• SCSI woes

    From Wolfgang Gehl@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 2 21:12:22 2022
    I want to run a Corvette Turbo in a 95a. Unfortunately, the disk often
    stops during operation and then starts up again.

    The hard disk is a Fujitsu MA3367NC with 36,7GB, reduced to 4GB capacity
    in order to be used as a system disk. It works flawless in an other
    system. I use a SCA to wide SCSI adapter with this disk.

    To make sure it is not a SCSI configuration error, I tried installing NT
    4.0. Just before writing the startup configuration files, the hard disk
    stopped and then started up again. If it was an error in the SCSI configuration, I would not have gotten this far.

    The current firmware is C6. According to the Ardent Tool C9 is the
    latest firmware revision. Suprisingly the upgrade tool claims that C6 is
    a more recent revision than C9 and refuses to write C9 to the Corvette
    Turbo.

    Has anyone ever had similar experiences with SCSI hard drives that stop
    during operation and then start up again?

    Does anyone have an idea how I can bring the firmware to revision C9?

    Regards

    Wolfgang

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Wolfgang Gehl on Sun Oct 2 15:45:53 2022
    You are running with scissors.

    Corvette Turbo, means the C9 should support the DFW hardware.

    Not so sure about the Intel vs Power flavors. Never seen any exploration
    of what, if any difference, that would make.


    Startup configuration files... Do you mean the System convenience
    partition, or do you mean NT 4.0 system configuration?

    Stop then start up? Any power saving stuff on the HD? Is this the lone
    HD? I >assume< you don't have ancient 5.25" SCSI drives that suck power
    like mad...

    Huh, from my DIMM memories, NT 4.0 boot partition has a 2GB limit, due
    to NT 4.0 disk setup using FAT to initially partition the HD, then that partition is then converted to NTFS. Possumbly, NT install probes the
    physical geometry and chokes?

    I once pursued >2GB boot, it can be done if you boot an NT 4.0 SP6a
    system, configure the target HD as NTFS, then take the >4GB boot disk
    off, install it in it's own system, then install NT 4.0 on it. A few
    years ago, so I don't remember details.

    Wolfgang Gehl wrote:
    I want to run a Corvette Turbo in a 95a. Unfortunately, the disk often
    stops during operation and then starts up again.

    The hard disk is a Fujitsu MA3367NC with 36,7GB, reduced to 4GB capacity
    in order to be used as a system disk. It works flawless in an other
    system. I use a SCA to wide SCSI adapter with this disk.

    To make sure it is not a SCSI configuration error, I tried installing NT
    4.0. Just before writing the startup configuration files, the hard disk stopped and then started up again. If it was an error in the SCSI configuration, I would not have gotten this far.

    The current firmware is C6. According to the Ardent Tool C9 is the
    latest firmware revision. Suprisingly the upgrade tool claims that C6 is
    a more recent revision than C9 and refuses to write C9 to the Corvette
    Turbo.

    Has anyone ever had similar experiences with SCSI hard drives that stop during operation and then start up again?

    Does anyone have an idea how I can bring the firmware to revision C9?

    Regards

    Wolfgang


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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Sun Oct 2 15:48:09 2022
    Run advanced diags, test the DFW -AND- the SCA HD.

    Louis Ohland wrote:
    You are running with scissors.

    Corvette Turbo, means the C9 should support the DFW hardware.

    Not so sure about the Intel vs Power flavors. Never seen any exploration
    of what, if any difference, that would make.


    Startup configuration files... Do you mean the System convenience
    partition, or do you mean NT 4.0 system configuration?

    Stop then start up? Any power saving stuff on the HD? Is this the lone
    HD? I >assume< you don't have ancient 5.25" SCSI drives that suck power
    like mad...

    Huh, from my DIMM memories, NT 4.0 boot partition has a 2GB limit, due
    to NT 4.0 disk setup using FAT to initially partition the HD, then that partition is then converted to NTFS. Possumbly, NT install probes the physical geometry and chokes?

    I once pursued >2GB boot, it can be done if you boot an NT 4.0 SP6a
    system, configure the target HD as NTFS, then take the >4GB boot disk
    off, install it in it's own system, then install NT 4.0 on it. A few
    years ago, so I don't remember details.

    Wolfgang Gehl wrote:
    I want to run a Corvette Turbo in a 95a. Unfortunately, the disk often
    stops during operation and then starts up again.

    The hard disk is a Fujitsu MA3367NC with 36,7GB, reduced to 4GB
    capacity in order to be used as a system disk. It works flawless in an
    other system. I use a SCA to wide SCSI adapter with this disk.

