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  • 6085 XDE 5.0 setttimedove.boot

    From Al Kossow@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 13 08:50:57 2016
    the perennial '937' problem

    just installed 6085 XDE 5.0 from floppies but there is no option in the installer to load and setup to boot settimedove.boot from the copilot volume

    someone must have figured this out

    on the other hand, since none of the compilers or actual useful stuff is installed,
    since you're SUPPOSED to fetch this off the XNS network, maybe not.

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    was there ever an XDE 6.0 install on floppies?

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  • From Huge@21:1/5 to Al Kossow on Thu Oct 13 18:03:39 2016
    On 2016-10-13, Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> wrote:
    the perennial '937' problem

    just installed 6085 XDE 5.0 from floppies but there is no option in the installer to load and setup to boot settimedove.boot from the copilot volume

    someone must have figured this out

    on the other hand, since none of the compilers or actual useful stuff is installed,
    since you're SUPPOSED to fetch this off the XNS network, maybe not.

    Has *no-one* implemented an XNS time-server on, say, Linux?

    How about trying to track this guy down?

    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.15.423&rep=rep1&type=pdf

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  • From Al Kossow@21:1/5 to Huge on Fri Oct 14 06:05:22 2016
    On 10/13/16 11:03 AM, Huge wrote:

    Has *no-one* implemented an XNS time-server on, say, Linux?


    There are Unix implementations of XNS from way back, but as far as I know
    no one has moved these forward to modern systems.

    My first message was a bit cryptic, mainly to target folks who would be familiar with the problem to reply. The problem is the designers of the
    OS wisely knew that running with the clock not set was a bad idea, so
    unless the software boot switch "\200" is set, the system will hang at
    MP code 937 waiting for the network time server to reply. There are a
    couple of ways around the problem. Provide a modern clock service on the
    net, install a boot program that forces the user to enter the time and
    date, then jump to the OS boot, or boot without setting the date and either have a program run at startup manually or in the startup script to do it.
    There isn't a general solution to installing the time setting boot program, since it requires a partition separate from the OS to install the boot file into, and I'm not sure how it knows which partition to reboot into. The only example I've seen of that was reusing the Scavenger partition in ViewPoint
    when installing a Standalone system. I'm not sure yet how Interlisp-D sets
    the time (have to pull my installation disks out of storage).
    So what I was looking for was if this was solved back in the day in a general fashion

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  • From blw@21:1/5 to Al Kossow on Sat May 15 03:39:41 2021
    On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 4:04:30 PM UTC+3, Al Kossow wrote:
    On 10/13/16 11:03 AM, Huge wrote:

    Has *no-one* implemented an XNS time-server on, say, Linux?


    There are Unix implementations of XNS from way back, but as far as I know
    no one has moved these forward to modern systems.

    My first message was a bit cryptic, mainly to target folks who would be familiar with the problem to reply. The problem is the designers of the
    OS wisely knew that running with the clock not set was a bad idea, so
    unless the software boot switch "\200" is set, the system will hang at
    MP code 937 waiting for the network time server to reply. There are a
    couple of ways around the problem. Provide a modern clock service on the
    net, install a boot program that forces the user to enter the time and
    date, then jump to the OS boot, or boot without setting the date and either have a program run at startup manually or in the startup script to do it. There isn't a general solution to installing the time setting boot program, since it requires a partition separate from the OS to install the boot file into, and I'm not sure how it knows which partition to reboot into. The only example I've seen of that was reusing the Scavenger partition in ViewPoint when installing a Standalone system. I'm not sure yet how Interlisp-D sets the time (have to pull my installation disks out of storage).
    So what I was looking for was if this was solved back in the day in a general fashion

    Hello,
    There is an implementation of an XNS File, Print, Time, Mail & Clearinghouse servers on Java, it's called Dodo, and it can be found here: https://github.com/devhawala/dodo

    Install it from dist.zip, configure it according to the documentation, start NetHub, NetHubGateway and the server itself, figure out a way to connect to your 6085, and it should all work! (At least, I've seen people make it connect!)

    -blw

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