• Re: Data Transfer From Late 2013 iMac (Catalina 10.15.7)

    From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 14:39:56 2022
    Am 15.01.22 um 14:23 schrieb Jim_Higgins:
    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data transfer
    at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to the new one.
    Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter". How
    useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on how
    I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    Thats exactly how you should not do it. Read this:

    https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204350


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  • From Jim_Higgins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 08:57:57 2022
    On 1/15/22 8:23 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data transfer
    at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to the new one.
    Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter". How
    useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on how
    I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    That article seems to be the same, what did I miss?


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  • From Jim_Higgins@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 08:23:27 2022
    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data transfer
    at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to the new one.
    Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) Cable
    (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter". How
    useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on how
    I should go about this?

    Thank you.
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  • From Jim_Higgins@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Sat Jan 15 10:13:46 2022
    On 1/15/22 9:30 AM, David Brooks wrote:
    On 15/01/2022 13:57, Jim_Higgins wrote:
    On 1/15/22 8:23 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data
    transfer at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to
    the new one. Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C)
    Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter".
    How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on
    how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    That article seems to be the same, what did I miss?

    Jim

    You missed that Apple recommends a diect transfer from one computer to
    the other - "place them near each other with Wi-Fi  turned on."

    Your TimeMachine back-up is irrelevant. No cables are needed!

    HTH


    I did that once before long ago and it took a LONG time. Is it wrong, or slower, to use cables? BTW, thank you for the correction.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 14:30:44 2022
    On 15/01/2022 13:57, Jim_Higgins wrote:
    On 1/15/22 8:23 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data
    transfer at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to the
    new one. Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C)
    Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter".
    How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on
    how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    That article seems to be the same, what did I miss?

    Jim

    You missed that Apple recommends a diect transfer from one computer to
    the other - "place them near each other with Wi-Fi turned on."

    Your TimeMachine back-up is irrelevant. No cables are needed!

    HTH

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to gordian240@hotmail.com on Sat Jan 15 10:37:58 2022
    In article <sruoba$7ip$1@dont-email.me>, Jim_Higgins
    <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:

    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data
    transfer at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to
    the new one. Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB?C)
    Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB?C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter".
    How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on
    how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    That article seems to be the same, what did I miss?

    Jim

    You missed that Apple recommends a diect transfer from one computer to
    the other - "place them near each other with Wi-Fi turned on."

    Your TimeMachine back-up is irrelevant. No cables are needed!

    HTH


    I did that once before long ago and it took a LONG time. Is it wrong, or slower, to use cables? BTW, thank you for the correction.

    do not use wifi for migration, ever.

    do not use ethernet either, although that is marginally tolerable.

    by far, the fastest method to migrate is from a time machine backup, a
    clone backup, or the old mac in target disk mode, whichever is most
    convenient and most up to date. get the appropriate cable and enjoy
    your new mac.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to David@invalid.invalid on Sat Jan 15 11:23:36 2022
    In article <xrCEJ.55650$Imt7.48589@fx09.ams1>, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 15/01/2022 15:37, nospam wrote:
    In article <sruoba$7ip$1@dont-email.me>, Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:

    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data
    transfer at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to >>>>> the new one. Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB?C) >>>>> Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB?C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter". >>>>> How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on >>>>> how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    That article seems to be the same, what did I miss?

    Jim

    You missed that Apple recommends a diect transfer from one computer to >>> the other - "place them near each other with Wi-Fi turned on."

    Your TimeMachine back-up is irrelevant. No cables are needed!

    HTH


    I did that once before long ago and it took a LONG time. Is it wrong, or >> slower, to use cables? BTW, thank you for the correction.

    do not use wifi for migration, ever.

    do not use ethernet either, although that is marginally tolerable.

    by far, the fastest method to migrate is from a time machine backup, a clone backup, or the old mac in target disk mode, whichever is most convenient and most up to date. get the appropriate cable and enjoy
    your new mac.

    Hold on!

    *YOU* are "just some bloke on the Internet" - some say a Troll!

