• UK man fined after avoiding facial recognition scanner on street

    From --Soccer4Life>>@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 15 04:30:06 2019
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    <https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html>

    A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.

    The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However, witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up hoods.

    Campaign group Big Brother Watch said one man had seen placards warning members of the public that automatic facial recognition cameras were filming them from a parked police van.

    "He simply pulled up the top of his jumper over the bottom of his face, put his head down and walked past," said director Silkie Carlo.

    "There was nothing suspicious about him at all _ you have the right to avoid [the cameras], you have the right to cover your face. I think he was exercising his rights."

    Ms Carlo, who was monitoring Thursday's trial in Romford, London, told The Independent she saw a plainclothed police officer follow the man before a group of officers "pulled him over to one side".

    She said they demanded to see the man's identification, which he gave them, and became "accusatory and aggressive".

    "The guy told them to p*** off and then they gave him the _90 public order fine for swearing," Ms Carlo added. "He was really angry."

    A spokesperson said officers were instructed to "use their judgment" on whether to stop people who avoid cameras.

    "Officers stopped a man who was seen acting suspiciously in Romford town centre during the deployment of the live facial recognition technology," a statement said.

    "After being stopped the man became aggressive and made threats towards officers. He was issued with a penalty notice for disorder as a result."

    Eight people were arrested during the eight-hour trial, although only three were a direct result of facial recognition technology.

    A 15-year-old boy identified by the cameras was arrested on suspicion of robbery but released with no further action.

    A 28-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and another man, 35-year-old man, was arrested on suspicion of breach of a molestation order.

    The other arrests were two teenage boys accused of robbery, a 17-year-old boy accused of firing a gun and two men, aged 25 and 46, for drug possession.

    The deployment trial was due to continue on Friday, but rescheduled because of forecast snow and cold temperatures causing "low footfall".

    Monitors saw several other people stopped outside Romford station, in north east London, including a student who had pulled his hood up and a man handcuffed and put in a police van.

    Activists from the Liberty human rights group said they spoke to a youth worker who was stopped because he "looked like someone" on a watchlist, but had been misidentified.

    Scotland Yard said the two-day deployment of cameras in Romford would be the last of 10 trials of the controversial technology.

    The Independent revealed that more than _200,000 was spent on six deployments that resulted in no arrests between August 2016 and July last year. Two people wanted for violent offences were arrested after a trial in December.

    Critics have called the force's use of facial recognition a "shambles" and accused Scotland Yard of wasting public money.

    Automatic facial recognition software compares live footage of people's faces to photos from a watchlist of selected images from a police database.

    Any potential matches are flashed up as an alert to officers, who then compare the faces and decide whether to stop someone.

    The Metropolitan Police has described the deployments as "overt" and said members of the public were informed facial recognition was being used by posters and leaflets.

    But no one questioned by The Independent after they passed through a scanning zone in central London in December had seen police publicity material, and campaigners claim the technology is being rolled out "by stealth".

    Detective Chief Superintendent Ivan Balhatchet, Scotland Yard's lead for facial recognition, said a full independent evaluation will be carried out.

    "The technology used in Romford forms part of the Met's ongoing efforts to reduce crime in the area, with a specific focus on tackling violence," he added.

    "As with all previous deployments the technology was used overtly. We continue to engage with many different stakeholders, some who actively challenge our use of this technology."

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  • From The Todal@21:1/5 to Incubus on Fri Feb 15 10:12:43 2019
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    On 15/02/2019 09:55, Incubus wrote:
    On 2019-02-15, --Soccer4Life>> <usasoccer16794@geocities.com> wrote:
    <https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html>

    A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.

    The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However, witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up hoods.

    Campaign group Big Brother Watch said one man had seen placards warning members of the public that automatic facial recognition cameras were filming them from a parked police van.

    "He simply pulled up the top of his jumper over the bottom of his face, put his head down and walked past," said director Silkie Carlo.

    "There was nothing suspicious about him at all _ you have the right to avoid [the cameras], you have the right to cover your face. I think he was exercising his rights."

