• EISNER is moving again this week

    From Hunter Goatley@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 26 13:25:47 2024
    EISNER will be moving again soon---as in this week, if all goes well.

    In fact, the system is being replaced. VSI has hosted the physical
    system for the past few years, but Process Software will be taking over hosting, and the machine is being replaced by a vtAlpha system, thanks
    to AVT and Vere Technologies, who generously donated a license for the
    system.

    With Rob's help, we transferred the contents of all of the disks
    yesterday, and I now have virtual EISNER up and running in-house. We
    still have some networking work to do before we can switch the systems,
    and I'll need to re-transfer the user disks next week to pick up files
    created or modified since yesterday.

    Whichever day this happens, I plan to shut down access to EISNER while
    we move the data and change the DNS entries. Hopefully, access to the
    system will only be down for a few hours, whichever day that is.

    More info later this week!

    Hunter

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  • From Dan Cross@21:1/5 to goathunter@goatley.com on Mon Feb 26 21:05:38 2024
    In article <uril3c$2m8au$1@dont-email.me>,
    Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:
    EISNER will be moving again soon---as in this week, if all goes well.

    In fact, the system is being replaced. VSI has hosted the physical
    system for the past few years, but Process Software will be taking over >hosting, and the machine is being replaced by a vtAlpha system, thanks
    to AVT and Vere Technologies, who generously donated a license for the >system.

    With Rob's help, we transferred the contents of all of the disks
    yesterday, and I now have virtual EISNER up and running in-house. We
    still have some networking work to do before we can switch the systems,
    and I'll need to re-transfer the user disks next week to pick up files >created or modified since yesterday.

    Whichever day this happens, I plan to shut down access to EISNER while
    we move the data and change the DNS entries. Hopefully, access to the
    system will only be down for a few hours, whichever day that is.

    More info later this week!

    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.

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  • From Dan Cross@21:1/5 to Dan Cross on Mon Feb 26 21:06:56 2024
    In article <uriuf2$iv6$1@reader1.panix.com>,
    Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:
    In article <uril3c$2m8au$1@dont-email.me>,
    Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:
    EISNER will be moving again soon---as in this week, if all goes well.

    In fact, the system is being replaced. VSI has hosted the physical
    system for the past few years, but Process Software will be taking over >>hosting, and the machine is being replaced by a vtAlpha system, thanks
    to AVT and Vere Technologies, who generously donated a license for the >>system.

    With Rob's help, we transferred the contents of all of the disks
    yesterday, and I now have virtual EISNER up and running in-house. We
    still have some networking work to do before we can switch the systems,
    and I'll need to re-transfer the user disks next week to pick up files >>created or modified since yesterday.

    Whichever day this happens, I plan to shut down access to EISNER while
    we move the data and change the DNS entries. Hopefully, access to the >>system will only be down for a few hours, whichever day that is.

    More info later this week!

    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    - Dan C.


    (Oops. Dunno what happened here.... I assume I hit the
    wrong button. :-/)

    - Dan C.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Dan Cross on Mon Feb 26 19:08:23 2024
    On 2/26/2024 4:05 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
    In article <uril3c$2m8au$1@dont-email.me>,
    Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> wrote:
    EISNER will be moving again soon---as in this week, if all goes well.

    In fact, the system is being replaced. VSI has hosted the physical
    system for the past few years, but Process Software will be taking over
    hosting, and the machine is being replaced by a vtAlpha system, thanks
    to AVT and Vere Technologies, who generously donated a license for the
    system.

    With Rob's help, we transferred the contents of all of the disks
    yesterday, and I now have virtual EISNER up and running in-house. We
    still have some networking work to do before we can switch the systems,
    and I'll need to re-transfer the user disks next week to pick up files
    created or modified since yesterday.

    Whichever day this happens, I plan to shut down access to EISNER while
    we move the data and change the DNS entries. Hopefully, access to the
    system will only be down for a few hours, whichever day that is.

    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
    since it is Alpha).

    Notes maybe.

