Floppy bezel and floppy drive most likely incorrect, 56/70 vibes?
Single 5.25 bay no bezel, but those fit in a small USPS package.
Frame bezel on front looks tight, it's not pushed out like it would be
if it was damaged.
Internal cables?
Can we get some more Danish tool p0rn to look at? Feelthy-feely invasive pictures that leave nothing to the imagination?
Outside looks clean. Czech the battery holder for corrosion.
What is good: SCSI2SD what version? That is worth 50 or so by itself.
Where you will need to come up with parts:
2.88MB 3.5 inch floppy (non-star) these have the dust shield
3.5" floppy bezel
Interior cables? SCSI, drive power?
HD sleds?
IBM spent a lot of time on airflow, for adapters, drives, and memory.
Missing bezels allow ingress of air in wegs IBM did not intend. Won't
ruin the 95, but it will be a consideration if/when you add upgrade CPUs
to a complex, or stuff all the slots, or find a Type 5 (RS/6000) card
that you wandt to try.
I'd suggest getting a slight adjustment to the price. It doesn't look to
be a clapped out, abused system, there are good parts in it, but the
floppy thing needs to be fixed later, and that will cost 10-15 US, no
idea of the floppy installed, add another 15 or so, I'm just looking at shipping. By the time you add the usual (and correct) equipment, I'd
guess 325.
The OP might have stuff in a pile (it happens). Root around for the
shiny...
I got slot fillers, drive power cables, a few floppy cables, bezels, but shipping over the pond will be (guessing) 20 or so US, maybe more.
Really helps when the US Mail pays to ship cheap Red Chinese crap to the
US, but loots US citizens trying to mail stuff to friendly nations...
Carsten Lyng wrote:
torsdag den 27. april 2023 kl. 04.55.36 UTC+2 skrev Louis Ohland:
What flavor of OS will you be looking at installing on this 95?
Hi Louis and Pertti,
Thanks for all the info on the machine, I can see that there are some
things I have to checkout
before "maybe" making a purchase :-)
I will get some more details about he machine from the seller
I have only got this picrure off the machine... you can see it here.:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dBXmlRLZ_GIJYHU9oYTAwM-BDjwcsVcz?usp=sharing
The seller writes.: It is very heavy, and is not going to be shipped -
you have to make a local picup :-)
The machine was working, when it was put in storage some years ago -
it can be tested upon purchase.
but you have to carry it up to my flat first :-))
Looking at the lonely, single picture, it appears the CD Rom is laying
on the drive support structure. All it needs is AT Drive rails (?)
https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Common.html#5-25_Dimensions
Although it may be missing a pair of "Rail Guides" that snap into the
DASD Support Structure.
We need to share in your repressed phantasies, I am curious, Blue...
Louis Ohland wrote:
Floppy bezel and floppy drive most likely incorrect, 56/70 vibes?
Single 5.25 bay no bezel, but those fit in a small USPS package.
Frame bezel on front looks tight, it's not pushed out like it would be
if it was damaged.
Internal cables?
Can we get some more Danish tool p0rn to look at? Feelthy-feely
invasive pictures that leave nothing to the imagination?
Outside looks clean. Czech the battery holder for corrosion.
What is good: SCSI2SD what version? That is worth 50 or so by itself.
Where you will need to come up with parts:
2.88MB 3.5 inch floppy (non-star) these have the dust shield
3.5" floppy bezel
Interior cables? SCSI, drive power?
HD sleds?
IBM spent a lot of time on airflow, for adapters, drives, and memory.
Missing bezels allow ingress of air in wegs IBM did not intend. Won't
ruin the 95, but it will be a consideration if/when you add upgrade
CPUs to a complex, or stuff all the slots, or find a Type 5 (RS/6000)
card that you wandt to try.
I'd suggest getting a slight adjustment to the price. It doesn't look
to be a clapped out, abused system, there are good parts in it, but
the floppy thing needs to be fixed later, and that will cost 10-15 US,
no idea of the floppy installed, add another 15 or so, I'm just
looking at shipping. By the time you add the usual (and correct)
equipment, I'd guess 325.
The OP might have stuff in a pile (it happens). Root around for the
shiny...
I got slot fillers, drive power cables, a few floppy cables, bezels,
but shipping over the pond will be (guessing) 20 or so US, maybe more.
Really helps when the US Mail pays to ship cheap Red Chinese crap to
the US, but loots US citizens trying to mail stuff to friendly nations...
Carsten Lyng wrote:
torsdag den 27. april 2023 kl. 04.55.36 UTC+2 skrev Louis Ohland:
What flavor of OS will you be looking at installing on this 95?
Hi Louis and Pertti,
Thanks for all the info on the machine, I can see that there are some
things I have to checkout
before "maybe" making a purchase :-)
I will get some more details about he machine from the seller
I have only got this picrure off the machine... you can see it here.:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dBXmlRLZ_GIJYHU9oYTAwM-BDjwcsVcz?usp=sharing
The seller writes.: It is very heavy, and is not going to be shipped
- you have to make a local picup :-)
The machine was working, when it was put in storage some years ago -
it can be tested upon purchase.
but you have to carry it up to my flat first :-))
https://thumbs.worthpoint.com/zoom/images1/1/0621/20/ibm-ps-hdd-rail-guides-8595-9595-9585_1_f95a0eba8221e0a9a70f00c1f0a43ef4.jpg
FRU 60G9827, though there may be other FRU or P/N.
Each device needs TWO Rail Guides. Or it will resemble the sound of one
hand clapping.
CD Rom bezels are nice to have, but the 5.25" CD fits pretty close to
the front bezel, not glaringly apparent like that floppy bezel... ;)
Louis Ohland wrote:
Looking at the lonely, single picture, it appears the CD Rom is laying
on the drive support structure. All it needs is AT Drive rails (?)
https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Common.html#5-25_Dimensions
Although it may be missing a pair of "Rail Guides" that snap into the
DASD Support Structure.
