• USB Cards, Solaris 10

    From Chris@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 23 22:20:33 2017
    XPost: comp.unix.solaris

    Recently aquired an M3000. Wanted to get a desktop environment
    running, but this machine has no usb ports usable for keyboard
    or mouse. Looked at the HCL pages for Sol 10, but the cards
    listed are few, difficult to find and expensive.

    The problem seems to be that usb 2 cards are now essentially
    obsolete + none of the USB 3 cards worked at all. I did try
    a full height usb 2 card, which worked, so the solution seems
    to be finding a 2 card with the right chip set, is pci-e and
    low profile. Not an easy task.

    Eventually found a card from a dealer in .de with the same chip
    set, on the usual site. Card is a Exsys EX-11064. Chip set is an
    NEC D720101. The other card which worked, a Startech PEX400USB2
    has the same chip set, but is full height. Since it's the chip set
    that matters to the Os drivers, any other card with the same chip
    set should work. The dealer i .de has a load of these cards for
    sale and there are other vendors as well.

    On boot, the gui doesn't start, but this is apparently a known
    bug, which doesn't start the gui if the input and output devices
    in OBP are set to serial console. For reasons best known to
    Fujitsu Sun, those settings have been removed from the OBP syntax.
    The solution is:

    add a link in /dev, then enable the cde-login service:

    cd /dev
    ln -s ./fbs/nfb0 fb
    svcadm enable gdm-login

    Anyway, the M3000 is a fast machine with good single thread
    performance. Interactively and subjectively, as fast or faster
    that the quad core Xeon box in the lab. Perhaps useful to others
    and or, for possible inclusion in the Sol 10 HCL ?...

    Chris

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  • From Casper H.S. Dik@21:1/5 to Chris on Wed May 24 08:38:36 2017
    XPost: comp.unix.solaris

    Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> writes:

    Recently aquired an M3000. Wanted to get a desktop environment
    running, but this machine has no usb ports usable for keyboard
    or mouse. Looked at the HCL pages for Sol 10, but the cards
    listed are few, difficult to find and expensive.

    Does it even have a graphic console or are you using a remote
    type of (X) terminal?

    The problem seems to be that usb 2 cards are now essentially
    obsolete + none of the USB 3 cards worked at all. I did try
    a full height usb 2 card, which worked, so the solution seems
    to be finding a 2 card with the right chip set, is pci-e and
    low profile. Not an easy task.

    The problem might be the fact that most USB 2 controllers
    use ordinary PCI and not something more modern.

    Solaris supports uhci, ohci, ehci and xhci which support
    USB 1.1, USB 1.1, USB 2.0 and USB 3.0, respectively.

    (I'm surprised we even have the xhci driver in Solaris 10, it
    was apparently added to Solaris 10 update 11 and not earlier)

    Eventually found a card from a dealer in .de with the same chip
    set, on the usual site. Card is a Exsys EX-11064. Chip set is an
    NEC D720101. The other card which worked, a Startech PEX400USB2
    has the same chip set, but is full height. Since it's the chip set
    that matters to the Os drivers, any other card with the same chip
    set should work. The dealer i .de has a load of these cards for
    sale and there are other vendors as well.

    I don't think there are any other types of USB controllers so
    I think all USB controllers should work on Solaris.

    I once bought a PCI USB case for a Ultra-10 claiming it was
    an ohci card; but it turned out it was an uhci/ehci card which
    we did not support on SPARC at the time (ehci we did, uhci we
    did not). This was all to support a scroll wheel mouse.

    On boot, the gui doesn't start, but this is apparently a known
    bug, which doesn't start the gui if the input and output devices
    in OBP are set to serial console. For reasons best known to
    Fujitsu Sun, those settings have been removed from the OBP syntax.
    The solution is:

    add a link in /dev, then enable the cde-login service:

    cd /dev
    ln -s ./fbs/nfb0 fb
    svcadm enable gdm-login

    Anyway, the M3000 is a fast machine with good single thread
    performance. Interactively and subjectively, as fast or faster
    that the quad core Xeon box in the lab. Perhaps useful to others
    and or, for possible inclusion in the Sol 10 HCL ?...

    It should also work in Solaris 11 ....

    Thanks for the information. I find the M3000 is bit loud but I
    use one as a Sun Ray server.

    Casper

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  • From Chris@21:1/5 to Casper H.S. Dik on Sat May 27 09:25:29 2017
    XPost: comp.unix.solaris

    On 05/24/17 08:38, Casper H.S. Dik wrote:
    Chris<xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> writes:

    Recently aquired an M3000. Wanted to get a desktop environment
    running, but this machine has no usb ports usable for keyboard
    or mouse. Looked at the HCL pages for Sol 10, but the cards
    listed are few, difficult to find and expensive.

