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    From RISKS List Owner@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 12 19:56:54 2019
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    Subject: U.S. Charges Former Twitter Employees With Spying for Saudi Arabia
    (WSJ)

    Justice Department says the two former accessed information about people who made posts critical of the Saudi royal family

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-charges-individuals-for-fraudulently-accessing-twitter-users-private-data-and-providing-info-to-saudi-arabia-11573080810

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    Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 08:24:33 -1000
    From: geoff goodfellow <geoff@iconia.com>
    Subject: The Internet is tilting toward tyranny (WashPost)

    The Internet in its early days seemed destined to enhance freedom. Authoritarian governments might bar citizens from the Web or decrease what citizens could do on the Web, but they would not use the Web as a tool to
    clamp down. Needless to say, things have changed.

    For the ninth year in a row, Freedom House's annual ``Freedom on the Net'' report <https://www.freedomonthenet.org/report/freedom-on-the-net/2019/the-crisis-of-social-media>
    charts a decrease in Internet freedom around the world. Authoritarian
    regimes and democratic ones both are marshaling sophisticated technology to turn the Web against the people with aggressive media manipulation campaigns and mass surveillance.

    More than 3.8 billion people have access to the Internet today, and more
    than 70 percent live in countries where individuals have been arrested for posting about political, social or religious issues. Sixty-five percent live
    in countries where individuals have been attacked or killed for their online activities -- individuals like the two Thai anti-government activists whose bodies were found <https://apnews.com/46be62385c4e40aea66fe5881a7492ed>
    stuffed with concrete in the Mekong River last December. <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/17/thailand-dissidents-murder-mekong-election>

    Freedom House found that unscrupulous politicians launder disinformation
    into the mainstream through local actors such as pop culture personalities
    and business magnates, many of whom are paid for their efforts to amplify conspiracy theories, misleading memes and more. Consultants in the
    Philippines charge 30 million pesos, or $580,000, for three-month influence efforts conducted in closed groups as well as on hyperpartisan ``alternative news'' channels. Brazil's presidential election featured operatives who
    scraped phone numbers from Facebook to add voters to WhatsApp groups filled with propaganda based on their personal identifiers. In India, 1.3 million youths in the National Cadet Corps were instructed to download a special app from Prime Minister Narendra Modi marketed as a source for official news and stuffed with deceptive and divisive material.

    The report also focuses on ``machine-driven monitoring of the public,'' realized to its fullest dystopian extent in China. The Muslim Uighur
    minority there is systematically tracked by law enforcement equipped with a biometric database <https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/12/asia/china-xinjiang-dna/index.html>of almost the entire population. But even in the United States, agencies have become
    more aggressive with warrantless searches of electronic devices at the
    border and social media sweeps of immigrants and immigration activists.
    There's also a booming market for high-tech surveillance capabilities among less advanced countries, particularly in Africa and the Middle East. A 2020 trade show in Dubai will feature the best of the worst from global firms,
    such as a product from the Chinese company Semptian that can audit the
    online activity of 5 million people for $1.5 million to $2.5 million, a
    bargain for any dictator.

    The Internet, we have learned, does not inevitably bring freedom. Society's blindness to anything but the good of the Web might have left well-meaning governments behind in regulating to enshrine privacy or ensure transparency
    in elections. It's not too late to aim for a better Year 10. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-internet-gets-less-free--for-the-ninth-year-in-a-row/2019/11/05/ffe3fca0-ff48-11e9-8bab-0fc209e065a8_story.html

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:18:47 -0500
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: Network Solutions: Important Security Information re: Breach

    What Happened?

    On October 16, 2019, Network Solutions determined that a third-party gained unauthorized access to a limited number of our computer systems in late
    August 2019, and as a result, account information may have been accessed. No credit card data was compromised as a result of this incident.

    Upon discovery of this unauthorized access, the company immediately began working with an independent cybersecurity firm to conduct a comprehensive investigation to determine the scope of the incident, including the specific data impacted. We have also reported the intrusion to federal authorities
    and are notifying affected customers.

    Safeguarding our customer's information is core to our mission. We are committed to protecting our customers against misuse of their information
    and have invested heavily in cybersecurity. We will continue to do so as we incorporate the key learnings of this incident to further strengthen our
    cyber defenses.

    https://notice.networksolutions.com/

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    Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2019 10:37:57 PST
    From: "Peter G. Neumann" <neumann@csl.sri.com>
    Subject: Radios do interfere with garage-door openers! (fauquiernow)

    https://www.fauquiernow.com/fauquier_news/article/fauquier-feds-admit-radios-interfere-with-garage-door-openers-11-5-2019

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    Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 00:56:05 +0800
    From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org>
    Subject: Automatic bug tracker issue closers (stalebot)

    Yeah I told 'em. https://github.com/probot/stale/issues/247#issuecomment-552521764

    "Sure, for you young whippersnappers, closing issues automatically is only natural.