We need to share in your repressed phantasies, I am curious, Blue...
Louis Ohland wrote:
Floppy bezel and floppy drive most likely incorrect, 56/70 vibes?
Single 5.25 bay no bezel, but those fit in a small USPS package.
Frame bezel on front looks tight, it's not pushed out like it would be
if it was damaged.
Internal cables?
Can we get some more Danish tool p0rn to look at? Feelthy-feely
invasive pictures that leave nothing to the imagination?
Outside looks clean. Czech the battery holder for corrosion.
What is good: SCSI2SD what version? That is worth 50 or so by itself.
Where you will need to come up with parts:
2.88MB 3.5 inch floppy (non-star) these have the dust shield
3.5" floppy bezel
Interior cables? SCSI, drive power?
HD sleds?
IBM spent a lot of time on airflow, for adapters, drives, and memory.
Missing bezels allow ingress of air in wegs IBM did not intend. Won't
ruin the 95, but it will be a consideration if/when you add upgrade
CPUs to a complex, or stuff all the slots, or find a Type 5 (RS/6000)
card that you wandt to try.
I'd suggest getting a slight adjustment to the price. It doesn't look
to be a clapped out, abused system, there are good parts in it, but
the floppy thing needs to be fixed later, and that will cost 10-15 US,
no idea of the floppy installed, add another 15 or so, I'm just
looking at shipping. By the time you add the usual (and correct)
equipment, I'd guess 325.
The OP might have stuff in a pile (it happens). Root around for the
shiny...
I got slot fillers, drive power cables, a few floppy cables, bezels,
but shipping over the pond will be (guessing) 20 or so US, maybe more.
Really helps when the US Mail pays to ship cheap Red Chinese crap to
the US, but loots US citizens trying to mail stuff to friendly nations... >>
Carsten Lyng wrote:
torsdag den 27. april 2023 kl. 04.55.36 UTC+2 skrev Louis Ohland:
What flavor of OS will you be looking at installing on this 95?
Hi Louis and Pertti,
Thanks for all the info on the machine, I can see that there are some
things I have to checkout
before "maybe" making a purchase :-)
I will get some more details about he machine from the seller
I have only got this picrure off the machine... you can see it here.:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dBXmlRLZ_GIJYHU9oYTAwM-BDjwcsVcz?usp=sharing
The seller writes.: It is very heavy, and is not going to be shipped
- you have to make a local picup :-)
The machine was working, when it was put in storage some years ago -
it can be tested upon purchase.
but you have to carry it up to my flat first :-))
I will ask seller for more Danish pics :-))
IMHO, a 95 is hard to kill.
The 95 in question is a single serial, single parallel planar version
with probably a 329w PSU. For the uninformed, a 95A is the must-have
system. -BUT- a DSDP system CANNOT use ANY T0/T1/T2/T3 complexi. So if
you are ever curious about swapping, the 95A will only take T4 complexi...
It needs to be powered up to czech on PSU functionality.
PSUs have a transformer made with a sintered core that is not
indestructible. They can be cracked with a sharp enough impact [but
you'd see the case damage] -OR- a strong impulse [say, a lightning
strike or bad day for power company]. Not common. Picking it up isn't a
bad thing if you can do it...
Speaking of picking it up, it has a goodly heft empty, even without
drives. @ 50 imperial pounds, empty.
While looking lustfully at the battery holder, look for green spooge.
The majority of the time, it can be neutralized with baking soda and
water. Use an old toothbrush or even Q-Tips to apply the mix. Wash off
with water. Do NOT use soap in the shower on the planar.
Go to this clandestine meeting with two floppies in your hand. Refdisk
and Diags for the Type 2. It would be neat-o if the op sendt pictures of
the complex, if anyone did some hot complex swapping action, it could be something else.
Personally, I would take all adapters and the complex out, blow out the
slots with compressed air [computer duster]. Pull all the memory as
well. Hose it down, er, take a pass at the SIMM sockets as well.
Thoughtfully re-install the SIMMs, other than the end clips snapping
into place in the holes on the SIMM, you don't need a lot of moxie. If
the SIMM is hesitant, confirm the orientation, ensure you use a slight
angle to insert the SIMM contacts into the socket, and try again.
Here's where you can get buffed! Take a banknote or high end paper, fold
it for rigidity, and use it to buff the gold contacts on the complex. DO
NOT USE ANYTHING ABRASIVE! Once done, the contacts will be shiny, might
still be able to see some drag marks from the slot spring fingers, but
those are OK.
WBST [PBUH] opined that inserting / removing adapters / complex a few
times would cause the spring contacts in the slot to break through any corrosion [within reason!]. But... the banknote routine works on all
gold contacts [adapters, complexi, SIMMs].
Re-install the complex. This is where speed can kill.
https://www.ardent-tool.com/complex/Install.html
I have wandted to take compromising, explicit pictures of this. Read,
THINK, and do. Note that a 95 is a tower [of Power!] and the double-wide
MCA complex slot is at a right angle to the ground. If you choose to
stick the complex in while the system is standing, the complex will
wandt to hang down while you try to hold it at the ends.
Pro tip: put the 95 on it's side, and THEN install the complex. In
reality, a single PCB "H" is fairly svelte, so they are somewhat
indifferent to installation orientation. Type 1 and Type 3 [especially!]
with upgrade CPUs and L2 cache [Type 1 can have the daughtercard] will
have some angle to the dangle.
Pro tip: do NOT force the blue T-knob on the PSU past finger tight! https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#E-Clip
Pro tip: Return 95 to vertical when swinging the PSU back in. Maybe we
can get some Danish swinger action as well.
