• Take that Obama! China builds world's fastest supercomputer without U.S

    From Cornelis Tromp@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 20:26:50 2016
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    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance- computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html

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  • From burfordTjustice@21:1/5 to Cornelis Tromp on Mon Jun 20 16:30:22 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:26:50 +0100 (BST)
    Cornelis Tromp <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance- computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html


    Surely winston gave them instructions?

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to nobody@holland.remailer.nl on Mon Jun 20 13:58:56 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 6/20/16, 12:26 PM, in article 3f3ce61edaedd5f00d4da3fd27818f9a@anon.holland.remailer.nl, "Cornelis Tromp" <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance- computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.


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  • From none@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 14:05:02 2016
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    It happens that burfordTjustice formulated :
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:26:50 +0100 (BST)
    Cornelis Tromp <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html


    Surely winston gave them instructions?

    2 points for that one...... :-)

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  • From JEDIDIAH@21:1/5 to burfordTjustice on Mon Jun 20 16:10:53 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-20, burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buf.uk> wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:26:50 +0100 (BST)
    Cornelis Tromp <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html


    Surely winston gave them instructions?

    The Chinese have been building everything else for us. The idea that they can build their own supercomputer or supercomputing cluster is not that far off.
    There are a couple of non-proprietary designs or they could clone the x64 or PPC.

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 20 21:41:06 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance- computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html

    China stole them.

    Obamanigger doesn't know anything about electronics anyway.

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  • From Gary Heston@21:1/5 to burfordTjustice@buf.uk on Mon Jun 20 19:56:02 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    In article <20160620163022.00007089@buf.uk>,
    burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buf.uk> wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:26:50 +0100 (BST)
    Cornelis Tromp <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html


    Surely winston gave them instructions?

    Nah. It'll be running Linux, probably CentOS as opposed to the
    spyware-infested consumer distro they're building for the Chinese
    people.

    China already has a couple of supercomputers, but I don't recall their
    ranking offhand.

    Gary

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  • From Gary Heston@21:1/5 to jedi@nomad.mishnet on Mon Jun 20 20:14:42 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    In article <slrnnmgmut.rk9.jedi@nomad.mishnet>,
    JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
    On 2016-06-20, burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buf.uk> wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:26:50 +0100 (BST)
    Cornelis Tromp <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    [ ... ]

    The Chinese have been building everything else for us. The idea that they
    can build their own supercomputer or supercomputing cluster is not that far off.
    There are a couple of non-proprietary designs or they could clone the x64 or >PPC.

    It's not the supercomputer that's the accomplishment, it's the non-US
    chips being used. Making CPU chips is not trivial; building a fab to
    produce near the level of current Intel and AMD chips is a multi-billion
    dollar exercise.

    Gary

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  • From Melzzzzz@21:1/5 to Gary Heston on Tue Jun 21 03:49:24 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:14:42 -0500
    gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:

    In article <slrnnmgmut.rk9.jedi@nomad.mishnet>,
    JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
    On 2016-06-20, burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buf.uk> wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:26:50 +0100 (BST)
    Cornelis Tromp <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    [ ... ]

    The Chinese have been building everything else for us. The idea
    that they
    can build their own supercomputer or supercomputing cluster is not
    that far off. There are a couple of non-proprietary designs or they
    could clone the x64 or PPC.

    It's not the supercomputer that's the accomplishment, it's the non-US
    chips being used. Making CPU chips is not trivial; building a fab to
    produce near the level of current Intel and AMD chips is a
    multi-billion dollar exercise.

    Gary

    Well, US has banned exports to China, no wonder they have to use
    own chips ;)

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  • From volunteer@21:1/5 to Gary Heston on Tue Jun 21 09:27:55 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 21/06/16 01:56, Gary Heston wrote:
    In article <20160620163022.00007089@buf.uk>,
    burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buf.uk> wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:26:50 +0100 (BST)
    Cornelis Tromp <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html


    Surely winston gave them instructions?

    Nah. It'll be running Linux, probably CentOS

    f*** systemd :-)

    as opposed to the
    spyware-infested consumer distro they're building for the Chinese
    people.

    China already has a couple of supercomputers, but I don't recall their ranking offhand.

    Gary


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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to volunteer on Tue Jun 21 01:52:29 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    In article <nkatqc$dsv$1@dont-email.me>, volunteer <nospam@example.com> wrote:

    On 21/06/16 01:56, Gary Heston wrote:
    In article <20160620163022.00007089@buf.uk>,
    burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buf.uk> wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:26:50 +0100 (BST)
    Cornelis Tromp <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html


    Surely winston gave them instructions?

    Nah. It'll be running Linux, probably CentOS

    f*** systemd :-)

    Real supercomputers run VSOS.

    http://www.ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/super-users-view.html

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Gary Heston on Tue Jun 21 07:00:02 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Gary Heston wrote:

    It's not the supercomputer that's the accomplishment, it's the non-US
    chips being used. Making CPU chips is not trivial; building a fab to
    produce near the level of current Intel and AMD chips is a multi-billion >dollar exercise.

