in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all
you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external
USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
if it is hardware and you have the dvd that came with the computer, try booting while holding the d key down to run the hardware diagnostics
for additional information.
Isn't that the same (memory tests?) as the one in MBP that I ran
overnight? If so, then they passed.
Hi!
I have a broken 15" MacBook Pro (early 2008) with its updated Mac OS X
v10.5.8/Mountain Lion. I tried booting up this old MBP with these boot
ups' keys and without connected USB devices (mouse and external hub):
do you mean 10.8.5, which is mountain lion? or do you really mean
10.5.8, which is leopard?
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good
system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all
you need to do is clean install.
if it is hardware and you have the dvd that came with the computer, try booting while holding the d key down to run the hardware diagnostics
for additional information.
On 2/18/2017 8:11 AM, nospam wrote:
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good
system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all
you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external
USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
if it is hardware and you have the dvd that came with the computer, try
booting while holding the d key down to run the hardware diagnostics
for additional information.
Isn't that the same (memory tests?) as the one in MBP that I ran
overnight? If so, then they passed.
On 2017-02-18, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
On 2/18/2017 8:11 AM, nospam wrote:
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good
system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all
you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external
USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
No need for that. Just boot on the DVD that came with the computer. If
it boots fine, the problem is not the hardware.
In article <T86dndyRq_THDjXFnZ2dnUU7-a2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external
USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
it doesn't need to be 10.5. as long as it boots and operates normally,
you can be pretty sure that the hardware is not the problem.
if it is hardware and you have the dvd that came with the computer, try booting while holding the d key down to run the hardware diagnostics
for additional information.
Isn't that the same (memory tests?) as the one in MBP that I ran
overnight? If so, then they passed.
i don't know what you ran, but the hardware diagnostics is more than
just a memory test.
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good
system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all >> you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
No need for that. Just boot on the DVD that came with the computer. If
it boots fine, the problem is not the hardware.
I found the original 10.5/Leopard's 2 DVDs and was able to boot from it.
I ran its Disk Utility's verifications and found only problems with permissions (repairing as I type this) so it looks like OS's datas are
hosed or something. We'll see.
If this doesn't fix it, then I might have to reinstall (from scratch?).
I do have the newer Mac OS X versions' installer from Mountain Lion
v10.8.x to Sierra on another drive. I will have to see if I can use
them. I guess I will have to make bootable on external USB flash drives, discs, etc. :(
In comp.sys.mac.system nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <T86dndyRq_THDjXFnZ2dnUU7-a2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good
system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all >> > > you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external
USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
it doesn't need to be 10.5. as long as it boots and operates normally,
you can be pretty sure that the hardware is not the problem.
if it is hardware and you have the dvd that came with the computer, try >> > > booting while holding the d key down to run the hardware diagnostics
for additional information.
Isn't that the same (memory tests?) as the one in MBP that I ran
overnight? If so, then they passed.
i don't know what you ran, but the hardware diagnostics is more than
just a memory test.
It said memory tests
I found the original 10.5/Leopard's 2 DVDs and was able to boot from it. I ran its Disk Utility's verifications and found only problems with permissions (repairing as I type this) so it looks like OS's datas are hosed or something. We'll see.
the second disc should have the hardware diagnostics on it.
Do I boot from it? Its label didn't have instructions on how to boot it.
Its first DVD does (hold down C key during power up). Also, wouldn't
these be the same diagnostic tests as the internal MBP's D key? Or are
these different? I am not at the broken MBP right now to check.
If this doesn't fix it, then I might have to reinstall (from scratch?).
do that on an external drive to see if it's actually going to fix
anything.
Will the old MBP be able to handle a new USB3 WD 2 TB HDD?
In article <P7-dnXbQma6zMDXFnZ2dnUU7-audnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good >> system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all >> you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
No need for that. Just boot on the DVD that came with the computer. If
it boots fine, the problem is not the hardware.
