• [Update] Model 80 Memory Cards

    From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 28 23:28:33 2021
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/8580/Planar_Memory.html

    Based on photos from David. Additional card variants, new outlines,
    parts lists...

    Why some of the cards have 4 different IC types and why are they
    organized in strange patterns? Dunno, probulation needed.

    And there were many other changes as well:

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/other/Changelog.html#Changelog

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Sun Aug 29 07:06:09 2021
    About a year ago, there was a third party 72 pin SIMM to Model 80 planar
    memory connector [adapter]? I didn't buy it.

    It was over in Germany, IIRC

    "From Peter:
    I once... [tried] to build a "Model 80 to 72-pin SIMM" converter -
    an attempt that failed so far for various reasons (lack of time mostly)."

    On 8/28/2021 16:28, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/8580/Planar_Memory.html

    Based on photos from David. Additional card variants, new outlines,
    parts lists...

    Why some of the cards have 4 different IC types and why are they
    organized in strange patterns? Dunno, probulation needed.

    And there were many other changes as well:

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/other/Changelog.html#Changelog


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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Sun Aug 29 14:08:32 2021
    Do you have the auction (or whatever) saved? Or at least the photos?

    On 29.8.2021 14:06, Louis Ohland wrote:
    About a year ago, there was a third party 72 pin SIMM to Model 80 planar memory connector [adapter]? I didn't buy it.

    It was over in Germany, IIRC

    "From Peter:
       I once... [tried] to build a "Model 80 to 72-pin SIMM" converter - an attempt that failed so far for various reasons (lack of time mostly)."

    On 8/28/2021 16:28, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/8580/Planar_Memory.html

    Based on photos from David. Additional card variants, new outlines,
    parts lists...

    Why some of the cards have 4 different IC types and why are they
    organized in strange patterns? Dunno, probulation needed.

    And there were many other changes as well:

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/other/Changelog.html#Changelog



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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Sun Aug 29 07:10:02 2021
    No. I think it was during the plague of unbelief....

    On 8/29/2021 07:08, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    Do you have the auction (or whatever) saved? Or at least the photos?

    On 29.8.2021 14:06, Louis Ohland wrote:
    About a year ago, there was a third party 72 pin SIMM to Model 80 planar
    memory connector [adapter]? I didn't buy it.

    It was over in Germany, IIRC

    "From Peter:
       I once... [tried] to build a "Model 80 to 72-pin SIMM" converter - an >> attempt that failed so far for various reasons (lack of time mostly)."

    On 8/28/2021 16:28, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    https://www.ardent-tool.com/8580/Planar_Memory.html

    Based on photos from David. Additional card variants, new outlines,
    parts lists...

    Why some of the cards have 4 different IC types and why are they
    organized in strange patterns? Dunno, probulation needed.

    And there were many other changes as well:

    https://www.ardent-tool.com/other/Changelog.html#Changelog




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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Sun Aug 29 08:01:48 2021
    64 and 96 Contact Inverse Male Three Row Connectors

    https://datasheet.datasheetarchive.com/originals/library/Datasheet-082/DASF0042402.pdf

    On 8/29/2021 07:36, Louis Ohland wrote:
    Panduit 130-096-553

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 29 08:08:42 2021
    https://datasheet.datasheetarchive.com/originals/library/Datasheet-082/DASF0042402.pdf

    64 and 96 Contact Inverse Female Three Row Connectors

    96 Contacts
    Contact arrangement Fully Equipped (Rows a + b + c)
    Performance Level 3 [???]
    Termination method [Right angle] .114"

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 29 08:15:45 2021
    The HI-CON™ product line is a full line of DIN 41612 connectors.

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 29 08:32:14 2021
    https://www.mouser.com/Connectors/Backplane-Connectors/DIN-41612-Connectors/_/N-axj5j?P=1ysmvawZ1yzv6sa

    DIN 41612 Type R is the correct name, I think...

    Active part, looks like all mounting styles available...

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  • From Louis Ohland@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Sun Aug 29 08:19:13 2021
    https://web.archive.org/web/20050113071508/http://www.itwpancon.com/HiConpages/Hi-Con45.pdf

    Performance Level 3 Min. 50 Mating Cycles

    On 8/29/2021 08:08, Louis Ohland wrote:
    Performance Level 3

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to Louis Ohland on Sun Aug 29 15:42:49 2021
    Nice. Connector info added:

    https://ardent-tool.com/8580/Planar_Memory.html#Connector

    On 29.8.2021 15:32, Louis Ohland wrote:
    https://www.mouser.com/Connectors/Backplane-Connectors/DIN-41612-Connectors/_/N-axj5j?P=1ysmvawZ1yzv6sa


    DIN 41612 Type R is the correct name, I think...

    Active part, looks like all mounting styles available...

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  • From Tomas Slavotinek@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 30 09:47:06 2021
    On the 1 MB 15F6820 card we have 12 chips total, 4 chip types, chips of
    the same type organized in columns by 3. No clue about the "topology".

    The 1 MB 15F6773 card has 18 chips total, 4 chip types (different than
    above), most of the chips are organized in strange "<" and ">" patterns.
    There are eight 89X9809 and eight 89X9831 - either all these are 512Kbit
    DRAMs or half of them are 1Mbit DRAMs and the other half some sort of
    driver. And a similar thing applies to the two remaining special
    snowflakes - 89X9822 and 89X9821. Either both of them are parity DRAMs
    (lower density in this case), or one is a DRAM and the other a driver.
    I'm more inclined towards the DRAM/driver hypothesis, since that would
    at least explain the different P/Ns. But it's hard to tell without some
    painful probulation...

    2 MB 92F0664 - no clue (uses the same chips as the 15F6820 card).

    2 MB 15F6822 - 18 chips of the same type (89X8922), probably 1Mbit
    DRAMs, 16 of which are used for data and the last two as parity chips.

    4 MB IBM card - 36 chips of the same type (23F7261), same idea as the
    card above.

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  • From IBMMuseum@21:1/5 to Tomas Slavotinek on Mon Aug 30 10:33:30 2021
    On Monday, August 30, 2021 at 1:47:10 AM UTC-6, Tomas Slavotinek wrote:
    On the 1 MB 15F6820 card we have 12 chips total, 4 chip types, chips of
    the same type organized in columns by 3. No clue about the "topology".

    The 1 MB 15F6773 card has 18 chips total, 4 chip types (different than above), most of the chips are organized in strange "<" and ">" patterns. There are eight 89X9809 and eight 89X9831 - either all these are 512Kbit DRAMs or half of them are 1Mbit DRAMs and the other half some sort of driver. And a similar thing applies to the two remaining special
    snowflakes - 89X9822 and 89X9821. Either both of them are parity DRAMs (lower density in this case), or one is a DRAM and the other a driver.
    I'm more inclined towards the DRAM/driver hypothesis, since that would
    at least explain the different P/Ns. But it's hard to tell without some painful probulation...

    2 MB 92F0664 - no clue (uses the same chips as the 15F6820 card).

    2 MB 15F6822 - 18 chips of the same type (89X8922), probably 1Mbit
    DRAMs, 16 of which are used for data and the last two as parity chips.

    4 MB IBM card - 36 chips of the same type (23F7261), same idea as the
    card above.

    Exactly, I was after the topology of the different "sugar-cube" chips, to map their pinouts in known implementations. There are IBM designs that the same chips are in that could be understood much better. Certainly, for chips that are separated from
    boards, an effort could be made to look inside - the aluminum exterior just contains the resin that IBM poured in around the chip die.

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