Install the XGA-2 [Slot 5] and SCSI w/cache [Slot 1]. Leave the 3com
3C529 out at this time. The two dual asyncs can be used as slot fillers,
but I have NEVER used one.
Stick your floppy in. Boot. Should have life, XGA-2 should POST pretty
quick [XGA on 90 planar is in system BIOS, slow!], you should see
complaining on IML [I999nnnn], probably 162, configuration has changed,
You can run autoconfig -OR- you can be in charge of things and run it manually. No difference at this point.
Once the system has been configured to your proclivities, exit system programs and power down. Wait @ 30 seconds. Reboot w/ Refdisk. At system programs main screen, do a Ctrl-A. Stuff in diags disk when ordered. https://www.ardent-tool.com/config/quick_system.html#Adv_Diags
Test whatever you wandt, however hard.
There has been no mention of an installed HD, therefore I didn't include
it. BUT if OP has one, it needs to be ID6, Term enabled, SCSI parity
enabled, auto spin up enabled. You can hook up the HD when you
re-install the SCSI w/cache.
Just for snorts 'n giggles:
IBM Hard Drives
https://www.ardent-tool.com/IBM_HD/IBM_Hard_Drives.html
SCSI Layout
https://www.ardent-tool.com/IBM_SCSI/scsi_layout.html
This painful process involves only IBM supported components -BECAUSE-
only IBM components have *.DGS files for diagnostics. Memory is memory,
IBM or third party memory is supported, testing-wise. SCSI is SCSI, so whatever HD will respond to the cruel commands of Advanced Diags...
The 3C529 has 3com stand-alone diagnostics. I haven't come across a
3c529 that was broke, ever.
Carsten, you will learn to love the lash of obeying your IBM system, and
in time, you will need the iron discipline it DEMANDS...
Really, it is pretty straight-forward. If you wandt, just power it up,
look for life, then [using good lifting techniques] lug it out to your bicycle... Danes don't have cars, everybody knows that...
BUT... for 375 or whatever is mutually acceptable, you might wandt to
get intrusive [but not abusive].
Carsten Lyng wrote:
I will ask seller for more Danish pics :-))
The thumbscrews that hold the slot fillers in are captive, they won't
come out unless you really work at unscrewing them.
BUT... if one just unscrews them enough to pull an adapter, then tries
to SIMMply stick the adapter back in hurriedly, you could stick the "U"
of the slot filler over the ribbed portion of the thumbscrew, which in
this case is anodized aluminum. Relatively softer than the spring steel
used by slot coves.
So, if the "U" is bearing on the ribbed part of the thumbscrew, and you blithely screw it in to fasten it down, you might get an avant-garde
spiral cut into the softer anodized aluminum. Looks unprofessional...
So, unscrew the thumbscrew out about 3/16ths of an inch.
Slot fillers are blood spilling devices. Or can be, lots of pressure,
trying to slide a thin steel item into the aluminum adapter guide formed
in the rear wall of the case.
Notice the "T" shape at the top of the slot filler. This "T" slides into
a "cradle" at the top of the aluminum guide. But that isn't the only gotcha... The slot fillers on either side ALSO fit into that "cradle",
and you might have those "ears" interfering with running the slot cover
home.
My weg of sliding a slot filler home is to use one or two fingers on the inside _AS WELL AS_ the outside to keep the slot filler relatively
aligned to the exposed threads of the thumbscrew.
If the slot filler "ears" will not seat below the top of the cradle,
STOP and czech that the "U" is over the threads [not the anodized
aluminum!] and that one or both "ears" are not stacked up on other
"ears" or the "ears" are not inside the "cradle".
If the slot filler is incorrectly aligned, and you are applying more
force, your fingers might slip and get cut by the very thin steel. It sux.
Closing the side wall is another possumble opportunity to give a blood offering to Chester Heath [PBUH]. If you are holding onto the top of the case, insure your fingers are OUTSIDE of the case when you swing the
side wall closed. It may not be sharp, but when the side wall is pivoted
shut on the rearward edge, you now have mechanical advantage, much more
when your fingers are close to the rear of the case. So which will fail first? Heavy gauge steel or your fingers? Pretty much any cleaner will
remove fresh blood...
Lastly, if you use the stiff and heavy IBM SCSI cables on the external
port, you can "cock" the SCSI adapter in the slot, depends on the force
from the cable [placing a SCSI scanner on top puts a curve in the
cable], how well the adapter was seated, and how well fastened down the thumbscrew is.
No need to uber-torque the thumbscrew, the kink in the stiff cable is
the most significant part of the leveraging force. Be thoughtful of the stresses of the cable alignment.
Anyways, it didn't smoke the Corvette, but it DID cause some hard SCSI
errors and bizarre symptoms.
Louis Ohland wrote:
IMHO, a 95 is hard to kill.
The 95 in question is a single serial, single parallel planar version
with probably a 329w PSU. For the uninformed, a 95A is the must-have system. -BUT- a DSDP system CANNOT use ANY T0/T1/T2/T3 complexi. So if
you are ever curious about swapping, the 95A will only take T4 complexi...
It needs to be powered up to czech on PSU functionality.
PSUs have a transformer made with a sintered core that is not indestructible. They can be cracked with a sharp enough impact [but
you'd see the case damage] -OR- a strong impulse [say, a lightning
strike or bad day for power company]. Not common. Picking it up isn't a
bad thing if you can do it...
Speaking of picking it up, it has a goodly heft empty, even without
drives. @ 50 imperial pounds, empty.
While looking lustfully at the battery holder, look for green spooge.
The majority of the time, it can be neutralized with baking soda and
water. Use an old toothbrush or even Q-Tips to apply the mix. Wash off
with water. Do NOT use soap in the shower on the planar.
Go to this clandestine meeting with two floppies in your hand. Refdisk
and Diags for the Type 2. It would be neat-o if the op sendt pictures of the complex, if anyone did some hot complex swapping action, it could be something else.