I found the original 10.5/Leopard's 2 DVDs and was able to boot from it.
I ran its Disk Utility's verifications and found only problems with permissions (repairing as I type this) so it looks like OS's datas are hosed or something. We'll see.
the second disc should have the hardware diagnostics on it.
If this doesn't fix it, then I might have to reinstall (from scratch?).
do that on an external drive to see if it's actually going to fix
anything.
On 2017-02-18, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
In comp.sys.mac.system nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
In article <T86dndyRq_THDjXFnZ2dnUU7-a2dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good >> > > system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all >> > > you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external >> > USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
it doesn't need to be 10.5. as long as it boots and operates normally,
you can be pretty sure that the hardware is not the problem.
if it is hardware and you have the dvd that came with the computer, try
booting while holding the d key down to run the hardware diagnostics >> > > for additional information.
Isn't that the same (memory tests?) as the one in MBP that I ran
overnight? If so, then they passed.
i don't know what you ran, but the hardware diagnostics is more than
just a memory test.
It said memory tests
It said way more than just memory tests.
OK. I will just hook up an external USB HDD, boot up Mac OS X
v10.5/Leopard installer DVD, install into the external drive, and test.
I have never done it from a DVD source in Macs. I always did it inside installed OS.
In article <ZeadnY0p9ZOaSDXFnZ2dnUU7-amdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
I found the original 10.5/Leopard's 2 DVDs and was able to boot from it.
I ran its Disk Utility's verifications and found only problems with permissions (repairing as I type this) so it looks like OS's datas are hosed or something. We'll see.
the second disc should have the hardware diagnostics on it.
Do I boot from it? Its label didn't have instructions on how to boot it. Its first DVD does (hold down C key during power up). Also, wouldn't
these be the same diagnostic tests as the internal MBP's D key? Or are these different? I am not at the broken MBP right now to check.
d for diagnostics. it should say that on the disc itself.
If this doesn't fix it, then I might have to reinstall (from scratch?).
do that on an external drive to see if it's actually going to fix anything.
Will the old MBP be able to handle a new USB3 WD 2 TB HDD?
yep, but at usb 2 speeds.
In article <VICdncqLP6_dRDXFnZ2dnUU7-ROdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
OK. I will just hook up an external USB HDD, boot up Mac OS X
v10.5/Leopard installer DVD, install into the external drive, and test.
I have never done it from a DVD source in Macs. I always did it inside installed OS.
any drive with el capitan or earlier will suffice.
OK. I will just hook up an external USB HDD, boot up Mac OS X v10.5/Leopard installer DVD, install into the external drive, and test.
I have never done it from a DVD source in Macs. I always did it inside installed OS.
any drive with el capitan or earlier will suffice.
Yeah, I need to get a bootable installer for the newer version which
I don't have yet. I only have their downloaded apps from App Store. I
need to get another Mac to make them. Unless I can do them in 64-bit
Windows 7 and Linux/Debian (Jessie/stable) which I doubt? I am quite
limited in Macs these days since I no longer work for the company that
let me work on a newer Macs. :(
However, I just found an old burned v10.8.2/Mountain Lion DVD+R DL disc
I made from 2012. I could use these too. :D Although, I'm not sure if
this old MBP can read dual layer DVD+Rs?
In article <pqWdnTMbX7PyQDXFnZ2dnUU7-WnNnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ANTant@zimage.com> wrote:
OK. I will just hook up an external USB HDD, boot up Mac OS X
v10.5/Leopard installer DVD, install into the external drive, and test. >>>> I have never done it from a DVD source in Macs. I always did it inside >>>> installed OS.
any drive with el capitan or earlier will suffice.
Yeah, I need to get a bootable installer for the newer version which
I don't have yet. I only have their downloaded apps from App Store. I
need to get another Mac to make them. Unless I can do them in 64-bit
Windows 7 and Linux/Debian (Jessie/stable) which I doubt? I am quite
limited in Macs these days since I no longer work for the company that
let me work on a newer Macs. :(
don't you have a spare drive with a bootable system? even a usb stick
will work.
