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  • Re: VMWare ESXi emulator

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Brian Schenkenberger on Wed Feb 5 19:13:02 2025
    On 2/5/2025 6:53 PM, Brian Schenkenberger wrote:
    WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?

    Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
    Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
    have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

    ESXi - I think you call an (un)friendly sales person.

    free WorkStation Pro - the link is very well hidden

    https://community.broadcom.com/vmware-cloud-foundation/question/download-vmware-workstation-176

    has a link - I have no idea if it is still valid.

    It is also available from various non-Broadcom web sites - whether they
    are legit or malware I don't know.

    Arne

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  • From Brian Schenkenberger@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 5 18:53:06 2025
    WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?

    Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
    Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
    have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

    - VAXman

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  • From Chris Townley@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 6 00:51:52 2025
    On 06/02/2025 00:43, MG wrote:
    Op 6-feb-2025 om 00:53 schreef Brian Schenkenberger:
    WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?

    Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
    Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
    have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

    - VAXman

    Before the Broadcom acquisition the VMware website wasn't great
    either, in my experience, but at least I could find some things
    (also the case for the Spring developer certification courses)...

    On that note, it would be good if eventually VSI also provides
    support for other (Linux) virtualization hypervisors/solutions
    (like e.g. KVM).

    KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

    --
    Chris

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  • From MG@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 6 01:43:28 2025
    Op 6-feb-2025 om 00:53 schreef Brian Schenkenberger:
    WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?

    Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
    Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
    have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

    - VAXman

    Before the Broadcom acquisition the VMware website wasn't great
    either, in my experience, but at least I could find some things
    (also the case for the Spring developer certification courses)...

    On that note, it would be good if eventually VSI also provides
    support for other (Linux) virtualization hypervisors/solutions
    (like e.g. KVM).

    - MG

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  • From Brian Schenkenberger@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 5 19:54:32 2025
    On 2025-02-06 00:43:28 +0000, MG said:

    Op 6-feb-2025 om 00:53 schreef Brian Schenkenberger:
    WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?

    Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
    Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
    have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

    - VAXman

    Before the Broadcom acquisition the VMware website wasn't great
    either, in my experience, but at least I could find some things
    (also the case for the Spring developer certification courses)...

    On that note, it would be good if eventually VSI also provides
    support for other (Linux) virtualization hypervisors/solutions
    (like e.g. KVM).

    - MG

    The WMware ESXi won't run under Linux? I'm not running VMS on WEENDOZE.
    I'm not running WEENDOZE ever!

    I just purchased an X86 Linux laptop and now I can't use it? VSI really
    needs to document this evurtual emulation stuff better. I'm used to
    firing up VMS on real hardware.

    Grrr...

    — VAXman

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Brian Schenkenberger on Wed Feb 5 20:04:27 2025
    On 2/5/2025 7:54 PM, Brian Schenkenberger wrote:
    The WMware ESXi won't run under Linux? I'm not running VMS on WEENDOZE.
    I'm not running WEENDOZE ever!

    I just purchased an X86 Linux laptop and now I can't use it? VSI really
    needs to document this evurtual emulation stuff better. I'm used to
    firing up VMS on real hardware.

    ESXi run on the metal. You can run your Linux and VMS on ESXi.

    OR you can install Workstation Pro on Linux and run VMS on
    Workstation Pro.

    It sounds very much like it is Workstation Pro you want
    and not ESXi.

    Arne

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  • From Robert A. Brooks@21:1/5 to Chris Townley on Wed Feb 5 21:07:14 2025
    On 2/5/2025 7:51 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 06/02/2025 00:43, MG wrote:

    KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

    It's a bit of a stretch to say that VirtualBox is supported.

    We will not break stuff for running on VirtualBox, but it does not get exhaustively tested the way ESXi and KVM do.

    --

    --- Rob

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  • From MG@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 6 02:17:16 2025
    Op 6-feb-2025 om 01:51 schreef Chris Townley:
    KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

    Good, I didn't realize that.

