• Connecting U320 LVD/SE HBA with narrow SCSI-1 device?

    From James Youngman@21:1/5 to All on Mon May 24 02:56:53 2021
    I (will soon) have a LSI LSI20320IE SCSI PCI-E HBA. That has, I think, a single VHDCI ("Alt 4, P-cable connector") connector. According to the manufacturer's manual, it features LVD/SE termination.

    I would like to use it to access a tape drive capable of reading DDS-1 and DDS-2 tapes.

    Because backward compatibility for DDS seems like a bit of a lottery, it seems reasonable to get a DDS2 tape drive (so that I have the best shot of being able to also read the DDS1 tapes). IOW, I'm worried that if I get, say, a DDS-3 drive it may no
    longer read DDS-1. The DDS-2 tape drives that I can spot on eBay mostly seem to have the Centronics / CN50 / SCSI-1 / "Alternative 2, A-cable connector" connectors. I suppose I'm going to end up buying one of these, though I haven't chosen one in
    particular. The HBA and the tape drive will be the only devices on the SCSI bus.

    What cabling and termination am I going to need in order to make this work? Any tips on where to buy those?

    Can I, for example, just use a cable like this one <https://www.ebay.ie/itm/361858629574> and use a normal CN50 active terminator on the tape unit? Or might that not work? If it won't work, why won't it work? What should I do instead? (Can I
    assume that such a cable would terminate the upper byte of the SCSI channel?)

    (I'm not concerned about the performance aspects of this, just whether it works at all).

    Thanks,
    James.

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  • From Michael =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=E4uerle?=@21:1/5 to James Youngman on Mon May 24 12:34:53 2021
    James Youngman wrote:

    I (will soon) have a LSI LSI20320IE SCSI PCI-E HBA. That has, I
    think, a single VHDCI ("Alt 4, P-cable connector") connector.
    According to the manufacturer's manual, it features LVD/SE
    termination.

    I would like to use it to access a tape drive capable of reading
    DDS-1 and DDS-2 tapes.

    Because backward compatibility for DDS seems like a bit of a lottery,
    it seems reasonable to get a DDS2 tape drive (so that I have the best
    shot of being able to also read the DDS1 tapes). IOW, I'm worried
    that if I get, say, a DDS-3 drive it may no longer read DDS-1.
    The DDS-2 tape drives that I can spot on eBay mostly seem to have
    the Centronics / CN50 / SCSI-1 / "Alternative 2, A-cable connector" connectors. I suppose I'm going to end up buying one of these, though
    I haven't chosen one in particular.
    The HBA and the tape drive will be the only devices on the SCSI bus.

    What cabling and termination am I going to need in order to make this
    work? Any tips on where to buy those?

    Can I, for example, just use a cable like this one <https://www.ebay.ie/itm/361858629574> and use a normal CN50 active terminator on the tape unit?

    Yes, this should work.

    The HBA has a LVD/SE (multimode) interface. Old DDS drives normally use
    SE (only) interfaces. If such a device is connected to a SCSI bus, all multimode interfaces will be switched to SE mode automatically.

    The maximum bus (segment) length for SE is 3 m for the fastest SE
    transfer mode (Fast-20), as long as there are not more than four
    devices on this segment. The cable above has a length of 2 m and
    should therefore not be too long.

    Or might that not work?
    If it won't work, why won't it work?
    What should I do instead?
    (Can I assume that such a cable would terminate the upper byte of the
    SCSI channel?)

    No, there are cables with and without terminators for the additional
    signal lines of a wide bus. Both types should be usable for your
    configuration.

    As long as there is one terminator present (you can configure the HBA to terminate the whole wide bus at one end), the signal lines are not
    floating and this should be sufficient when they are unused (no wide
    data transfers are possible with your configuration).

    The signal lines for the narrow bus subset must be correctly terminated
    at both ends. For external drive enclosures plug a terminator into the
    second bus connector (and disable potential internal termination of
    the DDS drive).

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