On Fri, 24 Nov 2023 13:13:22 -0000 (UTC), Simon Clubley ><clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> wrote:
On 2023-11-24, Subcommandante XDelta <vlf@star.enet.dec.com> wrote:
I wave the white flag, I surrender, this torrential flood of mutating
spam is overwhelming, manual adjustments of my ad-hoc kill-filters, in
forte agent, on windows, just isn't cutting the mustard any more.
What is the best-practice best-practice, in terms of usenet feeds,
usenet reader clients, and kill-filters, or bayesian spam filtering,
that minimises baby bathwater frienly fire collateral damage, and
stays on top of this synamically devolving situation?
Has anyone achieved this? - please do report in, thank you.
Yes. Use Eternal September. I lose all the Google Groups postings to >>comp.os.vms, which is unfortunate, but it is a lot better than the >>alternative.
Others here have also reported good things about news.i2pn2.org.
Simon.
Thanks Simon and Andy (Burns), for the reflections.
After some pottering about with Claws Mail for Windows, I decided to
give Mozilla Thunderbird a bash, with the i2pn2 newsfeed and was
pleasantly surprised - SPAM free, although retention of posts at i2pn2
seems to be siz months only.
Given some retro PGP requirements (Enigmail v1.9.9), I am still
running a relatively ancient v55.0 of Thunderbird, but encountered no >problems.
Looking at the filtering modes available, in Thunderbird, in the
spirit of "Semper Kludgeamus", spit, tissue, string, and gaffer tape,
how is this for a way forward until the SPAM flood abates:
1. Everyone agrees when posting a new topic to start the subject line
with a TAG: [tag}, on date DATE.
2. Everyone agrees that if someone posts a new topic without the
agreed TAG, then they do not post any solid technical content to the
topic, only reminders to the original poster, to re-post tout suite,
using the agreed TAG.
3. Anyone who wants a grief free c.o.v. life uses a Usenet text
newsreader application that enables then to specify kill filters to
match both these criteria:
a) The subject line does not include the agreed TAG
b) The post date is after the DATE that the TAG protocol discipline
was implemented.
Such a filter is possible in the cross-platform Mozilla Thunderbird,
at least.
Whomeever is flooding the SPAM, is doing so blindly, and it's
improbable that they'd pick up on the protocol in c.o.v.
Shoot the idea down, gently, and accurately. :-)
I cannot imagine there is any good reason, for people to keep
participating with the colloquy through google-groups, other than
using it for historical research, given its extensive retention.
Subcommandante XDelta wrote:
I cannot imagine there is any good reason, for people to keep
participating with the colloquy through google-groups, other than
using it for historical research, given its extensive retention.
You shouldn't rely on google to preserve the archive forever (n.b. a few years ago google users started spamming uk.telecom with credit card
data, in response google removed the group from G2, which made the
archive inaccessible).
Does info-VAX keep an archive of the mailing list traffic?
On 12/3/2023 7:56 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Subcommandante XDelta wrote:
Does info-VAX keep an archive of the mailing list traffic?
Neither http://rbnsn.com/pipermail/info-vax_rbnsn.com/ nor https://comp.os.vms.narkive.com/ seems to go back to the
beginning.
You shouldn't rely on google to preserve the archive forever (n.b. a few years ago google users started spamming uk.telecom with credit card
data, in response google removed the group from G2, which made the
archive inaccessible).
Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
On 12/3/2023 7:56 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Subcommandante XDelta wrote:
Does info-VAX keep an archive of the mailing list traffic?
Neither http://rbnsn.com/pipermail/info-vax_rbnsn.com/ nor
https://comp.os.vms.narkive.com/ seems to go back to the
beginning.
I took over the Info-VAX mailing in 2008 and, unfortunately,
didn't copy the archives from theprevious owner of the list.
Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
On 12/3/2023 7:56 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Subcommandante XDelta wrote:
Does info-VAX keep an archive of the mailing list traffic?
Neither http://rbnsn.com/pipermail/info-vax_rbnsn.com/ nor
https://comp.os.vms.narkive.com/ seems to go back to the
beginning.
I took over the Info-VAX mailing in 2008 and, unfortunately,
didn't copy the archives from theprevious owner of the list.
Ken
On 12/3/23 06:56, Andy Burns wrote:
You shouldn't rely on google to preserve the archive forever (n.b. a few
years ago google users started spamming uk.telecom with credit card
data, in response google removed the group from G2, which made the
archive inaccessible).
My personal opinion is that Google is going to eventually deprecate the Google Groups Usenet gateway and any / all history that they had will disappear. Probably more silently than we would like.
Hello Ken,
How does one currrently subscribe to Info-VAX? - Thank you.
Have you noticed how Google keeps killing the products that people still
use, but will not kill the product that many wish _would_ disappear. :-)
At 04:52 PM 12/3/2023, Subcommandante XDelta via Info-vax wrote:
Hello Ken,
How does one currrently subscribe to Info-VAX? - Thank you.
Send an email to info-vax-request@rbnsn.com
with a subject of "subscribe" (no quotes)
Ken
On 12/4/23 07:53, Simon Clubley wrote:
Have you noticed how Google keeps killing the products that people still
use, but will not kill the product that many wish _would_ disappear. :-)
Yes. Very much so.
Have you noticed that they keep making the surviving products less useful?
Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
On 12/3/2023 7:56 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Subcommandante XDelta wrote:
Does info-VAX keep an archive of the mailing list traffic?
Neither http://rbnsn.com/pipermail/info-vax_rbnsn.com/ nor
https://comp.os.vms.narkive.com/ seems to go back to the
beginning.
I took over the Info-VAX mailing in 2008 and, unfortunately,
didn't copy the archives from theprevious owner of the list.
I took over the Info-VAX mailing in 2008 and, unfortunately,
didn't copy the archives from theprevious owner of the list.
An archive of Info-VAX from 1996 to 2008 can be found here: https://theberrymans.com/decus/info-vax/
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On 12/5/23 15:30, Subcommandante XDelta wrote:
SPAM penetrating conversation threads, now? :-(
I'm not surprised.
It was bound to happen at some point.
I honestly wondered if / when spammers would simply glom onto the most
recent X messages and use them as the seed.
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Aside: Please make sure to redact any URLs in spam when quoting it.
On 12/3/23 10:11 AM, Ken Robinson wrote:
Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
On 12/3/2023 7:56 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
Subcommandante XDelta wrote:
Does info-VAX keep an archive of the mailing list traffic?
Neither http://rbnsn.com/pipermail/info-vax_rbnsn.com/ nor
https://comp.os.vms.narkive.com/ seems to go back to the
beginning.
I took over the Info-VAX mailing in 2008 and, unfortunately,
didn't copy the archives from theprevious owner of the list.
An archive of Info-VAX from 1996 to 2008 can be found here: >https://theberrymans.com/decus/info-vax/
Mark Berryman
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