    The Apple article is recent - Published Date: January 10, 2022 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204350

    Whyever should Jim do as YOU say as against what Apple recommends?

    it's not against what apple recommends.

    you're just far too stupid to understand how it works and lack the
    experience in knowing what options are available and which of them work
    the best.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jan 15 16:16:29 2022
    On 15/01/2022 15:37, nospam wrote:
    In article <sruoba$7ip$1@dont-email.me>, Jim_Higgins
    <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:

    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data
    transfer at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to
    the new one. Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB?C)
    Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB?C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter". >>>>> How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on >>>>> how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    That article seems to be the same, what did I miss?

    Jim

    You missed that Apple recommends a diect transfer from one computer to
    the other - "place them near each other with Wi-Fi  turned on."

    Your TimeMachine back-up is irrelevant. No cables are needed!

    HTH


    I did that once before long ago and it took a LONG time. Is it wrong, or
    slower, to use cables? BTW, thank you for the correction.

    do not use wifi for migration, ever.

    do not use ethernet either, although that is marginally tolerable.

    by far, the fastest method to migrate is from a time machine backup, a
    clone backup, or the old mac in target disk mode, whichever is most convenient and most up to date. get the appropriate cable and enjoy
    your new mac.

    Hold on!

    *YOU* are "just some bloke on the Internet" - some say a Troll!

    The Apple article is recent - Published Date: January 10, 2022 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204350

    Whyever should Jim do as YOU say as against what Apple recommends?

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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 18:54:55 2022
    Am 15.01.22 um 15:30 schrieb David Brooks:
    On 15/01/2022 13:57, Jim_Higgins wrote:
    On 1/15/22 8:23 AM, Jim_Higgins wrote:
    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data
    transfer at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to the
    new one. Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C)
    Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter".
    How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on
    how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    That article seems to be the same, what did I miss?

    Jim

    You missed that Apple recommends a diect transfer from one computer to
    the other - "place them near each other with Wi-Fi turned on."

    Your TimeMachine back-up is irrelevant. No cables are needed!


    Jim does not understand what the content of the article is.


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  • From Joerg Lorenz@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 15 18:57:42 2022
    Am 15.01.22 um 16:37 schrieb nospam:
    In article <sruoba$7ip$1@dont-email.me>, Jim_Higgins
    <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:

    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data
    transfer at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to
    the new one. Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB?C)
    Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB?C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter". >>>>> How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on >>>>> how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    That article seems to be the same, what did I miss?

    Jim

    You missed that Apple recommends a diect transfer from one computer to
    the other - "place them near each other with Wi-Fi  turned on."

    Your TimeMachine back-up is irrelevant. No cables are needed!

    HTH


    I did that once before long ago and it took a LONG time. Is it wrong, or
    slower, to use cables? BTW, thank you for the correction.

    do not use wifi for migration, ever.

    do not use ethernet either, although that is marginally tolerable.

    You are an anonymous Troll.
    Read the article. Worked several times for me in the past. Did you reach
    the point where you know better than Apple?


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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to gordian240@hotmail.com on Sat Jan 15 19:37:06 2022
    On 2022-01-15, Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 1/15/22 9:30 AM, David Brooks wrote:

    You missed that Apple recommends a diect transfer from one computer
    to the other - "place them near each other with Wi-Fi  turned on."

    Your TimeMachine back-up is irrelevant. No cables are needed!

    I did that once before long ago and it took a LONG time. Is it wrong,
    or slower, to use cables? BTW, thank you for the correction.

    You are right to question David and others who are suggesting using a
    network connection. It is indeed not only the slowest method, but also
    the most problematic, because network connectivity can easily be
    degraded and/or interrupted during the transfer process much more easily
    than with a Thunderbolt or other cable connection.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to nospam on Sat Jan 15 19:40:42 2022
    On 2022-01-15, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    do not use wifi for migration, ever.

    do not use ethernet either, although that is marginally tolerable.

    This is good advice.

    by far, the fastest method to migrate is from a time machine backup, a
    clone backup, or the old mac in target disk mode, whichever is most convenient and most up to date. get the appropriate cable and enjoy
    your new mac.

    This has been my experience as well. Typically, I just plug the backup
    drive into the new machine and let setup assistant transfer my data from
    the backup drive.

