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    From 87oscar87mail@gmail.com@21:1/5 to dstephen on Fri Oct 26 11:24:33 2018
    On Monday, December 2, 1996 at 8:00:00 AM UTC, dstephen wrote:
    Can't any of you wait until something is fixed before buying it? I
    heard so many reports of bugs in the first game (Arena) that I never
    bought it. People go out and buy this stuff like the first day when it
    is totally unfinished. I guess someone has to so I know better. The
    thing I can't figure out is how game magazines are giving it like 83
    percent or above. I'd say based upon what I see hear it pretty much
    bites... (I don't want to spend 2-10 hours in a dungeon killing
    rats.... then bump into some mega vampire guy all of a sudden)
    Well, after your beta testing you paid like 40 bucks to do is
    over.. maybe I'll get it then with patch 369 final-hopefully for like
    16 bucks in a bargain bin.
    Based upond sales of this game, Bethesda will release number III
    with a bunch of bugs also. They do it because they know they can get
    away with it.

    Dave

    Let's be honest, the majority of bugs in it are now fixed completely. Anyway, a few bugs doesn't matter for such an amazing game for the time.

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  • From Rin Stowleigh@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 26 16:58:33 2018
    On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT), 87oscar87mail@gmail.com
    wrote:

    On Monday, December 2, 1996 at 8:00:00 AM UTC, dstephen wrote:
    Can't any of you wait until something is fixed before buying it? I
    heard so many reports of bugs in the first game (Arena) that I never
    bought it. People go out and buy this stuff like the first day when it
    is totally unfinished. I guess someone has to so I know better. The
    thing I can't figure out is how game magazines are giving it like 83
    percent or above. I'd say based upon what I see hear it pretty much
    bites... (I don't want to spend 2-10 hours in a dungeon killing
    rats.... then bump into some mega vampire guy all of a sudden)
    Well, after your beta testing you paid like 40 bucks to do is
    over.. maybe I'll get it then with patch 369 final-hopefully for like
    16 bucks in a bargain bin.
    Based upond sales of this game, Bethesda will release number III
    with a bunch of bugs also. They do it because they know they can get
    away with it.

    Dave

    Let's be honest, the majority of bugs in it are now fixed completely. Anyway, a few bugs doesn't matter for such an amazing game for the time.

    Yeah, talk about ants in the pants, impatience is a non virtue.

    Couldn't he have kept a lid on it for 22 years or however long it took
    them to get it working properly?

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  • From 87oscar87mail@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Rin Stowleigh on Fri Oct 26 22:49:24 2018
    On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:58:37 PM UTC+1, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT), 87oscar87mail@gmail.com
    wrote:

    On Monday, December 2, 1996 at 8:00:00 AM UTC, dstephen wrote:
    Can't any of you wait until something is fixed before buying it? I
    heard so many reports of bugs in the first game (Arena) that I never
    bought it. People go out and buy this stuff like the first day when it
    is totally unfinished. I guess someone has to so I know better. The
    thing I can't figure out is how game magazines are giving it like 83
    percent or above. I'd say based upon what I see hear it pretty much
    bites... (I don't want to spend 2-10 hours in a dungeon killing
    rats.... then bump into some mega vampire guy all of a sudden)
    Well, after your beta testing you paid like 40 bucks to do is
    over.. maybe I'll get it then with patch 369 final-hopefully for like
    16 bucks in a bargain bin.
    Based upond sales of this game, Bethesda will release number III
    with a bunch of bugs also. They do it because they know they can get
    away with it.

    Dave

    Let's be honest, the majority of bugs in it are now fixed completely. Anyway, a few bugs doesn't matter for such an amazing game for the time.

    Yeah, talk about ants in the pants, impatience is a non virtue.

    Couldn't he have kept a lid on it for 22 years or however long it took
    them to get it working properly?

    My god, someone responded. I was joking, to be honest. The original poster wasn't wrong, anyway, they did 'just keep making them'.

