• Which FMP version does work on which MacOS

    From Helpful Harry@21:1/5 to t-usenet@gmx.net on Thu Oct 22 09:17:03 2015
    XPost: comp.databases.filemaker

    In article <slrnn2fb7o.f5v.t-usenet@ID-685.user.individual.de>, Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

    Hi all,

    I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11

    Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?

    I do find e.g.

    <http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12643/~/filemaker-11-and-ea
    rlier-versions,-os-x-mavericks-compatibility>

    which claims that FMP 10 and FMP 11 are not compatible with MacOS 10.9

    MacOS 10.9 (Mavericks) does work with FMP from 12.05 upwards...

    No Info on FMP 13 and MacOS 10.11, but FMP 14.03 should work fine.

    FMP 13 should work from 13.04 on with MacOS 10.10 (Yosemite)
    ... so far the filemaker.com info

    Rosetta and Java SE 6 seem to be the bottlenecks!?


    Personally, I do use FMP11 on MacOS 10.10, which does work very well.
    There are just some limitations due to the gone Rosetta, such as no more
    .xls export.

    It's no use to you, but for the sake of completion, I know FileMaker
    4.1 has an annoying issue when running under Classic in Mac OS X 10.1
    and 10.2 - in Layout mode dragging a field or object to a new position
    will duplicate it instead of just move it.

    Helpful Harry :o)

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  • From Martin =?UTF-8?Q?=CE=A4rautmann?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 21 15:19:20 2015
    XPost: comp.databases.filemaker

    Hi all,

    I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11

    Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?

    I do find e.g. <http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12643/~/filemaker-11-and-earlier-versions,-os-x-mavericks-compatibility>

    which claims that FMP 10 and FMP 11 are not compatible with MacOS 10.9

    MacOS 10.9 (Mavericks) does work with FMP from 12.05 upwards...

    No Info on FMP 13 and MacOS 10.11, but FMP 14.03 should work fine.

    FMP 13 should work from 13.04 on with MacOS 10.10 (Yosemite)
    ... so far the filemaker.com info

    Rosetta and Java SE 6 seem to be the bottlenecks!?


    Personally, I do use FMP11 on MacOS 10.10, which does work very well.
    There are just some limitations due to the gone Rosetta, such as no more
    .xls export.

    - Martin

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  • From Martin =?UTF-8?Q?=CE=A4rautmann?=@21:1/5 to David Empson on Wed Oct 21 22:53:56 2015
    XPost: comp.databases.filemaker

    On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:38:20 +1300, David Empson wrote:
    Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

    I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11

    Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?

    Not really. The only absolutely clear information is minimum system
    requirements (the application will not launch on older systems), and any
    known issues that FileMaker Inc. publishes.

    After a new OS X version is released, FM Inc. usually only tests the
    latest version of FileMaker (e.g. FM 14 in the case of OS X 10.11), and
    publishes a document listing known features, then issues software
    updates over time to fix some or all of the known issues.

    It's a pity that a database company is not able to provide a bug
    tracking database where to find what does work where - but that's more
    specific for open source apps than for commercial tools

    I'd welcome an open (FMP) database in the net where people could enter
    theire more or less anecdotal evidence to form a more conclusive image
    what does work or not

    In most cases, they do not test earlier versions, so the only
    information you have to go on is anecdotal reports as to whether an
    older version works on a later system (and that may depend on exactly
    which features each person is using).

    As for most companies, they just want to sell their latest software.
    Backwards tests just cost time and money while it will not provide new customers.

    However, with the latest speed of Apple to provide new and updated MacOS versions, I do hesitate more and more to change the system, risking that essential programs will no longer work

    I sticked to 10.4, to 10.6 for a rather long time - not to speak of
    MacOS7, while I skipped MacOS 8, 9, 10.0, 10.1, 10.2

    which claims that FMP 10 and FMP 11 are not compatible with MacOS 10.9

    The table says that, but the text at the top explains it more clearly
    (and still got it wrong):

    yes, does not make me very comfortable


    My friend has upgraded to OS X 10.11 and is still using FileMaker Pro
    11, but so far I've only done a brief test on 10.11. I'm intending to
    upgrade us to version 14 once it settles down.