    But for older users who are in and out of the hospital (for longer periods
    than stalebot default settings), when they return to their desks to find
    their issues all automatically closed, it sends just one message: Don't
    bother with the project (that uses stalebot.)"

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:34:52 -1000
    From: geoff goodfellow <geoff@iconia.com>
    Subject: Robinhood Markets -- rob the poor to feed the rich? (Bloomberg)

    EXCERPT:

    A glitch in the Robinhood Markets Inc. <https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/1278015D:US> system is allowing users to
    trade stocks with excess borrowed funds, giving them access to what amounts
    to free money.

    Dubbed the `infinite money cheat code' by users of Reddit Inc.'s
    WallStreetBets forum, the bug is being exploited, according to users on the forum. One trader bragged <https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/> about a $1 million position funded by a $4,000 deposit. https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/drt5tr/guh_of_fame_2019/

    Robinhood is ``aware of the isolated situations and communicating directly
    with customers,'' spokesperson Lavinia Chirico said in an email response to questions.

    The Menlo Park, California-based money-management software designer touts trading ``free from commission fees.'' Robinhood Gold customers are invited
    to ``supercharge'' their investing by paying $5 a month to trade on margin,
    or money borrowed from the company.

    A Guy on Reddit Turns $766 Into $107,758 on Two Options Trades <https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/a-guy-on-reddit-turns-766-into-107-758-on-two-options-trades>

    Here's how the trade works. Users of Robinhood Gold are selling covered
    calls using money borrowed from Robinhood. Nothing wrong with that. The
    problem arises when Robinhood incorrectly adds the value of those calls to
    the user's own capital. And that means that the more money a user borrows,
    the more money Robinhood will lend them for future trading. ...

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-05/robinhood-has-a-glitch-that-gives-traders-infinite-leverage

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    Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 03:17:40 -0600
    From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
    Subject: Apps track students from the classroom to bathroom, and parents are
    struggling to keep up (WashPost)

    A digital hallpass app that tracks bathroom trips is the latest school software to raise privacy concerns.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/29/school-apps-track-students-classroom-bathroom-parents-are-struggling-keep-up/

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    Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:11:15 -0400
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: At an Outback Steakhouse Franchise, Surveillance Blooms (WiReD)

    Fried onion meets 1984.

    As casual dining chains have declined in popularity, many have experimented with surveillance technology designed to maximize employee efficiency and performance. Earlier this week, one Outback Steakhouse franchise announced
    it would begin testing such a tool, a computer vision program called Presto Vision, at a single outpost in the Portland, Oregon area. Your Bloomin'
    Onion now comes with a side of Big Brother.

    https://www.eater.com/2017/10/3/16360878/decline-applebees-olive-garden-tgi-fridays
    https://www.wired.com/story/guide-artificial-intelligence/ https://www.wired.com/story/outback-steakhouse-presto-vision-surveillance/

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    Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:17:42 -0500
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: Researchers hack Siri, Alexa, and Google Home by shining lasers at
    them (Ars Technica)

    MEMS mics respond to light as if it were sound. No one knows precisely why.

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/11/researchers-hack-siri-alexa-and-google-home-by-shining-lasers-at-them/

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    Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 14:23:00 -1000
    From: geoff goodfellow <geoff@iconia.com>
    Subject: Insanely humanlike androids have entered the workplace and
    soon may take your job (CNBC)

    * Russian start-up Promobot recently unveiled what it calls the
    world's first android that looks just like a real person and can
    serve in a business capacity.
    * Robo-C can be made to look like anyone, so it's like an android clone.
    * It comes with an artificial intelligence system that has more than
    100,000 speech modules.
    * It can perform workplace tasks, such as answering customer questions
    at offices, airports, banks and museums, while accepting payments.
    * Hiroshi Ishiguro and his Japanese collaborators have created a
    number of androids that look like humans, including one called
    Erica, a newscaster on Japanese TV.

