• How does the Skylake fix work?

    From Mr Macaw@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 13 12:03:30 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by a software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in the circuits?

    --
    I go fishing; I catch nothing. I go to orgies; I catch everything.

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  • From Trent@21:1/5 to no@spam.com on Wed Jan 13 08:01:40 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by a software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in the circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

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  • From Mr Macaw@21:1/5 to Trent on Wed Jan 13 13:05:47 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by a software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in the circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry?

    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included with motherboard BIOS updates?

    --
    A blonde is walking down a creek. While she's looking around she notices Judi walking along the other side of the creek. She yells to the other blonde. "Hey, how do I get to the other side?"
    Judi replies, "You are on the other side!"

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  • From Mr Macaw@21:1/5 to Trent on Thu Jan 14 14:29:33 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:37:56 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:05:47 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6hbxoa86ebyl@red.lan>:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by a software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in the circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry?

    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included with motherboard BIOS updates?

    Yes, the manufacturer of the MB releases a BIOS update to correct the
    issue. For this particular errata, Intel has given the MB manufacturers
    the information needed to do this.

    I've read in MB BIOS update instructions that it fixes X to do with the CPU, but I always assumed that was a motherboard fault where it didn't work with new types of CPU etc.

    --
    An optimist thinks this is the best possible world.
    A pessimist fears this is true.

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  • From "The Brain" @21:1/5 to Mr Macaw on Wed Jan 13 19:57:55 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics, uk.rec.driving

    Mr Macaw wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof>
    wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by
    a software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in
    the circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry?

    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included
    with motherboard BIOS updates?


    Just add it to the long list of other things that you have never heard of, PHucker.
    Such as getting a job, meeting a woman.
    You are A wanker.

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  • From Trent@21:1/5 to no@spam.com on Thu Jan 14 06:37:56 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:05:47 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6hbxoa86ebyl@red.lan>:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by a software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in the circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry?

    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included with motherboard BIOS updates?

    Yes, the manufacturer of the MB releases a BIOS update to correct the
    issue. For this particular errata, Intel has given the MB manufacturers
    the information needed to do this.

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  • From Colonel Edmund J. Burke@21:1/5 to The Brain on Thu Jan 14 09:51:55 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics, uk.rec.driving

    On 1/13/2016 11:57 AM, The Brain wrote:
    Mr Macaw wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof>
    wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by
    a software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in
    the circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry?

    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included
    with motherboard BIOS updates?


    Just add it to the long list of other things that you have never heard of, PHucker.
    Such as getting a job, meeting a woman.
    You are A wanker.


    It's probably a cock-a-roach, knowing how you live like a porcine swine!

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  • From Ian Field@21:1/5 to brain@thebrain.com on Mon Jan 18 21:30:08 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics, uk.rec.driving

    "The Brain" <the brain@thebrain.com> wrote in message news:n76a8g$gqo$1@news.albasani.net...
    Mr Macaw wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof>
    wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by
    a software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in
    the circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry?

    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included
    with motherboard BIOS updates?


    Just add it to the long list of other things that you have never heard of, PHucker.
    Such as getting a job, meeting a woman.
    You are A wanker.

    He was never quite the same after being abducted by zombies.

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  • From Mr Macaw@21:1/5 to Ian Field on Mon Jan 18 21:33:12 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics, uk.rec.driving

    On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:30:08 -0000, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



    "The Brain" <the brain@thebrain.com> wrote in message news:n76a8g$gqo$1@news.albasani.net...
    Mr Macaw wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof>
    wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by
    a software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in
    the circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry?

    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included
    with motherboard BIOS updates?


    Just add it to the long list of other things that you have never heard of, >> PHucker.
    Such as getting a job, meeting a woman.
    You are A wanker.

    He was never quite the same after being abducted by zombies.

    Says the guy with "gang probing" in his email address.

    --
    A weekend wasted is not a wasted weekend.

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  • From Ian Field@21:1/5 to Mr Macaw on Mon Jan 18 21:41:50 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics, uk.rec.driving

    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.ybgd5mk486ebyl@red.lan...
    On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:30:08 -0000, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



    "The Brain" <the brain@thebrain.com> wrote in message
    news:n76a8g$gqo$1@news.albasani.net...
    Mr Macaw wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof>
    wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in >>>>> Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by >>>>>> a software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in >>>>>> the circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry? >>>>
    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included
    with motherboard BIOS updates?


    Just add it to the long list of other things that you have never heard
    of,
    PHucker.
    Such as getting a job, meeting a woman.
    You are A wanker.

    He was never quite the same after being abducted by zombies.

    Says the guy with "gang probing" in his email address.

    I threw you back.