    If you have a Thunderbolt cable handy, a direct connection between the
    two Macs works well too, and can potentially be even faster when the
    startup drive of either/both Macs is an SSD.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 16 08:49:44 2022
    On 2022-01-15 13:23:27 +0000, Jim_Higgins said:

    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data transfer
    at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to the new one.
    Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C)
    Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter".
    How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on
    how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    My personal recommendation is never transfer anything in this sense.
    You've got a brand new computer with a freshly installed MacOS.
    Transferring all the old stuff across will give you a load of garbage
    that you almost certainly never use and some of may not work at all
    (old 32-bit apps for example).

    The best option is to simply use the new computer, install fresh copies (perferably the latest version) of the apps you want, and then
    *manually* transfer anything you find *really* need. If you selling or
    trashing / recycling the old computer, then make a backup copy first so
    you can still access those old items should you need to.

    This is especially true when moving from an old hard drive based Mac to
    a new SSD based Mac, where you can often have a lot less storage space
    on the system drive.

    Between the same two devices, a cabled connection will usually be
    faster than a wireless one.


    As an example, I recently set-up a new computer for someone.
    Transferring their email Conatcts list would have been a complete waste
    of time - they had over 700, many of which were very outdated (their
    mail host no longer even exists!).

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to gordian240@hotmail.com on Sat Jan 15 19:34:30 2022
    On 2022-01-15, Jim_Higgins <gordian240@hotmail.com> wrote:
    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data transfer
    at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to the new one.
    Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter". How
    useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on how
    I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    Others here recommending using a network (WiFi) connection should be
    ignored, as that's the least reliable connectivity method and will
    definitely be slower than using a Thunderbolt cable.

    But you may not even need a Thunderbolt cable to connect the computers directly. If you have an existing Time Machine backup on an external
    drive, you can simply connect that backup drive to the new Mac to
    transfer your data to the new Mac. And if the backup drive is connected
    with a reasonably fast interface (USB-C, Thunderbolt, etc), the transfer
    will be more reliable and faster than using network connectivity.

    When you first start up the new Mac, the setup assistant will ask if you
    want to transfer your data from another Mac or Time Machine backup
    drive. If the backup drive is connected, you can simply select it and
    proceed to transfer all of your data over to the new Mac.

    Otherwise, using a Thunderbolt cable to connect the two Macs and
    selecting "transfer from another Mac" will result in a transfer that is
    indeed very fast and problem-free, without involving your backup drive
    at all.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Sat Jan 15 19:48:38 2022
    On 2022-01-15, David Brooks <David@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 15/01/2022 15:37, nospam wrote:

    by far, the fastest method to migrate is from a time machine backup,
    a clone backup, or the old mac in target disk mode, whichever is most
    convenient and most up to date. get the appropriate cable and enjoy
    your new mac.

    Hold on!

    *YOU* are "just some bloke on the Internet" - some say a Troll!

    Some say the same about you. And they are correct.

    The Apple article is recent - Published Date: January 10, 2022 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204350

    Whyever should Jim do as YOU say as against what Apple recommends?

    It's not against what Apple recommends.

    There are multiple methods you can use to transfer information from one
    Mac to another.

    The reason Apple mentions WiFi on their website is because it's simpler
    to use an existing WiFi network than it is to use a Thunderbolt cable
    that users may not have.

    Another method is transferring the information over a wired
    (Thunderbolt) connection from one Mac directly to another Mac. This is typically the fastest way to do it, but requires that you actually have
    (a) a Thunderbolt cable, and (b) Thunderbolt-capable ports on each Mac
    in question - two things a lot of people don't have at their disposal.

    Another method is transferring the information from a Time Machine
    backup drive (or a clone of the old Mac) to the new Mac over the backup
    drive interface cable. This is the method I use most, simply because I
    already happen to have the backup drive handy when I am setting up a new
    Mac, and it's more accessible than digging out a Thunderbolt cable for a
    direct Mac-to-Mac connection.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sat Jan 15 20:10:36 2022
    On 2022-01-15, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 2022-01-15 13:23:27 +0000, Jim_Higgins said:

    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data
    transfer at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to
    the new one. Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3
    (USB‑C) Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) to
    Thunderbolt 2 Adapter". How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on
    how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    My personal recommendation is never transfer anything in this sense.

    That's horrible advice that will result in you manually setting up user accounts, network connectivity, system settings, application installs, application settings, and so on. You will spend a *lot* more time
    setting up your computer as a result, with a high risk forgetting to
    copy important data from the old machine to the new one.