Personally, I would take all adapters and the complex out, blow out the slots with compressed air [computer duster]. Pull all the memory as
well. Hose it down, er, take a pass at the SIMM sockets as well.
Thoughtfully re-install the SIMMs, other than the end clips snapping
into place in the holes on the SIMM, you don't need a lot of moxie. If
the SIMM is hesitant, confirm the orientation, ensure you use a slight angle to insert the SIMM contacts into the socket, and try again.
Here's where you can get buffed! Take a banknote or high end paper, fold
it for rigidity, and use it to buff the gold contacts on the complex. DO NOT USE ANYTHING ABRASIVE! Once done, the contacts will be shiny, might still be able to see some drag marks from the slot spring fingers, but those are OK.
WBST [PBUH] opined that inserting / removing adapters / complex a few
times would cause the spring contacts in the slot to break through any corrosion [within reason!]. But... the banknote routine works on all
gold contacts [adapters, complexi, SIMMs].
Re-install the complex. This is where speed can kill.
https://www.ardent-tool.com/complex/Install.html
I have wandted to take compromising, explicit pictures of this. Read, THINK, and do. Note that a 95 is a tower [of Power!] and the double-wide MCA complex slot is at a right angle to the ground. If you choose to
stick the complex in while the system is standing, the complex will
wandt to hang down while you try to hold it at the ends.
Pro tip: put the 95 on it's side, and THEN install the complex. In
reality, a single PCB "H" is fairly svelte, so they are somewhat indifferent to installation orientation. Type 1 and Type 3 [especially!] with upgrade CPUs and L2 cache [Type 1 can have the daughtercard] will
have some angle to the dangle.
Pro tip: do NOT force the blue T-knob on the PSU past finger tight! https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#E-Clip
Pro tip: Return 95 to vertical when swinging the PSU back in. Maybe we
can get some Danish swinger action as well.
Install the XGA-2 [Slot 5] and SCSI w/cache [Slot 1]. Leave the 3com
3C529 out at this time. The two dual asyncs can be used as slot fillers, but I have NEVER used one.
Stick your floppy in. Boot. Should have life, XGA-2 should POST pretty quick [XGA on 90 planar is in system BIOS, slow!], you should see complaining on IML [I999nnnn], probably 162, configuration has changed,
You can run autoconfig -OR- you can be in charge of things and run it manually. No difference at this point.
Once the system has been configured to your proclivities, exit system programs and power down. Wait @ 30 seconds. Reboot w/ Refdisk. At system programs main screen, do a Ctrl-A. Stuff in diags disk when ordered. https://www.ardent-tool.com/config/quick_system.html#Adv_Diags
Test whatever you wandt, however hard.
There has been no mention of an installed HD, therefore I didn't include it. BUT if OP has one, it needs to be ID6, Term enabled, SCSI parity enabled, auto spin up enabled. You can hook up the HD when you
re-install the SCSI w/cache.
Just for snorts 'n giggles:
IBM Hard Drives
https://www.ardent-tool.com/IBM_HD/IBM_Hard_Drives.html
SCSI Layout
https://www.ardent-tool.com/IBM_SCSI/scsi_layout.html
This painful process involves only IBM supported components -BECAUSE-
only IBM components have *.DGS files for diagnostics. Memory is memory,
IBM or third party memory is supported, testing-wise. SCSI is SCSI, so whatever HD will respond to the cruel commands of Advanced Diags...
The 3C529 has 3com stand-alone diagnostics. I haven't come across a
3c529 that was broke, ever.
Carsten, you will learn to love the lash of obeying your IBM system, and
in time, you will need the iron discipline it DEMANDS...
Really, it is pretty straight-forward. If you wandt, just power it up,
look for life, then [using good lifting techniques] lug it out to your bicycle... Danes don't have cars, everybody knows that...
BUT... for 375 or whatever is mutually acceptable, you might wandt to
get intrusive [but not abusive].
Carsten Lyng wrote:
I will ask seller for more Danish pics :-))
The thumbscrews that hold the slot fillers in are captive, they won't
come out unless you really work at unscrewing them.
BUT... if one just unscrews them enough to pull an adapter, then tries
to SIMMply stick the adapter back in hurriedly, you could stick the "U"
of the slot filler over the ribbed portion of the thumbscrew, which in
this case is anodized aluminum. Relatively softer than the spring steel
used by slot coves.
So, if the "U" is bearing on the ribbed part of the thumbscrew, and you blithely screw it in to fasten it down, you might get an avant-garde
spiral cut into the softer anodized aluminum. Looks unprofessional...
So, unscrew the thumbscrew out about 3/16ths of an inch.
Slot fillers are blood spilling devices. Or can be, lots of pressure,
trying to slide a thin steel item into the aluminum adapter guide formed
in the rear wall of the case.
Notice the "T" shape at the top of the slot filler. This "T" slides into
a "cradle" at the top of the aluminum guide. But that isn't the only gotcha... The slot fillers on either side ALSO fit into that "cradle",
and you might have those "ears" interfering with running the slot cover
home.
My weg of sliding a slot filler home is to use one or two fingers on the inside _AS WELL AS_ the outside to keep the slot filler relatively
aligned to the exposed threads of the thumbscrew.
If the slot filler "ears" will not seat below the top of the cradle,
STOP and czech that the "U" is over the threads [not the anodized
aluminum!] and that one or both "ears" are not stacked up on other
"ears" or the "ears" are not inside the "cradle".
If the slot filler is incorrectly aligned, and you are applying more
force, your fingers might slip and get cut by the very thin steel. It sux.