    EXCERPT:

    November 2019 is a landmark month in the history of the future. That's when humanoid robots that are indistinguishable from people start running amok in Los Angeles. Well, at least they do in the seminal sci-fi film `Blade
    Runner'. Thirty-seven years after its release, we don't have murderous androids running around. But we do have androids like Hanson Robotics'
    Sophia and they could soon start working in jobs traditionally performed by people.
    <https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/05/hanson-robotics-ceo-sophia-the-robot-an-advocate-for-womens-rights.html>,

    Russian start-up Promobot recently unveiled what it calls the world's first autonomous android. It closely resembles a real person and can serve in a business capacity. Robo-C can be made to look like anyone, so it's like an android clone. It comes with an artificial intelligence system that has more than 100,000 speech modules, according to the company. It can operate at
    home, acting as a companion robot and reading out the news or managing smart appliances -- basically, an anthropomorphic smart speaker. It can also
    perform workplace tasks such as answering customer questions in places like offices, airports, banks and museums, while accepting payments and
    performing other functions.

    *Digital immortality?*

    `We analyzed the needs of our customers, and there was a demand,'' says Promobot co-founder and development director Oleg Kivokurtsev. `But, of course, we started the development of an anthropomorphic robot a long time
    ago, since in robotics there is the concept of the `Uncanny Valley,' and the most positive perception of the robot arises when it looks like a
    person. Now we have more than 10 orders from companies and private clients
    from around the world.''

    Postulated by Japanese roboticist Masahiro Mori in 1970, the Uncanny Valley <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley> is a hypothesis related to
    the design of robots. It holds that the more humanlike a robot appears, the more people will notice its flaws. This can create a feeling akin to
    looking at zombies, and can creep people out. A properly designed android that's as faithful as possible to the human original, however, can overcome this `valley'' (a dip when the effect is imagined as a graph) and the zombie factor.

    While it can't walk around, Robo-C has 18 moving parts in its face, giving
    it 36 degrees of freedom. The company says it has over 600 micro facial expressions, the most on the market. It also has three degrees of freedom in its neck and torso, offering limited movement. Still, Promobot says it can
    be useful in homes and workplaces. The price of the robot is $20,000 to
    $50,000 depending on options and customized appearance.

    The company says it's building four Robo-Cs: one for a government service center, where the machine will scan passports and perform other functions,
    one that will look like Einstein and be part of a robot exhibition, and two
    for a family in the Middle East that wants to have android versions of its father and his wife to greet guests.

    ``The key moment in development [of Robo-C] is the digitization of
    personality and the creation of an individual appearance, As a result,
    digital immortality, which we can offer our customers.'' (Kivokurtsev)

    *The robotic revolution in Japan*...

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/31/human-like-androids-have-entered-the-workplace-and-may-take-your-job.html

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    Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 00:07:22 -0400
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: HireVue's AI face-scanning algorithm increasingly decides whether
    you deserve the job (Wash Post)

    The AI, he said, doesn't explain its decisions or give candidates their assessment scores, which he called `not relevant.'' But
    it is `not logical,'' he said, to assume some people
    might be unfairly eliminated by the automated judge.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/22/ai-hiring-face-scanning-algorithm-increasingly-decides-whether-you-deserve-job/

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    Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:26:09 -1000
    From: geoff goodfellow <geoff@iconia.com>
    Subject: Screen time is actually good for kids! (Oxford)

    *Contrary to what you've heard, a study from the Oxford Internet Institute
    says screen time is actually good for kids*
    EXCERPT:

    Here's what the American Academy of Pediatrics says about screen time for
    kids:

    - children between 2 and 5 should be limited to ``one hour a day of
    high-quality programming''
    - infants between 18 and 24 months can have screen time so long as it's
    high quality and with a caregiver
    - babies shouldn't be exposed to screens other than video chat

    Andrew Przybylski of the Oxford Internet Institute thinks that's way off
    base. In a controversial new study published in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, he and colleagues don't just
    swipe at the predominant thinking that kids should be exposed to as little screen time as possible -- they argue that moderate screen time is
    actually *good* for kids. <https://www.jaacap.org/article/S0890-8567(19)31437-6/fulltext>

    The study set out to test two ideas. ``The first was to test if there were `optimal' levels of screen time in young people,'' Przybylski said via
    email. ``The second was to look for a critical value, or tipping point, at which screen engagement was significantly related to well-being outcomes.''

    Przybylski, along with his colleagues, found ``modest positive relations''
    when kids used devices and/or watched television for up to two hours a day. Contrary to medical recommendations, the team reported that kids would need
    to be using screens ``for more than five hours a day'' before parents would notice any differences.