    You've got a brand new computer with a freshly installed MacOS.
    Transferring all the old stuff across will give you a load of garbage
    that you almost certainly never use and some of may not work at all
    (old 32-bit apps for example).

    Nonsense.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Sat Jan 15 14:56:03 2022
    In article <srv8go$b4p$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
    <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:


    My personal recommendation is never transfer anything in this sense.

    bad suggestion.

    You've got a brand new computer with a freshly installed MacOS.
    Transferring all the old stuff across will give you a load of garbage

    it does not.

    that you almost certainly never use and some of may not work at all
    (old 32-bit apps for example).

    unused apps and ancillary files do not cause problems.

    The best option is to simply use the new computer, install fresh copies (perferably the latest version) of the apps you want, and then
    *manually* transfer anything you find *really* need. If you selling or trashing / recycling the old computer, then make a backup copy first so
    you can still access those old items should you need to.

    that option is the most amount of effort, for no benefit

    This is especially true when moving from an old hard drive based Mac to
    a new SSD based Mac, where you can often have a lot less storage space
    on the system drive.

    new computers are likely to have more space than an older one,
    regardless of ssd.

    Between the same two devices, a cabled connection will usually be
    faster than a wireless one.

    that is correct.

    As an example, I recently set-up a new computer for someone.
    Transferring their email Conatcts list would have been a complete waste
    of time - they had over 700, many of which were very outdated (their
    mail host no longer even exists!).

    a waste of a couple of seconds. oh no.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Joerg Lorenz on Sat Jan 15 19:54:41 2022
    On 2022-01-15, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
    Am 15.01.22 um 16:37 schrieb nospam:

    do not use wifi for migration, ever.

    do not use ethernet either, although that is marginally tolerable.

    You are an anonymous Troll.

    Ad hominem attacks are trolling.

    Read the article.

    Read these articles, both of which indicate that WiFi is *not* the only
    method you can use to transfer data between two Macs:

    <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203981>

    ---
    Restore your Mac from a backup

    Use Migration Assistant to transfer files from your Time Machine backup
    to your Mac.

    If you made a Time Machine backup of your Mac, Migration Assistant can
    use that backup to restore your personal files, including apps and
    everything in your user account.
    ---

    <https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/transfer-files-mac-computers-target-disk-mode-mchlp1443/mac>

    ---
    Transfer files between two Mac computers using target disk mode

    If you have two Mac computers with USB, USB-C, or Thunderbolt ports, you
    can connect them so that one of them appears as an external hard disk on
    the other. This is called target disk mode.
    ---

    Worked several times for me in the past.

    "Worked several times" does not equate to "best method of transferring
    data between two computers". Network transfers are the least reliable
    and typically the slowest method.

    Did you reach the point where you know better than Apple?

    Nothing he said goes against Apple's recommendat
  • From Chris Ridd@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sun Jan 16 21:21:45 2022
    On 15/01/2022 19:49, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-01-15 13:23:27 +0000, Jim_Higgins said:

    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data
    transfer at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to the
    new one. Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C)
    Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter". >> How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on
    how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    My personal recommendation is never transfer anything in this sense.
    You've got a brand new computer with a freshly installed MacOS.
    Transferring all the old stuff across will give you a load of garbage
    that you almost certainly never use and some of may not work at all (old 32-bit apps for example).

    The best option is to simply use the new computer, install fresh copies (perferably the latest version) of the apps you want, and then
    *manually* transfer anything you find *really* need. If you selling or trashing / recycling the old computer, then make a backup copy first so
    you can still access those old items should you need to.

    There's certainly an argument for doing this, especially if the machine
    you're transferring from doesn't have up-to-date apps. I did this going
    from a Core2 Duo machine to an M1 Pro. Yes, the new machine is a bit
    faster ;-)

    Getting rid of cruft is nice. Very Marie Kondo.

    Don't forget Apple's Migration Assistant can be run after you're up and running.

    As an example, I recently set-up a new computer for someone.
    Transferring their email Conatcts list would have been a complete waste
    of time - they had over 700, many of which were very outdated (their
    mail host no longer even exists!).

    That's not a great example. You've saved copying maybe a megabyte tops
    of data?

