Everyone else can ignore this post...
I've put in a filter to kill any posts that come from Google groups, but
I'm not sure if it's filtering out legitimate posts. I haven't seen a non-spam post since I put the filter in place.
On 11/29/23 1:56 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
bill wrote:
Ken Robinson wrote:
I've put in a filter to kill any posts that come from Google groups
Looks like my news server is doing that now and it is resulting in
legitimate posts being dropped.
Yes, considering VMS people to be technically competent, a surprising
number of them use google groups :-(
Considering how many free public
and very inexpensive news servers are available I hope anyone
expecting to actually use USENET leaves google groups.
+1
As has been said many times (whenever this suggestion comes up), not
everyone has NNTP access. Corporate firewalls mostly block it, for one >thing.
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 06:37:33 -0600, "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
On 11/29/23 1:56 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
bill wrote:
Ken Robinson wrote:
I've put in a filter to kill any posts that come from Google groups
Looks like my news server is doing that now and it is resulting in
legitimate posts being dropped.
Yes, considering VMS people to be technically competent, a surprising
number of them use google groups :-(
Considering how many free public
and very inexpensive news servers are available I hope anyone
expecting to actually use USENET leaves google groups.
+1
As has been said many times (whenever this suggestion comes up), not
everyone has NNTP access. Corporate firewalls mostly block it, for one
thing.
Everyone can have direct, unmediated (by corporate, or institutional networks) NNTP access, if they have the will, and inclination, to do
so:
1. Private Internet access by whatever means (home internet, or
hotspot off their mobile phone internet)
2. A NNTP block account from a Usenet Newsgroup service provider -
fixed once off fee, lasts essentially forever if you are only
participating in text groups and not downloading binaries.
- or -
Use a free, quality, NNTP text newsgroup feed such as:
https://www.i2pn2.org/
https://www.eternal-september.org/
Anyone claiming they can only access via google groups merely wants
the convenience of participating with comp.os.vms during their working
hours.
Of course, I am happy to stand corrected (I've had a lot of practice, historically) if someone presents a compelling technical scenario
where someone's only possible recourse to comp.os.vms is via google
groups. :-)
Its hard for any one who does not own, or perhaps use on a regular basis
a "real" computer of their own, so only own a Tablet or Phone but have
access to a locked down real computer for work, and I think there are
more of those these days.
Its hard for any one who does not own, or perhaps use on a regular basis
a "real" computer of their own, so only own a Tablet or Phone but have
access to a locked down real computer for work, and I think there are
more of those these days.
David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
Its hard for any one who does not own, or perhaps use on a regular basis
a "real" computer of their own, so only own a Tablet or Phone but have
access to a locked down real computer for work, and I think there are
more of those these days.
I cannot imagine trying to use Google Groups from such a horrible interface either.
And while this may be relevant to Usenet as a whole, it would not seem to be relevant to comp.os.vms where everyone likely has access to at least a VMS machine or they would not be on here.
--scott
On 06/12/2023 00:33, Subcommandante XDelta wrote:
On Wed, 29 Nov 2023 06:37:33 -0600, "Craig A. Berry"
<craigberry@nospam.mac.com> wrote:
On 11/29/23 1:56 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
bill wrote:
Ken Robinson wrote:
I've put in a filter to kill any posts that come from Google groups >>>>>Looks like my news server is doing that now and it is resulting in
legitimate posts being dropped.
Yes, considering VMS people to be technically competent, a surprising
number of them use google groups :-(
Considering how many free public
and very inexpensive news servers are available I hope anyone
expecting to actually use USENET leaves google groups.
+1
As has been said many times (whenever this suggestion comes up), not
everyone has NNTP access. Corporate firewalls mostly block it, for one >>> thing.
Everyone can have direct, unmediated (by corporate, or institutional
networks) NNTP access, if they have the will, and inclination, to do
so:
1. Private Internet access by whatever means (home internet, or
hotspot off their mobile phone internet)
2. A NNTP block account from a Usenet Newsgroup service provider -
fixed once off fee, lasts essentially forever if you are only
participating in text groups and not downloading binaries.
- or -
Use a free, quality, NNTP text newsgroup feed such as:
https://www.i2pn2.org/
https://www.eternal-september.org/
Anyone claiming they can only access via google groups merely wants
the convenience of participating with comp.os.vms during their working
hours.