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  • From The Peeler@21:1/5 to Dumb Guy on Mon Jan 18 22:54:11 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics, uk.rec.driving

    On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:33:12 -0000, Dumb Guy wrote:


    Just add it to the long list of other things that you have never heard of, >>> PHucker.
    Such as getting a job, meeting a woman.
    You are A wanker.

    He was never quite the same after being abducted by zombies.

    Says the guy with "gang probing" in his email address.

    People just don't seem to like you, eh, Phucker? But you don't mind! Another sign of you being a true sociopath! <BG>

    --
    Dumb Guy goes:
    "Cycle lanes are a stupid (and in this case dangerous) idea, and many
    cyclists think so."
    MID: <op.ybgbkty386ebyl@red.lan>

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  • From Ian Field@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 18 22:07:35 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics, uk.rec.driving

    "The Peeler" <finishingoff@TheRevd.invalid> wrote in message news:569d5f22$0$53669$b1db1813$ca8b28d9@news.astraweb.com...
    On Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:33:12 -0000, Dumb Guy wrote:


    Just add it to the long list of other things that you have never heard >>>> of,
    PHucker.
    Such as getting a job, meeting a woman.
    You are A wanker.

    He was never quite the same after being abducted by zombies.

    Says the guy with "gang probing" in his email address.

    People just don't seem to like you, eh, Phucker? But you don't mind!
    Another
    sign of you being a true sociopath! <BG>

    The zombie that ate his brain died of malnutrition.

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  • From Ian Field@21:1/5 to Mr Macaw on Wed Jan 20 21:55:50 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.ya8fvjcf86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:37:56 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:05:47 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6hbxoa86ebyl@red.lan>:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by a >>>>> software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in the >>>>> circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry?

    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included
    with motherboard BIOS updates?

    Yes, the manufacturer of the MB releases a BIOS update to correct the
    issue. For this particular errata, Intel has given the MB manufacturers
    the information needed to do this.

    I've read in MB BIOS update instructions that it fixes X to do with the
    CPU, but I always assumed that was a motherboard fault where it didn't
    work with new types of CPU etc.

    Is that another one you broke on purpose?

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  • From Mr Macaw@21:1/5 to Ian Field on Wed Jan 20 22:20:48 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:55:50 -0000, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.ya8fvjcf86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:37:56 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:05:47 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6hbxoa86ebyl@red.lan>:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> wrote: >>>>
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in >>>>> Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by a >>>>>> software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in the >>>>>> circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry? >>>>
    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included
    with motherboard BIOS updates?

    Yes, the manufacturer of the MB releases a BIOS update to correct the
    issue. For this particular errata, Intel has given the MB manufacturers
    the information needed to do this.

    I've read in MB BIOS update instructions that it fixes X to do with the
    CPU, but I always assumed that was a motherboard fault where it didn't
    work with new types of CPU etc.

    Is that another one you broke on purpose?

    I don't have a Skylake. My i5 3570K is working fine. Skylake is only a third faster, no point in upgrading.

    --
    Please keep your hands off the secretary's reproducing equipment.

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  • From Ian Field@21:1/5 to Mr Macaw on Thu Jan 21 18:33:31 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.ybj5oyrk86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:55:50 -0000, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:op.ya8fvjcf86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:37:56 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:05:47 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in
    Message id: <op.ya6hbxoa86ebyl@red.lan>:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in >>>>>> Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by >>>>>>> a
    software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in the >>>>>>> circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry? >>>>>
    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included >>>>> with motherboard BIOS updates?

    Yes, the manufacturer of the MB releases a BIOS update to correct the
    issue. For this particular errata, Intel has given the MB manufacturers >>>> the information needed to do this.

    I've read in MB BIOS update instructions that it fixes X to do with the
    CPU, but I always assumed that was a motherboard fault where it didn't
    work with new types of CPU etc.

    Is that another one you broke on purpose?

    I don't have a Skylake. My i5 3570K is working fine. Skylake is only a third faster, no point in upgrading.

    So its just advance planning how to break it when you do get one.

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  • From Mr Macaw@21:1/5 to Ian Field on Thu Jan 21 18:57:34 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:33:31 -0000, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.ybj5oyrk86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:55:50 -0000, Ian Field
    <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:op.ya8fvjcf86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:37:56 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> wrote: >>>>
    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:05:47 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in >>>>> Message id: <op.ya6hbxoa86ebyl@red.lan>:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in >>>>>>> Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed by >>>>>>>> a
    software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in the >>>>>>>> circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical circuitry? >>>>>>
    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they included >>>>>> with motherboard BIOS updates?

    Yes, the manufacturer of the MB releases a BIOS update to correct the >>>>> issue. For this particular errata, Intel has given the MB manufacturers >>>>> the information needed to do this.

