• Unable to boot up an old 15" MBP (2008)'s Mac OS X v10.5.8/Mt. Lion...

    From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 02:45:37 2017
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.portable, comp.sys.mac.hardware, comp.sys.mac.system
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.systems

    Hi!

    I have a broken 15" MacBook Pro (early 2008) with its updated Mac OS X v10.5.8/Mountain Lion. I tried booting up this old MBP with these boot
    ups' keys and without connected USB devices (mouse and external hub):

    1. normal boot -- never reaches the user account screen. It stays stuck
    in Apple logo's loading screen with its spinning wait icon.

    2. shift -- never reaches the user account screen. It stays stuck in
    Apple logo's loading screen with its spinning wait icon.

    3. command+v (verbose) = saw the text mode with technical datas. Then,
    it loaded the light blue screen for about a second and then back to text
    black screen with a white block on the top left corner. Then back to
    light blue screen to the black text screen with the top left white block
    in a loop forever.

    4. command+s (single-user mode) = got to its text bash prompt, but not
    sure what to do here to dig deeper and fix. Need experts' help if I need
    to use it. At least, this is usable.

    5. command+r (recovery) = It stays stuck in Apple logo's loading screen
    with its spinning wait icon. No OS X Utilities like in newer mac OSes. I
    don't think Mac OS X v10.5.8 has this feature IIRC.

    6. d (diagnostics) = Short test passed after about three minutes. It is
    now running a long test which will take about 1.5 hours. Isn't this just
    memory tests?

    7. option-d (online diagnostics) = It stays stuck in Apple logo's
    loading screen with its spinning wait icon. I don't think it has that
    feature.

    8. Option-Command-P-R (Reset NVRAM) = Heard a beep and saw bright screen
    and heard loud volume as resets, but it did not fix the boot up issue.

    I am trying to figure out if this is hardware or a software issue. :(
    Any other ideas to try? I don't see how Apcupsd-3.14.14 could break it
    that badly. Earlier, I downloaded and installed https://sourceforge.net/projects/apcupsd/files/osx-binaries%20-%20Stable/3.14.14/'s
    Apcupsd-3.14.14.dmg file into an old 15" MacBook Pro (2008) with its
    updated Leopard v10.5.8 since
    http://www.apcupsd.org/manual/manual.html#id37 says apcupsd supports Mac
    OS X v10.4.x and higher. However, I was unable to save auto-opened
    apcupsd.conf that I was required to edit due to lack of admin access
    even though I was using an admin account. So, I tried to edit /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf in Terminal's with su and sudo commands but
    they said something about PAM. I said frak it and rebooted, but it won't
    boot up anymore. :(

    Thank you in advance. :)
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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Feb 20 01:17:08 2017
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.portable, comp.sys.mac.hardware, comp.sys.mac.system
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    Someone asked to run SMART test on the internal HDD. Here are the
    results with an old SMARTreporter app (still failed long tests in the
    same HDD spot):

    smartctl 5.41 2011-04-06 r3314 [i386-apple-darwin9.8.0] (local build)
    Copyright (C) 2002-11 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

    === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
    Model Family: Hitachi Travelstar 5K250
    Device Model: Hitachi HTS542520K9SA00
    Serial Number: 080729BB2D10[deleted]
    LU WWN Device Id: 5 000cca 532c8fe94
    Firmware Version: BBDAC3GP
    User Capacity: 200,049,647,616 bytes [200 GB]
    Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
    ATA Version is: 8
    ATA Standard is: ATA-8-ACS revision 3f
    Local Time is: Mon Feb 20 01:08:22 2017 PST
    SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
    SMART support is: Enabled

    === START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
    SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

    General SMART Values:
    Offline data collection status: (0x00) Offline data collection activity
    was never started.
    Auto Offline Data Collection: Disabled.
    Self-test execution status: ( 121) The previous self-test completed
    having
    the read element of the test
    failed.
    Total time to complete Offline
    data collection: ( 645) seconds.
    Offline data collection
    capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
    Auto Offline data collection
    on/off support.
    Suspend Offline collection upon new
    command.
    Offline surface scan supported.
    Self-test supported.
    No Conveyance Self-test supported.
    Selective Self-test supported.
    SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
    power-saving mode.
    Supports SMART auto save timer.
    Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
    General Purpose Logging supported. Short self-test routine
    recommended polling time: ( 2) minutes.
    Extended self-test routine
    recommended polling time: ( 96) minutes.
    SCT capabilities: (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
    SCT Error Recovery Control
    supported.
    SCT Feature Control supported.
    SCT Data Table supported.

    SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
    Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
    ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
    UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
    1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 099 099 062 Pre-fail
    Always - 131072
    2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 100 100 040 Pre-fail
    Offline - 0
    3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 234 234 033 Pre-fail
    Always - 1
    4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 095 095 000 Old_age
    Always - 9139
    5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail
    Always - 0
    7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail
    Always - 0
    8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 100 100 040 Pre-fail
    Offline - 0
    9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 056 056 000 Old_age
    Always - 19436
    10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 060 Pre-fail
    Always - 0
    12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 098 098 000 Old_age
    Always - 4081
    191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 0
    192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 8591638708
    193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 069 069 000 Old_age Always
    - 318366
    194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 152 152 000 Old_age Always
    - 36 (Min/Max 15/49)
    195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 0
    196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 0
    197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 1
    198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 100 100 000 Old_age
    Offline - 0
    199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always
    - 0
    223 Load_Retry_Count 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 0

    SMART Error Log Version: 1
    ATA Error Count: 16 (device log contains only the most recent five errors)
    CR = Command Register [HEX]
    FR = Features Register [HEX]
    SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
    SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
    CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
    CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
    DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
    DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
    ER = Error register [HEX]
    ST = Status register [HEX]
    Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
    DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
    SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

    Error 16 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 5450 hours (227 days + 2 hours)
    When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was
    active or idle.

    After command completion occurred, registers were:
    ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
    -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    40 51 10 18 dc 0f 40 Error: UNC 16 sectors at LBA = 0x000fdc18 = 1039384

    Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
    CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
    -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
    25 00 10 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:30.400 READ DMA EXT
    25 00 10 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:26.300 READ DMA EXT
    25 00 10 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:22.200 READ DMA EXT
    25 00 10 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:18.100 READ DMA EXT
    2f 00 01 10 00 00 00 00 00:00:18.000 READ LOG EXT

    Error 15 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 5450 hours (227 days + 2 hours)
    When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was
    active or idle.

    After command completion occurred, registers were:
    ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
    -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    40 51 10 18 dc 0f 40 Error: UNC 16 sectors at LBA = 0x000fdc18 = 1039384

    Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
    CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
    -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
    25 00 10 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:26.300 READ DMA EXT
    25 00 10 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:22.200 READ DMA EXT
    25 00 10 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:18.100 READ DMA EXT
    2f 00 01 10 00 00 00 00 00:00:18.000 READ LOG EXT
    60 10 c8 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:13.800 READ FPDMA QUEUED

    Error 14 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 5450 hours (227 days + 2 hours)
    When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was
    active or idle.

    After command completion occurred, registers were:
    ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
    -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    40 51 10 18 dc 0f 40 Error: UNC 16 sectors at LBA = 0x000fdc18 = 1039384

    Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
    CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
    -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
    25 00 10 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:22.200 READ DMA EXT
    25 00 10 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:18.100 READ DMA EXT
    2f 00 01 10 00 00 00 00 00:00:18.000 READ LOG EXT
    60 10 c8 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:13.800 READ FPDMA QUEUED
    60 10 c0 f2 31 0f 40 00 00:00:13.800 READ FPDMA QUEUED

    Error 13 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 5450 hours (227 days + 2 hours)
    When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was
    active or idle.

    After command completion occurred, registers were:
    ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
    -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    40 51 10 18 dc 0f 40 Error: UNC 16 sectors at LBA = 0x000fdc18 = 1039384

    Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
    CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
    -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
    25 00 10 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:18.100 READ DMA EXT
    2f 00 01 10 00 00 00 00 00:00:18.000 READ LOG EXT
    60 10 c8 18 dc 0f 40 00 00:00:13.800 READ FPDMA QUEUED
    60 10 c0 f2 31 0f 40 00 00:00:13.800 READ FPDMA QUEUED
    61 10 b8 58 c2 0f 40 00 00:00:13.800 WRITE FPDMA QUEUED

    Error 12 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 4750 hours (197 days + 22
    hours)
    When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was
    active or idle.