Of course, I am happy to stand corrected (I've had a lot of practice,
historically) if someone presents a compelling technical scenario
where someone's only possible recourse to comp.os.vms is via google
groups. :-)
Its hard for any one who does not own, or perhaps use on a regular basis
a "real" computer of their own, so only own a Tablet or Phone but have
access to a locked down real computer for work, and I think there are
more of those these days.
In fact many have a PC but don't use it on a regular basis. My wife is
like that. She uses an iPad for 99% of her work. She does have access to
a PC but tends to only use it for serious work, and its in a room we
don't often use.
I have searched high and low and have yet to find a decent news reader
for Android or IOS as I too would like to ditch my Laptop, which is
heavy and has short battery life, for a 12" Android Tablet...
... you might say "we don't want those sorts on usenet" but if thats the
case then USENET is pretty much doomed.
On 12/6/2023 9:00 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:I use(d) Google Groups. Not because I'm lazy, not because I don't know better, not because I'm a Google fan-guy. It was easy to point a
Its hard for any one who does not own, or perhaps use on a regular basis >>> a "real" computer of their own, so only own a Tablet or Phone but have
access to a locked down real computer for work, and I think there are
more of those these days.
I cannot imagine trying to use Google Groups from such a horrible
interface
either.
And while this may be relevant to Usenet as a whole, it would not seem
to be
relevant to comp.os.vms where everyone likely has access to at least a
VMS
machine or they would not be on here.
--scott
browser to it on my phone and skim the discussions. I was unable to
reply from my phone, but it prompted me to walk to my computer and
contribute to the group.
With the Thai spam flood, I have switched to i2pn2.org and Thunderbird.
Yeah, I know I've triggered the keyboard jackals to start complaining
now about Thunderbird and that interface. Whatever.
I read the VSI forums more than I read here so if you want to get my attention, post over there.
John
Its hard for any one who does not own, or perhaps use on a regular basis
a "real" computer of their own, so only own a Tablet or Phone but have
access to a locked down real computer for work, and I think there are
more of those these days.
... you might say "we don't want those sorts on usenet" but if thats the
case then USENET is pretty much doomed.
And while this may be relevant to Usenet as a whole, it would not seem to be relevant to comp.os.vms where everyone likely has access to at least a VMS machine or they would not be on here.
David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:
Its hard for any one who does not own, or perhaps use on a regular basis
a "real" computer of their own, so only own a Tablet or Phone but have
access to a locked down real computer for work, and I think there are
more of those these days.
I cannot imagine trying to use Google Groups from such a horrible interface either.
And while this may be relevant to Usenet as a whole, it would not seem to be relevant to comp.os.vms where everyone likely has access to at least a VMS machine or they would not be on here.
--scott
Its hard for any one who does not own, or perhaps use on a regular basis a "real" computer of their own, so only own a Tablet or Phone but have access to a
locked down real computer for work, and I think there are more of those these days.
In fact many have a PC but don't use it on a regular basis. My wife is like that. She uses an iPad for 99% of her work. She does have access to a PC but tends to only use it for serious work, and its in a room we don't often use.
I have searched high and low and have yet to find a decent news reader for Android or IOS as I too would like to ditch my Laptop, which is heavy and has short battery life, for a 12" Android Tablet...
... you might say "we don't want those sorts on usenet" but if thats the case then USENET is pretty much doomed.
Dave
On 06/12/2023 14:26, John Reagan wrote:
On 12/6/2023 9:00 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> wrote:I use(d) Google Groups. Not because I'm lazy, not because I don't
Its hard for any one who does not own, or perhaps use on a regular
basis
a "real" computer of their own, so only own a Tablet or Phone but have >>>> access to a locked down real computer for work, and I think there are
more of those these days.
I cannot imagine trying to use Google Groups from such a horrible
interface
either.
And while this may be relevant to Usenet as a whole, it would not
seem to be
relevant to comp.os.vms where everyone likely has access to at least
a VMS
machine or they would not be on here.
--scott
know better, not because I'm a Google fan-guy. It was easy to point a
browser to it on my phone and skim the discussions. I was unable to
reply from my phone, but it prompted me to walk to my computer and
contribute to the group.
