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    From Single Stage to Orbit@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 4 21:59:37 2024
    Just noticed this when I used SSH to login:

    $ ssh alex@kakapo

    Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) x86_64 Operating System, Version V9.2-2

    Last interactive login on Thursday, 4-APR-2024 21:57:38.46
    Last non-interactive login on Wednesday, 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00

    1858???? :-D
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  • From Single Stage to Orbit@21:1/5 to bill on Thu Apr 4 23:12:30 2024
    On Thu, 2024-04-04 at 17:18 -0400, bill wrote:
    On 4/4/2024 4:59 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
    Just noticed this when I used SSH to login:

    $ ssh alex@kakapo

      Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) x86_64 Operating System, Version V9.2-2

         Last interactive login on Thursday,  4-APR-2024 21:57:38.46      Last non-interactive login on Wednesday, 17-NOV-1858
    00:00:00.00

    1858???? :-D


    17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00

    Isn't that the start of the VMS epoch?

    It's odd because I checked and the date/time were correct. Not sure why
    that happened.
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  • From Single Stage to Orbit@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 4 23:47:45 2024
    On Thu, 2024-04-04 at 18:42 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    It's odd because I checked and the date/time were correct. Not sure
    why that happened.

    I think it is what happens if the field is zero. So if there has been
    no non-interactive logins then I guess it is sort of as expected. If
    you submit a batch job as ALEX does it change to the time of the
    batch job?

    Ah, you might be right, that could be it. Netherless, its just odd.
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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Single Stage to Orbit on Thu Apr 4 18:42:58 2024
    On 4/4/2024 6:12 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
    On Thu, 2024-04-04 at 17:18 -0400, bill wrote:
    On 4/4/2024 4:59 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
    Just noticed this when I used SSH to login:

    $ ssh alex@kakapo

      Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) x86_64 Operating System, Version V9.2-2

         Last interactive login on Thursday,  4-APR-2024 21:57:38.46
         Last non-interactive login on Wednesday, 17-NOV-1858
    00:00:00.00

    1858???? :-D


    17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00

    Isn't that the start of the VMS epoch?

    It's odd because I checked and the date/time were correct. Not sure why
    that happened.

    I think it is what happens if the field is zero. So if there has been
    no non-interactive logins then I guess it is sort of as expected. If
    you submit a batch job as ALEX does it change to the time of the batch
    job?

    Arne

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 4 19:02:02 2024
    On 4/4/2024 6:42 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 4/4/2024 6:12 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
    On Thu, 2024-04-04 at 17:18 -0400, bill wrote:
    On 4/4/2024 4:59 PM, Single Stage to Orbit wrote:
    Just noticed this when I used SSH to login:

    $ ssh alex@kakapo

       Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) x86_64 Operating System, Version V9.2-2

          Last interactive login on Thursday,  4-APR-2024 21:57:38.46 >>>>       Last non-interactive login on Wednesday, 17-NOV-1858
    00:00:00.00

    1858???? :-D


    17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00

    Isn't that the start of the VMS epoch?

    It's odd because I checked and the date/time were correct. Not sure why
    that happened.

    I think it is what happens if the field is zero. So if there has been
    no non-interactive logins then I guess it is sort of as expected. If
    you submit a batch job as ALEX does it change to the time of the batch
    job?

    $ type t.pas
    [inherit('sys$library:starlet')]
    program t(input,output);

    var
    tzero : integer64;
    tstr : varying [255] of char;

    begin
    tzero := 0;
    $asctim(tstr.length, tstr.body, tzero);
    writeln(tstr);
    end.
    $ pas t
    $ link t
    $ run t
    17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00

    Arne

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  • From Simon Clubley@21:1/5 to Single Stage to Orbit on Fri Apr 5 12:12:40 2024
    On 2024-04-04, Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:
    Just noticed this when I used SSH to login:

    $ ssh alex@kakapo

    Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) x86_64 Operating System, Version V9.2-2

    Last interactive login on Thursday, 4-APR-2024 21:57:38.46
    Last non-interactive login on Wednesday, 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00

    1858???? :-D

    That needs reporting in the forum. That last line should be suppressed
    when there is a zero date value in that VMS quad time field (which is
    what the above date/time is).

    It looks like a check for a zero (ie: missing) date/time is going wrong,
    which is something that could have implications elsewhere.

    Simon.

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  • From Craig A. Berry@21:1/5 to Simon Clubley on Fri Apr 5 08:53:25 2024
    On 4/5/24 7:12 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
    On 2024-04-04, Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:
    Just noticed this when I used SSH to login:

    $ ssh alex@kakapo

    Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) x86_64 Operating System, Version V9.2-2

    Last interactive login on Thursday, 4-APR-2024 21:57:38.46
    Last non-interactive login on Wednesday, 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00

    1858???? :-D

    That needs reporting in the forum. That last line should be suppressed
    when there is a zero date value in that VMS quad time field (which is
    what the above date/time is).

    It looks like a check for a zero (ie: missing) date/time is going wrong, which is something that could have implications elsewhere.

    If the display needs modification (debatable) it should not be
    suppressed; it should say "never" because that's what the start of epoch
    value has always meant in the UAF time fields.

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  • From Single Stage to Orbit@21:1/5 to Craig A. Berry on Fri Apr 5 16:48:58 2024
    On Fri, 2024-04-05 at 08:53 -0500, Craig A. Berry wrote:
    It looks like a check for a zero (ie: missing) date/time is going
    wrong, which is something that could have implications elsewhere.

    If the display needs modification (debatable) it should not be
    suppressed; it should say "never" because that's what the start of
    epoch value has always meant in the UAF time fields.

    Correct answer.
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  • From Simon Clubley@21:1/5 to Craig A. Berry on Fri Apr 5 17:13:39 2024
    On 2024-04-05, Craig A. Berry <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> wrote:

    On 4/5/24 7:12 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
    On 2024-04-04, Single Stage to Orbit <alex.buell@munted.eu> wrote:
    Just noticed this when I used SSH to login:

    $ ssh alex@kakapo

    Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) x86_64 Operating System, Version V9.2-2

    Last interactive login on Thursday, 4-APR-2024 21:57:38.46
    Last non-interactive login on Wednesday, 17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00

    1858???? :-D

    That needs reporting in the forum. That last line should be suppressed
    when there is a zero date value in that VMS quad time field (which is
    what the above date/time is).

    It looks like a check for a zero (ie: missing) date/time is going wrong,
    which is something that could have implications elsewhere.

    If the display needs modification (debatable) it should not be
    suppressed; it should say "never" because that's what the start of epoch value has always meant in the UAF time fields.


    When you login via another method (say LAT or CTERM), what is currently
    shown on the last non-interactive login line when the account has never
    had a non-interactive login ?

    Does the answer change depending on whether it is VAX, Alpha, IA64,
    or x86-64 ?

    The above ssh on x86-64 example needs to match the current behaviour on
    other architectures and other login protocols, IMHO.

    Simon.

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