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  • From Trumpcard@21:1/5 to dstephen on Sat Oct 27 05:51:22 2018
    On Monday, December 2, 1996 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, dstephen wrote:
    Can't any of you wait until something is fixed before buying it? I
    heard so many reports of bugs in the first game (Arena) that I never
    bought it. People go out and buy this stuff like the first day when it
    is totally unfinished. I guess someone has to so I know better. The
    thing I can't figure out is how game magazines are giving it like 83
    percent or above. I'd say based upon what I see hear it pretty much
    bites... (I don't want to spend 2-10 hours in a dungeon killing
    rats.... then bump into some mega vampire guy all of a sudden)
    Well, after your beta testing you paid like 40 bucks to do is
    over.. maybe I'll get it then with patch 369 final-hopefully for like
    16 bucks in a bargain bin.
    Based upond sales of this game, Bethesda will release number III
    with a bunch of bugs also. They do it because they know they can get
    away with it.

    Dave

    My God... I remember this thread from my sophomore year of college....

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  • From Spalls Hurgenson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 27 09:46:45 2018
    On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 22:49:24 -0700 (PDT), 87oscar87mail@gmail.com
    wrote:

    On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:58:37 PM UTC+1, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT), 87oscar87mail@gmail.com
    wrote:

    On Monday, December 2, 1996 at 8:00:00 AM UTC, dstephen wrote:
    Can't any of you wait until something is fixed before buying it? I
    heard so many reports of bugs in the first game (Arena) that I never
    bought it. People go out and buy this stuff like the first day when it
    is totally unfinished. I guess someone has to so I know better. The
    thing I can't figure out is how game magazines are giving it like 83
    percent or above. I'd say based upon what I see hear it pretty much
    bites... (I don't want to spend 2-10 hours in a dungeon killing
    rats.... then bump into some mega vampire guy all of a sudden)
    Well, after your beta testing you paid like 40 bucks to do is
    over.. maybe I'll get it then with patch 369 final-hopefully for like
    16 bucks in a bargain bin.
    Based upond sales of this game, Bethesda will release number III
    with a bunch of bugs also. They do it because they know they can get
    away with it.

    Dave

    Let's be honest, the majority of bugs in it are now fixed completely.
    Anyway, a few bugs doesn't matter for such an amazing game for the time.

    Yeah, talk about ants in the pants, impatience is a non virtue.

    Couldn't he have kept a lid on it for 22 years or however long it took
    them to get it working properly?

    My god, someone responded. I was joking, to be honest. The original poster
    wasn't wrong, anyway, they did 'just keep making them'.

    And they did get less buggy. I mean, the latter games were in no way
    bug-free, but Daggerfall was an absolute mess - often to the point of
    being unplayable and unfinishable - on release. You can't say that
    about Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim. You might face the occassional crash-to-desktop or a quest might be screwed up, but at least you
    could finish the game without resorting to cheat codes!

    That said, it was never the bugs that killed my interest in
    Daggerfall. It was the huge, characterless world. Oh sure, the game
    had size but - because it was all procedurally generated - all that
    space was filled with uninteresting and repetitive content. I didn't
    so much mind the wilderness (especially since you could quick-travel
    past most of it) but the cities were just the worst. I was really
    surprised that there was an Elder Scrolls 3, because Daggerfall - for
    all its attempts at innovation - was such an awful experience.
    Fortunately, Bethesda saw the light and switched over to hand-created
    content for the latter games.

    But the bugs were a concern. The first time I played, I fell through
    the floor of the starting dungeon, and things didn't get much better
    from there. I persevered, but it didn't make the game any more
    enjoyable.

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  • From Rin Stowleigh@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 27 09:16:04 2018
    On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 22:49:24 -0700 (PDT), 87oscar87mail@gmail.com
    wrote:

    On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:58:37 PM UTC+1, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT), 87oscar87mail@gmail.com
    wrote:

    On Monday, December 2, 1996 at 8:00:00 AM UTC, dstephen wrote:
    Can't any of you wait until something is fixed before buying it? I
    heard so many reports of bugs in the first game (Arena) that I never
    bought it. People go out and buy this stuff like the first day when it
    is totally unfinished. I guess someone has to so I know better. The
    thing I can't figure out is how game magazines are giving it like 83
    percent or above. I'd say based upon what I see hear it pretty much
    bites... (I don't want to spend 2-10 hours in a dungeon killing
    rats.... then bump into some mega vampire guy all of a sudden)
    Well, after your beta testing you paid like 40 bucks to do is
    over.. maybe I'll get it then with patch 369 final-hopefully for like
    16 bucks in a bargain bin.
    Based upond sales of this game, Bethesda will release number III
    with a bunch of bugs also. They do it because they know they can get
    away with it.