    - MG

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Robert A. Brooks on Wed Feb 5 22:25:34 2025
    On 2/5/2025 9:07 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    On 2/5/2025 7:51 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

    It's a bit of a stretch to say that VirtualBox is supported.

    We will not break stuff for running on VirtualBox, but it does not get exhaustively tested the way ESXi and KVM do.

    The message from a few weeks ago was that several VSI developers
    were using VirtualBox.

    That does not make it a supported config, but it makes it
    likely that any VirtualBox problems will be found and fixed
    before the formal test of ESXi and KVM even start.

    :-)

    Arne

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  • From Robert A. Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 5 22:55:08 2025
    On 2/5/2025 10:25 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 2/5/2025 9:07 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    On 2/5/2025 7:51 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

    It's a bit of a stretch to say that VirtualBox is supported.

    We will not break stuff for running on VirtualBox, but it does not get
    exhaustively tested the way ESXi and KVM do.

    The message from a few weeks ago was that several VSI developers
    were using VirtualBox.

    That does not make it a supported config, but it makes it
    likely that any VirtualBox problems will be found and fixed
    before the formal test of ESXi and KVM even start.

    While some developers do use VirtualBox, I'm pretty sure that
    as many developers use KVM/ESXi as use VirtualBox, and pretty much all the testers use either KVM or ESXi.

    There is no fibre channel passthrough for VirtualBox, and that is a major
    focus of our storage work now.

    Specifically, we're working on Proliant Gen 11 systems with the HPE SN1610Q 32Gb
    adapter. We're a bit ahead on our ESXi work compared to KVM, and have been able
    to configure and mount devices on an ESXi VM, and the adapter has negotiated with the fibre switch to communicate at 32Gb/sec, as shown by

    $ SHOW DEVICE /FULL.

    The older HPE SN1600Q 32Gb adapter is not supported on Gen 11 systems, nor are any of the 16Gb adapters.

    If all goes well, this support will be in the V9.2-3 Update 2 kit (not the Update 1 kit that will be out in a bit more than a month).

    --

    --- Rob

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  • From Dan Cross@21:1/5 to Robert A. Brooks on Thu Feb 6 03:20:20 2025
    In article <vo15gi$2bipl$2@dont-email.me>,
    Robert A. Brooks <FIRST.LAST@vmssoftware.com> wrote:
    On 2/5/2025 7:51 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 06/02/2025 00:43, MG wrote:

    KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

    It's a bit of a stretch to say that VirtualBox is supported.

    We will not break stuff for running on VirtualBox, but it does not get >exhaustively tested the way ESXi and KVM do.

    Has anyone tried Bhyve?

    - Dan C.

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  • From Brian Schenkenberger@21:1/5 to Chris Townley on Thu Feb 6 14:35:47 2025
    On 2025-02-06 00:51:52 +0000, Chris Townley said:

    On 06/02/2025 00:43, MG wrote:
    Op 6-feb-2025 om 00:53 schreef Brian Schenkenberger:
    WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?

    Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
    Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
    have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

    - VAXman

    Before the Broadcom acquisition the VMware website wasn't great
    either, in my experience, but at least I could find some things
    (also the case for the Spring developer certification courses)...

    On that note, it would be good if eventually VSI also provides
    support for other (Linux) virtualization hypervisors/solutions
    (like e.g. KVM).

    KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

    Installed Virtualbox.

    In the "Virtual machine Name and Operating System" window I entered:

    Name: OpenVMS
    Folder: /home/vaxman/Virtualbox VMs
    ISO Image: /home/vaxman/OpenVMS/X860923OE.ISO
    Type: Other
    Version: Other/Unknown

    I get:

    OS type cannnot be determined from the selected ISO, the guest OS will
    need to be installed manually.


