5 is the recommended extension). These files can be converted by FileMaker Pro 7 through 11.
FileMaker Pro 7 through 11 have the same file format (.fp7 is the
standard extension). These files can be converted by FileMaker Pro 12 or later.
FileMaker Pro 12 and later (up to 14 so far) have the same file format (.fmp12 is the standard extension).
Within each file format, the individual versions added features, and
those features don't work in earlier versions. As a rule of thumb, if
you avoid new features, databases saved by newer versions within the
same group can still be used with older versions within the same group,
but it is recommended that you don't use older versions once a database
has been used with a newer version.
All FM/FMP databases can be opened as text-only in the full BBedit to be
saved either as 'Tab-Deliminated-Text' (= Tab Separarated Text) or
'Plain Text'.
Only in your alternate universe. FileMaker Pro databases are not text
files. Text in fields inside the database might extractable by loading
them into a plain text editor like BBEdit, but the files contain a lot
of binary structure which can't easily be cleaned out by a text editor.
(Yes, I checked, using simple single file/table databases in .fp3, .fp5
and .fp7 format.)
Also MacLinkPlus 15.x OS X ver. can convert many FM/FMP databases to '
Tab-Deliminated-Text' or 'Plain Text'. But here I'm not sure which FMP
versions are supported newer than v.6.x.x.
I can't verify that as I don't have version 15, but versions 13 and 16
don't mention FileMaker Pro as a supported file format, so it seems
likely that this claim about version 15 is also wrong.
David Empson wrote:
FileMaker II, Pro 1 and Pro 2 files can be converted by FileMaker Pro 3 through 6 (according to FileMaker Inc., and the manual for Pro 6
mentions Pro 1 and 2 as import options).
FileMaker Pro 3 and 4 have the same file format (.fp3 is the recommended extension). These files can be converted by FileMaker Pro 5 through 11.
FileMaker Pro 5 and 6 have the same file format (.fp5 is the recommended extension). These files can be converted by FileMaker Pro 7 through 11.
FileMaker Pro 7 through 11 have the same file format (.fp7 is the
standard extension). These files can be converted by FileMaker Pro 12 or later.
FileMaker Pro 12 and later (up to 14 so far) have the same file format (.fmp12 is the standard extension).
Within each file format, the individual versions added features, and
those features don't work in earlier versions. As a rule of thumb, if
you avoid new features, databases saved by newer versions within the
same group can still be used with older versions within the same group,
but it is recommended that you don't use older versions once a database
has been used with a newer version.
If it is as you write it isn't the first time that the FMSupport isn't
quite right.
I've too many times had to contact our local FMSupport to
get some help and/or clearifications to their websites.
And I find it very strange that I haven't been able to open and convert elseway than using various apps as I write it. I have been using
Filemaker from FM II and FMP 2.0 and up to ver. 11.x which is my latest.
All FM/FMP databases can be opened as text-only in the full BBedit to be >> saved either as 'Tab-Deliminated-Text' (= Tab Separarated Text) or
'Plain Text'.
Only in your alternate universe. FileMaker Pro databases are not text files. Text in fields inside the database might extractable by loading
them into a plain text editor like BBEdit, but the files contain a lot
of binary structure which can't easily be cleaned out by a text editor.
(Yes, I checked, using simple single file/table databases in .fp3, .fp5
and .fp7 format.)
I didnot mention anything about retaining /any/ kind of formattings. But you're right it takes quite a lot of time to strip out formatting codes
etc..
Also MacLinkPlus 15.x OS X ver. can convert many FM/FMP databases to '
Tab-Deliminated-Text' or 'Plain Text'. But here I'm not sure which FMP
versions are supported newer than v.6.x.x.
I can't verify that as I don't have version 15, but versions 13 and 16 don't mention FileMaker Pro as a supported file format, so it seems
likely that this claim about version 15 is also wrong.
I can only tell that I used MLP 15 to open a +600mb hudge database and
could see and copy content, but not /convert/ to a usable database
format. So I gave up and opened it instead in BBedit and copued the
parts that the owner needed here and now... It was vital data which a
doctor needed for a surgery. - He got the data for the case and was satisfied.
In message <141220152005056968%nospam@nospam.invalid>
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <slrnn6up4p.jp5.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less >> > traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
In message <141220152005056968%nospam@nospam.invalid>
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <slrnn6up4p.jp5.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less >>>> traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
In message <141220152005056968%nospam@nospam.invalid>
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <slrnn6up4p.jp5.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less
traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
Not evidence, I know, but read the Wikipedia page.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FileMaker
Apparently there is some debate about the details, but the key point is
that versions prior to FileMaker II were written by Nashoba Systems, originally starting as an MS-DOS database called "Nutshell", then ported
to a Mac-only product called "FileMaker".
When Claris was founded (1988), it bought FileMaker (at that point
version 4) from Nashoba, and renamed it FileMaker II. FileMaker Pro 1.0
came in 1990.