    I'm thinking that they most have made chips that are software
    compatible with an existing ISO? Dong all-new hardware and all-new
    compilers at the same time would be a lot to bite-off at once.

    --
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    "DFS": Except for the 442 Linux supercomputers trailing along behind
    Windows HPC 2008.

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to chrisv on Tue Jun 21 09:48:28 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-21 08:00, chrisv wrote:
    Gary Heston wrote:

    It's not the supercomputer that's the accomplishment, it's the non-US
    chips being used. Making CPU chips is not trivial; building a fab to
    produce near the level of current Intel and AMD chips is a multi-billion
    dollar exercise.

    I'm thinking that they most have made chips that are software
    compatible with an existing ISO? Dong all-new hardware and all-new
    compilers at the same time would be a lot to bite-off at once.

    China has about as many college graduates as the population of the USA.
    More than enough talent & skill pool.

    --
    Best,
    Wolf K
    kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

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  • From Big Bad Bob@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 09:49:32 2016
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    On 06/20/16 12:26, Cornelis Tromp so wittily quipped:
    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance- computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html


    Obaka doesn't make the economy run. private industry does that. Obaka
    can only get in the way. which he does. He needs to *GO* *AWAY*, and
    *NOT* be replaced with something *WORSE* (like Mrs. Clinton).

    --
    your story is so touching, but it sounds just like a lie
    "Straighten up and fly right"

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  • From Big Bad Bob@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 09:50:17 2016
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    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/20/16, 12:26 PM, in article 3f3ce61edaedd5f00d4da3fd27818f9a@anon.holland.remailer.nl, "Cornelis Tromp" <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    fuck you, communist troll



    --
    your story is so touching, but it sounds just like a lie
    "Straighten up and fly right"

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  • From Big Bad Bob@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 09:52:58 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 06/20/16 18:49, Melzzzzz so wittily quipped:
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:14:42 -0500
    gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:

    In article <slrnnmgmut.rk9.jedi@nomad.mishnet>,
    JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
    On 2016-06-20, burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buf.uk> wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:26:50 +0100 (BST)
    Cornelis Tromp <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    [ ... ]

    The Chinese have been building everything else for us. The idea
    that they
    can build their own supercomputer or supercomputing cluster is not
    that far off. There are a couple of non-proprietary designs or they
    could clone the x64 or PPC.

    It's not the supercomputer that's the accomplishment, it's the non-US
    chips being used. Making CPU chips is not trivial; building a fab to
    produce near the level of current Intel and AMD chips is a
    multi-billion dollar exercise.

    Gary

    Well, US has banned exports to China, no wonder they have to use
    own chips ;)


    yeah that would be Obaka getting in the way of the economy. good point.

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  • From Big Bad Bob@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 09:55:20 2016
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    On 06/21/16 06:48, Wolf K so wittily quipped:
    On 2016-06-21 08:00, chrisv wrote:
    Gary Heston wrote:

    It's not the supercomputer that's the accomplishment, it's the non-US
    chips being used. Making CPU chips is not trivial; building a fab to
    produce near the level of current Intel and AMD chips is a multi-billion >>> dollar exercise.

    I'm thinking that they most have made chips that are software
    compatible with an existing ISO? Dong all-new hardware and all-new
    compilers at the same time would be a lot to bite-off at once.

    China has about as many college graduates as the population of the USA.
    More than enough talent & skill pool.


    a college degree is only "proof of potential", and a massive body count
    does NOT make a successful project, like the 'mythical man month'.

    if your culture CONTINUES to discourage true innovation, you can only
    copy others' innovation, "stay within the lines", and not be the nail
    that sticks out too much [and gets the hammer].

    So China is really limited in what they can REALLY accomplish. Cloning
    Intel, and doing it cheaper, might be their highest achievement here.

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.l on Tue Jun 21 09:58:37 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 6/21/16, 9:50 AM, in article
    i9ydnSBLN5G47fTKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com, "Big Bad Bob" <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/20/16, 12:26 PM, in article
    3f3ce61edaedd5f00d4da3fd27818f9a@anon.holland.remailer.nl, "Cornelis Tromp" >> <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate
    change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    fuck you, communist troll


    LOL! And that is about the level of those in denial.


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  • From Big Bad Bob@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 10:00:54 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 06/21/16 09:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/21/16, 9:50 AM, in article i9ydnSBLN5G47fTKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com, "Big Bad Bob" <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/20/16, 12:26 PM, in article
    3f3ce61edaedd5f00d4da3fd27818f9a@anon.holland.remailer.nl, "Cornelis Tromp" >>> <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    fuck you, communist troll


    LOL! And that is about the level of those in denial.



    only arrogant, self-important, SMUG, SOCIALIST FUCKHEADS like *YOU* call
    the *REJECTION* of environmental pseudo-science "in denial".

    --
    your story is so touching, but it sounds just like a lie
    "Straighten up and fly right"

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 12:02:11 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate
    change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.