    Ms Carlo, who was monitoring Thursday's trial in Romford, London, told The Independent she saw a plainclothed police officer follow the man before a group of officers "pulled him over to one side".

    She said they demanded to see the man's identification, which he gave them, and became "accusatory and aggressive".

    "The guy told them to p*** off and then they gave him the _90 public order fine for swearing," Ms Carlo added. "He was really angry."

    A spokesperson said officers were instructed to "use their judgment" on whether to stop people who avoid cameras.

    "Officers stopped a man who was seen acting suspiciously in Romford town centre during the deployment of the live facial recognition technology," a statement said.

    "After being stopped the man became aggressive and made threats towards officers. He was issued with a penalty notice for disorder as a result."

    Eight people were arrested during the eight-hour trial, although only three were a direct result of facial recognition technology.

    A 15-year-old boy identified by the cameras was arrested on suspicion of robbery but released with no further action.

    A 28-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and another man, 35-year-old man, was arrested on suspicion of breach of a molestation order.

    The other arrests were two teenage boys accused of robbery, a 17-year-old boy accused of firing a gun and two men, aged 25 and 46, for drug possession.

    The deployment trial was due to continue on Friday, but rescheduled because of forecast snow and cold temperatures causing "low footfall".

    Monitors saw several other people stopped outside Romford station, in north east London, including a student who had pulled his hood up and a man handcuffed and put in a police van.

    Activists from the Liberty human rights group said they spoke to a youth worker who was stopped because he "looked like someone" on a watchlist, but had been misidentified.

    Scotland Yard said the two-day deployment of cameras in Romford would be the last of 10 trials of the controversial technology.

    The Independent revealed that more than _200,000 was spent on six deployments that resulted in no arrests between August 2016 and July last year. Two people wanted for violent offences were arrested after a trial in December.

    Critics have called the force's use of facial recognition a "shambles" and accused Scotland Yard of wasting public money.

    Automatic facial recognition software compares live footage of people's faces to photos from a watchlist of selected images from a police database.

    Any potential matches are flashed up as an alert to officers, who then compare the faces and decide whether to stop someone.

    The Metropolitan Police has described the deployments as "overt" and said members of the public were informed facial recognition was being used by posters and leaflets.

    But no one questioned by The Independent after they passed through a scanning zone in central London in December had seen police publicity material, and campaigners claim the technology is being rolled out "by stealth".

    Detective Chief Superintendent Ivan Balhatchet, Scotland Yard's lead for facial recognition, said a full independent evaluation will be carried out.

    "The technology used in Romford forms part of the Met's ongoing efforts to reduce crime in the area, with a specific focus on tackling violence," he added.

    "As with all previous deployments the technology was used overtly. We continue to engage with many different stakeholders, some who actively challenge our use of this technology."

    Police State 2019...


    It's outrageous. It's what people would expect of Corbyn's socialist
    state of Great Britain.

    Labour does, of course, have a track record of imprisoning suspects
    without trial and being slapped down by our judges. It always made
    Blunkett very petulant, when he was slapped down.

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to usasoccer16794@geocities.com on Fri Feb 15 09:55:47 2019
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    On 2019-02-15, --Soccer4Life>> <usasoccer16794@geocities.com> wrote: ><https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html>

    A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.

    The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However, witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up hoods.

    Campaign group Big Brother Watch said one man had seen placards warning members of the public that automatic facial recognition cameras were filming them from a parked police van.

    "He simply pulled up the top of his jumper over the bottom of his face, put his head down and walked past," said director Silkie Carlo.

    "There was nothing suspicious about him at all _ you have the right to avoid [the cameras], you have the right to cover your face. I think he was exercising his rights."

    Ms Carlo, who was monitoring Thursday's trial in Romford, London, told The Independent she saw a plainclothed police officer follow the man before a group of officers "pulled him over to one side".

    She said they demanded to see the man's identification, which he gave them, and became "accusatory and aggressive".