Claris was renamed to FileMaker Inc. in 1998, when the other Claris
products were dropped or moved to Apple (e.g. ClarisWorks 5 became
AppleWorks 5).
In article <slrnn6v5i6.mlq.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even less >> >> > traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
you're grossly ignorant.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claris#Creation>
In 1988, Claris purchased FileMaker from Nashoba Systems and quickly
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even
less traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
you're grossly ignorant.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claris#Creation>
In 1988, Claris purchased FileMaker from Nashoba Systems and quickly
Claris could not buy anything, being a wholly owned subsidiary of Apple. Apple bought FileMaker and assigned it to Claris.
In article <slrnn70buu.o07.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even >> >> >> > less traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
you're grossly ignorant.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claris#Creation>
In 1988, Claris purchased FileMaker from Nashoba Systems and quickly
Claris could not buy anything, being a wholly owned subsidiary of Apple.
Apple bought FileMaker and assigned it to Claris.
nonsense,
but even if that were true, filemaker was still bought.
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it. I now find
I'd like to go back and retrieve data stored in some of those older databases. My current version (12) refuses to open the older
databases, even, to my mind, some relatively recent ones (ca 2009).
I have the same problem with Word and Excel documents, but that's
another newsgroup :)
What good is digitizing all your data if the technology to read it disappears? I should have used papyrus.
Claris could not buy anything, being a wholly owned subsidiary of Apple. >> Apple bought FileMaker and assigned it to Claris.I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even >> >> >> > less traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
you're grossly ignorant.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claris#Creation>
In 1988, Claris purchased FileMaker from Nashoba Systems and quickly >>
nonsense,
Not at all.
In fact, the purchase of FileMaker and the spinning out of
Claris were nearly synchronous events. Without the purchase of FileMaker Claris would never have been spunout because the whole reason for
creating Claris was to continue to sell FileMaker to PC users.
but even if that were true, filemaker was still bought.
Not the point at all. But thanks for playing.
In message <151220151059208787%nospam@nospam.invalid>
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <slrnn70buu.o07.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
Claris could not buy anything, being a wholly owned subsidiary of Apple. >>> Apple bought FileMaker and assigned it to Claris.I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even >>>>>>>> less traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
you're grossly ignorant.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claris#Creation>
In 1988, Claris purchased FileMaker from Nashoba Systems and quickly >>>
nonsense,
Not at all. In fact, the purchase of FileMaker and the spinning out of
Claris were nearly synchronous events. Without the purchase of FileMaker Claris would never have been spunout because the whole reason for
creating Claris was to continue to sell FileMaker to PC users.
but even if that were true, filemaker was still bought.
Not the point at all. But thanks for playing.
In article <slrnn70nar.qqg.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
Claris could not buy anything, being a wholly owned subsidiary of Apple. >> Apple bought FileMaker and assigned it to Claris.I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets
even less traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
you're grossly ignorant.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claris#Creation>
In 1988, Claris purchased FileMaker from Nashoba Systems and quickly >>
nonsense,
Not at all.
it is nonsense. claris was independently managed and they can (and did)
buy several products, filemaker being one of them.
In fact, the purchase of FileMaker and the spinning out of
Claris were nearly synchronous events. Without the purchase of FileMaker Claris would never have been spunout because the whole reason for
creating Claris was to continue to sell FileMaker to PC users.
more revisionist history.
but even if that were true, filemaker was still bought.
Not the point at all. But thanks for playing.
it was the point.
even if apple told claris to buy filemaker (which they didn't but let's assume they did), filemaker was purchased and the original poster *did*
own it before claris had it, as did many people.
On 12/15/15 10:32 AM, Lewis wrote:
In message <151220151059208787%nospam@nospam.invalid>
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <slrnn70buu.o07.g.kreme@amelia.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:
Claris could not buy anything, being a wholly owned subsidiary of Apple. >>> Apple bought FileMaker and assigned it to Claris.
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets even >>>>>>>> less traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
you're grossly ignorant.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claris#Creation>
In 1988, Claris purchased FileMaker from Nashoba Systems and quickly >>>
nonsense,
Not at all. In fact, the purchase of FileMaker and the spinning out of Claris were nearly synchronous events. Without the purchase of FileMaker Claris would never have been spunout because the whole reason for
creating Claris was to continue to sell FileMaker to PC users.
but even if that were true, filemaker was still bought.
Not the point at all. But thanks for playing.
1. Where is it written that wholly-owned subsidiaries cannot buy anything?
2. Claris was formed in 1987 to continue the development of MacWrite, MacPaint, MacProject, MacDraw (as well as Apple II program, AppleWorks)
at some remove from Apple itself.
3. FileMaker wasn't purchased until the next year.
Nelson wrote:
What good is digitizing all your data if the technology to read it disappears? I should have used papyrus.
I couldn't agree more.
I posted this in comp.databases.filemaker but that group gets >> >> >> > even less traffic than this one (if possible).