    Arne

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  • From Simon Clubley@21:1/5 to arne@vajhoej.dk on Tue Feb 27 13:06:52 2024
    On 2024-02-26, Arne Vajhj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:

    Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
    since it is Alpha).

    Notes maybe.


    And BASIC.

    And TECO (if anyone is still using it. :-) )

    And all the various Alpha binaries that people either have or are part
    of the various additional tools installed on Eisner.

    Simon.

    --
    Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
    Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

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  • From Hunter Goatley@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 09:08:12 2024
    On 2/26/2024 7:08 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
    since it is Alpha).

    Notes maybe.

    Yes, NOTES is the primary reason. AFAIK, NOTES was never available for
    I64 and isn't available for X86.

    Hunter

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  • From Dan Cross@21:1/5 to Robert A. Brooks on Tue Feb 27 14:52:42 2024
    In article <urks9e$38i4d$1@dont-email.me>,
    Robert A. Brooks <FIRST.LAST@vmssoftware.com> wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 9:08 AM, Hunter Goatley wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 7:08 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
    since it is Alpha).

    Notes maybe.

    Yes, NOTES is the primary reason. AFAIK, NOTES was never available for I64 and isn't available for X86.

    Notes is available on IA64; still under development on X86 -- hasn't risen to the top of anyone's priority list yet.

    Thanks for confirming. I'm happy to hear that it's at
    least on the radar; Notes is very nice.

    - Dan C.

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  • From Robert A. Brooks@21:1/5 to Hunter Goatley on Tue Feb 27 09:40:46 2024
    On 2/27/2024 9:08 AM, Hunter Goatley wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 7:08 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?

    Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
    since it is Alpha).

    Notes maybe.

    Yes, NOTES is the primary reason. AFAIK, NOTES was never available for I64 and isn't available for X86.

    Notes is available on IA64; still under development on X86 -- hasn't risen to the top of anyone's priority list yet.

    --
    -- Rob

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  • From Hunter Goatley@21:1/5 to Robert A. Brooks on Tue Feb 27 10:57:06 2024
    On 2/27/2024 9:40 AM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:

    Notes is available on IA64; still under development on X86 -- hasn't
    risen to the top of anyone's priority list yet.

    Good to know! Thanks.

    Hunter

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Robert A. Brooks on Tue Feb 27 15:20:16 2024
    On 2/27/2024 9:40 AM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 9:08 AM, Hunter Goatley wrote:
    On 2/26/2024 7:08 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    ;
    Purely out of curiosity, why not host it on x86?
    ;
    Probably some software not available on x86-64 (or Itanium
    since it is Alpha).
    ;
    Notes maybe.

    Yes, NOTES is the primary reason. AFAIK, NOTES was never available for
    I64 and isn't available for X86.

    Notes is available on IA64;

    In final?

    Freeware CD 7.0 has:
    * 2.5 for VAX and Alpha
    * 2.6 Field Test for Alpha and Itanium

    still under development on X86 -- hasn't
    risen to the top of anyone's priority list yet.

    Probably never will.

    I consider the VT version obsolete for 30 years and the
    DECWindows/MSWindows version obsolete for 20 years.

    Arne

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  • From Robert A. Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 17:21:34 2024
    On 2/27/2024 3:20 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 9:40 AM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:

    Notes is available on IA64;

    In final?

    I suspect there is little difference between the IA64 FT version and
    a final version.

    Freeware CD 7.0 has:
    * 2.5 for VAX and Alpha
    * 2.6 Field Test for Alpha and Itanium

    still under development on X86 -- hasn't risen to the top of anyone's priority list yet.

    Probably never will.

    I consider the VT version obsolete for 30 years and the
    DECWindows/MSWindows version obsolete for 20 years.

    We rely on Notes as part of the source management system, so yeah, it'll get done.

    --
    -- Rob

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Robert A. Brooks on Tue Feb 27 18:54:22 2024
    On 2/27/2024 5:21 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 3:20 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 9:40 AM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    Notes is available on IA64;

    In final?