However, I just found an old burned v10.8.2/Mountain Lion DVD+R DL disc
I made from 2012. I could use these too. :D Although, I'm not sure if
this old MBP can read dual layer DVD+Rs?
it should.
don't you have a spare drive with a bootable system? even a usb stick
will work.
Not right now. I still have that encrypted mac OS Sierra on there, but I doubt this old 2008 MBP can boot it.
However, I just found an old burned v10.8.2/Mountain Lion DVD+R DL disc
I made from 2012. I could use these too. :D Although, I'm not sure if
this old MBP can read dual layer DVD+Rs?
it should.
It doesn't. :( It (ejec/spit)ted the disc out after trying to boot. I
guess its internal SuperDisc drive can't read dual layered DVD+Rs.
In article <MM6dnWi9QfvadzXFnZ2dnUU7-VmdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
don't you have a spare drive with a bootable system? even a usb stick
will work.
Not right now. I still have that encrypted mac OS Sierra on there, but I
doubt this old 2008 MBP can boot it.
it can't.
However, I just found an old burned v10.8.2/Mountain Lion DVD+R DL disc >>>> I made from 2012. I could use these too. :D Although, I'm not sure if
this old MBP can read dual layer DVD+Rs?
it should.
It doesn't. :( It (ejec/spit)ted the disc out after trying to boot. I
guess its internal SuperDisc drive can't read dual layered DVD+Rs.
it can.
either the dvd drive failed or the disc isn't actually bootable.
However, I just found an old burned v10.8.2/Mountain Lion DVD+R DL disc >>>> I made from 2012. I could use these too. :D Although, I'm not sure if >>>> this old MBP can read dual layer DVD+Rs?
it should.
It doesn't. :( It (ejec/spit)ted the disc out after trying to boot. I
guess its internal SuperDisc drive can't read dual layered DVD+Rs.
it can.
either the dvd drive failed or the disc isn't actually bootable.
I just tried the same bootable burned Memorex DL DVD+R in a 13.3" 2012
MBP. It booted it fine
even though it took a very long time like 10
minutes. Sheesh. :P I'll try the broken 15" 2008 MBP (4,1) later again
with this disc.
In article <xNWdnU4_kIIJnzTFnZ2dnUU7-RHNnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
However, I just found an old burned v10.8.2/Mountain Lion DVD+R DL disc >>>>>> I made from 2012. I could use these too. :D Although, I'm not sure if >>>>>> this old MBP can read dual layer DVD+Rs?
it should.
It doesn't. :( It (ejec/spit)ted the disc out after trying to boot. I
guess its internal SuperDisc drive can't read dual layered DVD+Rs.
it can.
either the dvd drive failed or the disc isn't actually bootable.
I just tried the same bootable burned Memorex DL DVD+R in a 13.3" 2012
MBP. It booted it fine
then the dvd drive is probably broken
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good
system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all
you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external
USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
On 2/19/2017 10:15 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/18/2017 10:33 AM, Ant wrote:
...
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good
system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all >>>> you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external
USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
OK, back to work on this old 15" early 2008 MBP. There were issues I ran
into with the external WDC 2 TB USB HDD with MBP's Mac OS X v10.5.2 DVDs:
1. It didn't want to see the drive, but eventually it worked. Weird.
2. It did not like the partition setups like my FAT32, so I had to redo
it with its HFS Journal.
3. I couldn't reinstall into the old MBP's HDD with its installed and
updated Mac OS X v10.5.8 because of the versions (can't install older
over newer). So I would have to wipe it if I wanted to reinstall it.
Don't have a newer Mac OS X version yet. I'll worry about it later. I am
not touching the internal HDD yet.
