• Announcement ZG91-0116 IBM 7533 Industrial Computer Model B31 and Model

    From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 8 08:00:50 2024
    https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/announcements/archive/ENUSZG91-0116

    Bench-Top (B31) and a Rack Mount (R31)

    Both models come standard with a 80286/10MHz processor
    30 byte (MB) hardfile
    one 3.5 Inch 1.44 million byte (MB) Diskette Drive
    180W Battery-Backed PSU (requires installation of battery feature #6669)
    1MB memory
    four (4) customer available I/O expansion slots

    MONEY SHOT !

    "The IBM 7533 Industrial Computer Model B31 and Model R31 are available
    in E/ME/A only. "

    No wonder I've never seen or heard of one.

    180 Watt Battery Backup * 7541, 7542 6669 57F0842
    7561, 7562
    180 Watt Power Supply ** 7541, 7542 6738 57F2725
    with battery backup 7561, 7562
    (Field Installed)
    * 7541/42 or 7561/62 above s/n 5502000 order FC6669 PN57F0842.
    ** 7541/42 or 7561/62 below s/n 5502000 order FC6738 PN57F2725.

    I wunder if PN57F2725 is the PSU + battery pack. It would be neat-o
    daddy-O to findt out the construction of the battery pack.

    "continuous operation through brief main-power interruptions (nominal
    default of 10 seconds)"

    So the expected normular use of the battery pack is only expeculated to
    last 10 seconds. That is not the total capacity. Of course, the run time
    on the backup battery depends on the installed options.

    There appears to be a PCB that fits over the power header on the system
    board, it -MIGHT- convert the 8570-ish output to any required 8530-286 voltages. Dunno. I put our man in Berlin on this. My two semesters of
    college German are only gut enough to get my face slapped in a bar...

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Mon Jan 8 21:51:55 2024
    An internally mounted battery allows continuous operation through brief
    main power interruptions (up to 10 (+/- 10%) seconds at full load for a
    maximum of one occurrence per hour). The battery is recharged
    automatically when the system is connected to normal AC power.

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    "continuous operation through brief main-power interruptions (nominal
    default of 10 seconds)"

    So the expected normular use of the battery pack is only expeculated to
    last 10 seconds. That is not the total capacity. Of course, the run time
    on the backup battery depends on the installed options.

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Tue Jan 9 10:36:26 2024
    How much voltage is used to charge a NiCd battery? The charger is rated
    for 26v, but what is the battery voltage?

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    An internally mounted battery allows continuous operation through brief
    main power interruptions (up to 10 (+/- 10%) seconds at full load for a maximum of one occurrence per hour). The battery is recharged
    automatically when the system is connected to normal AC power.

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    "continuous operation through brief main-power interruptions (nominal
    default of 10 seconds)"

    So the expected normular use of the battery pack is only expeculated
    to last 10 seconds. That is not the total capacity. Of course, the run
    time on the backup battery depends on the installed options.

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Tue Jan 9 10:27:46 2024
    How big...

    "Full Load" is 180W... So we can pull 10 seconds of full load.

    How does this equate to Watt Hours?

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    An internally mounted battery allows continuous operation through brief
    main power interruptions (up to 10 (+/- 10%) seconds at full load for a maximum of one occurrence per hour). The battery is recharged
    automatically when the system is connected to normal AC power.

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    "continuous operation through brief main-power interruptions (nominal
    default of 10 seconds)"

    So the expected normular use of the battery pack is only expeculated
    to last 10 seconds. That is not the total capacity. Of course, the run
    time on the backup battery depends on the installed options.

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Tue Jan 9 10:59:41 2024
    More guesstimation.

    NiCd charges between 1.4 to 1.5 v per cell. The efficiency of the charge
    is @ 83%.

    So... 26 / 1.4 is @ 18. 18 * .83 is just shy of 15.

    So... Maybe the 180W PSU battery is a 3x5 pack?

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    How much voltage is used to charge a NiCd battery? The charger is rated
    for 26v, but what is the battery voltage?

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    An internally mounted battery allows continuous operation through
    brief main power interruptions (up to 10 (+/- 10%) seconds at full
    load for a maximum of one occurrence per hour). The battery is
    recharged automatically when the system is connected to normal AC power.