With the Thai spam flood, I have switched to i2pn2.org and
Thunderbird. Yeah, I know I've triggered the keyboard jackals to start
complaining now about Thunderbird and that interface. Whatever.
I read the VSI forums more than I read here so if you want to get my
attention, post over there.
John
There are a few usenet readers on Google Play store. I haven't tried
them, as I am normally on a PC or a laptop. I just searched for "news
group reader app"
And while this may be relevant to Usenet as a whole, it would not seem to be relevant to comp.os.vms where everyone likely has access to at least a VMS machine or they would not be on here.
On 12/6/2023 9:00 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
And while this may be relevant to Usenet as a whole, it would not seem to be >> relevant to comp.os.vms where everyone likely has access to at least a VMS >> machine or they would not be on here.
I suspect that there some c.o.v. users that do not currently
have access to a VMS system, but are here because they once
had.
It seems like the barrier to entry for getting an account on
Eisner is pretty low, for those that are interested. This
newsgroup, perhaps by way of INFO-VAX, is gatewayed into VAX
notes there (though I don't know if the inverse is also true).
Whether that's at all convenient for people connecting from
phones or tablets is an entirely different matter.
I wonder whether it will ever be possible to run VMS under WSL2 on Windows like I run Ubuntu. I do almost all my Drupal development on an instance of Ubuntu that runs under WSL2.
I wonder whether it will ever be possible to run VMS under WSL2 on Windows like I run Ubuntu. I do almost all my Drupal development on an instance of Ubuntu that runs under WSL2.
On 12/6/23 3:45 PM, Ken Robinson wrote:
I wonder whether it will ever be possible to run VMS under WSL2 on
Windows
like I run Ubuntu. I do almost all my Drupal development on an
instance of
Ubuntu that runs under WSL2.
My understanding of WSL2 is that it is just an Ubuntu instance running
under Hyper-V with some integrations to allow local file access (though slower than WSL1 at that). There have been mentions of possibly
supporting OpenVMS x86 on Hyper-V at some point. I don't know the state
of that.
Use a free, quality, NNTP text newsgroup feed such as:
https://www.i2pn2.org/
https://www.eternal-september.org/
Il 06/12/2023 01:33, Subcommandante XDelta ha scritto:
Use a free, quality, NNTP text newsgroup feed such as:
https://www.i2pn2.org/
https://www.eternal-september.org/
FWIW, I read comp.os.vms via Eternal September and it's FULL of spam. I don't think it makes any difference, anyway I'm reading from Italy.
Use a free, quality, NNTP text newsgroup feed such as:
https://www.i2pn2.org/
https://www.eternal-september.org/
FWIW, I read comp.os.vms via Eternal September and it's FULL of spam. I don't >think it makes any difference, anyway I'm reading from Italy.
G.
On 2023-12-07, G. <gerry77@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
Il 06/12/2023 01:33, Subcommandante XDelta ha scritto:
Use a free, quality, NNTP text newsgroup feed such as:
https://www.i2pn2.org/
https://www.eternal-september.org/
FWIW, I read comp.os.vms via Eternal September and it's FULL of spam. I don't
think it makes any difference, anyway I'm reading from Italy.
Eternal September certainly does have some spam even after filtering, but
it is nowhere near as bad as an unfiltered feed. Compare comp.os.vms via
ES with the view from Google Groups to see just how much the ES filters
are removing.
Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote:
On 2023-12-07, G. <gerry77@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
Il 06/12/2023 01:33, Subcommandante XDelta ha scritto:
Use a free, quality, NNTP text newsgroup feed such as:
https://www.i2pn2.org/
https://www.eternal-september.org/
FWIW, I read comp.os.vms via Eternal September and it's FULL of spam. I don't
think it makes any difference, anyway I'm reading from Italy.
Eternal September certainly does have some spam even after filtering, but >>it is nowhere near as bad as an unfiltered feed. Compare comp.os.vms via
ES with the view from Google Groups to see just how much the ES filters
are removing.
I honestly don't know what ES is like, but I will say that at our site here >they are removing between 2,000 and 5,000 spam messages a day from this group. >Which isn't as many as comp.protocols.time.ntp is getting but it's a lot
more than comp.arch. All of the spam seems to be coming from a a small >number of Google users, if not a single Google user. Right now, maybe ten
or twenty spam messages a day are making it through the filters but with
the new nocem configurations that should be improving.