Currently, the installer is slowly verifying the DVDs are OK before
installing the OS. Weird that I can't move my trackpad cursor. The video
shows its status bar animating and percentage going up slowly though. I
hope I don't run into more issues (always do :() and that this old MBP
can boot from it too after it is done.
To be continued...
Uh oh. MBP's display dimmed after and then went black (energy saving I
assume from idling). I can't seem to wake it up. I don't know if is
still running? I still feel heat from the keyboard and hear its fan(s),
so it is doing something? I don't hear and feel the DVD spinning. How do
I wake it up or even disable this monitor sleep during DVD installer? :(
On 2/19/2017 10:24 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:15 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/18/2017 10:33 AM, Ant wrote:
...
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good >>>>> system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all >>>>> you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external >>>> USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
OK, back to work on this old 15" early 2008 MBP. There were issues I ran >>> into with the external WDC 2 TB USB HDD with MBP's Mac OS X v10.5.2
DVDs:
1. It didn't want to see the drive, but eventually it worked. Weird.
2. It did not like the partition setups like my FAT32, so I had to redo
it with its HFS Journal.
3. I couldn't reinstall into the old MBP's HDD with its installed and
updated Mac OS X v10.5.8 because of the versions (can't install older
over newer). So I would have to wipe it if I wanted to reinstall it.
Don't have a newer Mac OS X version yet. I'll worry about it later. I am >>> not touching the internal HDD yet.
Currently, the installer is slowly verifying the DVDs are OK before
installing the OS. Weird that I can't move my trackpad cursor. The video >>> shows its status bar animating and percentage going up slowly though. I
hope I don't run into more issues (always do :() and that this old MBP
can boot from it too after it is done.
To be continued...
Uh oh. MBP's display dimmed after and then went black (energy saving I
assume from idling). I can't seem to wake it up. I don't know if is
still running? I still feel heat from the keyboard and hear its fan(s),
so it is doing something? I don't hear and feel the DVD spinning. How do
I wake it up or even disable this monitor sleep during DVD installer? :(
Ah, pressing power button once wakes it up but I still can't move my
cursor. Also, my install failed and I noticed my USB HDD's power light
was off (disconnected?). :( I will have to try again. Argh!
On 2/18/2017 10:33 AM, Ant wrote:
...
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good
system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then all
you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external
USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
OK, back to work on this old 15" early 2008 MBP. There were issues I ran
into with the external WDC 2 TB USB HDD with MBP's Mac OS X v10.5.2 DVDs:
1. It didn't want to see the drive, but eventually it worked. Weird.
2. It did not like the partition setups like my FAT32, so I had to redo
it with its HFS Journal.
3. I couldn't reinstall into the old MBP's HDD with its installed and
updated Mac OS X v10.5.8 because of the versions (can't install older
over newer). So I would have to wipe it if I wanted to reinstall it.
Don't have a newer Mac OS X version yet. I'll worry about it later. I am
not touching the internal HDD yet.
Currently, the installer is slowly verifying the DVDs are OK before installing the OS. Weird that I can't move my trackpad cursor. The video shows its status bar animating and percentage going up slowly though. I
hope I don't run into more issues (always do :() and that this old MBP
can boot from it too after it is done.
To be continued...
On 2/19/2017 10:49 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:24 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:15 AM, Ant wrote:
OK, back to work on this old 15" early 2008 MBP. There were issues I ran >>> into with the external WDC 2 TB USB HDD with MBP's Mac OS X v10.5.2
DVDs:
1. It didn't want to see the drive, but eventually it worked. Weird.
2. It did not like the partition setups like my FAT32, so I had to redo >>> it with its HFS Journal.
3. I couldn't reinstall into the old MBP's HDD with its installed and
updated Mac OS X v10.5.8 because of the versions (can't install older
over newer). So I would have to wipe it if I wanted to reinstall it.
Don't have a newer Mac OS X version yet. I'll worry about it later. I am >>> not touching the internal HDD yet.
Currently, the installer is slowly verifying the DVDs are OK before
installing the OS. Weird that I can't move my trackpad cursor.
