No mention of Hobbyists or the Ambassador program.
https://youtu.be/JDzZ91MzZfo?si=5u91rrBPAt2YgQEd
Simon's gonna love the timeline on this.
Camiel is firmly in charge of the OpenVMS direction.
VMSClusters in the cloud in 2026
No mention of Hobbyists or the Ambassador program.
Norm Lastovica of SCI (Software Concepts International) talks about migration to x86
John H. Reinhardt explained on 14/06/2024 :
https://youtu.be/JDzZ91MzZfo?si=5u91rrBPAt2YgQEd
Simon's gonna love the timeline on this.
Camiel is firmly in charge of the OpenVMS direction.
VMSClusters in the cloud in 2026
No mention of Hobbyists or the Ambassador program.
Norm Lastovica of SCI (Software Concepts International) talks about
migration to x86
It seems that, from this presentation, VSI purchased Polycenter products
back from Broadcom. They only mentioned Watchdog but I think the 3 other products are in the deal too. What they want to do with that is still
totally unknown. Port of Watchdog to X86 most unlikely as it is all
written in ADA...
On 16/06/2024 11:37, Marc Van Dyck wrote:
John H. Reinhardt explained on 14/06/2024 :
https://youtu.be/JDzZ91MzZfo?si=5u91rrBPAt2YgQEd
Simon's gonna love the timeline on this.
Camiel is firmly in charge of the OpenVMS direction.
VMSClusters in the cloud in 2026
No mention of Hobbyists or the Ambassador program.
Norm Lastovica of SCI (Software Concepts International) talks about
migration to x86
It seems that, from this presentation, VSI purchased Polycenter products
back from Broadcom. They only mentioned Watchdog but I think the 3 other
products are in the deal too. What they want to do with that is still
totally unknown. Port of Watchdog to X86 most unlikely as it is all
written in ADA...
What is the state of Gnat on VMS?
On 6/16/2024 6:44 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
On 16/06/2024 11:37, Marc Van Dyck wrote:
John H. Reinhardt explained on 14/06/2024 :
https://youtu.be/JDzZ91MzZfo?si=5u91rrBPAt2YgQEd
Simon's gonna love the timeline on this.
Camiel is firmly in charge of the OpenVMS direction.
VMSClusters in the cloud in 2026
No mention of Hobbyists or the Ambassador program.
Norm Lastovica of SCI (Software Concepts International) talks about
migration to x86
It seems that, from this presentation, VSI purchased Polycenter products >>> back from Broadcom. They only mentioned Watchdog but I think the 3 other >>> products are in the deal too. What they want to do with that is still
totally unknown. Port of Watchdog to X86 most unlikely as it is all
written in ADA...
What is the state of Gnat on VMS?
ACT dropped VMS support in 2015.
For what is available then to my understanding:
Alpha : very old 3.12.8 (based on GCC 2.8.1)
Itanium : see https://github.com/AdaLabs/gnat-vms
x86-86 : nothing
On 6/16/2024 8:27 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
On 6/16/2024 6:44 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
On 16/06/2024 11:37, Marc Van Dyck wrote:
John H. Reinhardt explained on 14/06/2024 :
https://youtu.be/JDzZ91MzZfo?si=5u91rrBPAt2YgQEd
Simon's gonna love the timeline on this.
Camiel is firmly in charge of the OpenVMS direction.
VMSClusters in the cloud in 2026
No mention of Hobbyists or the Ambassador program.
Norm Lastovica of SCI (Software Concepts International) talks about
migration to x86
It seems that, from this presentation, VSI purchased Polycenter
products
back from Broadcom. They only mentioned Watchdog but I think the 3
other
products are in the deal too. What they want to do with that is still
totally unknown. Port of Watchdog to X86 most unlikely as it is all
written in ADA...
What is the state of Gnat on VMS?
ACT dropped VMS support in 2015.
For what is available then to my understanding:
Alpha : very old 3.12.8 (based on GCC 2.8.1)
That should be available from many places.
But if you can't find it then I have a copy.
Itanium : see https://github.com/AdaLabs/gnat-vms
x86-86 : nothing
Arne
On 16/06/2024 13:43, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
On 6/16/2024 8:27 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:Thanks. I had DEC Ada on VMS 7.3 on AXP
On 6/16/2024 6:44 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
On 16/06/2024 11:37, Marc Van Dyck wrote:
John H. Reinhardt explained on 14/06/2024 :
https://youtu.be/JDzZ91MzZfo?si=5u91rrBPAt2YgQEd
Simon's gonna love the timeline on this.