Il 06/12/2023 01:33, Subcommandante XDelta ha scritto:
Use a free, quality, NNTP text newsgroup feed such as:
https://www.i2pn2.org/
https://www.eternal-september.org/
FWIW, I read comp.os.vms via Eternal September and it's FULL of spam. I don't think it makes any difference, anyway I'm reading from Italy.
G.
In article <uksfl5$194b9$1@dont-email.me>, G. <gerry77@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
Il 06/12/2023 01:33, Subcommandante XDelta ha scritto:
Use a free, quality, NNTP text newsgroup feed such as:
https://www.i2pn2.org/
https://www.eternal-september.org/
FWIW, I read comp.os.vms via Eternal September and it's FULL of spam. I don't
think it makes any difference, anyway I'm reading from Italy.
G.
It should be getting better this week but if it doesn't, using NNTP allows you to set up killfiles using your local newsreader. Cancelling anything from Google is a reasonable temporary measure until the ES news guys get their filtering dialed in for the current spam blast.
--scott
Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote:
On 2023-12-07, G. <gerry77@no.spam.mail.com> wrote:
Il 06/12/2023 01:33, Subcommandante XDelta ha scritto:
Use a free, quality, NNTP text newsgroup feed such as:
https://www.i2pn2.org/
https://www.eternal-september.org/
FWIW, I read comp.os.vms via Eternal September and it's FULL of spam. I don't
think it makes any difference, anyway I'm reading from Italy.
Eternal September certainly does have some spam even after filtering, but
it is nowhere near as bad as an unfiltered feed. Compare comp.os.vms via
ES with the view from Google Groups to see just how much the ES filters
are removing.
I honestly don't know what ES is like, but I will say that at our site here they are removing between 2,000 and 5,000 spam messages a day from this group.
Which isn't as many as comp.protocols.time.ntp is getting but it's a lot
more than comp.arch. All of the spam seems to be coming from a a small number of Google users, if not a single Google user. Right now, maybe ten
or twenty spam messages a day are making it through the filters but with
the new nocem configurations that should be improving.
--scott
Scott, is this using Panix's NNTP server? I'm seeing
substantially more spam than that on this end coming through
news.panix.com.
I'm thinking a 2 lb dart arriving at each spammer at a relative velocity of say,
.05 C, might help with the problem.
Everyone else can ignore this post...
I've put in a filter to kill any posts that come from Google groups, but
I'm not sure if it's filtering out legitimate posts. I haven't seen a non-spam post since I put the filter in place.
They are now grumbling on comp.lang.ada
Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
I'm thinking a 2 lb dart arriving at each spammer at a relative velocity of say,
.05 C, might help with the problem.
Oh, the current explosion seems to be from just one spammer. There are other spam posts here and there but the runs of thousands at a time are from one guy.
Dan Cross <cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net> wrote:
Scott, is this using Panix's NNTP server? I'm seeing
substantially more spam than that on this end coming through >>news.panix.com.
A lot of it comes in but most of it disappears off the server within an
hour or so since panix is accepting the nocem cancels. Panix does not >forward it to downstream sites but if you read news on a panix shell machine >you may see groups with thousands of messages but come to read them and find >only one or two are left. Sometimes you will see a block of spam.. stop >reading that group and come back in an hour and it will likely be gone.
On 2023-12-07, Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
Dave Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
I'm thinking a 2 lb dart arriving at each spammer at a relative velocity of say,
.05 C, might help with the problem.
Oh, the current explosion seems to be from just one spammer. There are other
spam posts here and there but the runs of thousands at a time are from one >> guy.
Does anyone know the motivation of this person and why this person is
doing this ?
Has this person been wronged in some way ?
I'm thinking a 2 lb dart arriving at each spammer at a relative velocity of say,
.05 C, might help with the problem.
Oh, the current explosion seems to be from just one spammer. There are other
spam posts here and there but the runs of thousands at a time are from one >> guy.
Does anyone know the motivation of this person and why this person is
doing this ?
Has this person been wronged in some way ?
It should be getting better this week but if it doesn't, using NNTP allows you to set up killfiles using your local newsreader. Cancelling anything from Google is a reasonable temporary measure until the ES news guys get their filtering dialed in for the current spam blast.
