• What are some old cool programs for Mac OS v9 & X v10.2.8?

    From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 19 00:19:04 2020
    Hello.

    I have an old 15" PowerBook G4 (1 Ghz) with its updated Mac OS v10.2.8
    and v9. What are some cool useful apps to use in them these days? I know
    online apps will be useless since they are very old. Hopefulyl, I can
    still download something in them. If not, then I can use my USB1 flash (stick/drive)s and LAN. I tried Linux (tried various PowerPC
    distributions) in it, but it was just too slow, could never get its wifi
    to work, and frustrating compared to PCs. :(

    What are some old cool Mac OS programs for Mac OS v9 & X v10.2.8? Thank
    you for reading and hopefully answering. :)
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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jun 19 18:22:22 2020
    On 2020-06-19 05:19:04 +0000, Ant said:

    Hello.

    I have an old 15" PowerBook G4 (1 Ghz) with its updated Mac OS v10.2.8
    and v9. What are some cool useful apps to use in them these days? I know online apps will be useless since they are very old. Hopefulyl, I can
    still download something in them. If not, then I can use my USB1 flash (stick/drive)s and LAN. I tried Linux (tried various PowerPC
    distributions) in it, but it was just too slow, could never get its wifi
    to work, and frustrating compared to PCs. :(

    What are some old cool Mac OS programs for Mac OS v9 & X v10.2.8? Thank
    you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    Go to http://macintoshgarden.org
    There is lots and lots of old software for old Macs, both games and apps.

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  • From Stephen Cole@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jun 19 06:17:49 2020
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    Hello.

    I have an old 15" PowerBook G4 (1 Ghz) with its updated Mac OS v10.2.8
    and v9. What are some cool useful apps to use in them these days? I know online apps will be useless since they are very old. Hopefulyl, I can
    still download something in them. If not, then I can use my USB1 flash (stick/drive)s and LAN. I tried Linux (tried various PowerPC
    distributions) in it, but it was just too slow, could never get its wifi
    to work, and frustrating compared to PCs. :(

    What are some old cool Mac OS programs for Mac OS v9 & X v10.2.8? Thank
    you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    One of, if not *the* most useful OS9 app is DragThing. It’s kinda like OSX’s dock, but much better. :) It’ll change the way you use OS9!

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DragThing

    Various versions on my site:

    https://www.vintageapplemac.com/software/utilities/?u=DragThing

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Your Name on Fri Jun 19 03:12:39 2020
    Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    On 2020-06-19 05:19:04 +0000, Ant said:

    Hello.

    I have an old 15" PowerBook G4 (1 Ghz) with its updated Mac OS v10.2.8
    and v9. What are some cool useful apps to use in them these days? I know online apps will be useless since they are very old. Hopefulyl, I can
    still download something in them. If not, then I can use my USB1 flash (stick/drive)s and LAN. I tried Linux (tried various PowerPC
    distributions) in it, but it was just too slow, could never get its wifi
    to work, and frustrating compared to PCs. :(

    What are some old cool Mac OS programs for Mac OS v9 & X v10.2.8? Thank
    you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    Go to http://macintoshgarden.org
    There is lots and lots of old software for old Macs, both games and apps.

    Thanks. Ooh, even mac OSes like Leopard!
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  • From Adrian Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Ant on Fri Jun 19 12:33:57 2020
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Hello.

    I have an old 15" PowerBook G4 (1 Ghz) with its updated Mac OS v10.2.8
    and v9. What are some cool useful apps to use in them these days? I know online apps will be useless since they are very old. Hopefulyl, I can
    still download something in them. If not, then I can use my USB1 flash (stick/drive)s and LAN. I tried Linux (tried various PowerPC
    distributions) in it, but it was just too slow, could never get its wifi
    to work, and frustrating compared to PCs. :(

    What are some old cool Mac OS programs for Mac OS v9 & X v10.2.8? Thank
    you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    By far the most useful collection of programs on OS8.6 and OS9 is
    "Claris Works". I still run my entire business on CW 4.0 and use it for everything in the office.


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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to Adrian Tuddenham on Fri Jun 19 16:51:35 2020
    Adrian Tuddenham <adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    Hello.