    Good to know that 10.11 could be ok

    Thanks,
    Martin

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  • From David Empson@21:1/5 to t-usenet@gmx.net on Thu Oct 22 09:38:20 2015
    XPost: comp.databases.filemaker

    Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

    I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11

    Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?

    Not really. The only absolutely clear information is minimum system requirements (the application will not launch on older systems), and any
    known issues that FileMaker Inc. publishes.

    After a new OS X version is released, FM Inc. usually only tests the
    latest version of FileMaker (e.g. FM 14 in the case of OS X 10.11), and publishes a document listing known features, then issues software
    updates over time to fix some or all of the known issues.

    In most cases, they do not test earlier versions, so the only
    information you have to go on is anecdotal reports as to whether an
    older version works on a later system (and that may depend on exactly
    which features each person is using).

    In some cases, specific issues with older versions on newer systems are consistent enough that they can become general knowledge, e.g. FileMaker
    Pro 8.5's print dialog crashes on recent OS X versions when you try to
    print (I'd have to search to find the details for when it started), but
    there is a workaround via Save to PDF.

    I do find e.g. <http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12643/~/filemaker-11-an d-earlier-versions,-os-x-mavericks-compatibility>

    which claims that FMP 10 and FMP 11 are not compatible with MacOS 10.9

    The table says that, but the text at the top explains it more clearly
    (and still got it wrong):

    "Pre FileMaker 11 version of FileMaker have not been tested or certified
    with Mac OS X Mavericks. These products were developed and released
    before Mac OS X v10.9 Mavericks became available.

    While these earlier versions may install and run on Mac OS X v10.9
    Mavericks, you may encounter installation and stability issues for which
    there is no resolution. "

    The table's "Not Compatible" really means "Not Tested". Furthermore, the
    first sentence's "Pre FileMaker 11" should read "Pre FileMaker 12", or "FileMaker versions 11 and earlier". They didn't test version 11 either.

    I can say that a friend and I have been succesfully using FileMaker Pro
    11 on OS X 10.9 and 10.10, apart from some cosmetic user interface
    issues on a retina display (startup splash screen shows a quarter of it enlarged 2x), and it unnecessarily activates the dedicated GPU on a
    MacBook Pro (which doesn't happen in version 12 and later).

    Our usage is relatively light so there may be areas which don't work
    which we haven't run into.

    My friend has upgraded to OS X 10.11 and is still using FileMaker Pro
    11, but so far I've only done a brief test on 10.11. I'm intending to
    upgrade us to version 14 once it settles down.

    MacOS 10.9 (Mavericks) does work with FMP from 12.05 upwards...

    12.0v5 is when they fixed specific compatibility issues in FileMaker 12
    for OS X 10.9. Prior to that there may have been known issues, but I
    don't recall the specifics and the obvious document doesn't list them.

    No Info on FMP 13 and MacOS 10.11, but FMP 14.03 should work fine.

    Not quite, 14.0.3 still has some known issues. It fixed the most serious compatibility problems (including crashes).

    http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/15187/~/filemaker-14-platform-and-os-x-el-capitan

    These sorts of lists may have clues for areas to do your own testing in
    earlier versions.

    Some of the experienced developers on the FileMaker Community are still avoiding version 14, preferring to stick to 13.

    FMP 13 should work from 13.04 on with MacOS 10.10 (Yosemite)
    ... so far the filemaker.com info

    Rosetta and Java SE 6 seem to be the bottlenecks!?

    Java is an issue for FileMaker Server (specifically its management
    console) but isn't used by FileMaker Pro/Advanced.