Closing the side wall is another possumble opportunity to give a blood offering to Chester Heath [PBUH]. If you are holding onto the top of the case, insure your fingers are OUTSIDE of the case when you swing the
side wall closed. It may not be sharp, but when the side wall is pivoted
shut on the rearward edge, you now have mechanical advantage, much more
when your fingers are close to the rear of the case. So which will fail first? Heavy gauge steel or your fingers? Pretty much any cleaner will
remove fresh blood...
Lastly, if you use the stiff and heavy IBM SCSI cables on the external
port, you can "cock" the SCSI adapter in the slot, depends on the force
from the cable [placing a SCSI scanner on top puts a curve in the
cable], how well the adapter was seated, and how well fastened down the thumbscrew is.
No need to uber-torque the thumbscrew, the kink in the stiff cable is
the most significant part of the leveraging force. Be thoughtful of the stresses of the cable alignment.
Anyways, it didn't smoke the Corvette, but it DID cause some hard SCSI
errors and bizarre symptoms.
Louis Ohland wrote:
IMHO, a 95 is hard to kill.
The 95 in question is a single serial, single parallel planar version
with probably a 329w PSU. For the uninformed, a 95A is the must-have system. -BUT- a DSDP system CANNOT use ANY T0/T1/T2/T3 complexi. So if
you are ever curious about swapping, the 95A will only take T4 complexi...
It needs to be powered up to czech on PSU functionality.
PSUs have a transformer made with a sintered core that is not indestructible. They can be cracked with a sharp enough impact [but
you'd see the case damage] -OR- a strong impulse [say, a lightning
strike or bad day for power company]. Not common. Picking it up isn't a
bad thing if you can do it...
Speaking of picking it up, it has a goodly heft empty, even without
drives. @ 50 imperial pounds, empty.
While looking lustfully at the battery holder, look for green spooge.
The majority of the time, it can be neutralized with baking soda and
water. Use an old toothbrush or even Q-Tips to apply the mix. Wash off
with water. Do NOT use soap in the shower on the planar.
Go to this clandestine meeting with two floppies in your hand. Refdisk
and Diags for the Type 2. It would be neat-o if the op sendt pictures of the complex, if anyone did some hot complex swapping action, it could be something else.
Personally, I would take all adapters and the complex out, blow out the slots with compressed air [computer duster]. Pull all the memory as
well. Hose it down, er, take a pass at the SIMM sockets as well.
Thoughtfully re-install the SIMMs, other than the end clips snapping
into place in the holes on the SIMM, you don't need a lot of moxie. If
the SIMM is hesitant, confirm the orientation, ensure you use a slight angle to insert the SIMM contacts into the socket, and try again.
Here's where you can get buffed! Take a banknote or high end paper, fold
it for rigidity, and use it to buff the gold contacts on the complex. DO NOT USE ANYTHING ABRASIVE! Once done, the contacts will be shiny, might still be able to see some drag marks from the slot spring fingers, but those are OK.
WBST [PBUH] opined that inserting / removing adapters / complex a few
times would cause the spring contacts in the slot to break through any corrosion [within reason!]. But... the banknote routine works on all
gold contacts [adapters, complexi, SIMMs].
Re-install the complex. This is where speed can kill.
https://www.ardent-tool.com/complex/Install.html
I have wandted to take compromising, explicit pictures of this. Read, THINK, and do. Note that a 95 is a tower [of Power!] and the double-wide MCA complex slot is at a right angle to the ground. If you choose to
stick the complex in while the system is standing, the complex will
wandt to hang down while you try to hold it at the ends.
Pro tip: put the 95 on it's side, and THEN install the complex. In
reality, a single PCB "H" is fairly svelte, so they are somewhat indifferent to installation orientation. Type 1 and Type 3 [especially!] with upgrade CPUs and L2 cache [Type 1 can have the daughtercard] will
have some angle to the dangle.
Pro tip: do NOT force the blue T-knob on the PSU past finger tight! https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html https://www.ardent-tool.com/85_95/Power.html#E-Clip
Pro tip: Return 95 to vertical when swinging the PSU back in. Maybe we
can get some Danish swinger action as well.
Install the XGA-2 [Slot 5] and SCSI w/cache [Slot 1]. Leave the 3com
3C529 out at this time. The two dual asyncs can be used as slot fillers, but I have NEVER used one.
Stick your floppy in. Boot. Should have life, XGA-2 should POST pretty quick [XGA on 90 planar is in system BIOS, slow!], you should see complaining on IML [I999nnnn], probably 162, configuration has changed,
You can run autoconfig -OR- you can be in charge of things and run it manually. No difference at this point.
Once the system has been configured to your proclivities, exit system programs and power down. Wait @ 30 seconds. Reboot w/ Refdisk. At system programs main screen, do a Ctrl-A. Stuff in diags disk when ordered. https://www.ardent-tool.com/config/quick_system.html#Adv_Diags
Test whatever you wandt, however hard.
There has been no mention of an installed HD, therefore I didn't include it. BUT if OP has one, it needs to be ID6, Term enabled, SCSI parity enabled, auto spin up enabled. You can hook up the HD when you
re-install the SCSI w/cache.
Just for snorts 'n giggles:
IBM Hard Drives
https://www.ardent-tool.com/IBM_HD/IBM_Hard_Drives.html
SCSI Layout
https://www.ardent-tool.com/IBM_SCSI/scsi_layout.html
This painful process involves only IBM supported components -BECAUSE-
only IBM components have *.DGS files for diagnostics. Memory is memory,
IBM or third party memory is supported, testing-wise. SCSI is SCSI, so whatever HD will respond to the cruel commands of Advanced Diags...
The 3C529 has 3com stand-alone diagnostics. I haven't come across a
3c529 that was broke, ever.
Carsten, you will learn to love the lash of obeying your IBM system, and
in time, you will need the iron discipline it DEMANDS...