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 16 16:34:18 2022
    In article <ss2299$1p5$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com>
    wrote:

    Don't forget Apple's Migration Assistant can be run after you're up and running.

    it can, but that's almost always a very bad idea.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jan 16 17:45:18 2022
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ss29nh$9j$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
    <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    But the size of the transferred files can also be another reason not to lazily transfer everything ... especially these days where Apple is now using internal SSDs instead of hard drives (trying to transfer a 1TB
    hard drive to a 256GB SSD is going to be "difficult", even excluding
    the actual OS system files).

    anyone who buys a mac with 256gb ssd when they have 1tb to copy has
    only themselves to blame.

    the largest capacity is currently 8tb. it's not cheap, but some people
    do want that much internal storage.

    Yeah especially from huge internal HDDs to tiny SSDs. :/
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jan 16 17:44:35 2022
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <ss2299$1p5$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Ridd <chrisridd@mac.com> wrote:

    Don't forget Apple's Migration Assistant can be run after you're up and running.

    it can, but that's almost always a very bad idea.

    Why is a very bad idea? I never had issues. I just don't copy everything.
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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Chris Ridd on Mon Jan 17 12:28:49 2022
    On 2022-01-16 21:21:45 +0000, Chris Ridd said:
    On 15/01/2022 19:49, Your Name wrote:
    On 2022-01-15 13:23:27 +0000, Jim_Higgins said:

    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data transfer
    at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to the new one.
    Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C)
    Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter".
    How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on
    how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

    My personal recommendation is never transfer anything in this sense.
    You've got a brand new computer with a freshly installed MacOS.
    Transferring all the old stuff across will give you a load of garbage
    that you almost certainly never use and some of may not work at all
    (old 32-bit apps for example).

    The best option is to simply use the new computer, install fresh copies
    (perferably the latest version) of the apps you want, and then
    *manually* transfer anything you find *really* need. If you're selling
    or trashing / recycling the old computer, then make a backup copy first
    so you can still access those old items should you need to.

    There's certainly an argument for doing this, especially if the machine you're transferring from doesn't have up-to-date apps. I did this going
    from a Core2 Duo machine to an M1 Pro. Yes, the new machine is a bit
    faster ;-)

    Getting rid of cruft is nice. Very Marie Kondo.

    Don't forget Apple's Migration Assistant can be run after you're up and running.

    Migration Assitant can be run after setting up a new computer, but it's
    best to use it *during* the set-up process, if you're going to at all.
    Doing it afterwards can cause issues with things like non-matching
    account permissions.

    The vast majority of stuff most people collect on their drives is
    simply never even looked at again, let alone used.



    As an example, I recently set-up a new computer for someone.
    Transferring their email Conatcts list would have been a complete waste
    of time - they had over 700, many of which were very outdated (their
    mail host no longer even exists!).

    That's not a great example. You've saved copying maybe a megabyte tops of data?

    It wasn't really a comment on the size of the file, but the fact that
    it was a waste of time and effort since 99.9% of those contacts aren't
    even used - an example of transferrring useless old cruft. Rather than bothering to copy it across or even go through deleting unwanted
    entries, it is far easier to simply start fresh with a blank contact
    list and enter ones they do want as needed. (In that particular example
    it would have also meant converting it from MacOS Contacts to Windoze
    Outlook address book.)

    But the size of the transferred files can also be another reason not to
    lazily transfer everything ... especially these days where Apple is now
    using internal SSDs instead of hard drives (trying to transfer a 1TB
    hard drive to a 256GB SSD is going to be "difficult", even excluding
    the actual OS system files).

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Sun Jan 16 18:32:02 2022
    In article <ss29nh$9j$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
    <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    But the size of the transferred files can also be another reason not to lazily transfer everything ... especially these days where Apple is now
    using internal SSDs instead of hard drives (trying to transfer a 1TB
    hard drive to a 256GB SSD is going to be "difficult", even excluding
    the actual OS system files).

    anyone who buys a mac with 256gb ssd when they have 1tb to copy has
    only themselves to blame.

    the largest capacity is currently 8tb. it's not cheap, but some people
    do want that much internal storage.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ant@zimage.comANT on Sun Jan 16 18:46:57 2022
    In article <Uv-dnTzOcZSTM3n8nZ2dnUU7-eOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    But the size of the transferred files can also be another reason not to lazily transfer everything ... especially these days where Apple is now using internal SSDs instead of hard drives (trying to transfer a 1TB
    hard drive to a 256GB SSD is going to be "difficult", even excluding
    the actual OS system files).

    anyone who buys a mac with 256gb ssd when they have 1tb to copy has
    only themselves to blame.

    the largest capacity is currently 8tb. it's not cheap, but some people
    do want that much internal storage.