On 12/8/23 08:08, Simon Clubley wrote:
I'm thinking a 2 lb dart arriving at each spammer at a relative
velocity of say,
.05 C, might help with the problem.
Oh, the current explosion seems to be from just one spammer. There
are other
spam posts here and there but the runs of thousands at a time are
from one
guy.
Does anyone know the motivation of this person and why this person is
doing this ?
Has this person been wronged in some way ?
 I'd certainly welcome the chance to wrong him.
            -Dave
Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for Windows?
On 12/9/23 09:36, Chris Townley wrote:
Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for
Windows?
I believe Steve Gibson w/ GRC has a fork of Gravity updated to deal with
some date issue. You might give that a try. -- I'm not a Windows
user, so I don't have any experience.
I am a long time Thunderbird user -- now mostly because I haven't found
an acceptable replacement.
Occasionally I need to right click on a newsgroup, go to the newsgroup's >properties, and click repair. That will cause Thunderbird to
re-download messages, or at least the last X number of messages. That >usually helps when working with a specific newsgroup gets too large.
Sadly, with all the spam emanating from Google Groups, newsgroups are
growing a lot quicker, even if things do get cleaned up after the fact.
Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for Windows?
I currently use Eternal September and Thunderbird, and find Thunderbird
flaky at best. With all the spam about I have to close and reopen it
multiple times to actually read messages that are there. Setting up
filters is fiddly as well. Most of the stuff around seems to be aimed at binary downloads - I just want something for reading, and posting.
Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader
for Windows?
I currently use Eternal September and Thunderbird, and find
Thunderbird flaky at best. With all the spam about I have to close and
reopen it multiple times to actually read messages that are there.
Setting up filters is fiddly as well. Most of the stuff around seems
to be aimed at binary downloads - I just want something for reading,
and posting.
I tried Pan yesterday, no documentation, and I could only get it to
work partially
Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote in news:ul21ic$28j03$1@dont-email.me:
Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader
for Windows?
I currently use Eternal September and Thunderbird, and find
Thunderbird flaky at best. With all the spam about I have to close and
reopen it multiple times to actually read messages that are there.
Setting up filters is fiddly as well. Most of the stuff around seems
to be aimed at binary downloads - I just want something for reading,
and posting.
I tried Pan yesterday, no documentation, and I could only get it to
work partially
I have been using XNews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xnews
It is pretty old and not supported but it has done what I need. It is
working in Windows 10 fine. I like that I can read by using single key commands and not have to use the mouse at all. There is an addition I
found to allow it to properly display non-English characters. I can't remember right now how that was done.
On 12/9/2023 10:36 AM, Chris Townley wrote:
Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader
for Windows?
I currently use Eternal September and Thunderbird, and find
Thunderbird flaky at best. With all the spam about I have to close and
reopen it multiple times to actually read messages that are there.
Setting up filters is fiddly as well. Most of the stuff around seems
to be aimed at binary downloads - I just want something for reading,
and posting.
I use ThunderBird on Windows and do not have a need to
close and reopen.
And filter seemed pretty simple to me: define filter
matching anything from GG but not from a few named
users and action=delete and run when getting new. It works.
Arne
The latest release seems to have fixed these problems but creates
others. I did resort going into the config editor and setting:-
mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads
to "false" but its now ok..
David Wade wrote:
The latest release seems to have fixed these problems but creates
others. I did resort going into the config editor and setting:-
mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads
to "false" but its now ok..
Where is this config editor? Couldn't find this in settings
On 10/12/2023 07:41, David Wade wrote:
The latest release seems to have fixed these problems but creates
others. I did resort going into the config editor and setting:-
mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads
to "false" but its now ok..
Where is this config editor? Couldn't find this in settings
Chris Townley wrote:
David Wade wrote:
The latest release seems to have fixed these problems but creates
others. I did resort going into the config editor and setting:-
mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads
to "false" but its now ok..
Where is this config editor? Couldn't find this in settings
tools / settings / general / config editor
Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for Windows?
On 2023-12-09, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for
Windows?
Will slrn run under Cygwin ?
On 2023-12-11, Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
On 12/12/2023 00:09, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2023-12-09, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:You can build it: <https://www.andrews-corner.org/slrn-windows.html>
Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for >>>> Windows?
