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  • Anything of interest from the Bootcamp ?

    From Simon Clubley@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 12:05:36 2024
    Has anything of special interest been revealed at the Bootcamp ?

    Thanks,

    Simon.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Robert A. Brooks on Fri Oct 25 14:39:32 2024
    On 10/25/2024 2:29 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    On 10/25/2024 8:05 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
    Has anything of special interest been revealed at the Bootcamp ?

    There will be a boot camp in Malmo, Sweden next May, and another boot
    camp next year in the US around this same time next year.

    Curious.

    Why the "wrong" side of Øresund?

    Because there are still VMS users in Sweden and not in Denmark?

    (no practical impact - from Copenhagen to Malmö is just 38 minutes
    by train - and it is just 23 minutes from the airport to Malmö
    compared to the 15 minutes to Copenhagen)

    Arne

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  • From Robert A. Brooks@21:1/5 to Simon Clubley on Fri Oct 25 14:29:09 2024
    On 10/25/2024 8:05 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
    Has anything of special interest been revealed at the Bootcamp ?

    There will be a boot camp in Malmo, Sweden next May, and another boot camp next year in the US around this same time next year.

    --
    -- Rob

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Robert A. Brooks on Fri Oct 25 22:06:17 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:29:09 -0400, Robert A. Brooks wrote:

    There will be a boot camp in Malmo ...

    Isn’t that Malmö?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Chris Townley on Fri Oct 25 19:03:11 2024
    On 10/25/2024 6:37 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 25/10/2024 23:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:29:09 -0400, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    There will be a boot camp in Malmo ...

    Isn’t that Malmö?

    What the F*k is that about?

    He is referring to the fact that the city's name in
    all languages except Danish is Malmö (in Danish it is
    Malmø).

    ö = \u00F6
    ø = \u00F8

    I suspect that Robert neither know these letters nor has a keyboard
    setup to enter them.

    So he just used Malmo.

    The official translation to English alphabet of both ö and ø is oe,
    but few outside Scandinavia knows that - heck even many in Scandinavia
    doesn't know that.

    And it gets really funny when a 8 to 7 bit conversion strip the
    high bit so ö -> v and ø -> x.

    Arne

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  • From Chris Townley@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Oct 25 23:37:45 2024
    On 25/10/2024 23:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:29:09 -0400, Robert A. Brooks wrote:

    There will be a boot camp in Malmo ...

    Isn’t that Malmö?

    What the F*k is that about?

    Bloody trolls...

    --
    Chris

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  • From Chris Townley@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 00:35:02 2024
    On 26/10/2024 00:03, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 10/25/2024 6:37 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 25/10/2024 23:06, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 14:29:09 -0400, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    There will be a boot camp in Malmo ...

    Isn’t that Malmö?

    What the F*k is that about?

    He is referring to the fact that the city's name in
    all languages except Danish is Malmö (in Danish it is
    Malmø).

    ö = \u00F6
    ø = \u00F8

    I suspect that Robert neither know these letters nor has a keyboard
    setup to enter them.

    So he just used Malmo.

    The official translation to English alphabet of both ö and ø is oe,
    but few outside Scandinavia knows that - heck even many in Scandinavia doesn't know that.

    And it gets really funny when a 8 to 7 bit conversion strip the
    high bit so ö -> v and ø -> x.

    Arne


    I was aware of some of that, but it is typical troll behaviour - nitpicking.

    Most of us are getting fed up with him (as are many usenet groups) but
    you just play to him. Don't feed him!

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    Chris

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Fri Oct 25 23:47:43 2024
    On 10/25/2024 11:27 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 19:03:11 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    I suspect that Robert neither know these letters nor has a keyboard
    setup to enter them.

    Ironic, isn’t it, that DEC has long had a presence in Western Europe. And it had its “DEC Multinational Character Set” in the days before Unicode.

    But it seems that’s all gone now, and even long-time DEC fans have lost
    the ability to deal with that.

    Nobody has lost anything. Same situation as back then.
    Just software instead of hardware. And therefore
    easier.

    With a VT220 you needed a swedish/danish keyboard instead
    of the US keyboard.

    With a Windows PC you need swedish/danish keyboard
    installed instead of US keyboard installed. Well - one
    can have multiple keyboards installed which makes it
    a little easier to switch. And there is the Character
    Map thingy exposing everything.