Really, it is pretty straight-forward. If you wandt, just power it up,
look for life, then [using good lifting techniques] lug it out to your bicycle... Danes don't have cars, everybody knows that...
BUT... for 375 or whatever is mutually acceptable, you might wandt to
get intrusive [but not abusive].
Carsten Lyng wrote:
I will ask seller for more Danish pics :-))
Definately an "H". Uses Complex BIOS 07G0463, usually associated with 92F1428 DMA Ctrl
There is a difference between being able to "see" 2,048MB, and being
able to IML off a SCSI drive bigger than 1,023MB [>1GB].
The OP did not take a pic of the SCSI w/cache, but I do see a yellow termpack, which suggests a three oscillator SPOCK. The transorb and
termpack and cache are ONLY seen on the latest SPOCK. So the SCSI
adapter has the 44/45 SCSI BIOS, and CAN use up to 3.94GB drives as IML sources.
https://www.ardent-tool.com/complex/T2.html#IML_Over_1GB
Type 2 complexes require the combination of BIOS 41G9361 and SCSI BIOS 92F2244/45 in order to handle IML drives >1GB (new limit is 3.94GB). The upgrade BIOS incorporates the "Enhanced IML" which supports IML from a
drive >1GB and "Search IML" which allows IML from a drive other than
ID6. The SCSI BIOS 44/45 pair supports drives well over 8GB. (Ed. Your
OS may have other ideas...)
Does the CD have rails screwed on to it?
There is a HD sled in the bottom bay.
Inside looks OK. Battery looks tight.
Just as a drive to be OCD, I'd match the pairs as to the sticker arrangement, but they look OK.
Since Danes don´t have cars, I have juiced up my tricycle:
jumpers for auto start on WDS-3160
https://www.ardent-tool.com/IBM_HD/WDS-380.pdf
Physical page 3
Jumper Settings Type B
Jumper Pins 9 & 10 [-Motor Start]
Carsten Lyng wrote:
jumpers for auto start on WDS-3160
https://web.archive.org/web/19970629054714/http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/geninsts.pdf
When the Auto Start feature is enabled, the hard disk drive motor starts
as soon as the computer is turned on. Locate the Auto Start jumper by referring to the documentation that came with your drive. If the Auto
Start jumper is not in place, the hard disk is started by a command from
the SCSI controller. For drives installed in IBM computers or storage enclosures ensure that this jumper is off. The hard disk drive is
started in a staggered sequence. This reduces the start-up load on the
power supply. For non-IBM computer, refer to the documentation that came with your computer for further information.
WBST could have done a boffo job in his pedantic style. Casino Bakhmut...
You got me instead.
"If the Auto Start jumper is not in place, the hard disk is started by a command from the SCSI controller." "The hard disk drive is started in a staggered sequence. This reduces the start-up load on the power supply."
Auto Spin removes one possumble raisin for the 95 to not boot.
Chances are you will need to install a system partition, unless the HD
you are bringing already has a Type 2 System Partition on it.
However, this will not turbo-dork you, from the main screen of System Programs, after configuring and saving the configuration [into CMOS],
choose "Start Operating System"
https://www.ardent-tool.com/config/quick_system.html#Start_OS
Yes, you will have to keep booting off the refdisk for now, but it
should do gute enuf for czeching functionality.
You might have a mis-mash of SCSI BIOS and Complex BIOS, one is Enhanced
IML capable, the other not. Laying a system partition now would be
love's labor lost...
I suggest you burn 41G9361 27C010-155, -90 to -200 should work. Doesn't
have to be AMD, Intel, SGS, TI, whatever.
https://www.ardent-tool.com/datasheets/AMD_Am27C010.pdf https://www.ardent-tool.com/firmware/system/complex/Type2/41G9361.zip
You can install it there if you wandt. It does not change any POS values
or re-order the CMOS, uses the same refdisk...
Once the system boots, let it run autoconfig, and it will do a decent
job with IBM adapters. You can set up the ports later, the KB and mouse
will be enabled for you.
You might wandt to massage the configuration at home so you can refer to
the poor writing on the Tool while you set it up like you wandt it.
Quick 'n Dirty System Programs https://www.ardent-tool.com/config/quick_system.html
System Programs
https://www.ardent-tool.com/config/systemprograms.html
lørdag den 29. april 2023 kl. 13.55.54 UTC+2 skrev Louis Ohland:
https://web.archive.org/web/19970629054714/http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/geninsts.pdf
When the Auto Start feature is enabled, the hard disk drive motor starts as soon as the computer is turned on. Locate the Auto Start jumper by referring to the documentation that came with your drive. If the Auto Start jumper is not in place, the hard disk is started by a command from the SCSI controller. For drives installed in IBM computers or storage enclosures ensure that this jumper is off. The hard disk drive is
started in a staggered sequence. This reduces the start-up load on the power supply. For non-IBM computer, refer to the documentation that came with your computer for further information.
WBST could have done a boffo job in his pedantic style. Casino Bakhmut...
You got me instead.
"If the Auto Start jumper is not in place, the hard disk is started by a command from the SCSI controller." "The hard disk drive is started in a staggered sequence. This reduces the start-up load on the power supply."
Auto Spin removes one possumble raisin for the 95 to not boot.
Chances are you will need to install a system partition, unless the HD
you are bringing already has a Type 2 System Partition on it.
However, this will not turbo-dork you, from the main screen of System Programs, after configuring and saving the configuration [into CMOS], choose "Start Operating System"
https://www.ardent-tool.com/config/quick_system.html#Start_OS
Yes, you will have to keep booting off the refdisk for now, but it
should do gute enuf for czeching functionality.
You might have a mis-mash of SCSI BIOS and Complex BIOS, one is Enhanced IML capable, the other not. Laying a system partition now would be
love's labor lost...