    Dave

    Let's be honest, the majority of bugs in it are now fixed completely. Anyway, a few bugs doesn't matter for such an amazing game for the time.

    Yeah, talk about ants in the pants, impatience is a non virtue.

    Couldn't he have kept a lid on it for 22 years or however long it took
    them to get it working properly?

    My god, someone responded. I was joking, to be honest. The original poster wasn't wrong, anyway, they did 'just keep making them'.\

    Yes but I'm not one to pass up a badgering opportunity :)

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  • From Zaghadka@21:1/5 to 87oscar87mail@gmail.com on Sat Oct 27 08:55:00 2018
    On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 22:49:24 -0700 (PDT), in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg, 87oscar87mail@gmail.com wrote:

    My god, someone responded. I was joking, to be honest. The original poster wasn't wrong, anyway, they did 'just keep making them'.

    This. Is. USENET!!!!

    --
    Zag

    No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
    spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

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  • From Dimensional Traveler@21:1/5 to Trumpcard on Sat Oct 27 09:42:16 2018
    On 10/27/2018 5:51 AM, Trumpcard wrote:
    On Monday, December 2, 1996 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, dstephen wrote:
    Can't any of you wait until something is fixed before buying it? I
    heard so many reports of bugs in the first game (Arena) that I never
    bought it. People go out and buy this stuff like the first day when it
    is totally unfinished. I guess someone has to so I know better. The
    thing I can't figure out is how game magazines are giving it like 83
    percent or above. I'd say based upon what I see hear it pretty much
    bites... (I don't want to spend 2-10 hours in a dungeon killing
    rats.... then bump into some mega vampire guy all of a sudden)
    Well, after your beta testing you paid like 40 bucks to do is
    over.. maybe I'll get it then with patch 369 final-hopefully for like
    16 bucks in a bargain bin.
    Based upond sales of this game, Bethesda will release number III
    with a bunch of bugs also. They do it because they know they can get
    away with it.

    Dave

    My God... I remember this thread from my sophomore year of college....

    And now your kids are getting ready to go to college. (Feel old yet?)

    --
    Inquiring minds want to know while minds with a self-preservation
    instinct are running screaming.

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  • From Xocyll@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 29 06:38:51 2018
    Spalls Hurgenson <spallshurgenson@gmail.com> looked up from reading the entrails of the porn spammer to utter "The Augury is good, the signs
    say:

    On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 22:49:24 -0700 (PDT), 87oscar87mail@gmail.com
    wrote:

    On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 9:58:37 PM UTC+1, Rin Stowleigh wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 11:24:33 -0700 (PDT), 87oscar87mail@gmail.com
    wrote:

    On Monday, December 2, 1996 at 8:00:00 AM UTC, dstephen wrote:
    Can't any of you wait until something is fixed before buying it? I
    heard so many reports of bugs in the first game (Arena) that I never
    bought it. People go out and buy this stuff like the first day when it >>> >> is totally unfinished. I guess someone has to so I know better. The
    thing I can't figure out is how game magazines are giving it like 83
    percent or above. I'd say based upon what I see hear it pretty much
    bites... (I don't want to spend 2-10 hours in a dungeon killing
    rats.... then bump into some mega vampire guy all of a sudden)
    Well, after your beta testing you paid like 40 bucks to do is
    over.. maybe I'll get it then with patch 369 final-hopefully for like >>> >> 16 bucks in a bargain bin.
    Based upond sales of this game, Bethesda will release number III >>> >> with a bunch of bugs also. They do it because they know they can get
    away with it.

    Dave

    Let's be honest, the majority of bugs in it are now fixed completely.
    Anyway, a few bugs doesn't matter for such an amazing game for the time.

    Yeah, talk about ants in the pants, impatience is a non virtue.