    --
    "If Freedom is so important to people in COLA, why not move to a more
    Free system?" - the "Snit" thing, attacking the GPL and its
    supporters

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.l on Tue Jun 21 10:18:39 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 6/21/16, 10:00 AM, in article i9ydnVxLN5E-7_TKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com, "Big Bad Bob" <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/21/16 09:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/21/16, 9:50 AM, in article
    i9ydnSBLN5G47fTKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com, "Big Bad Bob"
    <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/20/16, 12:26 PM, in article
    3f3ce61edaedd5f00d4da3fd27818f9a@anon.holland.remailer.nl, "Cornelis Tromp"
    <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    fuck you, communist troll


    LOL! And that is about the level of those in denial.



    only arrogant, self-important, SMUG, SOCIALIST FUCKHEADS like *YOU* call
    the *REJECTION* of environmental pseudo-science "in denial".

    I speak of the actual science, not any pseudo-science. Your claim is
    incorrect.


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  • From JEDIDIAH@21:1/5 to Gary Heston on Tue Jun 21 14:58:56 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-21, Gary Heston <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote:
    In article <slrnnmgmut.rk9.jedi@nomad.mishnet>,
    JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:
    On 2016-06-20, burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@buf.uk> wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:26:50 +0100 (BST)
    Cornelis Tromp <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    [ ... ]

    The Chinese have been building everything else for us. The idea that they >>can build their own supercomputer or supercomputing cluster is not that far off.
    There are a couple of non-proprietary designs or they could clone the x64 or >>PPC.

    It's not the supercomputer that's the accomplishment, it's the non-US
    chips being used. Making CPU chips is not trivial; building a fab to
    produce near the level of current Intel and AMD chips is a multi-billion dollar exercise.

    And what's China exactly? New Zealand?

    There is no good reason to expect poorly of them.

    Underestimating them is a VERY BAD idea.

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  • From JEDIDIAH@21:1/5 to Big Bad Bob on Tue Jun 21 15:03:21 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-21, Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:
    On 06/21/16 06:48, Wolf K so wittily quipped:
    On 2016-06-21 08:00, chrisv wrote:
    Gary Heston wrote:

    It's not the supercomputer that's the accomplishment, it's the non-US
    chips being used. Making CPU chips is not trivial; building a fab to
    produce near the level of current Intel and AMD chips is a multi-billion >>>> dollar exercise.

    I'm thinking that they most have made chips that are software
    compatible with an existing ISO? Dong all-new hardware and all-new
    compilers at the same time would be a lot to bite-off at once.

    China has about as many college graduates as the population of the USA.
    More than enough talent & skill pool.


    a college degree is only "proof of potential", and a massive body count
    does NOT make a successful project, like the 'mythical man month'.

    if your culture CONTINUES to discourage true innovation, you can only
    copy others' innovation, "stay within the lines", and not be the nail
    that sticks out too much [and gets the hammer].

    Rome conquered the world with that approach.

    It doesn't take a "silicon valley genius" to create a new microprocessor.
    Of course like any academic endeavor they will learn from past work. It is possible that they wouldn't even borrow most from Intel. That's just a
    mindless consumer mentality fixating on the "big brand". This chip could represent the latest in academic research. Or it could simply be well optmized for the task it's being put to.

    A supercomputer is really not the domain of x86. Never has been.

    Although there was an Itanium based 1000 cpu NUMA machine.

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  • From JEDIDIAH@21:1/5 to chrisv on Tue Jun 21 15:05:59 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-21, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.


    The whining of Republicans and Tea Baggers in no way interferes with getting ANY kind of business done, or academic research for that matter. Academica has it's own politics quite distinct from the political factions in government.

    Nothing is saving American academia or Silicon Valley from "saving the world".

    Plus, who is doing better exactly. People love to whine about the US but then don't really point to a better alternative without engaging in massive
    BS.

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to JEDIDIAH on Tue Jun 21 13:19:24 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 6/21/16, 1:05 PM, in article slrnnmj7h7.9d1.jedi@nomad.mishnet,
    "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

    On 2016-06-21, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.


    The whining of Republicans and Tea Baggers in no way interferes with getting
    ANY kind of business done, or academic research for that matter. Academica has
    it's own politics quite distinct from the political factions in government.

    Nothing is saving American academia or Silicon Valley from "saving the world".

    Plus, who is doing better exactly. People love to whine about the US but then don't really point to a better alternative without engaging in massive BS.

    How about moving as fast as we can to better energy sources and putting a
    lot of research money into it? That is a simple solution. So is putting lots
    of money into education and infrastructure and health care and NOT
    socializing the costs and risks of the rich.

    All easy solutions... but the rich will not let it happen.


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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to chrisv on Tue Jun 21 17:22:10 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-21 13:02, chrisv wrote:
    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.

    If it costs someone, then someone else is making money.

    Life isn't about making money.

    Idiot.

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to wolfmac@sympatico.ca on Tue Jun 21 14:29:04 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 6/21/16, 2:22 PM, in article 7eiaz.7928$_z3.2270@fx05.iad, "Wolf K" <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2016-06-21 13:02, chrisv wrote:
    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.

    If it costs someone, then someone else is making money.

    Life isn't about making money.

    Idiot.

    The US could *invest* in green technologies and make money. And save money
    in the long run.

    We are costing ourselves money by being idiots and denying science.


