• Secure wifi?

    From Boris@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 11 20:16:12 2017
    Is the secure wifi at my local pizza joint (shows up secure on networks,
    and the proprietor hands out password to anyone) any more (or less) secure
    than if I'm using Xfinity secure wifi?

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Boris on Sat Mar 11 16:49:24 2017
    Boris wrote:

    Is the secure wifi at my local pizza joint (shows up secure on networks,
    and the proprietor hands out password to anyone) any more (or less) secure than if I'm using Xfinity secure wifi?

    From Comcast's description, the traffic going through an xfinitywifi
    hotspot is not accessible to the owner of that wifi cable modem. With
    other hotspots, the operator could see your traffic. If it is secured
    (HTTPS or VPN) then they just see gibberish; however, that does not
    prevent them from inspecting the packet data to see the source IP
    address (you) and the destination IP address (to where you connect).
    Since the VPN provider is after the network channel, yep, the operator
    of that network channel can see you are connecting to a VPN service.
    This is the same inspection that your own ISP can perform even when
    using Tor: the network channel can see the sourc and destinations (for
    TOR, they can see the entry node, not the exit node). If you don't care
    about them tracking then just be sure whether or not you want your web
    traffic encrypted or tunneled to keep it private.

    It's not just businesses using Comcast's service than have wifi hotpots
    named xfinitywifi. Anyone with a dual-band wifi cable modem and the
    firmware can run an xfinitywifi hotspot. I have one at my home. Anyone
    that visits (who is a Comcast customer) gets to connect to my hotspot
    using the Xfinity Connect app on their device. Comcast allocates more bandwidth of which some is reserved just for the hotspot so its use
    doesn't affect my bandwidth in the service tier that I pay for.

    A wifi hotspot can be named anything. You might be at "Joe's Crab
    Shack" (assuming they provide wifi) and see "Joe's Crab Shack" and
    "Joe's" for hotspots. Which one is offered by the cafe and which one is
    some joker that came into the cafe with his own wifi hotspot? What if
    both wifi hotspots had the name "Joe's Crab Shack"? What if you see
    only one named "Joe's Crab Shack" while you are there but there are 2
    hotspots with the one with the strongest signal strength being the cybercriminal's?

    https://askleo.com/can_the_owner_of_an_open_wifi_hotspot_see_what_files_im_downloading/
    http://ask-leo.com/how_do_i_stay_safe_in_an_internet_cafe.html https://us.norton.com/travel-hotspot-security/article
    and lots more at https://www.google.com/search?q=wifi%20hotspot%20tracking#q=wifi+hotspot+security

    Although they suggest using a VPN, that's only needed when connecting to non-secure (HTTP) sites. Well, it's likely that such sites have nothing
    that, to you, would be considered sensitive or private since their
    content is published to any visitor. It's anywhere you login or are
    passing sensitive data (credit card or bank account numbers, etc). Even
    with HTTPS, the network channel can see you are connecting to, say, your
    bank and which one at what time but they cannot interrogate the traffic content, but what do you care if they know who is your banker unless you
    are laundering money? VPNs are safer but the good ones aren't free, and
    the free ones suck (downtime, slow, you have to trust an unknown with
    your traffic).

    When using someone's wifi hotspot, you are captive. They can push their
    own content, like ads. They may push them as separate pages at your web client, like the auth page the cafe presents to allow you to use their
    wifi service. They can inject banners into a non-secure HTTP web page
    (which also means you cannot trust the content of the page as it may
    have been altered, so maybe those hyperlinks don't go where they say
    they go). gozonewifi.com, muftwifi.com, and openwifispots.com are
    examples. This not only pushes ads but can track their customers: how
    often does this customer visit the cafe, at what times, for how long,
    and so on. They can track your history of use and destinations just
    like your ISP can.

    Use HTTPS. If you want more security, incorporate a VPN or use Tor.
    However, the network channel can see the source and destination for
    every connection, so they will know who you are and that you connected
    to a VPN server or a Tor entry node. They can still collect those
    logistics on their customers.

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  • From Casper H.S. Dik@21:1/5 to Boris on Sun Mar 12 14:38:49 2017
    Boris <nospam@nospam.invalid> writes:

    Is the secure wifi at my local pizza joint (shows up secure on networks,
    and the proprietor hands out password to anyone) any more (or less) secure >than if I'm using Xfinity secure wifi?

    The best thing to do is starting a properly (both side authenticated) VPN
    over such a connection. Then you should be fine.

    Casper

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  • From Barry Margolin@21:1/5 to Boris on Sun Mar 12 17:40:04 2017
    In article <XnsA7357D58A7499nospamnospaminvalid@213.239.209.88>,
    Boris <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

    Is the secure wifi at my local pizza joint (shows up secure on networks,
    and the proprietor hands out password to anyone) any more (or less) secure than if I'm using Xfinity secure wifi?

    About the same, I'd expect, unless someone at the pizza joint is a
    hacker who can create their own WiFi access point.

    When something shows up as secure in the list of networks, it means it
    requires a password to connect to it, but in the case of sites like this
    anyone can find out the password, AND the traffic after that is
    encrypted. I think if someone can intercept the initial handshake
    between your device and the AP, they could capture the session key and
    then decrypt everything from then on. But they could do this with an
    Xfinity hotspot, too.

    As someone else said, the best thing to do when using any public hotspot
    is to use end-to-end encryption, such as a VPN. SSL connections to
    websites also provide this protection.

    --
    Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
    Arlington, MA
    *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***

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