• Your childhood days with Apple 2 days...

    From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 23 23:59:11 2021
    During my days, they were required during middle/junior high schools. I
    had an awesome teacher (Mr. Mangel -- no idea if he is still alive today
    since I couldn't find him online) in sixth and junior high/middle school
    days with his Apple 2s. He taught classes on how to use computers,
    softwares, hardwares, LOGO (even used a wired robot turtle that plotted
    on giant floor papers), edutainments, etc.

    My loving folks bought a family Apple //c. I bought and used the newer
    LOGO versions, Dazzle Draw, programmed in BASIC, played too many games
    and edutainment (was I really learning? :P), etc.

    What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
    answering. :)
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  • From Specie@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 24 07:39:57 2021
    Ant,

    What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
    answering. :)

    Personal Computers were just a dream in Alan Turing’s eye when I went to school...

    Cheers - Speccie

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  • From Scott Alfter@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Sep 24 21:57:09 2021
    In article <6dadnZEej5mCxtD8nZ2dnUU7-bnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
    answering. :)

    I started with a TI-99/4A in 1983, but support for those was dropped soon
    after and it was going to be too expensive to upgrade it to where it could
    do truly useful stuff, so it was put to the side and replaced with a IIe a couple of years later.

    As for school, DoDDS (think "school district for military brats overseas")
    had standardized on the Atari 8-bit computer line, so those were what was in the school computer labs. The guidance counselor at Croughton Middle School brought in her personal IIe, though, and we got to play Lode Runner on it
    from time to time. The electronics lab at Kaiserslautern High School
    managed to get a IIGS when they were fairly new...got to fool around with
    that years before I upgraded my own machine. At the same school, the Air
    Force JROTC squadron had a German-spec IIe. That one caught me out when it
    was swapping Ys and Zs because whoever used it last had left it set to
    German (which put the keyboard in QWERTZ mode and replaced [, ], \, etc.
    with Ä, Ö, Ü, etc.).

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  • From magnusfalkirk@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Sep 25 06:57:27 2021
    On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 11:59:17 PM UTC-5, Ant wrote:

    What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
    answering. :)
    --
    I was in the Air Force, stationed at George AFB in Calif when I got started in the dark ages, 1980, with a TRS-80 model I that had 16kb of memory and a cassette drive. Two years later I picked up an Apple ][+, sold the TRS-80 to an older brother. In 1985
    I bought an Apple //e "enhanced" system and sold the ][+ to a friend. In 1994 bought a //GS system (the //e went with the ex-wife). Got into the Mac world in 1996. Unintentionally killed the GS in 2002. Got back into the Apple II, via emulation on the
    Mac, in 2004. And now have both an Apple //c+, with a recently acquired FloppyEMU, and A GS with a CFFA3K.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Scott Alfter on Sat Sep 25 21:55:26 2021
    Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us> wrote:
    In article <6dadnZEej5mCxtD8nZ2dnUU7-bnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
    answering. :)

    I started with a TI-99/4A in 1983, but support for those was dropped soon after and it was going to be too expensive to upgrade it to where it could
    do truly useful stuff, so it was put to the side and replaced with a IIe a couple of years later.

    I had that too. My very first computer. I was scared to use it until I discovered it could play games like TI Invaders, Parsec, Munch Man,
    Tombstone, etc. And then, they got me an Apple //c. :D
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  • From Jeff Blakeney@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 26 09:06:07 2021
    I was a Canadian military brat. In 1981 we moved back to CFB Borden,
    Ontario and I started grade 9. At the time, the only computer classes
    were for grade 11 students and up. Because I was so good at math, my
    math teacher figured I'd do well with computers so he introduced me to
    them. He used to take me into the computer lab and people got used to
    seeing me there so never questioned my presence. I borrowed a text book
    on Waterloo Structured BASIC from the grade 11 teacher, read it and have
    been programming ever since.

    I used Commodore PET and 8032 machines and a TRS-80 Model I. Because my
    older brother and I were both into computers, our parents bought a
    TRS-80 Colour Computer. I kept eyeing the TRS-80 Model IV as the
    machine I wanted. The school even started a data processing computer
    course for grade 10 students when I started grade 10.