    I have an old 15" PowerBook G4 (1 Ghz) with its updated Mac OS v10.2.8
    and v9. What are some cool useful apps to use in them these days? I know online apps will be useless since they are very old. Hopefulyl, I can
    still download something in them. If not, then I can use my USB1 flash (stick/drive)s and LAN. I tried Linux (tried various PowerPC
    distributions) in it, but it was just too slow, could never get its wifi
    to work, and frustrating compared to PCs. :(

    What are some old cool Mac OS programs for Mac OS v9 & X v10.2.8? Thank
    you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    By far the most useful collection of programs on OS8.6 and OS9 is
    "Claris Works". I still run my entire business on CW 4.0 and use it for everything in the office.

    Wow, how is its compatbility with the newer MS Office documents?
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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Jun 20 10:57:27 2020
    On 2020-06-19 08:12:39 +0000, Ant said:
    Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com> wrote:
    On 2020-06-19 05:19:04 +0000, Ant said:

    Hello.

    I have an old 15" PowerBook G4 (1 Ghz) with its updated Mac OS v10.2.8
    and v9. What are some cool useful apps to use in them these days? I know >>> online apps will be useless since they are very old. Hopefulyl, I can
    still download something in them. If not, then I can use my USB1 flash
    (stick/drive)s and LAN. I tried Linux (tried various PowerPC
    distributions) in it, but it was just too slow, could never get its wifi >>> to work, and frustrating compared to PCs. :(

    What are some old cool Mac OS programs for Mac OS v9 & X v10.2.8? Thank
    you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    Go to http://macintoshgarden.org
    There is lots and lots of old software for old Macs, both games and apps.

    Thanks. Ooh, even mac OSes like Leopard!

    Yep, any Mac software older than 10 years is considered "abandonware"
    and uploaded to that very useful resource website for us vintage Mac
    fans.

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  • From ErikRS@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Jun 20 02:50:40 2020
    Ant wrote:
    Adrian Tuddenham <adrian@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    I have an old 15" PowerBook G4 (1 Ghz) with its updated Mac OS v10.2.8
    and v9. What are some cool useful apps to use in them these days? I know >>> online apps will be useless since they are very old. Hopefulyl, I can
    still download something in them. If not, then I can use my USB1 flash
    (stick/drive)s and LAN. I tried Linux (tried various PowerPC
    distributions) in it, but it was just too slow, could never get its wifi >>> to work, and frustrating compared to PCs. :(

    What are some old cool Mac OS programs for Mac OS v9 & X v10.2.8? Thank
    you for reading and hopefully answering. :)

    By far the most useful collection of programs on OS8.6 and OS9 is
    "Claris Works". I still run my entire business on CW 4.0 and use it for
    everything in the office.

    Wow, how is its compatbility with the newer MS Office documents?

    CW 4.x/AWKS 4.0v4 (forgot to tell that CW changed name with update to
    v.4.0v4) is somewhat compatible with the first MSOffice X (ver. 10.x) in
    .doc., .xls, .rtf and a few other MS file types, but it isnot compatible
    with .docx and .rtfd files. - Only common .doc, .rtf and .xls files from
    newer MSO can be read and edited in CW 4.x/AWKS 4.x.

    Other useful apps for OS 9.x / OS X 10.2.x could be Claris Filemaker
    2.1v3 or 3.0v1 if you can find a copy of one of these.

    Of craphics apps Adobe Photoshop 3.0.5 still are among the better Adobe
    apps. Same is Macromedia Freehand v.5.5 (v5.5 though only usable on OS X
    10.0.x and 10.1.x).

    If you would like to work with video, Macromedia Director 7 is still one
    of the best for OS 7.5.3 up to OS X 10.0.x. Director can even be used as
    a picture editor by double-clicking one a frame, the frame will open
    into full-size and can be edited and saved as either .tiff or .jpg. -
    This feature was removed in the last Macromedia Director 8.:-(

    Repair and maintanace tools... Here Norton Works 6.x is a (nearly)
    'must-have' tool for OS 8.x, 9.x, 10.0.x and 10.1.x. NU v6.5 is also
    usable, but it reqires at least OS 9.0.4, but then also works up to and including OS X 10.3.9. - NOTE! DONOT use NU on OS X 10.4.x or newer
    systems!!!

    Also Alsoft DiskWarrior 1.5 or 2.x can be used on both OS 8.6 up to and including OS X 10.2.x. Ver. 1.x can even be run from a floppy drive.
    Ver. 2.x requires a CD/DVD drive.

    And not to forget MacLink Plus 9.x or 10.x. It can convert to/from about 200-300 different file types...

