• Re: password no longer works One more idea

    From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 5 13:44:56 2021
    In article <soj074$169c$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
    wrote:


    Since the owner is in no rush and can't even pick it up until after the holidays, I just thought of something.

    In the past, I've reset Apple machines by simply popping the drive into
    my Linux machine and deleting /var/db/.AppleSetupDone

    that won't fix the problem you described, which is obviously not
    something you've had in the past. it will also create more problems.

    you were told how to resolve it. why are you ignoring that advice?

    I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
    fit into a PC NVMe slot.

    Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
    only takes the shorter ones.

    it's a custom apple ssd that's much faster than the usual m.2 nvme ssds.

    Anyone know of an adapter that would work?

    <https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/MAU3ENVOYPRO/>

    even with that, it may not be readable in linux, depending on how it's formatted and in particular, if it's encrypted.

    if it has a firmware password, there's a very good chance it's also
    encrypted.

    if not, you would be able to copy her data and reformat it for its
    eventual resale.

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  • From philo@21:1/5 to philo on Sun Dec 5 12:25:39 2021
    On 12/2/21 8:06 PM, philo wrote:
    A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She claims
    she never changed her password and that it happened after she linked it
    to her phone.
    All she can do is log-in as guest.

    I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the normal reset procedures.

    Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?



    Since the owner is in no rush and can't even pick it up until after the holidays, I just thought of something.

    In the past, I've reset Apple machines by simply popping the drive into
    my Linux machine and deleting /var/db/.AppleSetupDone


    I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
    fit into a PC NVMe slot.

    Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
    only takes the shorter ones.


    Anyone know of an adapter that would work?

    Apple NVMe to standard SSD.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Sun Dec 5 16:01:29 2021
    In article <soj89p$11tm$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
    <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    On 2021-12-05 18:25:39 +0000, philo said:
    I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
    fit into a PC NVMe slot.

    Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
    only takes the shorter ones.


    Anyone know of an adapter that would work?

    Apple NVMe to standard SSD.

    In more and more of its devices, Apple has been soldering the drives
    (and RAM) to the motherboard as well as making the cases
    near-impossible to open,

    so have other manufacturers.

    so this isn't likely going to work ... unless
    you've got expert electronics soldering skills.

    it's a 2012-13 macbook pro and very easy. he's already opened it and
    noted its form factor.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to philo on Mon Dec 6 09:43:38 2021
    On 2021-12-05 18:25:39 +0000, philo said:

    On 12/2/21 8:06 PM, philo wrote:
    A friend brought over her Macbook which she is locked out of. She
    claims she never changed her password and that it happened after she
    linked it to her phone.
    All she can do is log-in as guest.

    I found that the machine has a BIOS lock so I cannot perform any of the
    normal reset procedures.

    Before I have her take it to the Apple store...anything else I should try?

    Since the owner is in no rush and can't even pick it up until after the holidays, I just thought of something.

    In the past, I've reset Apple machines by simply popping the drive into
    my Linux machine and deleting /var/db/.AppleSetupDone


    I could not do that with this Macbook because the Apple NVMe will not
    fit into a PC NVMe slot.

    Even if it did, my Linux machine would not accommodate 3.5" NVMe, it
    only takes the shorter ones.


    Anyone know of an adapter that would work?

    Apple NVMe to standard SSD.

    In more and more of its devices, Apple has been soldering the drives
    (and RAM) to the motherboard as well as making the cases
    near-impossible to open, so this isn't likely going to work ... unless
    you've got expert electronics soldering skills.

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Your Name on Sun Dec 5 22:56:04 2021
    On 2021-12-05, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    In more and more of its devices, Apple has been soldering the drives
    (and RAM) to the motherboard as well as making the cases
    near-impossible to open, so this isn't likely going to work ... unless
    you've got expert electronics soldering skills.

    Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
    And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver as
    well, as shown here:

    <https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>

    Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong? It's
    obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products, and you constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are like the
    annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete nuisance that everyone wishes would just go away already.

    --
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    JR

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  • From philo@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Sun Dec 5 18:10:54 2021
    .


    On 12/5/21 4:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

    <Troll in killfile snipped>

    Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
    And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver as well, as shown here:

    <https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>

    Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong? It's obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products, and you constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are like the annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete nuisance that everyone wishes would just go away already.




    I now have two nyms in my kf, I suspect the same person.