    In 1983 my family was posted to Lahr, West Germany. My older brother
    was going to college so I gave him my half of the computer for his half
    of our Dungeons and Dragons stuff. After moving, I came extremely close
    to getting a Commodore 64 as the Canadian Forces Exchange didn't have a
    lot of choice. In October they got in Apple IIe systems and I bought
    some magazines and played with demo machine at the store. I ended up
    making a deal with my parents to give up my allowance and promised to
    pay back the cost of the system and, on my older brother's birthday
    (thankfully he was back in Canada), I brought home a 64K, unenhanced
    Apple IIe, with Monitor II green screen and a single Disk ][ drive.

    The store didn't have any software in stock yet so I ended up writing a
    lot of my early stuff including a lo-res version of Berzerk (which was unfortunately deleted by my younger brother).

    My first job was a summer position helping a Canadian organization with
    their accounts payable (typing cheques and filing paperwork) in the
    mornings and writing a custom program for them on a TRS-80 Model II with
    8 inch floppies in the afternoons. I later got a part time position in
    the computer/camera department of the store where I bought my computer.

    Those were fun days. I haven't done much programming in the past 10
    years but I'm looking at doing more recreational programming again soon.

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  • From Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 09:45:41 2021
    Groovy hepcat Ant was jivin' in comp.sys.apple2 on Fri, 24 Sep 2021
    02:59 pm. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

    During my days, they were required during middle/junior high schools.
    I had an awesome teacher (Mr. Mangel -- no idea if he is still alive
    today since I couldn't find him online) in sixth and junior
    high/middle school days with his Apple 2s. He taught classes on how to
    use computers, softwares, hardwares, LOGO (even used a wired robot
    turtle that plotted on giant floor papers), edutainments, etc.

    My loving folks bought a family Apple //c. I bought and used the newer
    LOGO versions, Dazzle Draw, programmed in BASIC, played too many games
    and edutainment (was I really learning? :P), etc.

    What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
    answering. :)

    My first foray into the world of computers was in the early '80s in
    science class at school. The lab had TRS-80s. I can't recall which
    model - probably I or II. In year 7 (grade 7 to you North American
    types) we weren't allowed to touch them, but in year 8 some of us were
    lucky enough to be plonked in front of a computer with a lame, crappy
    tutorial program that failed to properly explain how BASIC worked.
    Still, I knew then that I was destined to be a compunerd forever!
    A year or two later I changed schools. The new school had a
    Micromation with 4 dumb terminals and two 8' floppy drives, some Apple
    IIes and the maths teacher's IBM PC (WOWEE!) Only the very lucky few
    (ie. not me :( ) got access to the PC. I always seemed to be stuck on
    the Micromation. This machine had an irksome (for me) little quirk.
    Some of the trouble making students on the other terminals would send irritating messages to my terminal, interrupting my work. I was there
    to learn about computers and junk. They were only there to piss-fart
    around, thinking computer class was just a goof-off session.
    Unfortunately, no matter how I begged, my parents wouldn't buy me a
    computer. And saving for one would've taken me 350 years on the piddly allowance they gave me. I would've been pickled tink with any brand,
    any model, anything. Just so I could learn to program. But no dice!
    Thanks for nothing, Mum & Dad!
    In the late '80s I did buy my first computer with my first dole
    cheque. It was a Sharp PC-1248 pocket computer. This thing has no known
    uses! It can only be programmed in BASIC (which, by this stage, I had
    come to truly hate), and a rather lame and pissy version of BASIC at
    that.
    In the '90s Mum had an Apple IIc for when she brought work home. When
    she got a PC a year or so later, she gave me the Apple for Xmas or
    B'day (I don't remember which). I'm still learning on that Apple (as
    well as a host of other machines). Cool! And now I'd kill for that ol' Micromation. :)

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  • From YK@21:1/5 to Specie on Sun Oct 3 21:18:00 2021
    On 9/24/21 2:39 AM, Specie wrote:
    Ant,

    What about the rest of you? Thank you for reading and hopefully
    answering. :)

    Personal Computers were just a dream in Alan Turing’s eye when I went to school...