    Cheers, Erik Richard

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  • From ErikRS@21:1/5 to Adrian Tuddenham on Sat Jun 20 02:19:20 2020
    Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
    By far the most useful collection of programs on OS8.6 and OS9 is
    "Claris Works". I still run my entire business on CW 4.0 and use it for everything in the office.

    And you can even upgrade with full compatibility to "ClarisWorks 5.x
    Office". Both the spreadsheet and database parts are faster than the
    AWKS 4.0v4. AWKS Office 5 will run from OS 8.6 up to and incl. OS X 10.1.x.

    If you also have - let's say - OS X 10.2.x, you'll need at least AWKS
    6.0v1 or higher. - AWKS 6.2.8 for OS 9.x and AWKS 6.2.9 for OS X +10.2.x.

    cheers, Erik Richard

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 19 21:00:16 2020
    ...
    Thanks. Ooh, even mac OSes like Leopard!

    Yep, any Mac software older than 10 years is considered "abandonware"
    and uploaded to that very useful resource website for us vintage Mac
    fans.

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I hope it
    still comes with Mac OS 9.
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to ant@zimage.comANT on Fri Jun 19 22:19:24 2020
    In article <T5qdnZsm8tkt8HDDnZ2dnUU7-dOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:


    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

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  • From Ant@21:1/5 to nospam on Fri Jun 19 22:21:33 2020
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <T5qdnZsm8tkt8HDDnZ2dnUU7-dOdnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:


    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    Oh, only Mac OS X Jaguar v10.2.8? :(
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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Sat Jun 20 00:51:00 2020
    In article <rck4dk$7ft$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
    <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    There's also a bit of a hiccup in that one of them (I can't
    remember off the top of my head which one it is) needs to be on the
    hard drive's first partition to be able to be seen for booting.

    no.

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Jun 20 16:47:48 2020
    On 2020-06-20 02:00:16 +0000, Ant said:
    ...
    Thanks. Ooh, even mac OSes like Leopard!

    Yep, any Mac software older than 10 years is considered "abandonware"
    and uploaded to that very useful resource website for us vintage Mac
    fans.

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    You will need separate OS 9 and OS X install discs and do one at a
    time. There's also a bit of a hiccup in that one of them (I can't
    remember off the top of my head which one it is) needs to be on the
    hard drive's first partition to be able to be seen for booting.

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  • From Adrian Tuddenham@21:1/5 to ErikRS on Sat Jun 20 10:46:07 2020
    ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid> wrote:

    Adrian Tuddenham wrote:
    By far the most useful collection of programs on OS8.6 and OS9 is
    "Claris Works". I still run my entire business on CW 4.0 and use it for everything in the office.

    And you can even upgrade with full compatibility to "ClarisWorks 5.x
    Office".

    I tried it but there was too much eye-candy, so I went back to CW4 and
    ditched CW5. I seem to remember it also automatically installed
    unwanted things in the OS that I had to track down and delete

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  • From ErikRS@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Jun 20 15:06:34 2020
    Ant wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I hope it >>> still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    Oh, only Mac OS X Jaguar v10.2.8? :(

    The Mac OS X 10.4.1 PPC only CD version (4x CD) also included Mac OS 9.1
    with Finder ver. 9.2. I do still have this CD set standing on the
    bookshelf. The OS 9 Finder ver. 9.2 is needed for the System Update to
    update classic Mac OS 9.1 to ver. 9.2.2.

    For the Intel only version of OS X 10.4.x on DVD it's true - no OS 9. -
    The same for the Universal Binary (UB) ver. of OS X 10.4.x on DVD - no
    OS 9.x.

    Cheers, Erik Richard

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  • From ErikRS@21:1/5 to Ant on Sat Jun 20 14:56:57 2020
    Ant wrote:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I hope it >>> still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    Oh, only Mac OS X Jaguar v10.2.8? :(

    The Mac OS X 10.4.1 PPC only CD version (4x CD) also included Mac OS 9.1
    with Finder ver. 9.3. I do still have this CD set standing on the
    bookshelf. The OS 9 Finder ver. 9.2 is needed for the System Update to
    update classic Mac OS 9.1 to ver. 9.2.2.

    For the Intel only version of OS X 10.4.x on DVD it's true - no OS 9. -
    The same for the Universal Binary (UB) ver. of OS X 10.4.x on DVD - no
    OS 9.x.

    Cheers, Erik Richard

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    NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Text Processing - www.nisus.com Openoffice.org - The Modern Productivity Solution - www.openoffice.org ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 20 11:56:00 2020
    In article <rcl12p$9ul$1@solani.org>, ErikRS <mac-dane@is.invalid>
    wrote:

    The Mac OS X 10.4.1 PPC only CD version (4x CD) also included Mac OS 9.1
    with Finder ver. 9.3.

    no it didn't.

