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    From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 12 20:13:14 2023
    I am sure most people remember the discussion about the changes to
    VMS licenses.

    Now VMWare licenses get changed similar:

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/broadcom-ends-vmware-perpetual-license-sales-testing-customers-and-partners/

    Arne

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  • From Simon Clubley@21:1/5 to arne@vajhoej.dk on Wed Dec 13 13:23:46 2023
    On 2023-12-12, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
    I am sure most people remember the discussion about the changes to
    VMS licenses.

    Now VMWare licenses get changed similar:

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/broadcom-ends-vmware-perpetual-license-sales-testing-customers-and-partners/


    The difference is that the VMware people don't have to worry about the possibility of their supplier suddenly going bust and having their own operations suddenly stopping because no-one acquired VMware after the
    company went bust. The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
    ever be a serious possibility.

    Simon.

    --
    Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
    Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Simon Clubley on Wed Dec 13 09:07:26 2023
    On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
    The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
    ever be a serious possibility.

    I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.

    So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?



    --
    Grant. . . .

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  • From Chris Townley@21:1/5 to Grant Taylor on Wed Dec 13 17:04:42 2023
    On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
    The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
    ever be a serious possibility.

    I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.

    So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?

    They have recently been acquired by Broadcom

    --
    Chris

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  • From Grant Taylor@21:1/5 to Chris Townley on Wed Dec 13 12:36:16 2023
    On 12/13/23 11:04, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
    The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
    ever be a serious possibility.

    I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.

    So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?

    They have recently been acquired by Broadcom

    LOL

    So that's why VMware licenses are changing and I'm seeing reference to Broadcom.



    --
    Grant. . . .

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Chris Townley on Wed Dec 13 15:39:40 2023
    On 12/13/2023 12:04 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
    The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
    ever be a serious possibility.

    I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.

    So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?

    They have recently been acquired by Broadcom

    Yep.

    They paid 61 B$ or 69 B$ for VMWare.

    That is a lot of money.

    Arne

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  • From Chris Townley@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 13 23:58:03 2023
    On 13/12/2023 20:39, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 12/13/2023 12:04 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
    The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
    ever be a serious possibility.

    I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.

    So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?

    They have recently been acquired by Broadcom

    Yep.

    They paid 61 B$ or 69 B$ for VMWare.

    That is a lot of money.


    Don't know if it has happened, but there were rumours of loads of
    companies dropping VMware. For what? KVM/QEMU?

    --
    Chris

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  • From David Wade@21:1/5 to Simon Clubley on Thu Dec 14 00:45:56 2023
    On 13/12/2023 13:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
    On 2023-12-12, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
    I am sure most people remember the discussion about the changes to
    VMS licenses.

    Now VMWare licenses get changed similar:

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/broadcom-ends-vmware-perpetual-license-sales-testing-customers-and-partners/


    That can be a serious problem for UK government orgs that use it.
    Perpetual licences can be bought out of capital funds and so may be
    counted as an investment and written down over time, whereas time
    limited usually have to be bought out of recurrent budgets, which may
    vanish...



    The difference is that the VMware people don't have to worry about the possibility of their supplier suddenly going bust and having their own operations suddenly stopping because no-one acquired VMware after the
    company went bust. The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
    ever be a serious possibility.

    Simon.


    Dave

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?=@21:1/5 to Chris Townley on Wed Dec 13 19:22:14 2023
    On 12/13/2023 6:58 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 20:39, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 12/13/2023 12:04 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
    The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
    ever be a serious possibility.

    I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.

    So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?

    They have recently been acquired by Broadcom

    Yep.

    They paid 61 B$ or 69 B$ for VMWare.

    That is a lot of money.

    Don't know if it has happened, but there were rumours of loads of
    companies dropping VMware. For what? KVM/QEMU?

    I have not heard about many dropping ESXi. But growth is elsewhere.

    A large part of workload is in AWS/Azure/GCP/OCI today. And they don't
    pay for VMWare (AWS use custom Xen, Azure use Hyper-V, GCP use KVM,
    OCI use KVM).

    A large part of workload are not deployed in VM's but
    in containers today - and a significant part of that is
    k8s on bare metal not k8s on VM (there are still a lot
    of k8s on VM though).

    For the classic in own data center VM then I think it is
    still: MS shop => Hyper-V, total open source centric => KVM,
    everybody else => ESXi.

    But if "the classic in own data center VM" market share
    has dropped from 95% til 25% then ...

    Arne

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  • From Single Stage to Orbit@21:1/5 to Simon Clubley on Thu Dec 14 09:17:57 2023
    On Wed, 2023-12-13 at 13:23 +0000, Simon Clubley wrote:
    On 2023-12-12, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
    I am sure most people remember the discussion about the changes to
    VMS licenses.

    Now VMWare licenses get changed similar:

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/broadcom-ends-vmware-perpetual-license-sales-testing-customers-and-partners/


    The difference is that the VMware people don't have to worry about
    the possibility of their supplier suddenly going bust and having
    their own operations suddenly stopping because no-one acquired VMware
    after the company went bust. The VMware ecosystem is simply too large
    for that to ever be a serious possibility.

    But Broadfuckingcom will enshittify[1] everything that was good about
    VMware.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification
    --
    Tactical Nuclear Kittens

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  • From Dan Cross@21:1/5 to arne@vajhoej.dk on Thu Dec 14 12:17:23 2023
    In article <uldhrl$12f61$1@dont-email.me>,
    Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
    On 12/13/2023 6:58 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 20:39, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
    On 12/13/2023 12:04 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
    On 13/12/2023 15:07, Grant Taylor wrote:
    On 12/13/23 07:23, Simon Clubley wrote:
    The VMware ecosystem is simply too large for that to
    ever be a serious possibility.

    I feel like the same could have been said about DEC at one time.

    So maybe it could be said about VMware at some time in the future?

    They have recently been acquired by Broadcom

    Yep.

    They paid 61 B$ or 69 B$ for VMWare.

    That is a lot of money.

    Don't know if it has happened, but there were rumours of loads of
    companies dropping VMware. For what? KVM/QEMU?

    I have not heard about many dropping ESXi. But growth is elsewhere.

    A large part of workload is in AWS/Azure/GCP/OCI today. And they don't
    pay for VMWare (AWS use custom Xen, Azure use Hyper-V, GCP use KVM,
    OCI use KVM).

    AWS is also (in fact, mostly) KVM/Nitro these days. They run
    Xen nested under KVM in lots of instances.

    - Dan C.

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  • From nobody@PANIX.COM@21:1/5 to Arne Vajhoej on Tue Dec 19 04:22:29 2023
    Arne Vajhoej <arne@vajhoej.dk> writes:

    I am sure most people remember the discussion about the changes to
    VMS licenses.

    Now VMWare licenses get changed similar:

    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/12/broadcom-ends-vmware-perpetual-license-sales-testing-customers-and-partners/

    Pro Tools is not as widely used as VMware, but it is heavily involved
    in the production of music, movies, and television shows. Some time
    ago it was eaten by a larger company, and perpetual licensing was
    dropped. Then last fall perpetual licensing returned. Why..? Heh,
    you don't need to be a genius to figure that out...

    https://avidtech.my.salesforce-sites.com/pkb/articles/en_US/Knowledge/Pro-Tools-Licensing-FAQ

    Billy Y..
    --
    sub #'9+1 ,r0 ; convert ascii byte
    add #9.+1 ,r0 ; to an integer
    bcc 20$ ; not a number

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