• Curious Mark has Model 77 woes

    From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 14 19:15:25 2021
    Curious Mark (YouTube), Kern Sherif, and soon Tube Time are debugging a
    model 77 that died on them.

    There are currently two videos with hints at a third. I suspect this
    video series will end up being interesting. They will likely go to
    great lengths to get the model 77 working.

    They may punt and replace it with another MCA system as their stated
    goal is to get the S/370 + Bus & Tag interface working so that they can communicate with some B&T tape drives and printer.



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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Sun Aug 15 18:30:16 2021
    Yep, can't wait to see where this series goes. Here are the first two
    episodes for those who are not subscribed (you should be!):

    https://youtu.be/GjCUsmro2VY
    https://youtu.be/CMyKVerpyaI

    Marc has some unorthodox delidding methods... :-D

    On 15.8.2021 3:15, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Curious Mark (YouTube), Kern Sherif, and soon Tube Time are debugging a
    model 77 that died on them.

    There are currently two videos with hints at a third.  I suspect this
    video series will end up being interesting.  They will likely go to
    great lengths to get the model 77 working.

    They may punt and replace it with another MCA system as their stated
    goal is to get the S/370 + Bus & Tag interface working so that they can communicate with some B&T tape drives and printer.


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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Sun Aug 15 10:46:01 2021
    On 8/15/21 10:30 AM, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    Yep, can't wait to see where this series goes. Here are the first
    two episodes for those who are not subscribed (you should be!):

    Agreed. I have always enjoyed watching Mark's and Ken's efforts.

    https://youtu.be/GjCUsmro2VY
    https://youtu.be/CMyKVerpyaI

    Thank you for the links. It was problematic for me to get them into my
    news client when I originally posted. (Local client had the videos,
    where I was RDPed to something to run VNC to my news client. Copy and
    what you say???)

    Marc has some unorthodox delidding methods... :-D

    ~chuckle~

    I think my favorite was the end mill and a blow torch.



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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Sun Aug 15 19:05:19 2021
    On 15.8.2021 18:46, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 8/15/21 10:30 AM, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    Yep, can't wait to see where this series goes. Here are the first two
    episodes for those who are not subscribed (you should be!):

    Agreed.  I have always enjoyed watching Mark's and Ken's efforts.

    https://youtu.be/GjCUsmro2VY
    https://youtu.be/CMyKVerpyaI

    Thank you for the links.  It was problematic for me to get them into my
    news client when I originally posted.  (Local client had the videos,
    where I was RDPed to something to run VNC to my news client.  Copy and
    what you say???)

    Marc has some unorthodox delidding methods... :-D

    ~chuckle~

    I think my favorite was the end mill and a blow torch.


    He has a lot of toys and is not afraid to use them!

    (btw Dave and I are in touch with Marc and his team regarding the Model
    77 problem)

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Sun Aug 15 10:43:53 2021
    On 8/14/21 7:15 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Kern Sherif

    *Ken Shirriff

    Sorry for the typo - nay butchering - Ken, no disrespect intended.



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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Sun Aug 15 19:00:25 2021
    And for the sake of completeness, here is Ken's blog:

    http://www.righto.com/

    A lot of IBM goodness, among other things. Borderline p0rnographic...

    On 15.8.2021 18:43, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 8/14/21 7:15 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Kern Sherif

    *Ken Shirriff

    Sorry for the typo - nay butchering - Ken, no disrespect intended.


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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Sun Aug 15 16:15:18 2021
    On 8/15/21 11:05 AM, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    He has a lot of toys and is not afraid to use them!

    Indeed.

    (btw Dave and I are in touch with Marc and his team regarding the
    Model 77 problem)

    Cool.

    I tweeted Mark a few times while watching the video. The fact that the convenience (reference) partition is not required ~> reference disks
    will work with or without the convenience partition. The fact that it's possible to ""bless (for lack of a better word) the reference disk after Windows (et al.) messes up it's marker.

    I got the distinct impression that PS/2s were ... foreign to Mark. So,
    being in contact with someone that's more familiar is a good thing. :-)



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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Sun Aug 15 20:30:34 2021
    I surfed both videos. I'm not sure what is going on.

    Bermuda, VERY clean looking. If they would drop to this frequency, I'd
    be interested. 370 and tape to tape drives. Gung-ho!

    On 8/15/2021 12:00, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    And for the sake of completeness, here is Ken's blog:

    http://www.righto.com/

    A lot of IBM goodness, among other things. Borderline p0rnographic...