    Yeah especially from huge internal HDDs to tiny SSDs. :/

    they're not that tiny anymore. macbook pros start at 512gb.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jan 16 23:33:36 2022
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <Uv-dnT3OcZR-MHn8nZ2dnUU7-eOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Don't forget Apple's Migration Assistant can be run after you're up and running.

    it can, but that's almost always a very bad idea.

    Why is a very bad idea? I never had issues. I just don't copy everything.

    it will create a new account, causing a mismatch in user ids.

    Interesting. I migrated the old non-admin (made a new admin account to
    start clean) accounts over and haven't seen any errors? When do the
    issues come up?

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to nospam on Sun Jan 16 23:44:32 2022
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <Uv-dnTzOcZSTM3n8nZ2dnUU7-eOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    But the size of the transferred files can also be another reason not to lazily transfer everything ... especially these days where Apple is now using internal SSDs instead of hard drives (trying to transfer a 1TB hard drive to a 256GB SSD is going to be "difficult", even excluding the actual OS system files).

    anyone who buys a mac with 256gb ssd when they have 1tb to copy has
    only themselves to blame.

    the largest capacity is currently 8tb. it's not cheap, but some people
    do want that much internal storage.

    Yeah especially from huge internal HDDs to tiny SSDs. :/

    they're not that tiny anymore. macbook pros start at 512gb.

    Still too small IMO. :P
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ant@zimage.comANT on Mon Jan 17 05:26:12 2022
    In article <ivudneQSsYLdn3j8nZ2dnUU7-L2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Yeah especially from huge internal HDDs to tiny SSDs. :/

    they're not that tiny anymore. macbook pros start at 512gb.

    Still too small IMO. :P

    the largest is currently 8tb. it's not cheap.

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  • From Dr Eberhard Lisse@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 18 11:08:29 2022
    Jim,

    I did something similar, and encountered an issue because the
    backups/machines did not have exactly the same MacOs versions. Once
    that was done, no drama.

    el

    On 15/01/2022 15:23, Jim_Higgins wrote:
    I willl be buying a new M-1 24" Silver iMac and doing the data
    transfer at home from a full Time Machine Backup of the old Mac to the
    new one. Apple Care+.

    There are two accessories I was looking at: "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C)
    Cable (0.8 m)" and "Thunderbolt 3 (USB‑C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter".
    How useful would these two be?

    Has anyone had any problems doing this or do you have suggestions on
    how I should go about this?

    Thank you.

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  • From Dr Eberhard Lisse@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Jan 18 11:16:14 2022
    The issue can come up when you install your new computer and use the
    same user name as on the old one.

    So, when setting up the new one I usually create a temporary account and
    bang the other stuff from the old one more or less totally.

    It may work properly if you only restore some stuff from the old
    machine's account, but, see above.

    There is absolutely nothing wrong to once in a while install a machine
    from scratch and update your handbook (if any :-)-O) while you are doing
    it so you keep up with changes. Patience is a virtue :-)-O

    greetings, el

    On 17/01/2022 07:33, Ant wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <Uv-dnT3OcZR-MHn8nZ2dnUU7-eOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
    <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Don't forget Apple's Migration Assistant can be run after you're
    up and running.

    it can, but that's almost always a very bad idea.

    Why is a very bad idea? I never had issues. I just don't copy
    everything.

    it will create a new account, causing a mismatch in user ids.

    Interesting. I migrated the old non-admin (made a new admin account
    to start clean) accounts over and haven't seen any errors? When do
    the issues come up?


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  • From Dr Eberhard Lisse@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Jan 18 11:18:24 2022
    My M1 Airbook has 2TB which is quite enough for my travels :-)-O

    el

    On 17/01/2022 07:44, Ant wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    [...]
    they're not that tiny anymore. macbook pros start at 512gb.

    Still too small IMO. :P

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