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  • From Andreas Rutishauser@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 21 10:36:04 2020
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I hope it >>> still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    My PowerBook G4 Titanium runs MacOS 9.1 and MaOS X

    Cheers
    Andreas

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Rutishauser on Sun Jun 21 09:27:26 2020
    In article <andreas-1EA633.10360421062020@news.individual.de>, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I hope >>> it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    My PowerBook G4 Titanium runs MacOS 9.1 and MaOS X

    it didn't come with leopard, nor can it even run it.

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  • From Andreas Rutishauser@21:1/5 to nospam on Mon Jun 22 07:59:20 2020
    In article <210620200927264656%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <andreas-1EA633.10360421062020@news.individual.de>, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I hope
    it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    that's right, the Titanium came with Mac OS 9.1 (later models of the
    Titanizm added Mac OS X 10.1.1)

    My PowerBook G4 Titanium runs MacOS 9.1 and MaOS X

    it didn't come with leopard, nor can it even run it.

    That's right for early models of the G4 PowerBook, where Tiger ist the
    maximum (10.4.11), later models supported Leopard (10.5.8)

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Andreas Rutishauser on Mon Jun 22 18:11:15 2020
    On 2020-06-21 08:36:04 +0000, Andreas Rutishauser said:
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I hope >>>>> it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    My PowerBook G4 Titanium runs MacOS 9.1 and MaOS X

    Cheers
    Andreas

    Yes, but the install discs for each version of MacOS are separate and
    have to be installed separately.

    Part of the reason it was done that way is so that people who didn't
    want one of them for whatever reason didn't have to install it.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Mon Jun 22 02:19:17 2020
    In article <rcpi22$1hse$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
    <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I hope >>>>> it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    My PowerBook G4 Titanium runs MacOS 9.1 and MaOS X

    Yes, but the install discs for each version of MacOS are separate and
    have to be installed separately.

    Part of the reason it was done that way is so that people who didn't
    want one of them for whatever reason didn't have to install it.

    no, the reason is that they were entirely separate products.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Rutishauser on Mon Jun 22 02:19:17 2020
    In article <andreas-95CEF8.07592022062020@news.individual.de>, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I >>> hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    that's right, the Titanium came with Mac OS 9.1 (later models of the
    Titanizm added Mac OS X 10.1.1)

    macs came with macos 9, for macs that could run it.

    mac os x did not include mac os 9. no reason why it would.

    also, leopard was released long after the mac os 9 funeral, thus it
    could never have included it.

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  • From Andreas Rutishauser@21:1/5 to nospam on Tue Jun 23 07:56:38 2020
    In article <220620200219173420%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <andreas-95CEF8.07592022062020@news.individual.de>, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I >>> hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    that's right, the Titanium came with Mac OS 9.1 (later models of the Titanizm added Mac OS X 10.1.1)

    macs came with macos 9, for macs that could run it.

    so why do you write: "it never came with mac os 9."?

    mac os x did not include mac os 9. no reason why it would.

    Noone wrote that.What is the reason you mention this?

    also, leopard was released long after the mac os 9 funeral, thus it
    could never have included it.

    Noone is writing about "included", but installing, which is possible
    with certain models of PowerBook G4.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Rutishauser on Tue Jun 23 07:42:28 2020
    In article <andreas-E222DF.07563823062020@news.individual.de>, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. >>> I hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    that's right, the Titanium came with Mac OS 9.1 (later models of the Titanizm added Mac OS X 10.1.1)

    macs came with macos 9, for macs that could run it.

    so why do you write: "it never came with mac os 9."?

    because the original claim was about leopard and mac os 9.

    mac os x did not include mac os 9. no reason why it would.

    Noone wrote that.What is the reason you mention this?

    the original poster did.

    also, leopard was released long after the mac os 9 funeral, thus it
    could never have included it.

    Noone is writing about "included", but installing, which is possible
    with certain models of PowerBook G4.

    read it again.

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  • From Andreas Rutishauser@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Jun 24 08:24:46 2020
    In article <230620200742280014%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <andreas-E222DF.07563823062020@news.individual.de>, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB >>> G4.
    I hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    that's right, the Titanium came with Mac OS 9.1 (later models of the Titanizm added Mac OS X 10.1.1)

    macs came with macos 9, for macs that could run it.

    so why do you write: "it never came with mac os 9."?

    because the original claim was about leopard and mac os 9.