I suggest you burn 41G9361 27C010-155, -90 to -200 should work. Doesn't have to be AMD, Intel, SGS, TI, whatever.
https://www.ardent-tool.com/datasheets/AMD_Am27C010.pdf https://www.ardent-tool.com/firmware/system/complex/Type2/41G9361.zip
You can install it there if you wandt. It does not change any POS values or re-order the CMOS, uses the same refdisk...
Once the system boots, let it run autoconfig, and it will do a decent
job with IBM adapters. You can set up the ports later, the KB and mouse will be enabled for you.
You might wandt to massage the configuration at home so you can refer to the poor writing on the Tool while you set it up like you wandt it.
Quick 'n Dirty System Programs https://www.ardent-tool.com/config/quick_system.html
System ProgramsFinally got he machine home after testing it with the seller, there are no errors on the machine :-)
https://www.ardent-tool.com/config/systemprograms.html
What a long trip on my tricycle, and I also forgot my helmet - thanks for the reminder :-))
There are something rotten in the state of Denmark...the drive retainer under the front bezel is missing,
I could see that straight away - and the bezel for the floppy drive is for a model 76/77, it has got this
fru number.: 92F1598. - Don´t know if it is possible to find the retainer or floppy bezel.
Also missing a couple of other bezels - Is it possible to find out the partnumbers for them ?.
I have looked at http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/eprm/h185.htm but i am not sure which ones are
the right ones for the front bezel..??.
The cdrom drive has no rails, it just loosely placed on the drive tray
The Scsi2SD has also been tested, and it works fine with the SCSI controller, there were no problems
booting the machine with that one. the Scsi2SD is now configurated as 2 scsi drives ( ID6 and ID5 )
In the SCSI menu on the machine it shows up like 2 physical drives, with 2GB each.
Dos has been installed on C-drive.
The seller was very honest about the missing things, and we agreed on a lower price.
I got a model 50z and an extra planar for that one, and also a 3Com Network card Rj45
for $ 330,- he was happy to know they will get a good home.
I have placed some new Danish picsXXX in the Google drive
Going to clean the machine outside and inside tomorrow
Finally got he machine home after testing it with the seller, there are no errors on the machine :-)
What a long trip on my tricycle, and I also forgot my helmet - thanks for the reminder :-))
There are something rotten in the state of Denmark...the drive retainer under the front bezel is missing,
I could see that straight away - and the bezel for the floppy drive is for a model 76/77, it has got this
fru number.: 92F1598. - Don´t know if it is possible to find the retainer or floppy bezel.
Also missing a couple of other bezels - Is it possible to find out the partnumbers for them ?.
I have looked at http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/eprm/h185.htm but i am not sure which ones are
the right ones for the front bezel..??.
The cdrom drive has no rails, it just loosely placed on the drive tray
The Scsi2SD has also been tested, and it works fine with the SCSI controller, there were no problems
booting the machine with that one. the Scsi2SD is now configurated as 2 scsi drives ( ID6 and ID5 )
In the SCSI menu on the machine it shows up like 2 physical drives, with 2GB each.
Dos has been installed on C-drive.
The seller was very honest about the missing things, and we agreed on a lower price.
I got a model 50z and an extra planar for that one, and also a 3Com Network card Rj45
for $ 330,- he was happy to know they will get a good home.
I have placed some new Danish picsXXX in the Google drive
Going to clean the machine outside and inside tomorrow
lørdag den 29. april 2023 kl. 21.54.16 UTC+2 skrev Louis Ohland:
You must have aching legs, pedaling that home...
Link to Gooble Park?
I'm curious, blue, this should be interesting with a SCSI2D as the sole
IML device. Interesting, I wonder what set and view SCSI configuration says. >>
If you can score on a pair of AT drive rails, they should be a slam-dunk
to screw on.
Drive retainer, the full width/height ventilated metal piece under the
front bezel?
FRUs for bezels have changed over the years. So we'll start with some
common ones, then you can do Gooble-Foo...
9585, 8595, 9595, and 95A use identical dimensioned floppy bezels. I am
sure there are even older 8595 XP486 FRUs for the floppy bezels...
https://www.ardent-tool.com/docs/pdf/ps2-hmm.pdf
About page 290, physical
85/95
Blank Diskette Drive Bezel 33F8437
3.5-Inch Diskette Drive Bezel 33F8426
95A
Diskette Drive Blank Bezel 71G5001
3.5-Inch Diskette Drive Bezel 71G5000
Finally got he machine home after testing it with the seller, there are no errors on the machine :-)
What a long trip on my tricycle, and I also forgot my helmet - thanks for the reminder :-))
There are something rotten in the state of Denmark...the drive retainer under the front bezel is missing,
I could see that straight away - and the bezel for the floppy drive is for a model 76/77, it has got this
fru number.: 92F1598. - Don´t know if it is possible to find the retainer or floppy bezel.
Also missing a couple of other bezels - Is it possible to find out the partnumbers for them ?.
I have looked at http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/eprm/h185.htm but i am not sure which ones are
the right ones for the front bezel..??.
The cdrom drive has no rails, it just loosely placed on the drive tray
The Scsi2SD has also been tested, and it works fine with the SCSI controller, there were no problems
booting the machine with that one. the Scsi2SD is now configurated as 2 scsi drives ( ID6 and ID5 )
In the SCSI menu on the machine it shows up like 2 physical drives, with 2GB each.
Dos has been installed on C-drive.
The seller was very honest about the missing things, and we agreed on a lower price.
I got a model 50z and an extra planar for that one, and also a 3Com Network card Rj45
for $ 330,- he was happy to know they will get a good home.
I have placed some new Danish picsXXX in the Google drive
Going to clean the machine outside and inside tomorrow
The legs are very aching....but I had tailwind on my way home...
Link to Google drive.: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dBXmlRLZ_GIJYHU9oYTAwM-BDjwcsVcz?usp=sharing
It is the full drive retainer that is missing...