    On 15.8.2021 18:43, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 8/14/21 7:15 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Kern Sherif

    *Ken Shirriff

    Sorry for the typo - nay butchering - Ken, no disrespect intended.



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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Mon Aug 16 18:28:35 2021
    Part 3 is up:

    https://youtu.be/Nyqo-XOuHK4

    On 15.8.2021 3:15, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Curious Mark (YouTube), Kern Sherif, and soon Tube Time are debugging a
    model 77 that died on them.

    There are currently two videos with hints at a third.  I suspect this
    video series will end up being interesting.  They will likely go to
    great lengths to get the model 77 working.

    They may punt and replace it with another MCA system as their stated
    goal is to get the S/370 + Bus & Tag interface working so that they can communicate with some B&T tape drives and printer.


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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Mon Aug 16 17:52:45 2021
    On 8/16/21 10:28 AM, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    Part 3 is up:

    I'm somewhat disappointed by that outcome.

    Though I can't say as I'm surprised.

    I wonder what they will do / use as an MCA system to interface with the
    Bus & Tag equipment.



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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Mon Aug 16 19:27:18 2021
    Well, they tried bread boarding.

    Why don't they findt a spare Bermuda on flea-buy?

    Lacuna would need the correct riser.

    The Bermuda IMHO is more stable compared to the Lacuna. 32MB on the
    system board is pretty good.

    On 8/16/2021 18:52, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 8/16/21 10:28 AM, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    Part 3 is up:

    I'm somewhat disappointed by that outcome.

    Though I can't say as I'm surprised.

    I wonder what they will do / use as an MCA system to interface with the
    Bus & Tag equipment.




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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Mon Aug 16 19:29:18 2021
    Spare Bermuda system board.

    Try not to burn this one.

    On 8/16/2021 19:27, Louis Ohland wrote:
    Well, they tried bread boarding.

    Why don't they findt a spare Bermuda on flea-buy?

    Lacuna would need the correct riser.

    The Bermuda IMHO is more stable compared to the Lacuna. 32MB on the
    system board is pretty good.

    On 8/16/2021 18:52, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 8/16/21 10:28 AM, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    Part 3 is up:

    I'm somewhat disappointed by that outcome.

    Though I can't say as I'm surprised.

    I wonder what they will do / use as an MCA system to interface with
    the Bus & Tag equipment.





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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Mon Aug 16 22:08:39 2021
    On 8/16/21 6:27 PM, Louis Ohland wrote:
    Well, they tried bread boarding.

    Eh ... they bread boarded to read the output from the parallel port.
    Mark usually does many things quite a bit more complex on bread board.

    Why don't they findt a spare Bermuda on flea-buy?

    There was a scene about that. They showed one for > $250 and made a
    comment about not wanting to pay that much.



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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Tue Aug 17 10:35:44 2021
    Bermuda system board. Yup, buying a 9577 would be spendy.


    On 8/16/2021 23:08, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Why don't they findt a spare Bermuda on flea-buy?

    There was a scene about that.  They showed one for > $250 and made a
    comment about not wanting to pay that much.

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  • From schimmi@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Tue Aug 17 10:14:08 2021
    Louis Ohland schrieb am Dienstag, 17. August 2021 um 17:36:11 UTC+2:
    Bermuda system board. Yup, buying a 9577 would be spendy.
    On 8/16/2021 23:08, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Why don't they findt a spare Bermuda on flea-buy?

    There was a scene about that. They showed one for > $250 and made a
    comment about not wanting to pay that much.

    Nice one, IBM Museum :D
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-krxA3LZ0

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to schimmi on Tue Aug 17 20:39:10 2021
    On 17.8.2021 19:14, schimmi wrote:
    Louis Ohland schrieb am Dienstag, 17. August 2021 um 17:36:11 UTC+2:
    Bermuda system board. Yup, buying a 9577 would be spendy.
    On 8/16/2021 23:08, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Why don't they findt a spare Bermuda on flea-buy?

    There was a scene about that. They showed one for > $250 and made a
    comment about not wanting to pay that much.

    Nice one, IBM Museum :D
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-krxA3LZ0


    Yeah, they are covered, thanks to Dave :).

    Hopefully they will have more luck with the replacement board...

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  • From IBMMuseum@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 17 19:31:21 2021
    There was a scene about that. They showed one for > $250
    and made a comment about not wanting to pay that much.

    Nice one, IBM Museum :D
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-krxA3LZ0

    Yeah, they are covered, thanks to Dave :).

    Hopefully they will have more luck with the replacement board...