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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to Snit on Tue Jun 21 19:20:59 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-21 17:29, Snit wrote:
    On 6/21/16, 2:22 PM, in article 7eiaz.7928$_z3.2270@fx05.iad, "Wolf K" <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2016-06-21 13:02, chrisv wrote:
    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.

    If it costs someone, then someone else is making money.

    Life isn't about making money.

    Idiot.

    The US could *invest* in green technologies and make money. And save money
    in the long run.

    We are costing ourselves money by being idiots and denying science.

    Agreed, but it's a political issue, which means that those who oppose it
    will call it a "subsidy". Kiss of death, even among many supporters.

    Have a good day,

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    Wolf K
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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to wolfmac@sympatico.ca on Tue Jun 21 17:23:16 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 6/21/16, 4:20 PM, in article xZjaz.7934$_z3.4942@fx05.iad, "Wolf K" <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2016-06-21 17:29, Snit wrote:
    On 6/21/16, 2:22 PM, in article 7eiaz.7928$_z3.2270@fx05.iad, "Wolf K"
    <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2016-06-21 13:02, chrisv wrote:
    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.

    If it costs someone, then someone else is making money.

    Life isn't about making money.

    Idiot.

    The US could *invest* in green technologies and make money. And save money in
    the long run.

    We are costing ourselves money by being idiots and denying science.

    Agreed, but it's a political issue, which means that those who oppose it will call it a "subsidy". Kiss of death, even among many supporters.

    The reality, though, is we subsidize / socialize the costs of pollution. If
    we stopped doing so and had the cost of carbon emissions put into the price
    of the products then we would quickly move to greener tech.

    Our current system is insane.

    Have a good day,

    You, too. :)

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  • From Big Bad Bob@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 19:52:47 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 06/21/16 18:32, Gary Heston so wittily quipped:
    Yes, heavily edited.

    [ ... ]

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    [ ... ]

    You do realize that the earths' climate has been changing constantly
    for over four BILLION years? Throughout that time, the climate has
    been both significantly warmer and significantly cooler than it is
    now. All without intervention by that minor skin irritation called
    "humanity".

    Climate change is simply a fact of life to be noted; sometimes it'll
    be warmer, sometimes colder, mor stormy or less. It has never been a
    static system, and never will be until the sun goes nova and blasts
    away the atmosphere and oceans. And at that point humanity will have
    spread to other star systems, or vanished and been replaced.

    The doomsday screaming is a combination of politics and fraud.

    [ ... ]

    The US could *invest* in green technologies and make money. And save money in
    the long run.
    [ ... ]

    Nope. Spain tried to convert to solar and wind; it's destroyed their
    economy. Even Google tried to power a data center with wind/solar, and
    even they couldn't make it work.


    The best energy source available in terms of reliability and
    cleanliness is nuclear.


    Gary

    (I say at least four billion years because the estimates I've seen
    regarding the earths' age is 4.5 billion years, and I'm allowing
    500,000,000 years for the planet formation to stablize enough for a
    climate to form.)



    I pretty much agree with you. careful engaging 'Snit', though, he's one
    of the worst *kinds* of trolls. you might want to feed him for a while,
    but he'll just get really LOUD and obnoxious and vent all over every
    forum in existence, waste time writing a thesis on you personally and
    how fucked your ideas are, etc. etc. etc. - it's funny to watch, yeah,
    but gets boring pretty fast. Lately I just tell him to fuck off, if
    anything at all.


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  • From Gary Heston@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 21 20:32:26 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Yes, heavily edited.

    [ ... ]

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    [ ... ]

    You do realize that the earths' climate has been changing constantly
    for over four BILLION years? Throughout that time, the climate has
    been both significantly warmer and significantly cooler than it is
    now. All without intervention by that minor skin irritation called
    "humanity".

    Climate change is simply a fact of life to be noted; sometimes it'll
    be warmer, sometimes colder, mor stormy or less. It has never been a
    static system, and never will be until the sun goes nova and blasts
    away the atmosphere and oceans. And at that point humanity will have
    spread to other star systems, or vanished and been replaced.

    The doomsday screaming is a combination of politics and fraud.

    [ ... ]

    The US could *invest* in green technologies and make money. And save money in
    the long run.
    [ ... ]

    Nope. Spain tried to convert to solar and wind; it's destroyed their
    economy. Even Google tried to power a data center with wind/solar, and
    even they couldn't make it work.


    The best energy source available in terms of reliability and
    cleanliness is nuclear.


    Gary

    (I say at least four billion years because the estimates I've seen
    regarding the earths' age is 4.5 billion years, and I'm allowing
    500,000,000 years for the planet formation to stablize enough for a
    climate to form.)

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.l on Tue Jun 21 19:59:32 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 6/21/16, 7:52 PM, in article
    luGdnXS1-e3KYPTKnZ2dnUU7-RudnZ2d@earthlink.com, "Big Bad Bob" <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/21/16 18:32, Gary Heston so wittily quipped:
    Yes, heavily edited.