    After command completion occurred, registers were:
    ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
    -- -- -- -- -- -- --
    40 51 10 38 fa 06 40 Error: UNC 16 sectors at LBA = 0x0006fa38 = 457272

    Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
    CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
    -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
    25 00 10 38 fa 06 40 00 00:00:29.600 READ DMA EXT
    25 00 10 38 fa 06 40 00 00:00:25.500 READ DMA EXT
    25 00 10 38 fa 06 40 00 00:00:21.400 READ DMA EXT
    25 00 10 38 fa 06 40 00 00:00:17.400 READ DMA EXT
    2f 00 01 10 00 00 00 00 00:00:17.300 READ LOG EXT

    SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
    Num Test_Description Status Remaining
    LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
    # 1 Extended offline Completed: read failure 90% 19436
    33621728
    # 2 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19435
    -
    # 3 Extended offline Completed: read failure 90% 14811
    33621728
    # 4 Short offline Completed without error 00% 14811
    -
    # 5 Short offline Completed without error 00% 2408
    -

    SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
    SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1 0 0 Not_testing
    2 0 0 Not_testing
    3 0 0 Not_testing
    4 0 0 Not_testing
    5 0 0 Not_testing
    Selective self-test flags (0x0):
    After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
    If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.



    On 2/18/2017 2:45 AM, Ant wrote:
    Hi!

    I have a broken 15" MacBook Pro (early 2008) with its updated Mac OS X v10.5.8/Mountain Lion. I tried booting up this old MBP with these boot
    ups' keys and without connected USB devices (mouse and external hub):

    1. normal boot -- never reaches the user account screen. It stays stuck
    in Apple logo's loading screen with its spinning wait icon.

    2. shift -- never reaches the user account screen. It stays stuck in
    Apple logo's loading screen with its spinning wait icon.

    3. command+v (verbose) = saw the text mode with technical datas. Then,
    it loaded the light blue screen for about a second and then back to text black screen with a white block on the top left corner. Then back to
    light blue screen to the black text screen with the top left white block
    in a loop forever.

    4. command+s (single-user mode) = got to its text bash prompt, but not
    sure what to do here to dig deeper and fix. Need experts' help if I need
    to use it. At least, this is usable.

    5. command+r (recovery) = It stays stuck in Apple logo's loading screen
    with its spinning wait icon. No OS X Utilities like in newer mac OSes. I don't think Mac OS X v10.5.8 has this feature IIRC.

    6. d (diagnostics) = Short test passed after about three minutes. It is
    now running a long test which will take about 1.5 hours. Isn't this just memory tests?

    7. option-d (online diagnostics) = It stays stuck in Apple logo's
    loading screen with its spinning wait icon. I don't think it has that feature.

    8. Option-Command-P-R (Reset NVRAM) = Heard a beep and saw bright screen
    and heard loud volume as resets, but it did not fix the boot up issue.

    I am trying to figure out if this is hardware or a software issue. :(
    Any other ideas to try? I don't see how Apcupsd-3.14.14 could break it
    that badly. Earlier, I downloaded and installed https://sourceforge.net/projects/apcupsd/files/osx-binaries%20-%20Stable/3.14.14/'s
    Apcupsd-3.14.14.dmg file into an old 15" MacBook Pro (2008) with its
    updated Leopard v10.5.8 since
    http://www.apcupsd.org/manual/manual.html#id37 says apcupsd supports Mac
    OS X v10.4.x and higher. However, I was unable to save auto-opened apcupsd.conf that I was required to edit due to lack of admin access
    even though I was using an admin account. So, I tried to edit /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf in Terminal's with su and sudo commands but
    they said something about PAM. I said frak it and rebooted, but it won't
    boot up anymore. :(

    Thank you in advance. :)
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  • From Jolly Roger@21:1/5 to Ant on Mon Feb 20 15:33:13 2017
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.portable, comp.sys.mac.hardware, comp.sys.mac.system
    XPost: comp.sys.mac.systems

    On 2017-02-20, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    Someone asked to run SMART test on the internal HDD. Here are the
    results with an old SMARTreporter app (still failed long tests in the
    same HDD spot):

    [snip]

    SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
    Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
    ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE
    UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
    1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 099 099 062 Pre-fail
    Always - 131072
    2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 100 100 040 Pre-fail
    Offline - 0
    3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 234 234 033 Pre-fail
    Always - 1
    4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 095 095 000 Old_age
    Always - 9139
    5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail
    Always - 0
    7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail
    Always - 0
    8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 100 100 040 Pre-fail
    Offline - 0
    9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 056 056 000 Old_age
    Always - 19436
    10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 060 Pre-fail
    Always - 0
    12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 098 098 000 Old_age
    Always - 4081
    191 G-Sense_Error_Rate 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 0
    192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 8591638708
    193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 069 069 000 Old_age Always
    - 318366
    194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 152 152 000 Old_age Always
    - 36 (Min/Max 15/49)
    195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 0
    196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 0
    197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 1
    198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 100 100 000 Old_age
    Offline - 0
    199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always
    - 0
    223 Load_Retry_Count 0x000a 100 100 000 Old_age Always
    - 0

    That drive is obviously on its way out. I'd go ahead and replace it.

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