The video shows its status bar animating and percentage going up
slowly though. I hope I don't run into more issues (always do :() and
that this old MBP can boot from it too after it is done.
To be continued...
Uh oh. MBP's display dimmed after and then went black (energy saving I
assume from idling). I can't seem to wake it up.
I don't know if is still running? I still feel heat from the keyboard
and hear its fan(s), so it is doing something? I don't hear and feel
the DVD spinning. How do I wake it up or even disable this monitor
sleep during DVD installer? :(
Ah, pressing power button once wakes it up
but I still can't move my cursor. Also, my install failed and I noticed
my USB HDD's power light was off (disconnected?). :( I will have to try again. Argh!
Installing with take about a couple hours. MBP likes to dim and then
probably turn off its display. Trackpad's mouse cursor still works. I
think it goes off when the display goes off?
I don't think I can keep touching to keep it awake so often too for two hours. :(
On 2/19/2017 10:49 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:24 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:15 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/18/2017 10:33 AM, Ant wrote:
...
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good >>>>>> system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then >>>>>> all
you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an external >>>>> USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
OK, back to work on this old 15" early 2008 MBP. There were issues I
ran
into with the external WDC 2 TB USB HDD with MBP's Mac OS X v10.5.2
DVDs:
1. It didn't want to see the drive, but eventually it worked. Weird.
2. It did not like the partition setups like my FAT32, so I had to redo >>>> it with its HFS Journal.
3. I couldn't reinstall into the old MBP's HDD with its installed and
updated Mac OS X v10.5.8 because of the versions (can't install older
over newer). So I would have to wipe it if I wanted to reinstall it.
Don't have a newer Mac OS X version yet. I'll worry about it later.
I am
not touching the internal HDD yet.
Currently, the installer is slowly verifying the DVDs are OK before
installing the OS. Weird that I can't move my trackpad cursor. The
video
shows its status bar animating and percentage going up slowly though. I >>>> hope I don't run into more issues (always do :() and that this old MBP >>>> can boot from it too after it is done.
To be continued...
Uh oh. MBP's display dimmed after and then went black (energy saving I
assume from idling). I can't seem to wake it up. I don't know if is
still running? I still feel heat from the keyboard and hear its fan(s),
so it is doing something? I don't hear and feel the DVD spinning. How do >>> I wake it up or even disable this monitor sleep during DVD installer? :(
Ah, pressing power button once wakes it up but I still can't move my
cursor. Also, my install failed and I noticed my USB HDD's power light
was off (disconnected?). :( I will have to try again. Argh!
Installing with take about a couple hours. MBP likes to dim and then
probably turn off its display. Trackpad's mouse cursor still works. I
think it goes off when the display goes off? I don't think I can keep touching to keep it awake so often too for two hours. :(
Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:49 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:24 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:15 AM, Ant wrote:
OK, back to work on this old 15" early 2008 MBP. There were issues I ran >>>>> into with the external WDC 2 TB USB HDD with MBP's Mac OS X v10.5.2
DVDs:
1. It didn't want to see the drive, but eventually it worked. Weird. >>>>> 2. It did not like the partition setups like my FAT32, so I had to redo >>>>> it with its HFS Journal.
3. I couldn't reinstall into the old MBP's HDD with its installed and >>>>> updated Mac OS X v10.5.8 because of the versions (can't install older >>>>> over newer). So I would have to wipe it if I wanted to reinstall it. >>>>> Don't have a newer Mac OS X version yet. I'll worry about it later. I am >>>>> not touching the internal HDD yet.
Items 2 and 3 are expected. "Not seeing the drive" has too many possible explanations to analyze.
Currently, the installer is slowly verifying the DVDs are OK before
installing the OS. Weird that I can't move my trackpad cursor.
Being unable to move the cursor with the trackpad is NOT normal.
