Can anyone confirm if the VAX or Alpha NET-APP-SUP-250 licensing VAX- or VMSCluster support is for the full cluster support, or the client one
that does not let the system it is on provide a vote towards quorum?

The info I've found so far is generic and doesn't state it clearly
(shows the same working for cluster support for -250, -300, and -400).

Looking at waking up a long dormant box (assuming it works) to act as a vote-only node in a 3 node LAVC that is likely to lose its old an cranky
shared storage.

Thanks

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Am 09.08.2024 um 22:47 schrieb Richard Jordan:

Can anyone confirm if the VAX or Alpha NET-APP-SUP-250 licensing VAX- or VMSCluster support is for the full cluster support, or the client one
that does not let the system it is on provide a vote towards quorum?

Richard,

you can easily answer this question by looking at SYS$UPDATE:VMSINSTAL_LMFGROUPS.COM

The NET-APP-SUP-250 license includes VMSCLUSTER.

Only the NET-APP-SUP-150 license includes VMSCLUSTER-CLIENT

Volker.

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On 2024-08-09 20:47:51 +0000, Richard Jordan said:

Can anyone confirm if the VAX or Alpha NET-APP-SUP-250 licensing VAX-
or VMSCluster support is for the full cluster support, or the client
one that does not let the system it is on provide a vote towards quorum?

The info I've found so far is generic and doesn't state it clearly
(shows the same working for cluster support for -250, -300, and -400).

Looking at waking up a long dormant box (assuming it works) to act as a vote-only node in a 3 node LAVC that is likely to lose its old an
cranky shared storage.

NAS client 150 was cluster client, while NAS client 250 was full clustering.

Here are old VAX-era docs:

http://odl.sysworks.biz/disk$axpdocjun043/database/nas83b/nasinstall/nas_vax_over1.html


Here are "recent" Compaq / HP-era SPDs for NAS Client 250 on OpenVMS Alpha:

https://www.zx.net.nz/mirror/h30266.www3.hpe.com/MasterIndex/spd/spd_00581ab0.txt

https://www.zx.net.nz/mirror/h30266.www3.hpe.com/masterindex/spd/spd_00e417cc.txt


For comparision, here's a NAS Client 150 SPD:

https://www.zx.net.nz/mirror/h30266.www3.hpe.com/MasterIndex/spd/spd_0135a5ec.txt


Coincidentally (or entirely unsurprisingly?), you were in a thread
about this NAS mess some twenty years ago, too:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.vms/c/39GoF1ao-gs/m/1R03B9UR_yUJ

The LMF group table stuff was the easiest way to see what included
what, though the contents of the SPDs officially overrode the group
table.

Off the top, I don't remember the full filename LMF$*something-or-other
for the LMF group data, but it should be easy enough to find.




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On 8/12/24 4:45 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:

On 2024-08-09 20:47:51 +0000, Richard Jordan said:

Can anyone confirm if the VAX or Alpha NET-APP-SUP-250 licensing VAX-
or VMSCluster support is for the full cluster support, or the client
one that does not let the system it is on provide a vote towards quorum?

The info I've found so far is generic and doesn't state it clearly
(shows the same working for cluster support for -250, -300, and -400).

Looking at waking up a long dormant box (assuming it works) to act as
a vote-only node in a 3 node LAVC that is likely to lose its old an
cranky   shared storage.

NAS client 150 was cluster client, while NAS client 250 was full
clustering.

Here are old VAX-era docs:

http://odl.sysworks.biz/disk$axpdocjun043/database/nas83b/nasinstall/nas_vax_over1.html

Here are "recent" Compaq / HP-era SPDs for NAS Client 250 on OpenVMS Alpha:

https://www.zx.net.nz/mirror/h30266.www3.hpe.com/MasterIndex/spd/spd_00581ab0.txt
https://www.zx.net.nz/mirror/h30266.www3.hpe.com/masterindex/spd/spd_00e417cc.txt

For comparision, here's a NAS Client 150 SPD:

https://www.zx.net.nz/mirror/h30266.www3.hpe.com/MasterIndex/spd/spd_0135a5ec.txt

Coincidentally (or entirely unsurprisingly?), you were in a thread about
this NAS mess some twenty years ago, too:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.vms/c/39GoF1ao-gs/m/1R03B9UR_yUJ

The LMF group table stuff was the easiest way to see what included what, though the contents of the SPDs officially overrode the group table.

Off the top, I don't remember the full filename LMF$*something-or-other
for the LMF group data, but it should be easy enough to find.

I had found the reference to the LMF file and looked it up on the
customer's current production system (which doesn't have any NAS license installed; it has discrete DECnet and UCX licenses). The -250 license
entries in that file didn't even include any cluster entries. The
actual machine it originally came with is offline on a shelf so I can't
check that for now.

Thanks for replying, and for the answer!

Rich

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On 8/12/24 4:45 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:

On 2024-08-09 20:47:51 +0000, Richard Jordan said:

Can anyone confirm if the VAX or Alpha NET-APP-SUP-250 licensing VAX-
or VMSCluster support is for the full cluster support, or the client
one that does not let the system it is on provide a vote towards quorum?

The info I've found so far is generic and doesn't state it clearly
(shows the same working for cluster support for -250, -300, and -400).

Looking at waking up a long dormant box (assuming it works) to act as
a vote-only node in a 3 node LAVC that is likely to lose its old an
cranky   shared storage.

NAS client 150 was cluster client, while NAS client 250 was full
clustering.

Here are old VAX-era docs:

http://odl.sysworks.biz/disk$axpdocjun043/database/nas83b/nasinstall/nas_vax_over1.html

Here are "recent" Compaq / HP-era SPDs for NAS Client 250 on OpenVMS Alpha:

https://www.zx.net.nz/mirror/h30266.www3.hpe.com/MasterIndex/spd/spd_00581ab0.txt
https://www.zx.net.nz/mirror/h30266.www3.hpe.com/masterindex/spd/spd_00e417cc.txt

For comparision, here's a NAS Client 150 SPD:

https://www.zx.net.nz/mirror/h30266.www3.hpe.com/MasterIndex/spd/spd_0135a5ec.txt

Coincidentally (or entirely unsurprisingly?), you were in a thread about
this NAS mess some twenty years ago, too:

https://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.vms/c/39GoF1ao-gs/m/1R03B9UR_yUJ

The LMF group table stuff was the easiest way to see what included what, though the contents of the SPDs officially overrode the group table.

Off the top, I don't remember the full filename LMF$*something-or-other
for the LMF group data, but it should be easy enough to find.

I had found that reference and looked it up on the customer's current production system (which doesn't have any NAS license installed; it has discrete DECnet and UCX licenses). The -250 license entries in that
file didn't even include any cluster entries. The actual machine it
originally came with is offline on a shelf so I can't check that for now.

Thanks for replying, and for the answer!

Rich

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