    And it has a Trinity "PowerStacker" CPU (based on the AMD 5x86-133) - It sure is fast!

    I've gained 120 new subscribers - a third of what I had before - in two days. The planar will arrive on Friday by the USPS, but I think it will be sooner.

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Wed Aug 18 12:45:50 2021
    Looks like Marc isn't giving up just yet. He asked for some more details
    about the planar and the used ASICs/GAs...

    On 17.8.2021 6:08, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 8/16/21 6:27 PM, Louis Ohland wrote:
    Well, they tried bread boarding.

    Eh ... they bread boarded to read the output from the parallel port.
    Mark usually does many things quite a bit more complex on bread board.

    Why don't they findt a spare Bermuda on flea-buy?

    There was a scene about that.  They showed one for > $250 and made a
    comment about not wanting to pay that much.


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  • From IBMMuseum@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Wed Aug 18 06:39:02 2021
    On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 at 4:45:54 AM UTC-6, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    Looks like Marc isn't giving up just yet. He asked for some more details about the planar and the used ASICs/GAs...

    Yeah, he's not going to give up and seems to be genuinely curious - I think he was pleasantly surprised that his "undocumented" comment got proven false. It is going to be a great interaction.

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Wed Aug 18 08:39:20 2021
    Did he ask you?

    If he really wandts to go big... Look at a PS/2 PSU from a 90 or 95 and
    give us schematics or something useful for repairs.

    On 8/18/2021 05:45, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    Looks like Marc isn't giving up just yet. He asked for some more details about the planar and the used ASICs/GAs...

    On 17.8.2021 6:08, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 8/16/21 6:27 PM, Louis Ohland wrote:
    Well, they tried bread boarding.

    Eh ... they bread boarded to read the output from the parallel port.
    Mark usually does many things quite a bit more complex on bread board.

    Why don't they findt a spare Bermuda on flea-buy?

    There was a scene about that.  They showed one for > $250 and made a
    comment about not wanting to pay that much.


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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Wed Aug 18 16:52:39 2021
    On 18.8.2021 15:39, Louis Ohland wrote:
    Did he ask you?

    Yeah after the 2nd episode we have talked about the board failure with
    Eric (TubeTime) for a bit, and Marc himself emailed me again earlier today.

    If he really wandts to go big... Look at a PS/2 PSU from a 90 or 95 and
    give us schematics or something useful for repairs.

    Eh, he already "went big" with projects like the AGC or Xerox Alto... I
    don't think he cares much about some "PC" power supply. PSUs are one of
    the most boring components tbh... (only the failure modes are
    spectacular sometimes)

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to schimmi on Fri Aug 20 22:42:36 2021
    On 8/17/21 11:14 AM, schimmi wrote:
    Nice one, IBM Museum :D
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-krxA3LZ0

    Why did he refer to the convenience partition as "IML"?

    Wouldn't the system fail to boot if it couldn't find the initial
    microcode to load?

    I've run the systems without the convenience partitions or hard drives.
    So ... why IML?



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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Sat Aug 21 09:42:16 2021
    On 21.8.2021 6:42, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 8/17/21 11:14 AM, schimmi wrote:
    Nice one, IBM Museum :D
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3-krxA3LZ0

    Why did he refer to the convenience partition as "IML"?

    Because that's what it really is in case of the Bermuda-based Models
    76/77 - an IML partition.

    Wouldn't the system fail to boot if it couldn't find the initial
    microcode to load?

    Yes, there's no fallback Stage 2 code in the Bermuda ROM, so if it can't
    find a compatible IML image anywhere (floppy, IBM SCSI) it will print an
    error and then halt.
    I've run the systems without the convenience partitions or hard drives.
    So ... why IML?

    If there's no IML partition you have to feed it the reference disk and
    it will load the IML image from there. Once that's done, you can load
    your OS from another floppy (the IML image will stay in RAM until you
    power down the system or force cold boot in some other way).

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  • From IBMMuseum@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 22 21:24:47 2021
    Why did he refer to the convenience partition as "IML"?

    And he is a "big iron" - not necessarily IBM - guy. He's also now aware that I have four System/34s. It's going to be a productive association all around.

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Mon Oct 18 21:14:06 2021
    Part 4 is finally up:

    https://youtu.be/wsLpe4lLhbo

    Interesting fault...

    On 15.8.2021 3:15, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Curious Mark (YouTube), Kern Sherif, and soon Tube Time are debugging a
    model 77 that died on them.

    There are currently two videos with hints at a third.  I suspect this
    video series will end up being interesting.  They will likely go to
    great lengths to get the model 77 working.