    Couldn't he have kept a lid on it for 22 years or however long it took
    them to get it working properly?

    My god, someone responded. I was joking, to be honest. The original poster
    wasn't wrong, anyway, they did 'just keep making them'.

    And they did get less buggy. I mean, the latter games were in no way >bug-free, but Daggerfall was an absolute mess - often to the point of
    being unplayable and unfinishable - on release. You can't say that
    about Morrowind, Oblivion or Skyrim. You might face the occassional >crash-to-desktop or a quest might be screwed up, but at least you
    could finish the game without resorting to cheat codes!

    Not strictly true.
    Morrowind had a massive problem at release, the copy protection
    (SafeDisc) made _CONSTANT_ calls to the disc and lagged systems so badly
    the game was unplayable.

    To the point that Bethesda quickly released a patch that completely
    removed the copy protection.

    The pirated version of course never had the problem.


    That said, it was never the bugs that killed my interest in
    Daggerfall. It was the huge, characterless world. Oh sure, the game
    had size but - because it was all procedurally generated - all that
    space was filled with uninteresting and repetitive content. I didn't
    so much mind the wilderness (especially since you could quick-travel
    past most of it) but the cities were just the worst. I was really
    surprised that there was an Elder Scrolls 3, because Daggerfall - for
    all its attempts at innovation - was such an awful experience.
    Fortunately, Bethesda saw the light and switched over to hand-created
    content for the latter games.

    But the bugs were a concern. The first time I played, I fell through
    the floor of the starting dungeon, and things didn't get much better
    from there. I persevered, but it didn't make the game any more
    enjoyable.

    Sometimes the randomly stitched together dungeons could also misalign
    setting up areas that could not be gotten to at all.

    Still, it's is probably still my vote for greatest game of all time.
    It did not handhold you, it gave you so many, many options for character builds, and it was huge, giving you the sense that you are just one of
    many people in a world, instead of the usual "ALL-TIME SUPERSTAR HERO
    KNOWN BY EVERYONE YOU MEET" of all too many games since then.

    Skyrim by comparison is some kids playing in the backyard, it is so damn
    tiny, you can literally run across the entire _COUNTRY_ in minutes.

    And for all the "handcrafted" dungeons, they sure all seemed very, very
    similar in Morrowind, and the oblivion gates in Oblivion were all the
    same and mind numbingly tedious.

    Now add in all the things that went away, and I fully expect ES5 or 6 to
    end up in 2d, they're losing so much depth.

    Everyone picks locks in Skyrim, no matter what "class" you are, you pick
    locks, while in Daggerfall, thief types picked locks, magic users used
    spells and warriors bashed things open.

    You could climb walls to enter cities, and climb up on houses to escape
    guards - who chased you and tried to kill you they didn't just tell you
    to stop and YOU AUTO-STOPPED and had to make a choice to run or flee,
    which gave you an instant bounty that the ENTIRE PLANET instantly knows
    about, even though they were nowhere near you and could not have caught
    you or even identified you.

    You could steal stuff and even sell it back to the guy you stole it from
    in Daggerfall - compare that to Morrowind, where you stole an item and
    now all items of that type are forever flagged as stolen to the guy you
    stole one of them from.

    Yeah, Daggerfall had issues, but it did so many things exactly right,
    and is pretty much the last game to do so.

    Every Elder Scrolls game since has been dumbed down and lost features
    like class specific skills, spell crafting, stats.
    It's being dumbed down into a generic console game, where everything
    will get chosen for you, because you don't get to make any decisions,
    not even your character's name - that makes it too hard for them to tell
    a story and do full voice acting of your character.

    Which lets face it, isn't really yours.

    That's not role playing to me, that's playing a role someone else wrote, acting. No imagination required or even permitted, just control the
    character in QTE's and fights and sit back and watch the cutscenes, most
    of the rest of the time. NO THANKS!

    Xocyll
    --
    I don't particularly want you to FOAD, myself. You'll be more of
    a cautionary example if you'll FO And Get Chronically, Incurably,
    Painfully, Progressively, Expensively, Debilitatingly Ill. So
    FOAGCIPPEDI. -- Mike Andrews responding to an idiot in asr

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