    [ ... ]

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    [ ... ]

    You do realize that the earths' climate has been changing constantly
    for over four BILLION years? Throughout that time, the climate has
    been both significantly warmer and significantly cooler than it is
    now. All without intervention by that minor skin irritation called
    "humanity".

    Climate change is simply a fact of life to be noted; sometimes it'll
    be warmer, sometimes colder, mor stormy or less. It has never been a
    static system, and never will be until the sun goes nova and blasts
    away the atmosphere and oceans. And at that point humanity will have
    spread to other star systems, or vanished and been replaced.

    The doomsday screaming is a combination of politics and fraud.

    [ ... ]

    The US could *invest* in green technologies and make money. And save money
    in
    the long run.
    [ ... ]

    Nope. Spain tried to convert to solar and wind; it's destroyed their
    economy. Even Google tried to power a data center with wind/solar, and
    even they couldn't make it work.


    The best energy source available in terms of reliability and
    cleanliness is nuclear.


    Gary

    (I say at least four billion years because the estimates I've seen
    regarding the earths' age is 4.5 billion years, and I'm allowing
    500,000,000 years for the planet formation to stablize enough for a
    climate to form.)



    I pretty much agree with you. careful engaging 'Snit', though, he's one
    of the worst *kinds* of trolls. you might want to feed him for a while,
    but he'll just get really LOUD and obnoxious and vent all over every
    forum in existence, waste time writing a thesis on you personally and
    how fucked your ideas are, etc. etc. etc. - it's funny to watch, yeah,
    but gets boring pretty fast. Lately I just tell him to fuck off, if
    anything at all.

    You are the one attacking - not me. I will just ask you to stick to the
    topic and NOT write derogatory fan fiction about people.


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  • From Jack Ryan@21:1/5 to Gary Heston on Wed Jun 22 07:18:07 2016
    XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.politics.obama, alt.privacy.anon-server

    In article <FbadnYJnYNE3d_TKnZ2dnUU7-d3NnZ2d@posted.hiwaay2>
    gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote:

    Yes, heavily edited.

    [ ... ]

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    [ ... ]

    You do realize that the earths' climate has been changing constantly
    for over four BILLION years? Throughout that time, the climate has
    been both significantly warmer and significantly cooler than it is
    now. All without intervention by that minor skin irritation called
    "humanity".

    But usually at a much slower pace than what we see now.


    Climate change is simply a fact of life to be noted; sometimes it'll
    be warmer, sometimes colder, mor stormy or less. It has never been a
    static system, and never will be until the sun goes nova and blasts
    away the atmosphere and oceans. And at that point humanity will have
    spread to other star systems, or vanished and been replaced.

    Spread to other star systems? Through wormhole bridges I guess. ;)


    The doomsday screaming is a combination of politics and fraud.

    [ ... ]

    The US could *invest* in green technologies and make money. And save money in
    the long run.
    [ ... ]

    Nope. Spain tried to convert to solar and wind; it's destroyed their
    economy. Even Google tried to power a data center with wind/solar, and
    even they couldn't make it work.

    http://qz.com/680661/germany-had-so-much-renewable-energy-on-sunday-that-it-had-to-pay-people-to-use-electricity/

    Energy prices went down, the initial subsidies are now cut. A win-win situation for the producers of renewable power and the population.

    Only German politicians are just too stupid to make the former energy monopolists, who unfortunately own the transmission grid, build more
    lines to bring that power to the consumer. Or are they mobbed-up by
    these big energy companies, which with their ancient nuclear and coal
    plants suffer from cheap decentralized power production?



    The best energy source available in terms of reliability and
    cleanliness is nuclear.

    Nuclear power clean? More than a hundred years ago Roentgen discovered
    x-rays, followed by Becquerel, who discovered the phenomenon of
    radioactivity. You should learn about that.

    So where to put radioactive waste for hundreds or thousands of years?
    Don't forget about these hidden costs of nuclear energy, and the costs
    of nuclear pollution in case something goes wrong.

    Or think about ground water poisoned by natural gas fracking chemicals.

    And read the WSJ article
    Six Myths About Renewable Energy
    The impact on jobs and other assumptions that don't hold up anymore http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324432404579052900100464562

    Why does a society, armed to the teeth to defend its freedom, bind
    itself to big energy monopolists, who dictate what's good or bad?

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Wolf K on Wed Jun 22 08:05:38 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Wolf K wrote:

    chrisv wrote:

    Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.

    If it costs someone, then someone else is making money.

    That effect exists, yes, but the net effect of pollution control is
    increased costs, thus increased prices on goods and services.

    I'm not saying that this is a bad trade-off, but it *is* a trade-off.
    If we take a shit on mother Earth, we can afford more "stuff".

    Life isn't about making money.

    "Making money" is a huge part of life.

    Idiot.

    Stating facts to debunk the "Snit" thing's "logic" hardly me an
    "idiot".

    On the other hand, your reading into my post something that was not
    there...

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to Gary Heston on Wed Jun 22 09:19:55 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-21 21:32, Gary Heston wrote:
    [...]
    You do realize that the earths' climate has been changing constantly
    for over four BILLION years?
    [...]

    Quite so.

    Thus the question is, Is the climate changing faster now than than in
    the past?