The video shows its status bar animating and percentage going up
slowly though. I hope I don't run into more issues (always do :() and >>>>> that this old MBP can boot from it too after it is done.
To be continued...
Uh oh. MBP's display dimmed after and then went black (energy saving I >>>> assume from idling). I can't seem to wake it up.
Apart from the trackpad problem, did you try the keyboard as well? The keyboard and trackpad are actually part of the same internal USB
peripheral in many Mac notebook models, so if one was misbehaving, the
other might as well.
I don't know if is still running? I still feel heat from the keyboard
and hear its fan(s), so it is doing something? I don't hear and feel
the DVD spinning. How do I wake it up or even disable this monitor
sleep during DVD installer? :(
Ah, pressing power button once wakes it up
The power button is connected separately from the rest of the keyboard,
and has a direct line to the system management controller (e.g. to power
on and do forced power off), so that probably was able to wake the
computer even though the keyboard and trackpad weren't working.
but I still can't move my cursor. Also, my install failed and I noticed
my USB HDD's power light was off (disconnected?). :( I will have to try
again. Argh!
Installing with take about a couple hours. MBP likes to dim and then
probably turn off its display. Trackpad's mouse cursor still works. I
think it goes off when the display goes off?
No, the trackpad should keep working after the display goes off (it
should be possible to wake the display with a keypress or button click,
then move the cursor with the trackpad). There could be some kind of intermittent fault which is either affecting USB input devices
collectively, or a specific fault with the internal trackpad and
keyboard. There could also be a software problem, e.g. if 10.5.2 had a
bug which resulted in USB problems including losing connection with the keyboard/trackpad (I don't recall that, but early 10.5.x did have a fair number of serious bugs).
Do you have an external USB mouse and/or keyboard you can plug in? (Any
brand - they don't have to be Apple ones.) If the trackpad locks up
again (and the built-in keyboard along with it) you could try the
external ones to see whether the problem is specific to the internal
ones.
On 2/19/2017 11:06 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:49 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:24 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:15 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/18/2017 10:33 AM, Ant wrote:
...
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known good >>>>>>> system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then >>>>>>> all
you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an
external
USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
OK, back to work on this old 15" early 2008 MBP. There were issues I >>>>> ran
into with the external WDC 2 TB USB HDD with MBP's Mac OS X v10.5.2
DVDs:
1. It didn't want to see the drive, but eventually it worked. Weird. >>>>> 2. It did not like the partition setups like my FAT32, so I had to
redo
it with its HFS Journal.
3. I couldn't reinstall into the old MBP's HDD with its installed and >>>>> updated Mac OS X v10.5.8 because of the versions (can't install older >>>>> over newer). So I would have to wipe it if I wanted to reinstall it. >>>>> Don't have a newer Mac OS X version yet. I'll worry about it later.
I am
not touching the internal HDD yet.
Currently, the installer is slowly verifying the DVDs are OK before
installing the OS. Weird that I can't move my trackpad cursor. The
video
shows its status bar animating and percentage going up slowly
though. I
hope I don't run into more issues (always do :() and that this old MBP >>>>> can boot from it too after it is done.
To be continued...
Uh oh. MBP's display dimmed after and then went black (energy saving I >>>> assume from idling). I can't seem to wake it up. I don't know if is
still running? I still feel heat from the keyboard and hear its fan(s), >>>> so it is doing something? I don't hear and feel the DVD spinning.
How do
I wake it up or even disable this monitor sleep during DVD
installer? :(
Ah, pressing power button once wakes it up but I still can't move my
cursor. Also, my install failed and I noticed my USB HDD's power light
was off (disconnected?). :( I will have to try again. Argh!
Installing with take about a couple hours. MBP likes to dim and then
probably turn off its display. Trackpad's mouse cursor still works. I
think it goes off when the display goes off? I don't think I can keep
touching to keep it awake so often too for two hours. :(
Yep, trackpad's response is lost when MBP's display goes to sleep and
after waking up. :( The good news is that there is about 15 minutes
left! Crossing fingers that this worked.