    I don't understand your logic. There are PB G4 models that came with Mac
    OS 9 that can run Leopard.

    mac os x did not include mac os 9. no reason why it would.

    Noone wrote that.What is the reason you mention this?

    the original poster did.

    The OP ist writing about a computer that could cpme with OSs, not OSs
    including aother OSs.

    also, leopard was released long after the mac os 9 funeral, thus it
    could never have included it.

    Noone is writing about "included", but installing, which is possible
    with certain models of PowerBook G4.

    read it again.

    That would be you.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to Rutishauser on Wed Jun 24 08:54:13 2020
    In article <andreas-77B343.08244624062020@news.individual.de>, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB >>> G4. I hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    that's right, the Titanium came with Mac OS 9.1 (later models of the Titanizm added Mac OS X 10.1.1)

    macs came with macos 9, for macs that could run it.

    so why do you write: "it never came with mac os 9."?

    because the original claim was about leopard and mac os 9.

    I don't understand your logic.

    clearly.

    There are PB G4 models that came with Mac
    OS 9 that can run Leopard.

    nobody said they didn't.

    mac os x did not include mac os 9. no reason why it would.

    Noone wrote that.What is the reason you mention this?

    the original poster did.

    The OP ist writing about a computer that could cpme with OSs, not OSs including aother OSs.

    no, he was writing about leopard coming with mac os 9.

    it did not, nor could it have, since mac os 9 had long been dead and
    buried by the time leopard was released.

    many people mistakenly think mac os x included mac os 9 because it
    included the classic environment. it did not.

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  • From Stephen Cole@21:1/5 to nospam on Wed Jun 24 17:23:55 2020
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <andreas-77B343.08244624062020@news.individual.de>, Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB >>>>>>>>>>>> G4. I hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    that's right, the Titanium came with Mac OS 9.1 (later models of the >>>>>> Titanizm added Mac OS X 10.1.1)

    macs came with macos 9, for macs that could run it.

    so why do you write: "it never came with mac os 9."?

    because the original claim was about leopard and mac os 9.

    I don't understand your logic.

    clearly.

    There are PB G4 models that came with Mac
    OS 9 that can run Leopard.

    nobody said they didn't.

    mac os x did not include mac os 9. no reason why it would.

    Noone wrote that.What is the reason you mention this?

    the original poster did.

    The OP ist writing about a computer that could cpme with OSs, not OSs
    including aother OSs.

    no, he was writing about leopard coming with mac os 9.

    it did not, nor could it have, since mac os 9 had long been dead and
    buried by the time leopard was released.

    many people mistakenly think mac os x included mac os 9 because it
    included the classic environment. it did not.


    Gentlemen, please stop arguing.

    --
    M0TEY // STC // #SaveOurNHS

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  • From Your Name@21:1/5 to Stephen Cole on Thu Jun 25 10:02:46 2020
    On 2020-06-24 17:23:55 +0000, Stephen Cole said:

    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <andreas-77B343.08244624062020@news.individual.de>, Andreas
    Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB >>>>>>>>>>>>> G4. I hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    that's right, the Titanium came with Mac OS 9.1 (later models of the >>>>>>> Titanizm added Mac OS X 10.1.1)

    macs came with macos 9, for macs that could run it.

    so why do you write: "it never came with mac os 9."?

    because the original claim was about leopard and mac os 9.

    I don't understand your logic.

    clearly.

    There are PB G4 models that came with Mac
    OS 9 that can run Leopard.

    nobody said they didn't.

    mac os x did not include mac os 9. no reason why it would.

    Noone wrote that.What is the reason you mention this?

    the original poster did.

    The OP ist writing about a computer that could cpme with OSs, not OSs
    including aother OSs.

    no, he was writing about leopard coming with mac os 9.

    it did not, nor could it have, since mac os 9 had long been dead and
    buried by the time leopard was released.

    many people mistakenly think mac os x included mac os 9 because it
    included the classic environment. it did not.

    Gentlemen, please stop arguing.

    Classic wouldn't work unless you installed MacOS 9. It wasn't an
    in-built funciton of MacOS X itself, it was basically a virtualisation, similar-ish to running Windows under Parallels or VMWare. With the
    appropriate options you could watch MacOS 9 booting within MacOS X when
    you first used "Classic", including the good old "march of the
    extension icons".