    Personally, I do use FMP11 on MacOS 10.10, which does work very well.
    There are just some limitations due to the gone Rosetta, such as no more
    .xls export.

    Evidence suggests that XLS export was implemented by a third party
    library which FM Inc. licensed, which used PowerPC code and was never
    updated to Intel/Universal code, therefore can't run on OS X 10.7 or
    later.

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    David Empson
    dempson@actrix.gen.nz

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to t-usenet@gmx.net on Wed Oct 21 23:19:16 2015
    XPost: comp.databases.filemaker

    Martin Τrautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:38:20 +1300, David Empson wrote:
    Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

    I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11

    Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?

    Not really. The only absolutely clear information is minimum system
    requirements (the application will not launch on older systems), and any
    known issues that FileMaker Inc. publishes.

    After a new OS X version is released, FM Inc. usually only tests the
    latest version of FileMaker (e.g. FM 14 in the case of OS X 10.11), and
    publishes a document listing known features, then issues software
    updates over time to fix some or all of the known issues.

    It's a pity that a database company is not able to provide a bug
    tracking database where to find what does work where - but that's more specific for open source apps than for commercial tools

    I'd welcome an open (FMP) database in the net where people could enter
    theire more or less anecdotal evidence to form a more conclusive image
    what does work or not

    That exists:

    <http://roaringapps.com/apps>

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    I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

    JR

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  • From Howard Schlossberg@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 21 21:31:28 2015
    XPost: comp.databases.filemaker

    On 10/21/2015 3:53 PM, Martin Τrautmann wrote:
    I'd welcome an open (FMP) database in the net where people could enter
    theire more or less anecdotal evidence to form a more conclusive image
    what does work or not

    There is such a discussion (and related database maintained by one of
    the moderators, PhilModJunk) at https://community.filemaker.com/community/discussions/report-an-issue

    The list is closely monitored by 2-3 FileMaker tech support engineers
    who actively respond to issues and follow-up info and tests from others.

    Howard

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  • From Aladino@21:1/5 to t-usenet@gmx.net on Thu Oct 22 09:31:58 2015
    XPost: comp.databases.filemaker

    Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet@gmx.net> wrote:

    MacOS 10.9 (Mavericks) does work with FMP from 12.05 upwards...
    I use (no so much, in the last times) FMA 9 and FMP 11 on OS X 10.9, and
    didn't have any issue for wath I do.

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  • From Fred Moore@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 28 12:34:41 2015
    XPost: comp.databases.filemaker

    On 10/21/15 11:19 a, Martin Τrautmann wrote:
    Hi all,

    I just learned that FMP9 does not work on El Capitan, MacOS 10.11

    Is there any reliable info around which does still work where?

    I do find e.g. <http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/12643/~/filemaker-11-and-earlier-versions,-os-x-mavericks-compatibility>

    which claims that FMP 10 and FMP 11 are not compatible with MacOS 10.9

    FMP Adv v11.0.4 runs fine on 10.9.5 for me.

    MacOS 10.9 (Mavericks) does work with FMP from 12.05 upwards...

    No Info on FMP 13 and MacOS 10.11, but FMP 14.03 should work fine.

    FMP 13 should work from 13.04 on with MacOS 10.10 (Yosemite)
    ... so far the filemaker.com info

    Rosetta and Java SE 6 seem to be the bottlenecks!?


    Personally, I do use FMP11 on MacOS 10.10, which does work very well.
    There are just some limitations due to the gone Rosetta, such as no more
    .xls export.

    Macintouch has some useful discussions about FMP and both 10.10 & 10.11:

    Yosemite <http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/yosemite/topic5009-001.html#d20oct2014>

    El Capitan <http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/elcapitan/index.html#d15oct2015>

    Just do a search for 'filemaker' on the pages to find the entries.

    (The links above are the starting points. You may have to go back to the
    top of a page to get to the next group of pages. True for Yosemite, not
    yet for El Capitan.)

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