    Attempts to answer that question go back to the 1970s, when the
    supercomputers of the day enabled the first robust climate models. The
    builders were flummoxed when some of the many test runs suggested that
    the climate could "flip" in less than 1,000 years. Too fast, compared to
    the geological record, and therefore impossible, right?

    Wrong.

    Observations over the past 150 or so indicate that the climate is
    changing quite fast. Minor climate changes were already known, eg, the
    Little Ice Age around 1600 +/-, so there are historical examples of
    fast, if small, changes.

    Next question: How much faster, and how much more?

    Answer: We don't know. But every attempt at forecasting the rate of
    change has underestimated it. In fact, every past climate model has underestimated the rate and amount of climate change, especially in precariously balanced regions such as the Arctic. So the models are
    updated, a new forecasts are run. And they underestimate the changes
    once again.

    Have a good day,

    --
    Best,
    Wolf K
    kirkwood40.blogspot.ca

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Wolf K on Wed Jun 22 09:31:27 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    Wolf K wrote:

    Bottom line: Housekeeping will cost you. If you don't do it now, you'll
    have to do it later. Then it will cost more.

    The problem is, people are selfish, and they figure that they'll be
    dead before the shit hits the fan, or that "the little people" will
    take the brunt of the effects.

    --
    "Have you tried Bing? I quite like it." - "True Linux advocate"
    Hadron Quark

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to chrisv on Wed Jun 22 10:15:41 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-22 09:05, chrisv wrote:
    Wolf K wrote:

    chrisv wrote:

    Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.

    If it costs someone, then someone else is making money.

    That effect exists, yes, but the net effect of pollution control is
    increased costs, thus increased prices on goods and services.

    The net effect is the monetising of the costs. The costs are what they
    are, whether monetised or not. Pollution is a cost, whether you clean it
    up or not. Only question: cheaper to clean it up now, or let it go?

    I'm not saying that this is a bad trade-off, but it *is* a trade-off.
    If we take a shit on mother Earth, we can afford more "stuff".

    Necessities aren't a trade-off. You can trade-off amenities and
    luxuries, but not necessities.

    Life isn't about making money.

    "Making money" is a huge part of life.

    I'll rephrase: Thinking of making money as a purpose of the economy is
    like thinking of pumping blood as the purpose of the body.

    Idiot.

    Stating facts to debunk the "Snit" thing's "logic" hardly me an
    "idiot".

    I was using your argument pattern. Shouldn't have done that. Please
    forgive my discourtesy.

    Facts don't prove or debunk. It's their arrangement into propositions
    that prove or debunk. And the facts must be both relevant (relatively
    easy) and complete (quite difficult). Incomplete facts may lull us into thinking there is no problem.

    On the other hand, your reading into my post something that was not
    there...

    I don't think so. While your point was valid enough, it was unsound,
    because it was a) incomplete; and b) confused money and cost. $1 is to
    cost as 1ft is to size. That's all. The cost of pollution must still be
    paid, whether it's measured in dollars or not. And it will be paid, if
    not now then later.

    Bottom line: Housekeeping will cost you. If you don't do it now, you'll
    have to do it later. Then it will cost more.

    PS: Money is a measure of cost, not cost as such. Trouble is, most
    people fallen into the mistake of believing that if there's no $$$
    attached, there's no cost. Surely you know better than that.

    Have a good day,

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  • From Wolf K@21:1/5 to chrisv on Wed Jun 22 12:03:53 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-22 10:31, chrisv wrote:
    Wolf K wrote:

    Bottom line: Housekeeping will cost you. If you don't do it now, you'll
    have to do it later. Then it will cost more.

    The problem is, people are selfish, and they figure that they'll be
    dead before the shit hits the fan, or that "the little people" will
    take the brunt of the effects.

    Yes, but some windmills are worth tilting at all the same.

    have a good day,

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to wolfmac@sympatico.ca on Wed Jun 22 08:40:39 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 6/22/16, 7:15 AM, in article j4xaz.24034$sN4.5819@fx18.iad, "Wolf K" <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:

    On 2016-06-22 09:05, chrisv wrote:
    Wolf K wrote:

    chrisv wrote:

    Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.

    If it costs someone, then someone else is making money.

    That effect exists, yes, but the net effect of pollution control is
    increased costs, thus increased prices on goods and services.

    The net effect is the monetising of the costs. The costs are what they
    are, whether monetised or not. Pollution is a cost, whether you clean it
    up or not. Only question: cheaper to clean it up now, or let it go?

    I'm not saying that this is a bad trade-off, but it *is* a trade-off.
    If we take a shit on mother Earth, we can afford more "stuff".

    Necessities aren't a trade-off. You can trade-off amenities and
    luxuries, but not necessities.

    Life isn't about making money.

    "Making money" is a huge part of life.

    I'll rephrase: Thinking of making money as a purpose of the economy is
    like thinking of pumping blood as the purpose of the body.

    Idiot.

    Stating facts to debunk the "Snit" thing's "logic" hardly me an
    "idiot".

    I was using your argument pattern. Shouldn't have done that. Please
    forgive my discourtesy.