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to YourName@YourISP.com on Wed Jun 24 18:27:02 2020
    In article <rd0ii4$pnh$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Your Name
    <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:


    Classic wouldn't work unless you installed MacOS 9. It wasn't an
    in-built funciton of MacOS X itself, it was basically a virtualisation, similar-ish to running Windows under Parallels or VMWare.

    classic, aka blue box, absolutely was an integral part of mac os x,
    which provided for booting mac os 9 and running classic mac os apps.

    With the
    appropriate options you could watch MacOS 9 booting within MacOS X when
    you first used "Classic", including the good old "march of the
    extension icons".

    no options needed.

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  • From Mike Dee@21:1/5 to Andreas Rutishauser on Thu Jun 25 02:05:28 2020
    Andreas Rutishauser wrote:

    In article <220620200219173420%nospam@nospam.invalid>,
    nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <andreas-95CEF8.07592022062020@news.individual.de>,
    Andreas Rutishauser <andreas@macandreas.ch> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this
    old PB G4. I hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    that's right, the Titanium came with Mac OS 9.1 (later models
    of the Titanizm added Mac OS X 10.1.1)

    macs came with macos 9, for macs that could run it.

    so why do you write: "it never came with mac os 9."?

    He was writing about Leopard Mac OS 10.5.x

    It (Leopard) did not ship-with or support Mac OS 9 (Classic mode)

    His PB G4 can easily run Mac OS 9 and Leopard 10.5.x But must boot
    natively into one or the other's OS. That is Leopard does not support
    running Classic Mac programs, only native PPC Mac OS X programs.

    --
    dee

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  • From Mike Dee@21:1/5 to Your Name on Thu Jun 25 01:53:54 2020
    Your Name wrote:

    On 2020-06-20 02:00:16 +0000, Ant said:
    ...
    Thanks. Ooh, even mac OSes like Leopard!

    Yep, any Mac software older than 10 years is considered
    "abandonware" and uploaded to that very useful resource website
    for us vintage Mac fans.

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this old PB G4. I
    hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    You will need separate OS 9 and OS X install discs and do one at a
    time. There's also a bit of a hiccup in that one of them (I can't
    remember off the top of my head which one it is) needs to be on
    the hard drive's first partition to be able to be seen for
    booting.

    I think that was in relation to Old World ROM Macs like the Beige G3
    and earlier. These needed OS X to be installed on the first partition
    in a HD, and that partition needed to be 8GB or less in size.

    This shouldn't affect New World ROM Macs like a G4


    --
    dee

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to mikedee@emteedee.invalid on Wed Jun 24 22:08:16 2020
    In article <XnsABE77AF90C99mikedee@emteedee.invalid>, Mike Dee <mikedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote:

    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this
    old PB G4. I hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    that's right, the Titanium came with Mac OS 9.1 (later models
    of the Titanizm added Mac OS X 10.1.1)

    macs came with macos 9, for macs that could run it.

    so why do you write: "it never came with mac os 9."?

    He was writing about Leopard Mac OS 10.5.x

    correct.

    It (Leopard) did not ship-with or support Mac OS 9 (Classic mode)

    yes it did.

    what it did not ship with was mac os 9.

    His PB G4 can easily run Mac OS 9 and Leopard 10.5.x But must boot
    natively into one or the other's OS. That is Leopard does not support
    running Classic Mac programs, only native PPC Mac OS X programs.

    absolutely false.

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  • From nospam@21:1/5 to nospam@nospam.invalid on Thu Jun 25 06:39:13 2020
    In article <240620202208161013%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:


    I am going to try installing a new Leopard into this
    old PB G4. I hope it still comes with Mac OS 9.

    it never did.

    what did it never?

    it never came with mac os 9.

    that's right, the Titanium came with Mac OS 9.1 (later models
    of the Titanizm added Mac OS X 10.1.1)

    macs came with macos 9, for macs that could run it.

    so why do you write: "it never came with mac os 9."?

    He was writing about Leopard Mac OS 10.5.x

    correct.

    It (Leopard) did not ship-with or support Mac OS 9 (Classic mode)

    yes it did.

    what it did not ship with was mac os 9.

    His PB G4 can easily run Mac OS 9 and Leopard 10.5.x But must boot
    natively into one or the other's OS. That is Leopard does not support running Classic Mac programs, only native PPC Mac OS X programs.

    absolutely false.

    not sure what i was thinking. leopard is when classic was nixed, as
    well as tiger when running on intel.

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