    "The guy told them to p*** off and then they gave him the _90 public order fine for swearing," Ms Carlo added. "He was really angry."

    A spokesperson said officers were instructed to "use their judgment" on whether to stop people who avoid cameras.

    "Officers stopped a man who was seen acting suspiciously in Romford town centre during the deployment of the live facial recognition technology," a statement said.

    "After being stopped the man became aggressive and made threats towards officers. He was issued with a penalty notice for disorder as a result."

    Eight people were arrested during the eight-hour trial, although only three were a direct result of facial recognition technology.

    A 15-year-old boy identified by the cameras was arrested on suspicion of robbery but released with no further action.

    A 28-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and another man, 35-year-old man, was arrested on suspicion of breach of a molestation order.

    The other arrests were two teenage boys accused of robbery, a 17-year-old boy accused of firing a gun and two men, aged 25 and 46, for drug possession.

    The deployment trial was due to continue on Friday, but rescheduled because of forecast snow and cold temperatures causing "low footfall".

    Monitors saw several other people stopped outside Romford station, in north east London, including a student who had pulled his hood up and a man handcuffed and put in a police van.

    Activists from the Liberty human rights group said they spoke to a youth worker who was stopped because he "looked like someone" on a watchlist, but had been misidentified.

    Scotland Yard said the two-day deployment of cameras in Romford would be the last of 10 trials of the controversial technology.

    The Independent revealed that more than _200,000 was spent on six deployments that resulted in no arrests between August 2016 and July last year. Two people wanted for violent offences were arrested after a trial in December.

    Critics have called the force's use of facial recognition a "shambles" and accused Scotland Yard of wasting public money.

    Automatic facial recognition software compares live footage of people's faces to photos from a watchlist of selected images from a police database.

    Any potential matches are flashed up as an alert to officers, who then compare the faces and decide whether to stop someone.

    The Metropolitan Police has described the deployments as "overt" and said members of the public were informed facial recognition was being used by posters and leaflets.

    But no one questioned by The Independent after they passed through a scanning zone in central London in December had seen police publicity material, and campaigners claim the technology is being rolled out "by stealth".

    Detective Chief Superintendent Ivan Balhatchet, Scotland Yard's lead for facial recognition, said a full independent evaluation will be carried out.

    "The technology used in Romford forms part of the Met's ongoing efforts to reduce crime in the area, with a specific focus on tackling violence," he added.

    "As with all previous deployments the technology was used overtly. We continue to engage with many different stakeholders, some who actively challenge our use of this technology."

    Police State 2019...

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  • From Ophelia@21:1/5 to usasoccer16794@geocities.com on Fri Feb 15 10:40:54 2019
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    "Incubus" wrote in message news:q462b3$vs$2@dont-email.me...

    On 2019-02-15, --Soccer4Life>> <usasoccer16794@geocities.com> wrote: ><https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html>

    A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.

    The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be
    scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However, witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up hoods.

    Campaign group Big Brother Watch said one man had seen placards warning members of the public that automatic facial recognition cameras were
    filming them from a parked police van.

    "He simply pulled up the top of his jumper over the bottom of his face,
    put his head down and walked past," said director Silkie Carlo.

    "There was nothing suspicious about him at all _ you have the right to
    avoid [the cameras], you have the right to cover your face. I think he was exercising his rights."

    Ms Carlo, who was monitoring Thursday's trial in Romford, London, told The Independent she saw a plainclothed police officer follow the man before a group of officers "pulled him over to one side".

    She said they demanded to see the man's identification, which he gave
    them, and became "accusatory and aggressive".

    "The guy told them to p*** off and then they gave him the _90 public order fine for swearing," Ms Carlo added. "He was really angry."

    A spokesperson said officers were instructed to "use their judgment" on whether to stop people who avoid cameras.

    "Officers stopped a man who was seen acting suspiciously in Romford town centre during the deployment of the live facial recognition technology," a statement said.

    "After being stopped the man became aggressive and made threats towards officers. He was issued with a penalty notice for disorder as a result."