    Facts don't prove or debunk. It's their arrangement into propositions
    that prove or debunk. And the facts must be both relevant (relatively
    easy) and complete (quite difficult). Incomplete facts may lull us into thinking there is no problem.

    On the other hand, your reading into my post something that was not
    there...

    I don't think so. While your point was valid enough, it was unsound,
    because it was a) incomplete; and b) confused money and cost. $1 is to
    cost as 1ft is to size. That's all. The cost of pollution must still be
    paid, whether it's measured in dollars or not. And it will be paid, if
    not now then later.

    Bottom line: Housekeeping will cost you. If you don't do it now, you'll
    have to do it later. Then it will cost more.

    PS: Money is a measure of cost, not cost as such. Trouble is, most
    people fallen into the mistake of believing that if there's no $$$
    attached, there's no cost. Surely you know better than that.

    Have a good day,

    What we need to do is find the approximate cost from the pollution in terms
    of how much it will cost to people and environmental cleanup... then include the cost in the price of products. Stop socializing the costs. But conservatives LOVE socialism for the rich.


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  • From GreyCloud@21:1/5 to JEDIDIAH on Wed Jun 22 11:34:09 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 06/20/16 15:10, JEDIDIAH wrote:
    On 2016-06-20, burfordTjustice<burfordTjustice@buf.uk> wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 20:26:50 +0100 (BST)
    Cornelis Tromp<nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html


    Surely winston gave them instructions?

    The Chinese have been building everything else for us. The idea that they
    can build their own supercomputer or supercomputing cluster is not that far off.
    There are a couple of non-proprietary designs or they could clone the x64 or PPC.


    The new Chinese designed and manufactured SW26010 product sports a
    260-core design.

    This article contains a little more technical information:

    http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/230458-meet-the-new-worlds-fastest-supercomputer-chinas-taihulight

    Neil Rieck
    Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.
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  • From JEDIDIAH@21:1/5 to Wolf K on Wed Jun 22 13:10:55 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-22, Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> wrote:
    On 2016-06-21 21:32, Gary Heston wrote:
    [...]
    You do realize that the earths' climate has been changing constantly
    for over four BILLION years?
    [...]

    Quite so.

    Thus the question is, Is the climate changing faster now than than in
    the past?

    The real question is "what do we do about it".

    How do we adapt? Can we stop or reverse the process? Would we want
    to try even if we could do that?

    [deletia]

    Someone besides the Pentagon should be writing up contingency plans at
    this point.

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  • From JEDIDIAH@21:1/5 to chrisv on Wed Jun 22 13:12:38 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 2016-06-22, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Wolf K wrote:

    chrisv wrote:

    Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.

    If it costs someone, then someone else is making money.

    That effect exists, yes, but the net effect of pollution control is
    increased costs, thus increased prices on goods and services.

    Pollution is an externality. It's going to cost someone something. The resulting damage will potentially be even more costly.

    However, this is an issue completely orthogonal to climate change.

    You don't need climate change hysterics in order to contemplate policy
    as it relates to pollution or impacting the environment.

    [deletia]

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to JEDIDIAH on Wed Jun 22 11:41:38 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 6/22/16, 11:12 AM, in article slrnnmll8m.h2h.jedi@nomad.mishnet,
    "JEDIDIAH" <jedi@nomad.mishnet> wrote:

    On 2016-06-22, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Wolf K wrote:

    chrisv wrote:

    Snit so wittily quipped:

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    Climate change is ignored because dealing with it *costs* money.

    In no way does that let others get ahead in areas that *make* money.

    Idiot.

    If it costs someone, then someone else is making money.

    That effect exists, yes, but the net effect of pollution control is
    increased costs, thus increased prices on goods and services.

    Pollution is an externality. It's going to cost someone something. The resulting damage will potentially be even more costly.

    However, this is an issue completely orthogonal to climate change.

    Pollution is heavily tied to climate change.

    You don't need climate change hysterics in order to contemplate policy
    as it relates to pollution or impacting the environment.

    What "hysterics" do you mean... people who understand the science?


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  • From Nathan Hale@21:1/5 to Big Bad Bob on Wed Jun 22 19:58:57 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    In article <i9ydnVxLN5E-7_TKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com>
    Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/21/16 09:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/21/16, 9:50 AM, in article i9ydnSBLN5G47fTKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com, "Big Bad Bob" <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/20/16, 12:26 PM, in article
    3f3ce61edaedd5f00d4da3fd27818f9a@anon.holland.remailer.nl, "Cornelis Tromp"
    <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    fuck you, communist troll


    LOL! And that is about the level of those in denial.



    only arrogant, self-important, SMUG, SOCIALIST FUCKHEADS like *YOU* call
    the *REJECTION* of environmental pseudo-science "in denial".

    Lol! Talk about oxymorons, "environmental pseudo-science" is a
    social and solar energy business agenda based on skewed climate
    modeling to advance something that is not occurring.

    You want to see another example of social agendas? Take a look
    at Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago. Same enviro/pseudo/social
    activist dummies driving the buses, same identical failed result
    in all three cities.

    You'd think somebody intelligent would figure out that social
    agendas are 100% complete utter failures.

    You want to see success? Look at Norway.