    The study's findings are based on data from more than 35,000 American
    children and caregivers and reported by the National Survey of Children's Health via the US Census Bureau between June 2016 and February 2017.
    Przybylski says his analysis suggests that children who are using a digital device -- a television, video game console <https://www.technologyreview.com/f/613959/video-games-dont-depress-teens-as-much-as-other-screen-time/>,
    tablet, laptop, smartphone, or any other gadget with a screen -- have better social and emotional skills than kids who don't use this technology.

    The research overturns dominant thinking about screen time, which has overwhelmingly pointed to worrisome increases in rates of depression <https://www.technologyreview.com/f/614297/teens-are-anxious-and-depressed-after-three-hours-a-day-on-social-media/>
    , anxiety <https://www.technologyreview.com/f/614038/josh-hawley-social-media-addictive-design-legislation-smart-act-bill/>,
    and suicidal tendencies...

    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/614619/screen-time-is-good-for-youmaybe/

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    Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 07:37:39 +0800
    From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org>
    Subject: Risks of posting the wrong emoji

    I saw this in a web discussion:

    "I am so sorry that I pressed the emoji by accident, I was hoping to give
    one like [cheery smiles] instead of [thumbs down]! but I don't know how to
    change it."

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    Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 23:07:27 -0400
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: We Have No Reason to Believe 5G Is Safe
    (Scientific American Blog Network)

    The technology is coming, but contrary to what some people say, there could
    be health risks

    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/we-have-no-reason-to-believe-5g-is-safe/

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    Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:25:01 -0400
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: She Accidentally Uncovered a Nationwide Scam on Airbnb (VICE)

    Author writes:

    Feeling I had all the evidence I needed to prove my point to Airbnb, I
    emailed the company's press team a long note, asking them, among other
    things, how they make sure that people are accurately representing
    themselves on their profiles and how case managers are directed to deal with allegations of fraud.

    A little more than 24 hours later, a company flak responded in an emailed statement.

    ``Engaging in deceptive behavior such as substituting one listing for
    another is a violation of our Community Standards. We are suspending the listings while we investigate further.''

    That was it. No one at the company ever agreed to speak on the record about
    the specifics of what I uncovered. Nor would anyone answer any of my
    questions about Airbnb's verification process. As far as what obligation it
    has to people who have fallen victim to a scam on Airbnb's platform, the company only said in an email that it is "here 24/7 to support with
    rebooking assistance, full refunds and reimbursements" in cases of fraud or misrepresentation by hosts. Maybe Airbnb couldn't get more detailed about
    its verification process because it doesn't have much of one at all.

    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43k7z3/nationwide-fake-host-scam-on-airbnb

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    Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:57:25 +0800
    From: Richard Stein <rmstein@ieee.org>
    Subject: Expanded testbed in Singapore for autonomous vehicles a big
    boost for research and developers (The Straits Times)

    https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/transport/expanded-test-bed-a-big-boost-for-research-developers
    (behind paywall)

    The area in Singapore authorized for silicon-based self-driving trial deployment is under-populated. A carbon-based safety-driver is required equipment.

    Before wide-spread deployment is authorized in Singapore (or anywhere), it
    is strongly recommended that the self-driving manufacturer's board of directors, CxOs, employees, and their families be exclusive passengers for a
    1 year trial under normal traffic conditions.

    Technology dog-fooding never harms anyone, right?

    If trial participation does not materialize and persist, self-driving
    vehicle product viability and industry will sink.

    If nothing untoward arises per established metrics during the trial, then public confidence will justifiably build for the current self-driving
    product release version.

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    Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 15:49:29 -0400
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: Coalfire CEO statement

    Westminster, COl, 29 Oct 2019 -- The ongoing situation in Iowa is completely ridiculous, and I hope that the citizens of Iowa continue to push for
    justice and common sense. Today, we found out that charges against Justin
    Wynn and Gary DeMercurio, the two Coalfire employees at the center of the Dallas County Courthouse incident on September 11, 2019, have been reduced
    from felony accusations of Burglary in the third-degree and possession of burglary tools to criminal trespass.

    I do not consider this a `win; for our employees, and Coalfire will continue
    to support and aggressively pursue all avenues to ensure that all charges
    are dropped and their criminal records are purged of any wrongdoing. After
    the Iowa Supreme Court Chief Justice apologized and admitted mistakes were made, I was expecting all charges to be dropped.

    As seen in the statement of work that was made public online, our employees were simply doing the job that Coalfire was hired to do for the Iowa State Judicial Branch, a job similar in nature to one we did three years ago for
    the Iowa State Judicial Branch and have done hundreds of times around the
    world for similar clients.