    Arne

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 03:27:21 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 19:03:11 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    I suspect that Robert neither know these letters nor has a keyboard
    setup to enter them.

    Ironic, isn’t it, that DEC has long had a presence in Western Europe. And
    it had its “DEC Multinational Character Set” in the days before Unicode.

    But it seems that’s all gone now, and even long-time DEC fans have lost
    the ability to deal with that.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 25 23:56:53 2024
    On 10/25/2024 11:47 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    With a VT220 you needed a swedish/danish keyboard instead
    of the US keyboard.

    With VT420 I believe there was a compose key that
    allowed entering numeric code.

    Arne

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 05:36:33 2024
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 23:47:43 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    On 10/25/2024 11:27 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

    With a VT220 you needed a swedish/danish keyboard instead of the US
    keyboard.

    With a Windows PC you need swedish/danish keyboard installed instead of
    US keyboard installed.

    X11 introduced ðe Compose key decades ago. I þink DEC had keyboards wiþ an “Alt Gr” key, didn’t ðey?

    Note ðat I can type characters like “øöéûçñı” wiþout þe need for anyþing
    more ðan ðe standard US keyboard we use in NZ.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 00:01:07 2024
    On Sun, 27 Oct 2024 19:41:23 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    But I do not remember (or never knew) if 'ø' was compose 'o' '/' or
    compose 'f' '8'.

    Either compose-o-/ or compose-/-o.

    The standard sequences come from
    /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose, but you can define your own.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Lawrence D'Oliveiro on Sun Oct 27 19:41:23 2024
    On 10/26/2024 1:36 AM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Oct 2024 23:47:43 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 10/25/2024 11:27 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
    With a VT220 you needed a swedish/danish keyboard instead of the US
    keyboard.

    With a Windows PC you need swedish/danish keyboard installed instead of
    US keyboard installed.

    X11 introduced ðe Compose key decades ago. I þink DEC had keyboards wiþ an “Alt Gr” key, didn’t ðey?

    As I remember it then it was VT400 that added compose key (alt gr is
    a PC thing).

    But I do not remember (or never knew) if 'ø' was compose 'o' '/' or
    compose 'f' '8'.

    Note ðat I can type characters like “øöéûçñı” wiþout þe need for anyþing
    more ðan ðe standard US keyboard we use in NZ.

    Software allows for a lot. But people need to know how to use it
    or end up with garbage.

    Arne

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Chris Townley on Sun Oct 27 20:42:41 2024
    On 10/27/2024 8:27 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 27/10/2024 23:41, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    As I remember it then it was VT400 that added compose key (alt gr is
    a PC thing).

    But I do not remember (or never knew) if 'ø' was compose 'o' '/' or
    compose 'f' '8'.

    ISTR the compose key was there from VT200 onwards. Very useful if you
    could remember the code - or look it up!

    My memory must be failing me then. I thought it was with VT420.

    But it is a long time since I worked on a VT320.

    Arne

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  • From Chris Townley@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 28 00:27:22 2024
    On 27/10/2024 23:41, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    As I remember it then it was VT400 that added compose key (alt gr is
    a PC thing).

    But I do not remember (or never knew) if 'ø' was compose 'o' '/' or
    compose 'f' '8'.

    Note ðat I can type characters like “øöéûçñı” wiþout þe need for anyþing
    more ðan ðe standard US keyboard we use in NZ.

    Software allows for a lot. But people need to know how to use it
    or end up with garbage.

    Arne


    ISTR the compose key was there from VT200 onwards. Very useful if you
    could remember the code - or look it up!

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    Chris

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Robert A. Brooks on Mon Nov 11 20:59:17 2024
    On 10/25/2024 2:29 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    On 10/25/2024 8:05 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
    Has anything of special interest been revealed at the Bootcamp ?

    There will be a boot camp in Malmo, Sweden next May, and another boot
    camp next year in the US around this same time next year.

    The dates are now public:

    https://events.vmssoftware.com/postbootcamp-2024

    scrolling down it says:

    <quote>
    We’re excited to announce the next OpenVMS Bootcamp! Mark your calendars
    for May 13-15, 2025, in Malmö, Sweden.
    </quote>

    Arne

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