Will slrn run under Cygwin ?
That appears to be for Windows native and appears to be a significant exercise to build.
With Cygwin, slrn believes it is running under a form of Unix and, having
had a quick look, it does appear there are prebuilt versions of slrn in
the Cygwin repository:
https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/slrn.html
I have no idea if there are functionality limitations when running slrn
under Cygwin, but it might be worth exploring for people interested in
an option other than Thunderbird.
On 12/12/2023 00:09, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2023-12-09, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:You can build it: <https://www.andrews-corner.org/slrn-windows.html>
Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for
Windows?
Will slrn run under Cygwin ?
On 2023-12-09, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for
Windows?
Will slrn run under Cygwin ?
Simon.
On 12/11/2023 9:16 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
With Cygwin, slrn believes it is running under a form of Unix and, having
had a quick look, it does appear there are prebuilt versions of slrn in
the Cygwin repository:
https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/slrn.html
I have no idea if there are functionality limitations when running slrn
under Cygwin, but it might be worth exploring for people interested in
an option other than Thunderbird.
Just to be clear about what Cygwin provides.
Cygwin build tools, compilers, header files, libraries etc.
allow one to build *nix source code. The result is Windows
EXE/DLL that run on any Windows as long as the the Cygwin
runtime DLL is present.
Nice tool. I have used it for more than 20 years.
But it is not emulating Linux like WSL1 does (or Wine
does in the reverse direction).
On 12/12/2023 8:18 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
On 2023-12-11, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
On 12/11/2023 9:16 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
With Cygwin, slrn believes it is running under a form of Unix and,
having
had a quick look, it does appear there are prebuilt versions of slrn in >>>> the Cygwin repository:
https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/slrn.html
I have no idea if there are functionality limitations when running slrn >>>> under Cygwin, but it might be worth exploring for people interested in >>>> an option other than Thunderbird.
Just to be clear about what Cygwin provides.
Cygwin build tools, compilers, header files, libraries etc.
allow one to build *nix source code. The result is Windows
EXE/DLL that run on any Windows as long as the the Cygwin
runtime DLL is present.
Nice tool. I have used it for more than 20 years.
But it is not emulating Linux like WSL1 does (or Wine
does in the reverse direction).
Yes. Like I said above, it's emulating the various Unix APIs instead and
providing the kinds of tools you would see under Linux. For anyone
confused
about the difference, look at the output of "uname -o" both under Cygwin
and under Linux. Under Cygwin, "Cygwin" is output as the OS, not "Linux".
#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/utsname.h>
#include <sysinfoapi.h>
#include <winnt.h>
int main()
{
   struct utsname un;
   uname(&un);
   printf("sysname=%s, release=%s\n", un.sysname, un.release);
   struct _OSVERSIONINFOA osvi;
   osvi.dwOSVersionInfoSize = sizeof(struct _OSVERSIONINFOA);
   GetVersionExA(&osvi);
   printf("%s major=%d minor=%d build=%d\n", osvi.dwPlatformId == VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT ? "NT" : "Unknown", osvi.dwMajorVersion, osvi.dwMinorVersion, osvi.dwBuildNumber);
   return 0;
}
on my PC outputs:
sysname=CYGWIN_NT-10.0-19045, release=3.4.7-1.x86_64
NT major=10 minor=0 build=19045
It knows what Windows Cygwin is hosted on.
Think of it as a seriously beefed-up version of POSIX that even allows
you to run X under Windows.
I think that is a very accurate description.
It is also very close to how Cygwin itself sees it.
https://www.cygwin.com/faq.html#faq.what.what
<quote>
What is it?
Cygwin is a distribution of popular GNU and other Open Source tools
running on Microsoft Windows. The core part is the Cygwin library which provides the POSIX system calls and environment these programs expect.
The Cygwin distribution contains thousands of packages from the Open
Source world including most GNU tools, many BSD tools, an X server and a
full set of X applications. If you're a developer you will find tools, headers and libraries allowing to write Windows console or GUI
applications that make use of significant parts of the POSIX API. Cygwin allows easy porting of many Unix programs without the need for extensive changes to the source code. This includes configuring and building most
of the available GNU or BSD software, including the packages included
with the Cygwin distribution themselves. They can be used from one of
the provided Unix shells like bash, tcsh or zsh.