    Now, if only I could find manual installation instructions... :(

    — VAXman

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Brian Schenkenberger on Thu Feb 6 14:50:56 2025
    On 2/6/2025 2:35 PM, Brian Schenkenberger wrote:
    On 2025-02-06 00:51:52 +0000, Chris Townley said:
    On 06/02/2025 00:43, MG wrote:
    Op 6-feb-2025 om 00:53 schreef Brian Schenkenberger:
    WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?

    Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
    Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
    have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

    Before the Broadcom acquisition the VMware website wasn't great
    either, in my experience, but at least I could find some things
    (also the case for the Spring developer certification courses)...

    On that note, it would be good if eventually VSI also provides
    support for other (Linux) virtualization hypervisors/solutions
    (like e.g. KVM).

    KVM is supported, as is Virtualbox

    Installed Virtualbox.

    In the "Virtual machine Name and Operating System" window I entered:

    Name: OpenVMS
    Folder: /home/vaxman/Virtualbox VMs
    ISO Image: /home/vaxman/OpenVMS/X860923OE.ISO
    Type: Other
    Version: Other/Unknown

    I get:

    OS type cannnot be determined from the selected ISO, the guest OS will
    need to be installed manually.

    Now, if only I could find manual installation instructions... :(

    Have you read VSI OpenVMS x86-64 V9.2-3 Installation Guide
    section 2.3?

    Have you found:
    https://raymii.org/s/blog/OpenVMS_9.2_for_x86_Getting_Started.html
    ?

    Arne

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  • From Subcommandante XDelta@21:1/5 to mail@SendSpamHere.ORG on Fri Feb 7 12:43:46 2025
    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:53:06 -0500, Brian Schenkenberger
    <mail@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:

    WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?

    Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
    Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
    have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

    - VAXman

    Check the proceedings and transactions of the comp.os.vms collegiate,
    from the beginning of December.

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  • From Brian Schenkenberger@21:1/5 to Subcommandante XDelta on Fri Feb 7 09:48:03 2025
    On 2025-02-07 01:43:46 +0000, Subcommandante XDelta said:

    On Wed, 5 Feb 2025 18:53:06 -0500, Brian Schenkenberger <mail@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:

    WHERE IN THE WORLD DO I GET THIS STUFF?

    Google leads me around and around. I've created VMSware accounts,
    Broadcom accounts, gawd only knows where account, etc. I still don't
    have this software to download and run this VMS X86.

    - VAXman

    Check the proceedings and transactions of the comp.os.vms collegiate,
    from the beginning of December.

    Well, ever since aioe.org went south, I've been forced to use Unison on
    my Mac for news. The damn Unison thing pukes up a hairball nearly every
    time I touch the keyboard which is why I've been so absent here. I so
    miss using newsrdr on VMS.

    Anyway, after much anquish, I do dinally have VMS running on an HP
    17-cn0021nr (???) laptop with Intel Quad-Core i5-10210U (???), 32GB
    memory, 1TB storage and, the best of all, NO WEENDOZE!!! It arrived
    with Linux Mint installed. I'm not a fan of the Mint UI but since this
    will basically be a VMS "server" I don't care.

    I finally got VMS to boot with the Virtualbox emulator late evening
    yesterday. After little more finagling earlier this morning and I was
    able to ssh into it from my Mac! I'd perfer to be able to use the Mac
    as its iTerm does a fairly faithful emulation of a VT terminal and I
    can use the extended keyboard too to give me a functional alternate
    keypad. Now, all I need to do is get this thing working in a cluster environment so that I can share my source code drives and get RMS-CDC
    ported and maybe a few more things too!!!

    — VAXman

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Brian Schenkenberger on Fri Feb 7 22:01:05 2025
    On Fri, 7 Feb 2025 09:48:03 -0500, Brian Schenkenberger wrote:

    I'm not a fan of the Mint UI ...

    Which one? You realize you have a choice of more than one?

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