    Eight people were arrested during the eight-hour trial, although only
    three were a direct result of facial recognition technology.

    A 15-year-old boy identified by the cameras was arrested on suspicion of robbery but released with no further action.

    A 28-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and
    another man, 35-year-old man, was arrested on suspicion of breach of a molestation order.

    The other arrests were two teenage boys accused of robbery, a 17-year-old
    boy accused of firing a gun and two men, aged 25 and 46, for drug
    possession.

    The deployment trial was due to continue on Friday, but rescheduled
    because of forecast snow and cold temperatures causing "low footfall".

    Monitors saw several other people stopped outside Romford station, in
    north east London, including a student who had pulled his hood up and a
    man handcuffed and put in a police van.

    Activists from the Liberty human rights group said they spoke to a youth worker who was stopped because he "looked like someone" on a watchlist,
    but had been misidentified.

    Scotland Yard said the two-day deployment of cameras in Romford would be
    the last of 10 trials of the controversial technology.

    The Independent revealed that more than _200,000 was spent on six
    deployments that resulted in no arrests between August 2016 and July last year. Two people wanted for violent offences were arrested after a trial
    in December.

    Critics have called the force's use of facial recognition a "shambles" and accused Scotland Yard of wasting public money.

    Automatic facial recognition software compares live footage of people's
    faces to photos from a watchlist of selected images from a police
    database.

    Any potential matches are flashed up as an alert to officers, who then compare the faces and decide whether to stop someone.

    The Metropolitan Police has described the deployments as "overt" and said members of the public were informed facial recognition was being used by posters and leaflets.

    But no one questioned by The Independent after they passed through a
    scanning zone in central London in December had seen police publicity material, and campaigners claim the technology is being rolled out "by stealth".

    Detective Chief Superintendent Ivan Balhatchet, Scotland Yard's lead for facial recognition, said a full independent evaluation will be carried
    out.

    "The technology used in Romford forms part of the Met's ongoing efforts to reduce crime in the area, with a specific focus on tackling violence," he added.

    "As with all previous deployments the technology was used overtly. We continue to engage with many different stakeholders, some who actively challenge our use of this technology."

    Police State 2019...

    ==

    It edges forward ...

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  • From Incubus@21:1/5 to The Todal on Fri Feb 15 11:18:28 2019
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    On 2019-02-15, The Todal <the_todal@icloud.com> wrote:
    On 15/02/2019 09:55, Incubus wrote:
    On 2019-02-15, --Soccer4Life>> <usasoccer16794@geocities.com> wrote:
    <https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-technology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html>

    A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.

    The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However, witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up hoods.

    Campaign group Big Brother Watch said one man had seen placards warning members of the public that automatic facial recognition cameras were filming them from a parked police van.

    "He simply pulled up the top of his jumper over the bottom of his face, put his head down and walked past," said director Silkie Carlo.

    "There was nothing suspicious about him at all _ you have the right to avoid [the cameras], you have the right to cover your face. I think he was exercising his rights."

    Ms Carlo, who was monitoring Thursday's trial in Romford, London, told The Independent she saw a plainclothed police officer follow the man before a group of officers "pulled him over to one side".

    She said they demanded to see the man's identification, which he gave them, and became "accusatory and aggressive".

    "The guy told them to p*** off and then they gave him the _90 public order fine for swearing," Ms Carlo added. "He was really angry."

    A spokesperson said officers were instructed to "use their judgment" on whether to stop people who avoid cameras.

    "Officers stopped a man who was seen acting suspiciously in Romford town centre during the deployment of the live facial recognition technology," a statement said.

    "After being stopped the man became aggressive and made threats towards officers. He was issued with a penalty notice for disorder as a result."

    Eight people were arrested during the eight-hour trial, although only three were a direct result of facial recognition technology.

    A 15-year-old boy identified by the cameras was arrested on suspicion of robbery but released with no further action.

    A 28-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of false imprisonment and another man, 35-year-old man, was arrested on suspicion of breach of a molestation order.