    Cheers - Speccie


    When I was in school the computer sat on the top of the neck and the
    printer was either a BIC ball point or a Ticonderoga #2. Ball point
    delete button was nil and a red rubber one on the Ticonderoga.

    I paid $85 for my first non-scientific calculator 8 years after I
    graduated from high school, when I returned to college. It was 1/2 price
    close out at Radio Shack. I was about the size of an iPad mini and had
    (ready for this?) rechargeable replaceable AA batteries!. I did use it
    for almost 20 years after I bought it.

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  • From Speccie@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 4 08:58:29 2021
    YK wrote:

    When I was in school the computer sat on the top of the neck and the
    printer was either a BIC ball point or a Ticonderoga #2. Ball point
    delete button was nil and a red rubber one on the Ticonderoga.

    Ball point pen? They weren’t easily available when I went to school. We used either a pencil or a fountain pen...

    I paid $85 for my first non-scientific calculator 8 years after I
    graduated from high school, when I returned to college. It was 1/2 price close out at Radio Shack. I was about the size of an iPad mini and had
    (ready for this?) rechargeable replaceable AA batteries!. I did use it
    for almost 20 years after I bought it.

    As they hadn’t been invented when I was at school, we were taught how to use Logarithm tables and a slide rule...

    Cheers - Ewen

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  • From Michael J. Mahon@21:1/5 to Speccie on Mon Oct 4 19:15:02 2021
    Speccie <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
    YK wrote:

    When I was in school the computer sat on the top of the neck and the
    printer was either a BIC ball point or a Ticonderoga #2. Ball point
    delete button was nil and a red rubber one on the Ticonderoga.

    Ball point pen? They weren’t easily available when I went to school. We used either a pencil or a fountain pen...

    Ditto!

    In fact, writing with a fountain pen is pretty tricky when
    left-handed—since you can’t “push” the pen nib across the paper, it’s necessary to rotate your hand almost 180 degrees to allow for “pulling” and to avoid smearing wet ink everywhere!

    I paid $85 for my first non-scientific calculator 8 years after I
    graduated from high school, when I returned to college. It was 1/2 price
    close out at Radio Shack. I was about the size of an iPad mini and had
    (ready for this?) rechargeable replaceable AA batteries!. I did use it
    for almost 20 years after I bought it.

    As they hadn’t been invented when I was at school, we were taught how to use Logarithm tables and a slide rule...

    Again, me too! It was remarkable how natural a slide rule was, and it
    required the user to be able to estimate one significant digit and the
    order of magnitude in one’s head—a very useful skill when swinging through a design tree, and in short supply these days. ;-)

    --
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  • From Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 7 16:44:14 2021
    Groovy hepcat Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood was jivin' in comp.sys.apple2 on
    Tue, 28 Sep 2021 09:45 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

    A year or two later I changed schools. The new school had a
    Micromation with 4 dumb terminals and two 8' floppy drives, some Apple

    Yeah, those were enormous, those 8' drives! It took 3 people just to
    get a disk in there. Fortunately the thing also had 8" drives; much
    easier to use!
    Come to think of it, I may have just dreamed the 8' drives.
    ...
    Well, I come from a metric country. What do you expect?

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood on Fri Oct 8 04:19:23 2021
    Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood <phaywood@alphalink.com.au> wrote:
    Groovy hepcat Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood was jivin' in comp.sys.apple2 on
    Tue, 28 Sep 2021 09:45 am. It's a cool scene! Dig it.

    A year or two later I changed schools. The new school had a
    Micromation with 4 dumb terminals and two 8' floppy drives, some Apple

    Yeah, those were enormous, those 8' drives! It took 3 people just to
    get a disk in there. Fortunately the thing also had 8" drives; much
    easier to use!
    Come to think of it, I may have just dreamed the 8' drives.
    ...
    Well, I come from a metric country. What do you expect?