Camiel is firmly in charge of the OpenVMS direction.
VMSClusters in the cloud in 2026
No mention of Hobbyists or the Ambassador program.
Norm Lastovica of SCI (Software Concepts International) talks
about migration to x86
It seems that, from this presentation, VSI purchased Polycenter
products
back from Broadcom. They only mentioned Watchdog but I think the 3
other
products are in the deal too. What they want to do with that is still >>>>> totally unknown. Port of Watchdog to X86 most unlikely as it is all
written in ADA...
What is the state of Gnat on VMS?
ACT dropped VMS support in 2015.
For what is available then to my understanding:
Alpha : very old 3.12.8 (based on GCC 2.8.1)
That should be available from many places.
But if you can't find it then I have a copy.
Itanium : see https://github.com/AdaLabs/gnat-vms
x86-86 : nothing
Arne
I just wondered how difficult it would be to port Gnat to VMS. The Ada community seem to have lots of offerings - why not VMS X86?
Thanks. I had DEC Ada on VMS 7.3 on AXP
I just wondered how difficult it would be to port Gnat to VMS. The
Ada community seem to have lots of offerings - why not VMS X86?
I just wondered how difficult it would be to port Gnat to VMS. The Ada community seem to have lots of offerings - why not VMS X86?
On 6/16/2024 9:02 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
I just wondered how difficult it would be to port Gnat to VMS. The
Ada community seem to have lots of offerings - why not VMS X86?
Given that:
* Gnat is a big piece of software
* It is many versions back since it supported VMS
* Besides Gnat itself there may also be missing supporting software
then it is definitely non-trivial.
I suspect that the french that did the VMS Itanium port will
be better to quantify the work. 500 hours? 5000 hours? Or?
With the bad tradition in the VMS world the last 25 years
of being very interested in getting free stuff but not being
interested in contributing, then I don't see it happen.
On Sun, 2024-06-16 at 13:44 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
On 6/16/2024 9:02 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
I just wondered how difficult it would be to port Gnat to VMS. The
Ada community seem to have lots of offerings - why not VMS X86?
Given that:
* Gnat is a big piece of software
* It is many versions back since it supported VMS
* Besides Gnat itself there may also be missing supporting software
then it is definitely non-trivial.
I suspect that the french that did the VMS Itanium port will
be better to quantify the work. 500 hours? 5000 hours? Or?
With the bad tradition in the VMS world the last 25 years
of being very interested in getting free stuff but not being
interested in contributing, then I don't see it happen.
LLVM has never supported VMS so unless VSI contributes open source
patches back to the LLVM folks for their compiliers, it ain't
happening.
GNU C/C++ might be easier to port, and entirely possible to cross
compile ADA for VMS via amd64.
On 6/16/24 3:56 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
On Sun, 2024-06-16 at 13:44 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
On 6/16/2024 9:02 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
I just wondered how difficult it would be to port Gnat to VMS. The
Ada community seem to have lots of offerings - why not VMS X86?
Given that:
* Gnat is a big piece of software
* It is many versions back since it supported VMS
* Besides Gnat itself there may also be missing supporting software
then it is definitely non-trivial.
I suspect that the french that did the VMS Itanium port will
be better to quantify the work. 500 hours? 5000 hours? Or?
With the bad tradition in the VMS world the last 25 years
of being very interested in getting free stuff but not being
interested in contributing, then I don't see it happen.
LLVM has never supported VMS so unless VSI contributes open source
patches back to the LLVM folks for their compiliers, it ain't
happening.
All of the existing OpenVMS x86 native compilers are based on LLVM. VSI folks have expressed an intention to send a couple of new features that
they needed back upstream, and also to bring their own port current with
more recent LLVM releases. They may well have to do the latter before
they can do the former. But obviously their priority for the foreseeable future will be stable and reliable releases of their own compilers that
will enable existing customers to move to x86.
GNU C/C++ might be easier to port, and entirely possible to cross
compile ADA for VMS via amd64.
Easier than what? Easier than LLVM, which has already been ported?
There have been ports of GCC for VMS, but not targeting x86 that I'm
aware of.
On Sun, 16 Jun 2024 13:44:21 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
With the bad tradition in the VMS world the last 25 years of being very
interested in getting free stuff but not being interested in
contributing ...
That’s true everywhere. The GPL helps discourage that.
Port of Watchdog to X86 most unlikely as it is all
written in ADA...
With the bad tradition in the VMS world the last 25 years of being very interested in getting free stuff but not being interested in
contributing ...
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