    To make sure it is not a SCSI configuration error, I tried installing
    NT 4.0. Just before writing the startup configuration files, the hard
    disk stopped and then started up again. If it was an error in the SCSI
    configuration, I would not have gotten this far.

    The current firmware is C6. According to the Ardent Tool C9 is the
    latest firmware revision. Suprisingly the upgrade tool claims that C6
    is a more recent revision than C9 and refuses to write C9 to the
    Corvette Turbo.

    Has anyone ever had similar experiences with SCSI hard drives that
    stop during operation and then start up again?

    Does anyone have an idea how I can bring the firmware to revision C9?

    Regards

    Wolfgang


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  • From Wolfgang Gehl@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 3 23:18:44 2022
    Am 02.10.22 um 22:48 schrieb Louis Ohland:
    Run advanced diags, test the DFW -AND- the SCA HD.


    Advanced diags ran the test without error message, although the disk
    stopped and restarted once during the test. Advanced diags outputs
    revision C9 as DFW firmware. Strange.

    I have exchanged the Fujitsu hard disk for an IBM DCHS. It is much
    slower than the Fujitsu but it runs without stopping.

    The Fujitsu works fine with the SCA to wide SCSI adapter on an Adaptec
    PCI ultra wide SCSI host adapter. I thought that Low-Voltage
    Differential SCSI was backward compatible with Fast SCSI.

    DFW seems to have a problem of some kind. I am curious how long the DCHS
    runs error-free.

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  • From schimmi@21:1/5 to Wolfgang Gehl on Mon Oct 3 16:24:32 2022
    I thought that Low-Voltage
    Differential SCSI was backward compatible with Fast SCSI.
    Indeed, they are. Controller and drive 'handshakes' capabilities on startup. Guess its power related, as Louis mentioned, or a bad drive/cabling/termination. I'd try to find out the power consumption on the +5v and +12v rails on both drives to get a
    first clue.

    Wolfgang Gehl schrieb am Montag, 3. Oktober 2022 um 23:18:45 UTC+2:
    Am 02.10.22 um 22:48 schrieb Louis Ohland:
    Run advanced diags, test the DFW -AND- the SCA HD.

    Advanced diags ran the test without error message, although the disk
    stopped and restarted once during the test. Advanced diags outputs
    revision C9 as DFW firmware. Strange.

    I have exchanged the Fujitsu hard disk for an IBM DCHS. It is much
    slower than the Fujitsu but it runs without stopping.

    The Fujitsu works fine with the SCA to wide SCSI adapter on an Adaptec
    PCI ultra wide SCSI host adapter. I thought that Low-Voltage
    Differential SCSI was backward compatible with Fast SCSI.

    DFW seems to have a problem of some kind. I am curious how long the DCHS runs error-free.

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  • From richard smice@21:1/5 to schimmi on Tue Oct 4 10:24:08 2022
    On Monday, October 3, 2022 at 7:24:33 PM UTC-4, schimmi wrote:
    I thought that Low-Voltage
    Differential SCSI was backward compatible with Fast SCSI.
    Indeed, they are. Controller and drive 'handshakes' capabilities on startup. Guess its power related, as Louis mentioned, or a bad drive/cabling/termination. I'd try to find out the power consumption on the +5v and +12v rails on both drives to get a
    first clue.
    Wolfgang Gehl schrieb am Montag, 3. Oktober 2022 um 23:18:45 UTC+2:
    Am 02.10.22 um 22:48 schrieb Louis Ohland:
    Run advanced diags, test the DFW -AND- the SCA HD.

    Advanced diags ran the test without error message, although the disk stopped and restarted once during the test. Advanced diags outputs revision C9 as DFW firmware. Strange.

    I have exchanged the Fujitsu hard disk for an IBM DCHS. It is much
    slower than the Fujitsu but it runs without stopping.

    The Fujitsu works fine with the SCA to wide SCSI adapter on an Adaptec
    PCI ultra wide SCSI host adapter. I thought that Low-Voltage
    Differential SCSI was backward compatible with Fast SCSI.

    DFW seems to have a problem of some kind. I am curious how long the DCHS runs error-free.
    I would suspect the Hard drive in itself has problems.... Try a different hard drive... Before anything...else
    sometimes the Donkey cannot carry the load... I have had lots and lots of hard drive problems and very , very few controller problems
    drives fail all of the time,,, controllers ,,,,Not so often. Often the larger the hard drive the larger the problem...
    Do you remember the plate spinners on ED Sullivan.... LOL

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