    I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB adapter.



    One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
    end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
    if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
    been met by stirring up brain cells

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 5 20:44:24 2021
    In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
    wrote:

    .

    I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB adapter.

    what you plan to do is not going to work.

    One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
    end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
    if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
    been met by stirring up brain cells

    you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Jolly Roger on Mon Dec 6 14:38:12 2021
    On 12/5/21 4:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

    <Troll in killfile snipped>

    Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
    And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver as well, as shown here:

    <https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>


    Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong? It's obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products, and you constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are like the annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete nuisance that everyone wishes would just go away already.

    Presumably the argumentative village f'wit for brains is replying to my
    post and yet again proves his reading comprehension skills are
    absolutely non-existant.

    Where exactly did I say even remotely say that "none" of Apple devices
    were openable or "none" of the drives were removeable?? Oh, that's
    right, I didn't. No wonder the idiot is in my killfile. :-\

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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Dec 6 02:39:12 2021
    On 2021-12-06, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
    On 12/5/21 4:56 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:

    <Troll in killfile snipped>

    Nonsense. MacBook Pro cases can are easily opened with a screwdriver.
    And the SSD used in this model is easily removable with a screwdriver
    as well, as shown here:

    <https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/MacBook+Pro+15-Inch+Retina+Display+Mid+2015+SSD+Replacement/48251>
    Why do you open your big mouth when you are so consistently wrong?
    It's obvious you know next to nothing about modern Apple products,
    and you constantly spew misguided disinformation about them. You are
    like the annoying little fruit fly buzzing around being a complete
    nuisance that everyone wishes would just go away already.

    Where exactly did I say even remotely say that "none" of Apple devices
    were openable or "none" of the drives were removeable?? Oh, that's
    right, I didn't.

    You ended your bullshit post with this gem:

    this isn't likely going to work ... unless you've got expert
    electronics soldering skills.

    It's complete bullshit, and you're not fooling anyone here.

    --
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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Dec 6 11:31:50 2021
    On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:
    In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
    wrote:

    .

    I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB
    adapter.

    what you plan to do is not going to work.

    One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
    end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so
    if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
    been met by stirring up brain cells

    you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.


    Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

    Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
    learned. He's a good man.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to DavidB@invalid.E-S on Mon Dec 6 11:18:01 2021
    In article <soksb6$85s$3@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>, David Brooks <DavidB@invalid.E-S> wrote:

    I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB >> adapter.

    what you plan to do is not going to work.

    One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
    end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so >> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
    been met by stirring up brain cells

    you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.


    Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

    i'm not the one who is being rude.

    he claims to have a mac with a forgotten password and was told how to
    resolve it by those who have had 30+ years using macs.

    initially it was just the admin password, but he later changed the
    story to be a firmware password, as he continually moved the goalposts
    so that he could claim the original answers were wrong (not the first
    time he's done that).

    he rudely rejected all of the advice given and thinks he can come up
    with a solution on his own. he cannot.

    by his own admission, he doesn't know what he's doing.

    there are only two solutions, both of which have been discussed.

    there are *no* other options to remove a firmware password, which is
    what makes a firmware password secure.

    his plan to remove a single file on the ssd to reset the firmware
    password is not only guaranteed to fail, but it's also absurd. it's a *firmware* password, which is not stored on a user-writeable file
    system.

    there would be very little reason to use a firmware password if it
    could be easily reset.

    in fact, on recent macs (not the one he has), it's possible to disable
    the ability for apple to reset the firmware password entirely, which
    means if it's forgotten, the logic board is completely useless. this
    setting is optional and warns the user of the risks before activating
    it. it does not apply in his situation, but i mention it to show just
    how secure firmware passwords can be.

    he also plans to remove the file using a linux box, which has limited
    support for mac file systems, and if he corrupts the ssd in the process
    (a non-zero risk), things are going to be much worse.

    he is going to use an adapter he bought online, which may or may not
    work. some of them are junk.

    removing the file he said he wants to remove will cause the setup
    process to be re-run, which will then create a brand new empty user
    account, without any of her files. this is also bad.

    he is experimenting with someone else's computer.

    hopefully she is not paying him anything. that would be criminal. he
    should be paying her.

    not only is he (and you) being rude to those here who are legitimately
    trying to help, despite his story continually changing, but he is also
    being rude to the person who brought him the macbook.

    Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
    learned.

    nonsense. he knows next to nothing about macs. nor do you for that
    matter.

    in another recent thread, he insisted a drive pulled from a mac se was
    mfs which is not possible. he made numerous incorrect claims about mac
    file systems even after multiple links to apple's knowledgebase proved
    him wrong. he claimed to have found some secret link that claims there
    are two versions of hfs. not surprisingly, he kept it a secret, because
    it doesn't exist.

    he asks questions, then changes the story so that he can claim the
    original answers were wrong. it's a pattern i've noticed over the
    years. it appears to be intentional.

    He's a good man.

    no he isn't, nor are you.

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Dec 6 20:02:03 2021
    On 06/12/2021 19:39, Your Name wrote:
    On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:
    On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:
    In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
    wrote:
    .

    I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to
    USB
    adapter.

    what you plan to do is not going to work.

    One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
    end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new
    answers...so
    if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
    been met by stirring up brain cells

    you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

    Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

    Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
    learned. He's a good man.

    nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
    village idiots in my killfile.


    Hmmm!

    A question he failed to answer:-

    //For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
    forums without using their correct Apple ID? - i.e. the one showing on
    their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//

    Can YOU answer it, 'Your Name'?

    Thanks if you can.

    --
    David

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Tue Dec 7 08:39:45 2021
    On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:
    On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:
    In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
    wrote:
    .

    I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB >>> adapter.

    what you plan to do is not going to work.

    One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
    end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so >>> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has
    been met by stirring up brain cells

    you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

    Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

    Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
    learned. He's a good man.

    nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
    village idiots in my killfile.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to David Brooks on Tue Dec 7 09:17:13 2021
    On 2021-12-06 20:02:03 +0000, David Brooks said:
    On 06/12/2021 19:39, Your Name wrote:
    On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:
    On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:
    In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net>
    wrote:
    .

    I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2 to USB >>>>> adapter.

    what you plan to do is not going to work.

    One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead
    end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new answers...so >>>>> if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has >>>>> been met by stirring up brain cells

    you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

    Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

    Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
    learned. He's a good man.

    nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
    village idiots in my killfile.


    Hmmm!

    A question he failed to answer:-

    //For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
    forums without using their correct Apple ID? - i.e. the one showing on
    their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//

    Can YOU answer it, 'Your Name'?

    Thanks if you can.

    No idea since I don't use the ASC forums (other than a quick visit if
    it turns up as a possible solution when Google searching something).
    The ASC forums might even pre-date "Apple ID".

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  • From David Brooks@21:1/5 to Your Name on Mon Dec 6 22:55:12 2021
    On 06/12/2021 20:17, Your Name wrote:
    On 2021-12-06 20:02:03 +0000, David Brooks said:
    On 06/12/2021 19:39, Your Name wrote:
    On 2021-12-06 11:31:50 +0000, David Brooks said:
    On 06/12/2021 01:44, nospam wrote:
    In article <sojkef$1rci$1@gioia.aioe.org>, philo <philo@privacy.net> >>>>> wrote:
    .

    I have the drive out of the machine and will probably order an M2
    to USB
    adapter.

    what you plan to do is not going to work.

    One of the main reasons I post here is that when I run into a dead >>>>>> end...and I ask a question...my mind starts thinking of new
    answers...so
    if I get help here...fine...but if not, chances are my objective has >>>>>> been met by stirring up brain cells

    you did get help here and then rejected it, as you usually do.

    Why are you so VERY rude to people here. 'no spam'?

    Philo has probably forgotten more about computing that you have ever
    learned. He's a good man.

    nospam hasn't ever learned anything, that's why it's another of the
    village idiots in my killfile.


    Hmmm!

    A question he failed to answer:-

    //For how long have you been aware that people may 'log on' to the ASC
    forums without using their correct Apple ID?  - i.e. the one showing on
    their iPhone, iPad and Apple computer?//

    Can YOU answer it, 'Your Name'?

    Thanks if you can.

    No idea since I don't use the ASC forums (other than a quick visit if it turns up as a possible solution when Google searching something). The
    ASC forums might even pre-date "Apple ID".

    To post on the ASC forums one MUST use an Apple ID - but it can be a
    false one.

    People using the ASC forums TRUST the posted links because the perceive
    that they are safe - protected by the big Apple umbrella.
    BUT - They are NOT
    protected from unscrupulous 'bad guys' who can use an invalid Apple ID
    to log-in.

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