    Ha, I didn't even notice that typo. I remember seeing 8" floppy disks
    when I was a teenager in high school. I didn't even know that size
    existed! :O
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  • From martindoherty377@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 11 08:10:48 2021
    A year or two later I changed schools. The new school had a
    Micromation with 4 dumb terminals and two 8' floppy drives, some Apple
    Yeah, those were enormous, those 8' drives! It took 3 people just to
    get a disk in there. Fortunately the thing also had 8" drives; much
    easier to use!

    Spinal Tap - 18" Stonehenge https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=071cXxCNj5A

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  • From Peter 'Shaggy' Haywood@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 13 13:22:25 2021
    Groovy hepcat martin.doherty@undisclosed.com was jivin' in
    comp.sys.apple2 on Tue, 12 Oct 2021 02:10 am. It's a cool scene! Dig
    it.

    A year or two later I changed schools. The new school had a
    Micromation with 4 dumb terminals and two 8' floppy drives, some
    Apple
    Yeah, those were enormous, those 8' drives! It took 3 people just to
    get a disk in there. Fortunately the thing also had 8" drives; much
    easier to use!

    Spinal Tap - 18" Stonehenge
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=071cXxCNj5A

    Heh! :)

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  • From Speccie@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 22 07:51:28 2021
    Webber Update.

    I have just posted an update to Webber, which amongst other bug fixes and some new features, should fix the problems David reported.

    You will need to install both the Webber v1.1.2 update, and the included Tool130 v1.5 update.

    https://speccie.uk/software/webber/

    A week or so ago I released an update to ByteBagger, to fix a crashing problem that I found when opening files.

    https://speccie.uk/software/bytebagger/

    Cheers - Ewen

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Speccie on Tue Nov 23 01:05:04 2021
    Ewen, and how is this related to this thread?


    Speccie <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
    Webber Update.

    I have just posted an update to Webber, which amongst other bug fixes and some new features, should fix the problems David reported.

    You will need to install both the Webber v1.1.2 update, and the included Tool130 v1.5 update.

    https://speccie.uk/software/webber/

    A week or so ago I released an update to ByteBagger, to fix a crashing problem that I found when opening files.

    https://speccie.uk/software/bytebagger/

    Cheers - Ewen
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  • From Speccie@21:1/5 to Ant on Tue Nov 23 07:43:29 2021
    On 23 Nov 2021, Ant wrote

    Ewen, and how is this related to this thread?

    It isn’t, I’m sorry. I did repeat the message in the correct thread.

    Once you post a message to Usenet, there is no way of recalling it.

    I have been using a new Usenet reader, and though I thought it had picked up the correct subject to send it to, it had other ideas...

    Cheers - Ewen

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Speccie on Tue Nov 23 23:15:25 2021
    Speccie <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
    On 23 Nov 2021, Ant wrote

    Ewen, and how is this related to this thread?

    It isn???t, I???m sorry. I did repeat the message in the correct thread.

    Once you post a message to Usenet, there is no way of recalling it.

    I have been using a new Usenet reader, and though I thought it had
    picked up the correct subject to send it to, it had other ideas...

    Ah, OK. I see your new thread. Yeah, I wished cancel worked on usenet.
    :( What usenet reader client are you using?
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  • From Speccie@21:1/5 to Ant on Wed Nov 24 07:44:43 2021
    On 24 Nov 2021, Ant wrote

    Ah, OK. I see your new thread. Yeah, I wished cancel worked on usenet.
    ( What usenet reader client are you using?

    Rather than using Thoth, which though very good, is rather dated, I am now using Hogwasher.

    Cheers - Ewen

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  • From Scott Alfter@21:1/5 to Speccie on Wed Nov 24 17:04:39 2021
    Speccie <someone@somewhere.com> wrote:
    Rather than using Thoth, which though very good, is rather dated, I am now using Hogwasher.

    I had been using trn (or its predecessor rn) since 1989. Something's
    changed with my Gentoo Linux systems within the past couple or so years such that it'll no longer compile. Gentoo provides ebuilds for slrn and tin; of those two, tin still appears to be under at least somewhat active
    development (last release was this past August for its 30th anniversary), so I'm figuring it out.

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