    The other arrests were two teenage boys accused of robbery, a 17-year-old boy accused of firing a gun and two men, aged 25 and 46, for drug possession.

    The deployment trial was due to continue on Friday, but rescheduled because of forecast snow and cold temperatures causing "low footfall".

    Monitors saw several other people stopped outside Romford station, in north east London, including a student who had pulled his hood up and a man handcuffed and put in a police van.

    Activists from the Liberty human rights group said they spoke to a youth worker who was stopped because he "looked like someone" on a watchlist, but had been misidentified.

    Scotland Yard said the two-day deployment of cameras in Romford would be the last of 10 trials of the controversial technology.

    The Independent revealed that more than _200,000 was spent on six deployments that resulted in no arrests between August 2016 and July last year. Two people wanted for violent offences were arrested after a trial in December.

    Critics have called the force's use of facial recognition a "shambles" and accused Scotland Yard of wasting public money.

    Automatic facial recognition software compares live footage of people's faces to photos from a watchlist of selected images from a police database.

    Any potential matches are flashed up as an alert to officers, who then compare the faces and decide whether to stop someone.

    The Metropolitan Police has described the deployments as "overt" and said members of the public were informed facial recognition was being used by posters and leaflets.

    But no one questioned by The Independent after they passed through a scanning zone in central London in December had seen police publicity material, and campaigners claim the technology is being rolled out "by stealth".

    Detective Chief Superintendent Ivan Balhatchet, Scotland Yard's lead for facial recognition, said a full independent evaluation will be carried out.

    "The technology used in Romford forms part of the Met's ongoing efforts to reduce crime in the area, with a specific focus on tackling violence," he added.

    "As with all previous deployments the technology was used overtly. We continue to engage with many different stakeholders, some who actively challenge our use of this technology."

    Police State 2019...


    It's outrageous. It's what people would expect of Corbyn's socialist
    state of Great Britain.

    Labour does, of course, have a track record of imprisoning suspects
    without trial and being slapped down by our judges. It always made
    Blunkett very petulant, when he was slapped down.

    Both parties have lurched towards being a Police State. I've never pretended to be happy with the Home Office under the recent Conservative governments; they are deeply authoritarian and distrust technology in the hands of the people but consolidate its use by the state. May's ignorance in demanding a ban on encryption is a notable example and is one of the reasons I felt she would not make a good Prime Minister. They have continued where Blair left off in creating anti-terror laws that can, have (and will) be misused to subdue the population.

    Although I have never been naive enough to believe the government is, shall we say, my friend, I at least had faith that it would leave me alone as long as I didn't do anything outrageous. Now I don't trust it at all.

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 16 13:49:45 2019
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    On 04:30 15 Feb 2019, "--Soccer4Life>>" <usasoccer16794@geocities.com>
    wrote:

    <https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-t echnology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html>

    A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial
    facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.

    The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be
    scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However,
    witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or pulling up hoods.

    I suppose if we want Islamic terrorists not to hide their face behind a niqab or burka in public then we must also show our face.

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  • From William Unruh@21:1/5 to Pamela on Sat Feb 16 21:47:06 2019
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    On 2019-02-16, Pamela <pamela.uklegal@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 04:30 15 Feb 2019, "--Soccer4Life>>" <usasoccer16794@geocities.com> wrote:

    <https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/facial-recognition-cameras-t
    echnology-london-trial-met-police-face-cover-man-fined-a8756936.html>

    A man has been fined after refusing to be scanned by controversial
    facial recognition cameras being trialled by the Metropolitan Police.

    The force had put out a statement saying "anyone who declines to be
    scanned will not necessarily be viewed as suspicious". However,
    witnesses said several people were stopped after covering their faces or
    pulling up hoods.

    I suppose if we want Islamic terrorists not to hide their face behind a niqab or burka in public then we must also show our face.

    Since breasts and penises and pubes and knees differ between people, we
    should demand that everyone go around naked so we can identify them more easily. This business of people changing clothes from day to day (and
    even worse, hairstyles) also just has to stop. Sheesh.



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