Yay, I finally and sucessfully booted up the brand new Mac OS X v10.5.2
from the external USB HDD. Its required registration was annoying (no
cancel and skip options)! I just wanted to install and test! So, I
entered fake datas.
Also for kicks for the future newer OS X versions, I tried to see if my
App Store's downloaded newer Mac OS X installers:
El Capitan v10.11.5 = "not supported on this architecture"
Yosemite v10.10.5 = "cannot use the application with this version of OS X" Mountain Lion v10.8.5 = "cannot use the application with this version of
OS X"
What the heck? Do I really need to get v10.6 first to upgrade or do a
clean install?
Yay, I finally and sucessfully booted up the brand new Mac OS X
v10.5.2 from the external USB HDD. Its required registration was
annoying (no cancel and skip options)!
Anyways, I also updated v10.5.2 to v10.5.8 and all of its updates
until there were nothing left. Also, I can see and access MBP's
internal USB HDD just fine. I wonder if I can fix the issue in it. Any
ideas what to try? This would be a good practice for me if it is
possible. ;)
Also for kicks for the future newer OS X versions, I tried to see if
my App Store's downloaded newer Mac OS X installers: El Capitan
v10.11.5 = "not supported on this architecture" Yosemite v10.10.5 =
"cannot use the application with this version of OS X" Mountain Lion
v10.8.5 = "cannot use the application with this version of OS X" What
the heck?
Do I really need to get v10.6 first to upgrade or do a clean install?
On 2/19/2017 11:41 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 11:06 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:49 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:24 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/19/2017 10:15 AM, Ant wrote:
On 2/18/2017 10:33 AM, Ant wrote:
...
in any event, boot from an external hard drive that has a known >>>>>>>> good
system. if *that* fails, it's probably hardware. if it works, then >>>>>>>> all
you need to do is clean install.
OK. I am going to have to see if I can install 10.5.x into an
external
USB HDD with MBP's original DVDs.
OK, back to work on this old 15" early 2008 MBP. There were issues I >>>>>> ran
into with the external WDC 2 TB USB HDD with MBP's Mac OS X v10.5.2 >>>>>> DVDs:
1. It didn't want to see the drive, but eventually it worked. Weird. >>>>>> 2. It did not like the partition setups like my FAT32, so I had to >>>>>> redo
it with its HFS Journal.
3. I couldn't reinstall into the old MBP's HDD with its installed and >>>>>> updated Mac OS X v10.5.8 because of the versions (can't install older >>>>>> over newer). So I would have to wipe it if I wanted to reinstall it. >>>>>> Don't have a newer Mac OS X version yet. I'll worry about it later. >>>>>> I am
not touching the internal HDD yet.
Currently, the installer is slowly verifying the DVDs are OK before >>>>>> installing the OS. Weird that I can't move my trackpad cursor. The >>>>>> video
shows its status bar animating and percentage going up slowly
though. I
hope I don't run into more issues (always do :() and that this old >>>>>> MBP
can boot from it too after it is done.
To be continued...
Uh oh. MBP's display dimmed after and then went black (energy saving I >>>>> assume from idling). I can't seem to wake it up. I don't know if is
still running? I still feel heat from the keyboard and hear its
fan(s),
so it is doing something? I don't hear and feel the DVD spinning.
How do
I wake it up or even disable this monitor sleep during DVD
installer? :(
Ah, pressing power button once wakes it up but I still can't move my
cursor. Also, my install failed and I noticed my USB HDD's power light >>>> was off (disconnected?). :( I will have to try again. Argh!
Installing with take about a couple hours. MBP likes to dim and then
probably turn off its display. Trackpad's mouse cursor still works. I
think it goes off when the display goes off? I don't think I can keep
touching to keep it awake so often too for two hours. :(
Yep, trackpad's response is lost when MBP's display goes to sleep and
after waking up. :( The good news is that there is about 15 minutes
left! Crossing fingers that this worked.
