Never Winter Nights 1 has a new official remaster on Steam. This was the last computer game that was close to being like playing PnP D&D.

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On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 14:44:37 -0700 (PDT), T987654321
<qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote:

Never Winter Nights 1 has a new official remaster on Steam.
This was the last computer game that was close to being like
playing PnP D&D.

I was excited about the remaster until I saw how little work they
actually did to it; it is more a compatibility shim for modern PCs and wide-screen displays than a proper remaster with improved graphics and controls. Seeing as I already have multiple versions of the game, I am
in no rush to buy this one.

Neverwinter Nights was a huge disappointment for me anyway, especially
coming from the Baldur's Gate series. Visually, it can't compare to
the older games; released in the early days of 3D graphics, it looks
positively grungy compared to the handdrawn backgrounds of the older
titles. Its 3D camera caused more problems than it solved; whenever I
play the game, I am constantly spinning the camera around trying to
find a good angle. The gameplay was knocked down to almost
Diablo-levels of clicking, turned into a shallow repise of the older
game's tactical combat. This was not helped in the least by the
removal of the party system; your adventure was limited to one
character and an optional follower. And the less said about the story
the better.

Oh, and it utilized the 3E D&D rules, which transformed the tabletop
game from one with easily-killed heroes to a game about overpowered
super heroes. While this did not significantly impact the video game,
I'll admit that just its inclusion in NWN affected my opinion of the
game negatively.

The one good thing about NWN was that Bioware made its SDK available
from the start, and the community made alot of interesting modules,
such as recreations of the old SSI Goldbox games.

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On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 14:44:37 -0700 (PDT), T987654321
<qwrtz123@gmail.com> wrote:

Never Winter Nights 1 has a new official remaster on Steam.
This was the last computer game that was close to being like
playing PnP D&D.

I was excited about the remaster until I saw how little work they
actually did to it; it is more a compatibility shim for modern PCs and >wide-screen displays than a proper remaster with improved graphics and >controls. Seeing as I already have multiple versions of the game, I am
in no rush to buy this one.

I was rather wondering about that - seems like they improved some tools, matchmaking, character portrait and such, but nothing that I would
consider a remaster (uprated graphics, better character
models/animation, etc)

Neverwinter Nights was a huge disappointment for me anyway, especially
coming from the Baldur's Gate series. Visually, it can't compare to
the older games; released in the early days of 3D graphics, it looks >positively grungy compared to the handdrawn backgrounds of the older
titles. Its 3D camera caused more problems than it solved; whenever I
play the game, I am constantly spinning the camera around trying to
find a good angle. The gameplay was knocked down to almost
Diablo-levels of clicking, turned into a shallow repise of the older
game's tactical combat. This was not helped in the least by the
removal of the party system; your adventure was limited to one
character and an optional follower. And the less said about the story
the better.

Agreed on the story, it was so much of an "engine demo pretending to be
a game/story" it might as well have been made by iD software.

Lots of community made module that were very good indeed, made up for
that.

SoU and HoTU were better.


I was never that enamored of Baldur's Gate - I have it, I played it, but
it was somewhat meh (although great hand painted scenery "landscapes")
for my tastes.

I did like the programmable "AI" of the party members though.

Not a patch on Planescape Torment.

Oh, and it utilized the 3E D&D rules, which transformed the tabletop
game from one with easily-killed heroes to a game about overpowered
super heroes. While this did not significantly impact the video game,
I'll admit that just its inclusion in NWN affected my opinion of the
game negatively.

Well overpowered if you built well and optimized, not so much if you
just made what you wanted and weren't optimizing for a super killer
char.

The one good thing about NWN was that Bioware made its SDK available
from the start, and the community made alot of interesting modules,
such as recreations of the old SSI Goldbox games.

Heck there was even a remake of Diablo, sort of.

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Most of the old mods are supposed to work with the new version, I think that's why they minimized changes.

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