    They may punt and replace it with another MCA system as their stated
    goal is to get the S/370 + Bus & Tag interface working so that they can communicate with some B&T tape drives and printer.


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  • From IBMMuseum@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Mon Oct 18 13:40:02 2021
    On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 1:14:08 PM UTC-6, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    Part 4 is finally up:

    https://youtu.be/wsLpe4lLhbo

    Interesting fault...

    Yep - I started to see my subscription count suddenly increase yesterday at this time. At the start of my live-stream on Saturday, I was at 599 subscribers - within 48 hours, it was at 699. What will another 24 hours hold?

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Mon Nov 15 19:42:39 2021
    Part 5 of the M77 series is up:
    https://youtu.be/Y6UprDq8LAQ

    And the planar is finally repaired for good... :)

    On 15.8.2021 3:15, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Curious Mark (YouTube), Kern Sherif, and soon Tube Time are debugging a
    model 77 that died on them.

    There are currently two videos with hints at a third.  I suspect this
    video series will end up being interesting.  They will likely go to
    great lengths to get the model 77 working.

    They may punt and replace it with another MCA system as their stated
    goal is to get the S/370 + Bus & Tag interface working so that they can communicate with some B&T tape drives and printer.




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  • From schimmi@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Mon Nov 15 13:30:21 2021
    03:30

    pure marketing machines. and you wanted to remove 'captialism' :P

    glad, they could save it.

    Tomas Slavotinek schrieb am Montag, 15. November 2021 um 19:42:41 UTC+1:
    Part 5 of the M77 series is up:
    https://youtu.be/Y6UprDq8LAQ

    And the planar is finally repaired for good... :)
    On 15.8.2021 3:15, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Curious Mark (YouTube), Kern Sherif, and soon Tube Time are debugging a model 77 that died on them.

    There are currently two videos with hints at a third. I suspect this
    video series will end up being interesting. They will likely go to
    great lengths to get the model 77 working.

    They may punt and replace it with another MCA system as their stated
    goal is to get the S/370 + Bus & Tag interface working so that they can communicate with some B&T tape drives and printer.




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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to IBMMuseum on Mon Nov 15 15:30:46 2021
    On 11/15/21 3:24 PM, IBMMuseum wrote:
    I spot a microchannel "long" 3270 emulation adapter at 0:15 too -
    It would be nice to map out what they have planned.

    I thought that Mark had said that they were wanting to connect a bus &
    tag tape drive to the system so that they could read old tapes.

    I would not be surprised if they were going to have (some version of)
    MVS run on the P/370 card copy from physical tape to a virtual tape, or
    maybe even virtual card punch, so that they can ultimately use the
    (virtual) copy of what was on the tape elsewhere.

    This feels like a scaffolding project. Something that's being done in
    support of something else.



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  • From IBMMuseum@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 15 14:24:25 2021
    Part 5 of the M77 series is up:
    https://youtu.be/Y6UprDq8LAQ

    And the planar is finally repaired for good... :)

    A via - maybe something to look at with the Bermuda RTC issue...

    They may punt and replace it with another MCA system as their
    stated goal is to get the S/370 + Bus & Tag interface working so
    that they can communicate with some B&T tape drives and printer.

    I spot a microchannel "long" 3270 emulation adapter at 0:15 too - It would be nice to map out what they have planned.

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to schimmi on Mon Nov 15 16:36:15 2021
    I still have that full length card with the big chip.

    On 11/15/2021 15:30, schimmi wrote:
    03:30

    pure marketing machines. and you wanted to remove 'captialism' :P

    glad, they could save it.

    Tomas Slavotinek schrieb am Montag, 15. November 2021 um 19:42:41 UTC+1:
    Part 5 of the M77 series is up:
    https://youtu.be/Y6UprDq8LAQ

    And the planar is finally repaired for good... :)
    On 15.8.2021 3:15, Grant Taylor wrote:
    Curious Mark (YouTube), Kern Sherif, and soon Tube Time are debugging a
    model 77 that died on them.

    There are currently two videos with hints at a third. I suspect this
    video series will end up being interesting. They will likely go to
    great lengths to get the model 77 working.

    They may punt and replace it with another MCA system as their stated
    goal is to get the S/370 + Bus & Tag interface working so that they can
    communicate with some B&T tape drives and printer.




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  • From IBMMuseum@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 15 15:09:43 2021
    I still have that full length card with the big chip.

    I've got a few myself, getting pictures to Major Tom soon...

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