    I've read in MB BIOS update instructions that it fixes X to do with the >>>> CPU, but I always assumed that was a motherboard fault where it didn't >>>> work with new types of CPU etc.

    Is that another one you broke on purpose?

    I don't have a Skylake. My i5 3570K is working fine. Skylake is only a
    third faster, no point in upgrading.

    So its just advance planning how to break it when you do get one.

    I was just interested how a hardware fault could be fixed by software. See if I burst my car tyre, can I just upload a fix to my car's on board computer?

    --
    A man goes home early and catches another man in bed with his wife.
    He drags the naked man out of the house and into his garden shed.
    There he secures man's penis in a vice and removes the handle, then starts to sharpen a knife.
    The naked man shouts, "You're not going to cut it off are you?"
    "No, you are," was the reply. "I'm going to set fire to the shed"

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  • From Ian Field@21:1/5 to Mr Macaw on Thu Jan 21 21:30:16 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.yblqx8xb86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:33:31 -0000, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:op.ybj5oyrk86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:55:50 -0000, Ian Field
    <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:op.ya8fvjcf86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:37:56 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:05:47 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in >>>>>> Message id: <op.ya6hbxoa86ebyl@red.lan>:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> >>>>>>> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote >>>>>>>> in
    Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed >>>>>>>>> by
    a
    software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in >>>>>>>>> the
    circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical
    circuitry?

    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they
    included
    with motherboard BIOS updates?

    Yes, the manufacturer of the MB releases a BIOS update to correct the >>>>>> issue. For this particular errata, Intel has given the MB
    manufacturers
    the information needed to do this.

    I've read in MB BIOS update instructions that it fixes X to do with
    the
    CPU, but I always assumed that was a motherboard fault where it didn't >>>>> work with new types of CPU etc.

    Is that another one you broke on purpose?

    I don't have a Skylake. My i5 3570K is working fine. Skylake is only a >>> third faster, no point in upgrading.

    So its just advance planning how to break it when you do get one.

    I was just interested how a hardware fault could be fixed by software.
    See if I burst my car tyre, can I just upload a fix to my car's on board computer?

    You just download a certain episode of Futurama and it turns into a
    hovercar.

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  • From Mr Macaw@21:1/5 to Ian Field on Thu Jan 21 21:42:11 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 21:30:16 -0000, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message news:op.yblqx8xb86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:33:31 -0000, Ian Field
    <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:op.ybj5oyrk86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:55:50 -0000, Ian Field
    <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:



    "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in message
    news:op.ya8fvjcf86ebyl@red.lan...
    On Thu, 14 Jan 2016 11:37:56 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:05:47 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote in >>>>>>> Message id: <op.ya6hbxoa86ebyl@red.lan>:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:01:40 -0000, Trent <none@dev.null.pissof> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:03:30 -0000 "Mr Macaw" <no@spam.com> wrote >>>>>>>>> in
    Message id: <op.ya6ef4kx86ebyl@red.lan>:

    Just out of interest, how does a hardware bug in a CPU get fixed >>>>>>>>>> by
    a
    software BIOS update? Isn't the bug a physical misconnection in >>>>>>>>>> the
    circuits?

    Microcode updates.
    https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode

    So the bug was in the firmware of the CPU, not the physical
    circuitry?

    I've never heard of or done a CPU firmware update. Are they
    included
    with motherboard BIOS updates?

    Yes, the manufacturer of the MB releases a BIOS update to correct the >>>>>>> issue. For this particular errata, Intel has given the MB
    manufacturers
    the information needed to do this.

    I've read in MB BIOS update instructions that it fixes X to do with >>>>>> the
    CPU, but I always assumed that was a motherboard fault where it didn't >>>>>> work with new types of CPU etc.

    Is that another one you broke on purpose?

    I don't have a Skylake. My i5 3570K is working fine. Skylake is only a >>>> third faster, no point in upgrading.

    So its just advance planning how to break it when you do get one.

    I was just interested how a hardware fault could be fixed by software.
    See if I burst my car tyre, can I just upload a fix to my car's on board
    computer?

    You just download a certain episode of Futurama and it turns into a
    hovercar.

    Hovervans are more versatile.

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  • From Ian Field@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 21 22:17:20 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    I go fishing; I catch nothing. I go to orgies; I catch everything.


    Does the ridge of your helmet look like something's been nibbling at it?

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  • From Mr Macaw@21:1/5 to Ian Field on Thu Feb 18 19:57:02 2016
    XPost: alt.electronics

    On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 22:17:20 -0000, Ian Field <gangprobing.alien@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    I go fishing; I catch nothing. I go to orgies; I catch everything.


    Does the ridge of your helmet look like something's been nibbling at it?

    https://youtu.be/S6AyWh5j8AQ


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