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    "continuous operation through brief main-power interruptions (nominal
    default of 10 seconds)"

    So the expected normular use of the battery pack is only expeculated
    to last 10 seconds. That is not the total capacity. Of course, the
    run time on the backup battery depends on the installed options.

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  • From Rick Ekblaw@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Tue Jan 9 16:58:25 2024
    Louis Ohland wrote:
    More guesstimation.

    NiCd charges between 1.4 to 1.5 v per cell. The efficiency of the charge
    is @ 83%.

    So... 26 / 1.4 is @ 18. 18 * .83 is just shy of 15.

    So... Maybe the 180W PSU battery is a 3x5 pack?

    Probably not NiCd cells, sealed lead acid in a 24V stack (12 cells)
    would be more likely.

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Rick Ekblaw on Tue Jan 9 18:26:10 2024
    The back up battery in a 7568 Gearbox is NiCd.

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/50_70/Power.html#7561_PSU

    "There is a 9.25" (W) x 1.75" (H) hinged cover on the lower outer side
    of the PSU. It is fastened at the front by a single captive standard
    screw. The cover pivots open on the rear hinges, revealing a three pin
    Molex power connector, like a female drive power connector. The battery
    cavity is 1.875" deep."

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YiQAAOSwtbViM62W/s-l1600.jpg

    So... you think a sealed lead acid battery of 12 cells will fit?

    Please give me an example, that will most certainly help...

    Rick Ekblaw wrote:
    Louis Ohland wrote:
    More guesstimation.

    NiCd charges between 1.4 to 1.5 v per cell. The efficiency of the
    charge is @ 83%.

    So... 26 / 1.4 is @ 18. 18 * .83 is just shy of 15.

    So... Maybe the 180W PSU battery is a 3x5 pack?

    Probably not NiCd cells, sealed lead acid in a 24V stack (12 cells)
    would be more likely.


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  • From Rick Ekblaw@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Wed Jan 10 08:20:13 2024
    Louis Ohland wrote:

    "There is a 9.25" (W) x 1.75" (H) hinged cover on the lower outer side
    of the PSU. It is fastened at the front by a single captive standard
    screw. The cover pivots open on the rear hinges, revealing a three pin
    Molex power connector, like a female drive power connector. The battery cavity is 1.875" deep."

    https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/YiQAAOSwtbViM62W/s-l1600.jpg

    So... you think a sealed lead acid battery of 12 cells will fit?

    Please give me an example, that will most certainly help...

    Sure, you can make a SLA battery pack into most any shape you want if
    you're not opposed to creating a non-standard design point -- and IBM is
    famous for "going their own way", especially in their earlier days. The
    key here is that the battery pack needs to put out 180W of power for 10
    or 11 seconds, then it gets recharged to be ready for the next power
    dip. That's a poor usage case for NiCD, which suffers from the memory
    effect if you don't discharge slowly and most of the way towards full discharge, but lead-acid can dump out power quickly and cycle often,
    though doing that lowers the pack lifetime, it would probably need to be replaced every 3 years or so.

    The sort of SLA battery that most people are familiar with today would
    be a 1290 pack (12V, 9Ah) which is commonly used in UPS units and
    electric scooters for the disabled/elderly. The dimensions on the 1290
    are roughly 5 3/4" x 2 1/2" x 3 3/4", so that's not going to fit in the
    PSU compartment, but it also has way more energy capacity than is needed
    for this application (and you'd need two of them in series to get to
    24V). A small 24V stack with 5% of the capacity of a 1290 could be made
    as thin as 1 inch, though the thicker you make the plates the more
    capacity you'll have available and the pack will last longer.

    And IBM made custom SLA pack configurations on many "big iron" products,
    like the mainframes and storage boxes. Those packs were huge, heavy and expensive, but of course they were designed to provide a lot more power
    for a longer period of time so that the "big iron" could shut down
    gracefully when the power went out. But even the smaller DS5020 storage
    boxes had a small battery pack that could make sure that the write cache
    was written to DASD when a power outage struck, though that pack used
    lithium cells. In today's designs, lithium is going to beat lead-acid
    at least 90% of the time. A lot of IBM's ServeRAID adapters also had a
    lithium backup battery pack, and all of the crypto adapters had backup batteries -- all of which were custom IBM designs.

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