I have got a box of AT-drive rails, I will have a look and see if I can find a pair.
Was looking in my PS/2 box and found a 1.2MB floppy drive ( 64F4102 )complete with rails and front bezel,
I have tested it and it isworking.
I could perhaps install that one too in the machine - but do I need a floppy controller since it uses standard floppy cable ?.
Had a look at this one..https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155527262119?hash=item243625afa7:g:LaEAAOSwoKxkS~FO
He has got some floppy controllers..
You must have aching legs, pedaling that home...
Link to Gooble Park?
I'm curious, blue, this should be interesting with a SCSI2D as the sole
IML device. Interesting, I wonder what set and view SCSI configuration says.
If you can score on a pair of AT drive rails, they should be a slam-dunk
to screw on.
Drive retainer, the full width/height ventilated metal piece under the
front bezel?
FRUs for bezels have changed over the years. So we'll start with some
common ones, then you can do Gooble-Foo...
9585, 8595, 9595, and 95A use identical dimensioned floppy bezels. I am
sure there are even older 8595 XP486 FRUs for the floppy bezels...
https://www.ardent-tool.com/docs/pdf/ps2-hmm.pdf
About page 290, physical
85/95
Blank Diskette Drive Bezel 33F8437
3.5-Inch Diskette Drive Bezel 33F8426
95A
Diskette Drive Blank Bezel 71G5001
3.5-Inch Diskette Drive Bezel 71G5000
Finally got he machine home after testing it with the seller, there are no errors on the machine :-)
What a long trip on my tricycle, and I also forgot my helmet - thanks for the reminder :-))
There are something rotten in the state of Denmark...the drive retainer under the front bezel is missing,
I could see that straight away - and the bezel for the floppy drive is for a model 76/77, it has got this
fru number.: 92F1598. - Don´t know if it is possible to find the retainer or floppy bezel.
Also missing a couple of other bezels - Is it possible to find out the partnumbers for them ?.
I have looked at http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/eprm/h185.htm but i am not sure which ones are
the right ones for the front bezel..??.
The cdrom drive has no rails, it just loosely placed on the drive tray
The Scsi2SD has also been tested, and it works fine with the SCSI controller, there were no problems
booting the machine with that one. the Scsi2SD is now configurated as 2 scsi drives ( ID6 and ID5 )
In the SCSI menu on the machine it shows up like 2 physical drives, with 2GB each.
Dos has been installed on C-drive.
The seller was very honest about the missing things, and we agreed on a lower price.
I got a model 50z and an extra planar for that one, and also a 3Com Network card Rj45
for $ 330,- he was happy to know they will get a good home.
I have placed some new Danish picsXXX in the Google drive
Going to clean the machine outside and inside tomorrow
lørdag den 29. april 2023 kl. 21.54.16 UTC+2 skrev Louis Ohland:
You must have aching legs, pedaling that home...
Link to Gooble Park?
I'm curious, blue, this should be interesting with a SCSI2D as the sole
IML device. Interesting, I wonder what set and view SCSI configuration says. >>
If you can score on a pair of AT drive rails, they should be a slam-dunk
to screw on.
Drive retainer, the full width/height ventilated metal piece under the
front bezel?
FRUs for bezels have changed over the years. So we'll start with some
common ones, then you can do Gooble-Foo...
9585, 8595, 9595, and 95A use identical dimensioned floppy bezels. I am
sure there are even older 8595 XP486 FRUs for the floppy bezels...
https://www.ardent-tool.com/docs/pdf/ps2-hmm.pdf
About page 290, physical
85/95
Blank Diskette Drive Bezel 33F8437
3.5-Inch Diskette Drive Bezel 33F8426
95A
Diskette Drive Blank Bezel 71G5001
3.5-Inch Diskette Drive Bezel 71G5000
Finally got he machine home after testing it with the seller, there are no errors on the machine :-)
What a long trip on my tricycle, and I also forgot my helmet - thanks for the reminder :-))
There are something rotten in the state of Denmark...the drive retainer under the front bezel is missing,
I could see that straight away - and the bezel for the floppy drive is for a model 76/77, it has got this
fru number.: 92F1598. - Don´t know if it is possible to find the retainer or floppy bezel.
Also missing a couple of other bezels - Is it possible to find out the partnumbers for them ?.
I have looked at http://ps-2.kev009.com/eprmhtml/eprm/h185.htm but i am not sure which ones are
the right ones for the front bezel..??.
The cdrom drive has no rails, it just loosely placed on the drive tray
The Scsi2SD has also been tested, and it works fine with the SCSI controller, there were no problems
booting the machine with that one. the Scsi2SD is now configurated as 2 scsi drives ( ID6 and ID5 )
In the SCSI menu on the machine it shows up like 2 physical drives, with 2GB each.
Dos has been installed on C-drive.
The seller was very honest about the missing things, and we agreed on a lower price.
I got a model 50z and an extra planar for that one, and also a 3Com Network card Rj45
for $ 330,- he was happy to know they will get a good home.
I have placed some new Danish picsXXX in the Google drive
Going to clean the machine outside and inside tomorrow
The legs are very aching....but I had tailwind on my way home...
Link to Google drive.: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dBXmlRLZ_GIJYHU9oYTAwM-BDjwcsVcz?usp=sharing
It is the full drive retainer that is missing...
I have got a box of AT-drive rails, I will have a look and see if I can find a pair.
Was looking in my PS/2 box and found a 1.2MB floppy drive ( 64F4102 )complete with rails and front bezel,
I have tested it and it isworking.
I could perhaps install that one too in the machine - but do I need a floppy controller since it uses standard floppy cable ?.
Had a look at this one..https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155527262119?hash=item243625afa7:g:LaEAAOSwoKxkS~FO
He has got some floppy controllers..
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