    Active penetration testing, including physical penetration testing, is a
    best practice and a common engagement. We identify issues and risks before criminals find them. Oftentimes the risks are systems issues, sometimes the risks are as simple as finding a broken door that would allow a person with malicious intent to enter a secure area unnoticed. Our mission is to help
    our clients secure their environments and protect the people that work for them, their customers, and the confidential information they maintain. In
    this case, we were helping to protect the residents of Iowa.

    https://www.coalfire.com/News-and-Events/Press-Releases/Coalfire-CEO-Tom-McAndrew-statement

    [So much backstory we'll likely never learn. Long and fascinating.]

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    Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 17:13:27 -0400
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: Cirrus' $2 Million Vision Jet Now Lands Itself, No Pilot Needed
    (WiReD)

    The Safe Return Emergency Autoland System lets passengers hit a big red
    button to bring the plane to safety if the pilot's incapacitated.

    https://www.wired.com/story/cirrus-garmin-vision-jet-autoland-safe-return/

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    Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 09:20:35 -0500
    From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
    Subject: These Machines Can Put You in Jail. Don't Trust Them. (NYTimes)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/business/drunk-driving-breathalyzer.html

    Alcohol breath tests, a linchpin of the criminal justice system, are often unreliable, a Times investigation found.

    5 Reasons to Question Breath Tests

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/business/breathalyzer-investigation-takeaways.html

    Technology at the heart of drunken-driving cases across the country has been successfully challenged, with tens of thousands of tests thrown out.

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    Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:18:25 -0500
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: Trolling Is Now Mainstream Political Discourse (WiReD)

    We have entered an era where silence is not golden, and our participation is beholden to technology platforms. It's a rigged game we cannot win. Which
    means that American voters have but one way out: taking action in 2020.

    https://www.wired.com/story/opinion-trolling-is-now-mainstream-political-discourse/

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    Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 16:30:04 -0400
    From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
    Subject: Video giant Twitch pushes Trump rallies and mass violence into the
    live-stream age (WashPost)

    Video giant Twitch pushes Trump rallies and mass violence into the
    live-stream age

    Tens of millions of viewers have watched video streamed on Twitch this
    year. But the site's exploding fan base has attracted those seeking to sow discord and spotlight mass violence.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/17/video-giant-twitch-pushes-trump-rallies-mass-violence-into-live-stream-age/

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    Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:34:54 -0500
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: Text messages delayed from February were mysteriously sent
    overnight IThe Verge)

    It's happening to people across all major US carriers

    Something strange is happening with text messages in the US right now. Overnight, a multitude of people received text messages that appear to have originally been sent on or around Valentine's Day 2019. These people never received the text messages in the first place; the people who sent the
    messages had no idea that they had never been received, and they did nothing
    to attempt to resend them overnight.

    https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2019/11/7/20953422/text-messages-delayed-received-overnight-valentines-day-delay

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    Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 11:36:20 -0500
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: Netflix to stop supporting older devices from Samsung, Roku, and
    Vizio in December (The Verge)

    https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/8/20955155/netflix-samsung-vizio-smart-tv-roku-set-top-box-support-ending-date

    The risk? "Progress".

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    Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2019 22:17:48 -0500
    From: Gabe Goldberg <gabe@gabegold.com>
    Subject: Members of violent white supremacist website exposed in massive
    data dump (Ars Technica)

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/11/massive-data-dump-exposes-members-of-website-for-violent-white-supremacists/

    Comments are mixed between cheering and advocating privacy for all ...

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    Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 20:43:09 +0800
    From: Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org>
    Subject: Re: Mountain village begs tourists not to follow Google Maps and
    get stuck (CNN via Reisert, RISKS-31.46)

    launched an appeal to visitors, telling them not to rely on Google Maps

    In my mountain village if Google can't deal with house number "1-6" it sends the user to house number 1.

    If Google doesn't know where an address is on a road, it sends the user to
    the mid-point of the road (kilometer 1.23 of a 2.46 km. long road.)

    If 488 Main St. in Town A is closer than 488 Main St. in Town B, that is
    where it will send you despite you entering the latter...

    The only thing that still hasn't screwed up yet here in Taiwan with Google
    is good old fashioned latitude,longitude pairs.

    So I had to take all the addresses off my website, just because people kept inserting them into Google, and ending up over the hills and far away.

    And because nobody at Google is ever home, I don't have to worry about them disputing my above claims.

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