    I suspect there is little difference between the IA64 FT version and
    a final version.

    I believe that.

    No bug reports and FT becomes final.

    Freeware CD 7.0 has:
    * 2.5 for VAX and Alpha
    * 2.6 Field Test for Alpha and Itanium

    still under development on X86 -- hasn't risen to the top of anyone's
    priority list yet.

    Probably never will.

    I consider the VT version obsolete for 30 years and the
    DECWindows/MSWindows version obsolete for 20 years.

    We rely on Notes as part of the source management system, so yeah, it'll
    get done.

    Are you at liberty to elaborate on that?

    Just curious. Notes is a conference system and it is not
    obvious to me how it related to source control.

    Arne

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 28 00:08:31 2024
    On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 18:54:22 -0500, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    Notes is a conference system and it is not obvious to me
    how it related to source control.

    Bug tracker? Patch submissions? Todo lists? General feature discussion?

    I just hope they are using some non-crap source-management system ...

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  • From Robert A. Brooks@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 28 23:05:59 2024
    On 2/27/2024 6:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 5:21 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 3:20 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    I consider the VT version obsolete for 30 years and the
    DECWindows/MSWindows version obsolete for 20 years.

    We rely on Notes as part of the source management system, so yeah, it'll get >> done.

    Are you at liberty to elaborate on that?

    Just curious. Notes is a conference system and it is not
    obvious to me how it related to source control.

    We use CMS for source control. There is an Rdb-driven front end that provides things that CMS does not, like the concept of sequential streams, and automatic propagation through the streams. For the most part, this system works well for us.

    Notes is used to contain detailed information regarding a source checking.

    Depending upon the complexity of the change, the detail can be a few pages.

    That, of course, is in addition to the verbose edit history that most of our compilation units contain. When VSI started in 2014, it was very useful for me to review stuff I'd written 10+ years before, to remind myself about how certain
    areas of the code worked, and why things were done in non-obvious ways.

    --

    --- Rob

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Robert A. Brooks on Thu Feb 29 16:04:59 2024
    On 2/28/2024 11:05 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 6:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 5:21 PM, Robert A. Brooks wrote:
    On 2/27/2024 3:20 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:

    I consider the VT version obsolete for 30 years and the
    DECWindows/MSWindows version obsolete for 20 years.

    We rely on Notes as part of the source management system, so yeah,
    it'll get done.

    Are you at liberty to elaborate on that?

    Just curious. Notes is a conference system and it is not
    obvious to me how it related to source control.

    We use CMS for source control.  There is an Rdb-driven front end that provides
    things that CMS does not, like the concept of sequential streams, and automatic propagation through the streams.  For the most part, this
    system works well for us.

    That is the VDE thing available here:

    https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/freeware/v70/vde/ https://www.digiater.nl/openvms/freeware/v40/vde/

    ?

    Notes is used to contain detailed information regarding a source checking.

    Depending upon the complexity of the change, the detail can be a few pages.

    So sort of like a NoSQL text database with revision information?

    UI based or API based?

    (yes - I am a nosy person)

    Arne

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  • From Hunter Goatley@21:1/5 to Hunter Goatley on Sun Mar 17 16:01:29 2024
    On 2/26/2024 1:25 PM, Hunter Goatley wrote:
    EISNER will be moving again soon---as in this week, if all goes well.

    In fact, the system is being replaced. VSI has hosted the physical
    system for the past few years, but Process Software will be taking over hosting, and the machine is being replaced by a vtAlpha system, thanks
    to AVT and Vere Technologies, who generously donated a license for the system.

    It took longer than I anticipated, but EISNER has been moved from
    VSI to Process Software, thanks to the vtAlpha license provided by
    AVT and Vere Technologies.

    I think everything is working as expected, but if you see any
    problems, just send email to GOATLEY on EISNER.

    Hunter
    ------
    Hunter Goatley, Process Software, https://www.process.com/ goathunter@goatley.com

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