Cool. It finished, autorebooted, booted from external HDD, asked me to
insert DVD #2, resuming installation... To be continued. I am trying to
keep this MBP awake!
Yay, I finally and sucessfully booted up the brand new Mac OS X v10.5.2
from the external USB HDD. Its required registration was annoying (no
cancel and skip options)! I just wanted to install and test! So, I
entered fake datas.
Anyways, I also updated v10.5.2 to v10.5.8 and all of its updates until
there were nothing left. Also, I can see and access MBP's internal USB
HDD just fine. I wonder if I can fix the issue in it. Any ideas what to
try? This would be a good practice for me if it is possible. ;)
Also for kicks for the future newer OS X versions, I tried to see if my
App Store's downloaded newer Mac OS X installers:
El Capitan v10.11.5 = "not supported on this architecture"
Yosemite v10.10.5 = "cannot use the application with this version of OS X" Mountain Lion v10.8.5 = "cannot use the application with this version of
OS X"
What the heck? Do I really need to get v10.6 first to upgrade or do a
clean install?
Oh, and its trackpad and keyboard stopped responding before MBP's
display went to black in Mac OS X v10.5.8. It happened during the dimmed screen after the upgrade and reboot. Its power button responded to
brighten up the screen and asked me what to do (shut down, reboot,
etc.). I connected a very old USB mouse, and I could move my mouse
cursor again. Internal keyboard (don't have an external USB type -- only
PS/2 type), nope!
In article <b-WdnQN4gLaQkDfFnZ2dnUU7-SPNnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
Yay, I finally and sucessfully booted up the brand new Mac OS X v10.5.2
from the external USB HDD. Its required registration was annoying (no
cancel and skip options)! I just wanted to install and test! So, I
entered fake datas.
there is no required registration for mac os.
Also for kicks for the future newer OS X versions, I tried to see if my
App Store's downloaded newer Mac OS X installers:
El Capitan v10.11.5 = "not supported on this architecture"
Yosemite v10.10.5 = "cannot use the application with this version of OS X" >> Mountain Lion v10.8.5 = "cannot use the application with this version of
OS X"
What the heck? Do I really need to get v10.6 first to upgrade or do a
clean install?
you need 10.6.6 or later for access to the app store to be able to
download a later version of mac os.
you can also use another mac to make a usb stick with a macos installer
on it, which can then be used even if the target mac has an empty hard
drive, and if it has 10.5, you probably will need to make it blank for
the installer to not complain.
Yay, I finally and sucessfully booted up the brand new Mac OS X v10.5.2
from the external USB HDD. Its required registration was annoying (no
cancel and skip options)! I just wanted to install and test! So, I
entered fake datas.
there is no required registration for mac os.
Um, then how was I supposed to bypass this v10.5.2's registration
screen? There were no buttons to exit/cancel/delay. :/
Also for kicks for the future newer OS X versions, I tried to see if my
App Store's downloaded newer Mac OS X installers:
El Capitan v10.11.5 = "not supported on this architecture"
Yosemite v10.10.5 = "cannot use the application with this version of
OS X"
Mountain Lion v10.8.5 = "cannot use the application with this version of >>> OS X"
What the heck? Do I really need to get v10.6 first to upgrade or do a
clean install?
you need 10.6.6 or later for access to the app store to be able to
download a later version of mac os.
you can also use another mac to make a usb stick with a macos installer
on it, which can then be used even if the target mac has an empty hard
drive, and if it has 10.5, you probably will need to make it blank for
the installer to not complain.
Yeah, I'm planning to do this with a 64 USB flash drive and http://diskmakerx.com in a 13.3" 2012 MBP's Mac OS X v10.8.5/Mountain
Lion. I hope the app installer copies I have will work! Hopefully, it
will work for me to use in 2008 MBP. Frak the upgrades and start clean.
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