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  • Re: AI? Really?

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to bill on Sat Jan 18 10:44:10 2025
    On 1/18/2025 10:33 AM, bill wrote:
      Not really related to VMS but considering all the rage over AI I
    thought people here might get a chuckle out of this.

      I am sure  most people here know me and my long standing interest
    in the Software Tools Virtual Operating System which was, basically,
    POSIX before anyone even thought of the concept.

    Among my other "legacy" systems I also have and still fool around
    with a bunch of TRS-80's.  Believe it or  not, the Z80 based TRS-80's
    were among the systems for which a version of STVOS was available.
    Thought I would look to see if any of it was still floating around.

    Asked Google

    "TRS-80  Software Tools Virtual Operating System"

    Got this result at the top of my response generated by whatever AI
    engine they use.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    A "TRS-80 Software Tools Virtual Operating System" refers to a software program that allows a modern computer to emulate a vintage TRS-80
    computer, essentially creating a virtual environment where you can run
    old TRS-80 software, including operating systems like TRSDOS, by
    simulating the hardware and functionality of the original machine,
    letting you access and use programs designed for the TRS-80 on your
    current computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

    That is the biggest pile of steaming poo I have ever seen come out of
    any of the various AI engines I have run into.  Not one piece of it is accurate other than the mention of TRSDOS.

    There is not much intelligence in LLM's. They predict words based
    on previous words after being trained on all available text on the
    internet. That works surprisingly well for stuff where there are
    lot of relevant text on the internet. It does not work well for
    more rare stuff. Sometime they come up with stuff that is not
    there - known as "hallucinations".

    A little bit more VMS related.

    https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.vms/c/PlGnYxJmYBo/m/JPrZCAAbAgAJ

    linking to:

    https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7009460498299539456/

    (2 years old so it may work better today)

    Arne

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  • From Simon Clubley@21:1/5 to bill on Mon Jan 20 13:33:48 2025
    On 2025-01-18, bill <bill.gunshannon@gmail.com> wrote:

    Asked Google

    "TRS-80 Software Tools Virtual Operating System"

    Got this result at the top of my response generated by whatever AI
    engine they use.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
    A "TRS-80 Software Tools Virtual Operating System" refers to a software program that allows a modern computer to emulate a vintage TRS-80
    computer, essentially creating a virtual environment where you can run
    old TRS-80 software, including operating systems like TRSDOS, by
    simulating the hardware and functionality of the original machine,
    letting you access and use programs designed for the TRS-80 on your
    current computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Annoying crap like this is why I have now stopped using Google now they
    require Javascript to be enabled for searching.

    That is the biggest pile of steaming poo I have ever seen come out of
    any of the various AI engines I have run into. Not one piece of it is accurate other than the mention of TRSDOS.


    Ask Perplexity AI to show you the fine-structure constant to 30 decimal
    places and it will _still_ do exactly that. :-( In fairness, some AIs
    do give you the right answer (including the current uncertainty range)
    but the way some of them like Perplexity give you utter nonsense with
    such confidence is alarming.

    Simon.

    --
    Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
    Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

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