</quote>
On 12/12/2023 23:53, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
On 12/12/2023 8:18 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:Don't forget MS also has msys2 that runs in the same way
Think of it as a seriously beefed-up version of POSIX that even allows
you to run X under Windows.
I think that is a very accurate description.
It is also very close to how Cygwin itself sees it.
https://www.cygwin.com/faq.html#faq.what.what
<quote>
What is it?
Cygwin is a distribution of popular GNU and other Open Source tools
running on Microsoft Windows. The core part is the Cygwin library
which provides the POSIX system calls and environment these programs
expect.
The Cygwin distribution contains thousands of packages from the Open
Source world including most GNU tools, many BSD tools, an X server and
a full set of X applications. If you're a developer you will find
tools, headers and libraries allowing to write Windows console or GUI
applications that make use of significant parts of the POSIX API.
Cygwin allows easy porting of many Unix programs without the need for
extensive changes to the source code. This includes configuring and
building most of the available GNU or BSD software, including the
packages included with the Cygwin distribution themselves. They can be
used from one of the provided Unix shells like bash, tcsh or zsh.
</quote>
On 2023-12-11, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
On 12/11/2023 9:16 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
With Cygwin, slrn believes it is running under a form of Unix and, having >>> had a quick look, it does appear there are prebuilt versions of slrn in
the Cygwin repository:
https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/slrn.html
I have no idea if there are functionality limitations when running slrn
under Cygwin, but it might be worth exploring for people interested in
an option other than Thunderbird.
Just to be clear about what Cygwin provides.
Cygwin build tools, compilers, header files, libraries etc.
allow one to build *nix source code. The result is Windows
EXE/DLL that run on any Windows as long as the the Cygwin
runtime DLL is present.
Nice tool. I have used it for more than 20 years.
But it is not emulating Linux like WSL1 does (or Wine
does in the reverse direction).
Yes. Like I said above, it's emulating the various Unix APIs instead and providing the kinds of tools you would see under Linux. For anyone confused about the difference, look at the output of "uname -o" both under Cygwin
and under Linux. Under Cygwin, "Cygwin" is output as the OS, not "Linux".
Think of it as a seriously beefed-up version of POSIX that even allows
you to run X under Windows.
[snip]
Yes. Like I said above, it's emulating the various Unix APIs instead and
providing the kinds of tools you would see under Linux. For anyone confused >> about the difference, look at the output of "uname -o" both under Cygwin
and under Linux. Under Cygwin, "Cygwin" is output as the OS, not "Linux".
#include <stdio.h>
#include <sys/utsname.h>
#include <sysinfoapi.h>
#include <winnt.h>
int main()
{
struct utsname un;
uname(&un);
printf("sysname=%s, release=%s\n", un.sysname, un.release);
struct _OSVERSIONINFOA osvi;
osvi.dwOSVersionInfoSize = sizeof(struct _OSVERSIONINFOA);
GetVersionExA(&osvi);
printf("%s major=%d minor=%d build=%d\n", osvi.dwPlatformId ==
VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT ? "NT" : "Unknown", osvi.dwMajorVersion, >osvi.dwMinorVersion, osvi.dwBuildNumber);
return 0;
}
In article <6578f284$0$705$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
[snip]
#include <stdio.h>
Yes. Like I said above, it's emulating the various Unix APIs instead and >>> providing the kinds of tools you would see under Linux. For anyone confused >>> about the difference, look at the output of "uname -o" both under Cygwin >>> and under Linux. Under Cygwin, "Cygwin" is output as the OS, not "Linux". >>
#include <sys/utsname.h>
#include <sysinfoapi.h>
#include <winnt.h>
int main()
{
struct utsname un;
uname(&un);
printf("sysname=%s, release=%s\n", un.sysname, un.release);
struct _OSVERSIONINFOA osvi;
osvi.dwOSVersionInfoSize = sizeof(struct _OSVERSIONINFOA);
GetVersionExA(&osvi);
printf("%s major=%d minor=%d build=%d\n", osvi.dwPlatformId ==
VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT ? "NT" : "Unknown", osvi.dwMajorVersion,
osvi.dwMinorVersion, osvi.dwBuildNumber);
return 0;
}
Don't you mean to use `%u` for the format specifier for the dwords?
Those are unsigned.
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