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it.
Claris did not buy Filemaker.
yes they did, from nashoba systems
You are grossly misinformed.
you're grossly ignorant.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claris#Creation>
In 1988, Claris purchased FileMaker from Nashoba Systems and
quickly
Claris could not buy anything, being a wholly owned subsidiary of
Apple.
Apple bought FileMaker and assigned it to Claris.
nonsense,
Not at all.
it is nonsense. claris was independently managed and they can (and did)
buy several products, filemaker being one of them.
AppleWorks GS is another which comes to mind (from personal experience,
it happened the year after I got my Apple IIgs). It was previously being developed by a different company as "GSWorks". Wikipedia reminds me that
the original developer was StyleWare. That was in 1988, the same year
that FileMaker was acquired by Claris and re-released as FileMaker II.
In fact, the purchase of FileMaker and the spinning out of
Claris were nearly synchronous events. Without the purchase of FileMaker Claris would never have been spunout because the whole reason for creating Claris was to continue to sell FileMaker to PC users.
more revisionist history.
"Continue" to sell FileMaker to PC users? Claris _introduced_ FileMaker
to Windows, with FileMaker Pro 2.0 in 1992, four years and two versions
after Claris acquired FileMaker. All earlier versions using the
"FileMaker" name (including those written by Nashoba Systems) were Mac
only.
One of the few companies that still apparently makes and stocks
parts for virtually all their old models (way back to pre-War models!)
is Citroen.
Nelson wrote:
I have been using FieMaker since before Claris bought it. I now find
I'd like to go back and retrieve data stored in some of those older
databases. My current version (12) refuses to open the older
databases, even, to my mind, some relatively recent ones (ca 2009).
I still have the Filemaker 4 thru 5 disks, and a G3 to run them on
Assuming your fies aren't confidential (and are of e-mailalble size),
I'd be happy to convert them (assuming I can) and send them back to you.
Salut Your Name
In article <161220151314526540%YourName@YourISP.com>,
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
One of the few companies that still apparently makes and stocks
parts for virtually all their old models (way back to pre-War models!)
is Citroen.
we are getting quite off topic now...
As a proud owner of a 1936 Citroën 11A and connaisseur of the scene in
Europe I can assure you that this is not true. The only thing I am able
to get from official Citroën outlets is the air in the tires...
Other companies like Mercedes, BMW or Porsche for example are much
better in this regard:
<https://www.mercedes-benz.com/de/mercedes-benz/classic/classic-service-t eile/mercedes-benz-classic-service-teile/>
<http://www.classicshop.porsche.com/pcos/>
<http://www.bmwgroup-classic.com/bmw_classic/de/index.html>
Cheers
Andreas
<http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/bob/clarisworks.php>
Meanwhile, Apple had formed a software subsidiary, named Claris, to
develop and market application software. Initially Claris sold
MacWrite, MacPaint, and MacDraw, for the Macintosh, and AppleWorks,
"Continue" to sell FileMaker to PC users? Claris _introduced_ FileMaker
to Windows, with FileMaker Pro 2.0 in 1992, four years and two versions
after Claris acquired FileMaker. All earlier versions using the
"FileMaker" name (including those written by Nashoba Systems) were Mac
only.
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:14:54 -0500, nospam wrote:<snip>
<http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/bob/clarisworks.php>
Meanwhile, Apple had formed a software subsidiary, named Claris, to
develop and market application software. Initially Claris sold
MacWrite, MacPaint, and MacDraw, for the Macintosh, and AppleWorks,
offtopic, but MacDraw was such an excellent application. I am so sorry
that there has been that little progress in improving drawing
applications since - especially looking at the lack of proper drawing capabilites within MS Word, Libe/Openoffice etc.
The proper concepts of aligning, grouping, moving were just so natural
and obvious to use. And copy/paste to other documents, or scaling where excellent that time. I even could take a ruler on the screen of my
Mac Classic, up to the Powerbook 190 (which I liked more than the 5something), in order to measure and position anything.
Same was true that time for FMP.
Is there anything as good by current standards, as MacDraw was that
time? I'd vote for Sketchup - which is a perfectly different, but
excellent to use 3D app. But I don't know any for Mac (knowing not much
more than e.g. Intaglio, just wondering why 2.9.4 still works with
10.10, but 3.1 doesn't).
Is there anything as good by current standards, as MacDraw was that<snip>
time? I'd vote for Sketchup - which is a perfectly different, but
excellent to use 3D app. But I don't know any for Mac (knowing not much more than e.g. Intaglio, just wondering why 2.9.4 still works with
10.10, but 3.1 doesn't).
Not quite the same as the excellent MacDraw / ClarisDraw (which I still
use from time to time), but there is possibly EazyDraw, OmniGraffle,
MacDraft, Intaglio as you mentioned, Adobe Illustrator, Inkscape, plus
a few CAD applications and "room design" apps.
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