    Does it even have a graphic console or are you using a remote
    type of (X) terminal?

    Put an XVR300 in the box for local gui, which is convenient for
    multi terminal sessions. Haven't tried Xvnc yet, but on another
    machine using the same graphics card and local keyboard, it was
    subjectively faster than the local graphics card. Lightly loaded
    network though.


    The problem seems to be that usb 2 cards are now essentially
    obsolete + none of the USB 3 cards worked at all. I did try
    a full height usb 2 card, which worked, so the solution seems
    to be finding a 2 card with the right chip set, is pci-e and
    low profile. Not an easy task.

    From what I can see, USB3 arrived at a similar time to the mass
    uptake of pci-e. The the result that USB2 became orphaned off, as
    it was not longer economic to make the cards. Problem is that the
    HCL has not been updated to reflect that and is still stuck in
    USB2 land.

    Solaris supports uhci, ohci, ehci and xhci which support
    USB 1.1, USB 1.1, USB 2.0 and USB 3.0, respectively.

    Perhaps it does, but the HCL provides no translation between
    the supported modes and relevant chip sets, which is what matters
    to the OS drivers, not the card manufacturer.

    It should also work in Solaris 11 ....

    Thanks for the information. I find the M3000 is bit loud but I
    use one as a Sun Ray server.

    Casper

    I do this for fun now, but some of us will always want to use Sun
    boxes as workstations and run Sparc architecture. Most server class
    machines are noisy, but that can be solved by racking up in an
    adjacent room and drilling a hole in the wall for the cables :-).

    The M3000 is a it of a sleeper. Great performance for workstation
    use and well down the price curve now if you shop around...

    Chris

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  • From Andrew Gabriel@21:1/5 to Chris on Sat May 27 13:26:30 2017
    XPost: comp.unix.solaris

    In article <ogbgm8$1m0t$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
    Chris <xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> writes:
    On 05/24/17 08:38, Casper H.S. Dik wrote:
    Chris<xxx.syseng.yyy@gfsys.co.uk> writes:

    Recently aquired an M3000. Wanted to get a desktop environment
    running, but this machine has no usb ports usable for keyboard
    or mouse. Looked at the HCL pages for Sol 10, but the cards
    listed are few, difficult to find and expensive.

    Does it even have a graphic console or are you using a remote
    type of (X) terminal?

    Put an XVR300 in the box for local gui, which is convenient for
    multi terminal sessions. Haven't tried Xvnc yet, but on another
    machine using the same graphics card and local keyboard, it was
    subjectively faster than the local graphics card. Lightly loaded
    network though.


    The problem seems to be that usb 2 cards are now essentially
    obsolete + none of the USB 3 cards worked at all. I did try
    a full height usb 2 card, which worked, so the solution seems
    to be finding a 2 card with the right chip set, is pci-e and
    low profile. Not an easy task.

    From what I can see, USB3 arrived at a similar time to the mass
    uptake of pci-e. The the result that USB2 became orphaned off, as
    it was not longer economic to make the cards. Problem is that the
    HCL has not been updated to reflect that and is still stuck in
    USB2 land.

    Solaris supports uhci, ohci, ehci and xhci which support
    USB 1.1, USB 1.1, USB 2.0 and USB 3.0, respectively.

    Perhaps it does, but the HCL provides no translation between
    the supported modes and relevant chip sets, which is what matters
    to the OS drivers, not the card manufacturer.

    It should also work in Solaris 11 ....

    Thanks for the information. I find the M3000 is bit loud but I
    use one as a Sun Ray server.

    Casper

    I do this for fun now, but some of us will always want to use Sun
    boxes as workstations and run Sparc architecture. Most server class
    machines are noisy, but that can be solved by racking up in an
    adjacent room and drilling a hole in the wall for the cables :-).

    The M3000 is a it of a sleeper. Great performance for workstation
    use and well down the price curve now if you shop around...

    It's not a workstation - it's an entry-level server, often used
    in environments where Production uses M4000 and upwards, but you
    want a lower-end system for development, QA, etc and for learning
    Fujitsu's XSCF (ILOM equivalent).

    They were popular with some telcos back in their day, as a SPARC
    system with good (at the time) single thread performance (as did
    all the Fujitsu Mx000 series).

    As Casper suggests, it should work fine as a remote workstation
    via a thin client or other type of desktop system.

    --
    Andrew Gabriel
    [email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

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