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  • From Jeremy Bentham@21:1/5 to Big Bad Bob on Sun Jun 26 07:01:20 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    In article <i9ydnVxLN5E-7_TKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com>
    Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/21/16 09:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/21/16, 9:50 AM, in article i9ydnSBLN5G47fTKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com, "Big Bad Bob" <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/20/16, 12:26 PM, in article
    3f3ce61edaedd5f00d4da3fd27818f9a@anon.holland.remailer.nl, "Cornelis Tromp"
    <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    fuck you, communist troll


    LOL! And that is about the level of those in denial.



    only arrogant, self-important, SMUG, SOCIALIST FUCKHEADS like *YOU* call
    the *REJECTION* of environmental pseudo-science "in denial".

    Lol! Talk about oxymorons, "environmental pseudo-science" is a
    social and solar energy business agenda based on skewed climate
    modeling to advance something that is not occurring.

    You want to see another example of social agendas? Take a look
    at Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago. Same enviro/pseudo/social
    activist dummies driving the buses, same identical failed result
    in all three cities.

    You'd think somebody intelligent would figure out that social
    agendas are 100% complete utter failures.

    You want to see success? Look at Norway.

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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to nobody@remailer.org.uk on Wed Jun 22 12:11:44 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 6/22/16, 11:58 AM, in article aa70016b6df711f9d38a572e08d3794d@remailer.org.uk, "Nathan Hale" <nobody@remailer.org.uk> wrote:

    In article <i9ydnVxLN5E-7_TKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com>
    Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/21/16 09:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/21/16, 9:50 AM, in article
    i9ydnSBLN5G47fTKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com, "Big Bad Bob"
    <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/20/16, 12:26 PM, in article
    3f3ce61edaedd5f00d4da3fd27818f9a@anon.holland.remailer.nl, "Cornelis >>>>> Tromp"
    <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    fuck you, communist troll


    LOL! And that is about the level of those in denial.



    only arrogant, self-important, SMUG, SOCIALIST FUCKHEADS like *YOU* call
    the *REJECTION* of environmental pseudo-science "in denial".

    Lol! Talk about oxymorons, "environmental pseudo-science" is a
    social and solar energy business agenda based on skewed climate
    modeling to advance something that is not occurring.

    You want to see another example of social agendas? Take a look
    at Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago. Same enviro/pseudo/social
    activist dummies driving the buses, same identical failed result
    in all three cities.

    You'd think somebody intelligent would figure out that social
    agendas are 100% complete utter failures.

    You want to see success? Look at Norway.


    If you think you can show what you think is true *scientifically* then
    please do so. I think we can agree that even if 99% of relevant scientists agree to the basic ideas on a theory, say how gravity increases
    exponentially as you get closer, you can still hand-pick those that
    disagree. So show a relevant scientific organization with a stated position
    you think is largely correct... or just show a *scientific* website which
    shows the ideas you are think0 are largely correct.

    Scientific.

    I welcome it.


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  • From Snit@21:1/5 to nobody@anemone.mooo.com on Sat Jun 25 22:14:28 2016
    XPost: alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.politics.obama, comp.os.linux.advocacy XPost: alt.comp.os.windows-10

    On 6/25/16, 10:01 PM, in article aa70016b6df711f9d38a572e08d3794d@anemone.mooo.com, "Jeremy Bentham" <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> wrote:

    In article <i9ydnVxLN5E-7_TKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com>
    Big Bad Bob <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/21/16 09:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/21/16, 9:50 AM, in article
    i9ydnSBLN5G47fTKnZ2dnUU7-UednZ2d@earthlink.com, "Big Bad Bob"
    <BigBadBob-at-mrp3-dot-com@testing.local> wrote:

    On 06/20/16 13:58, Snit so wittily quipped:
    On 6/20/16, 12:26 PM, in article
    3f3ce61edaedd5f00d4da3fd27818f9a@anon.holland.remailer.nl, "Cornelis >>>>> Tromp"
    <nobody@holland.remailer.nl> wrote:

    http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085483/high-performance-
    computing/china-builds-world-s-fastest-supercomputer-without-u-s-
    chips.html

    The US ignores science to the point that many deny the basics of climate >>>>> change. They are actively working to let others get ahead.

    fuck you, communist troll


    LOL! And that is about the level of those in denial.



    only arrogant, self-important, SMUG, SOCIALIST FUCKHEADS like *YOU* call
    the *REJECTION* of environmental pseudo-science "in denial".

    Lol! Talk about oxymorons, "environmental pseudo-science" is a
    social and solar energy business agenda based on skewed climate
    modeling to advance something that is not occurring.

    If you think the models that show climate change are skewed, then show the SCIENTIFIC site you think gets it largely correct. A real, true SCIENTIFIC site.

    But you will not. You are pushing science denial, not actual science.

    You want to see another example of social agendas? Take a look
    at Detroit, Baltimore and Chicago. Same enviro/pseudo/social
    activist dummies driving the buses, same identical failed result
    in all three cities.

    You'd think somebody intelligent would figure out that social
    agendas are 100% complete utter failures.

    You want to see success? Look at Norway.




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