Before when I issued the 'change' command to edit it would clear the screen and display the file, or at least the top screen full.

Now it just types the file out and the cursor keys do not move me to parts of the file.

I have checked and my show terminal/full still shows I am on a 'scope' and my terminal type is 'vt100' which should work with telnet under Linux.

What did I do? How do I undo it?

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On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 7:41:18 PM UTC-7, Ronald Hudson wrote:

Before when I issued the 'change' command to edit it would clear the screen and display the file, or at least the top screen full.

Now it just types the file out and the cursor keys do not move me to parts of the file.

I have checked and my show terminal/full still shows I am on a 'scope' and my terminal type is 'vt100' which should work with telnet under Linux.

What did I do? How do I undo it?

P.s. I have finally set the date properly - I am living big in 1995!
That is the biggest change since it was working.

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I may have stumbled on a workaround - I was doing this in my own login.com:

set terminal/type=6

I changed it to:

set terminal/device=vt100

Now edit is happy again...

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On 8/30/23 23:23, Ronald Hudson wrote:

I may have stumbled on a workaround - I was doing this in my own login.com:

set terminal/type=6

I changed it to:

set terminal/device=vt100

Now edit is happy again...

Remember, you can also do "set terminal/inquire", which will work for
many terminal types.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, President/Curator
Large Scale Systems Museum
New Kensington, PA

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On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:07:34 AM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote:

Remember, you can also do "set terminal/inquire", which will work for
many terminal types.

-Dave

My 'terminal' is a Linux box running a terminal emulator. I wonder what /inquire will make of that :^)
I am setting up my other laptop with an external keyboard and mouse so I have a numberpad, so far it looks like my f1 key is the gold key... I don't suppose anyone sells a VT100 clone these days.

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On 8/31/23 11:21, Ronald Hudson wrote:

On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:07:34 AM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote:

Remember, you can also do "set terminal/inquire", which will work for
many terminal types.

-Dave

My 'terminal' is a Linux box running a terminal emulator. I wonder what /inquire will make of that :^)

It should work fine, and should pick it up as a VT100.

I am setting up my other laptop with an external keyboard and mouse so I have a numberpad, so far it looks like my f1 key is the gold key... I don't suppose anyone sells a VT100 clone these days.

There are many standalone terminals on the hobbyist market, and many
shared as open-source hardware. Trouble is, they all use PeeCee keyboards.

Here's a set of X resources that I use for xterm, to make it behave reasonably well as a VT100:

---------------
XTerm*VT100.translations: #override \n \
~Shift <Key>F1: string(0x1b) string("OP") \n \
~Shift <Key>F2: string(0x1b) string("OQ") \n \
~Shift <Key>F3: string(0x1b) string("OR") \n \
~Shift <Key>F4: string(0x1b) string("OS") \n \
~Shift <Key>F5: string("Break") \n \
~Shift <Key>F6: string(0x1b) string("[17~") \n \
~Shift <Key>F7: string(0x1b) string("[18~") \n \
~Shift <Key>F8: string(0x1b) string("[19~") \n \
~Shift <Key>F9: string(0x1b) string("[20~") \n \
~Shift <Key>F10: string(0x1b) string("[21~") \n \
~Shift <Key>F11: string(0x1b) string("[23~") \n \
~Shift <Key>F12: string(0x1b) string("[24~") \n \
Shift <Key>F1: string(0x1b) string("[23~") \n \
Shift <Key>F2: string(0x1b) string("[24~") \n \
Shift <Key>F3: string(0x1b) string("[25~") \n \
Shift <Key>F4: string(0x1b) string("[26~") \n \
Shift <Key>F5: string(0x1b) string("[28~") \n \
Shift <Key>F6: string(0x1b) string("[29~") \n \
Shift <Key>F7: string(0x1b) string("[31~") \n \
Shift <Key>F8: string(0x1b) string("[32~") \n \
Shift <Key>F9: string(0x1b) string("[33~") \n \
Shift <Key>F10: string(0x1b) string("[34~") \n \
Shift <Key>F11: string(0x1b) string("[28~") \n \
Shift <Key>F12: string(0x1b) string("[29~") \n \
<Key>Print: string(0x1b) string("[28~") \n \
<Key>Cancel: string(0x1b) string("[29~") \n \
<Key>Pause: string(0x1b) string("Om") \n \
<Key>Insert: string(0x1b) string("[2~") \n \
<Key>Delete: string(0x1b) string("[3~") \n \
<Key>Home: string(0x1b) string("[1~") \n \
<Key>End: string(0x1b) string("[4~") \n \
<Key>Prior: string(0x1b) string("[5~") \n \
<Key>Next: string(0x1b) string("[6~") \n \
<Key>BackSpace: string(0x7f) \n \
<Key>Num_Lock: string(0x1b) string("OP") \n \
<Key>KP_Divide: string(0x1b) string("OQ") \n \
<Key>KP_Multiply: string(0x1b) string("OR") \n \
<Key>KP_Subtract: string(0x1b) string("OS") \n \
<Key>KP_Add: string(0x1b) string("Ol") \n \
<Key>KP_Enter: string(0x1b) string("OM") \n \
<Key>KP_Decimal: string(0x1b) string("On") \n \
<Key>KP_0: string(0x1b) string("Op") \n \
<Key>KP_1: string(0x1b) string("Oq") \n \
<Key>KP_2: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n \
<Key>KP_3: string(0x1b) string("Os") \n \
<Key>KP_4: string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n \
<Key>KP_5: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n \
<Key>KP_6: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n \
<Key>KP_7: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n \
<Key>KP_8: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n \
<Key>KP_9: string(0x1b) string("Oy") \n \
Ctrl <Key>0: string(0x1b) string("Op") \n \
Ctrl <Key>1: string(0x1b) string("Oq") \n \
Ctrl <Key>2: string(0x1b) string("Or") \n \
Ctrl <Key>3: string(0x1b) string("Os") \n \
Ctrl <Key>4: string(0x1b) string("Ot") \n \
Ctrl <Key>5: string(0x1b) string("Ou") \n \
Ctrl <Key>6: string(0x1b) string("Ov") \n \
Ctrl <Key>7: string(0x1b) string("Ow") \n \
Ctrl <Key>8: string(0x1b) string("Ox") \n \
Ctrl <Key>9: string(0x1b) string("Oy") \n \
Ctrl <Key>Return: string(0x1b) string("OM") \n \
~Shift <Key>Up: string(0x1b) string("[A") \n \
Shift <Key>Up: scroll-back(1,lines) \n \
~Shift <Key>Down: string(0x1b) string("[B") \n \
Shift <Key>Down: scroll-forw(1,lines) \n \
<Key>Right: string(0x1b) string("[C") \n \
<Key>Left: string(0x1b) string("[D")
---------------

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, President/Curator
Large Scale Systems Museum
New Kensington, PA

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On 8/31/2023 11:52 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:

On 8/31/23 11:21, Ronald Hudson wrote:

On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:07:34 AM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote:

Remember, you can also do "set terminal/inquire", which will work for
many terminal types.

-Dave

My 'terminal' is a Linux box running a terminal emulator.  I wonder
what /inquire will make of that :^)

  It should work fine, and should pick it up as a VT100.

He didn't say what terminal emulator he is using. :-)

bill

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On 8/31/2023 11:21 AM, Ronald Hudson wrote:

On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:07:34 AM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote:

Remember, you can also do "set terminal/inquire", which will work for
many terminal types.

-Dave

My 'terminal' is a Linux box running a terminal emulator. I wonder what /inquire will make of that :^)

That is up to the terminal emulator. By default Putty returns
"PuTTY" but it can be anything you want.

I am setting up my other laptop with an external keyboard and mouse so I have a numberpad, so far it looks like my f1 key is the gold key... I don't suppose anyone sells a VT100 clone these days.

Depends on your abilities. I bought a couple of small PCB's that
are supposed to be VT100 compatible terminals but haven't gotten
around do building any of them. I usually use Putty under both
Windows and Linux and it works just fine.

bill

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My 'terminal' is a Linux box running a terminal emulator. I wonder what /inquire will make of that :^)

My xterm, which hasn't been told specifically which type to emulate,
when queried about device attributes, reports:

^[[?64;1;2;6;9;15;16;17;18;21;22;28c

which translates (I think) to:

vt420
132 columns
printer
selective erase
national replacement character sets
technical characters
locator port
terminal state interrogation
user windows
horizontal scrolling
ansi color
rectangular editing

De

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On 2023-08-31 18:34, bill wrote:

On 8/31/2023 11:21 AM, Ronald Hudson wrote:

On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:07:34 AM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote:

Remember, you can also do "set terminal/inquire", which will work for
many terminal types.

-Dave

My 'terminal' is a Linux box running a terminal emulator.  I wonder
what /inquire will make of that :^)

That is up to the terminal emulator.  By default Putty returns
"PuTTY" but it can be anything you want.

How would it return "PuTTY"? The escape sequence to identify a terminal
is not answering with a string. You are probably confusing this with the terminal name that can be sent as an option in telnet or ssh sessions.

With that said, putty probably have some options for setting exactly
what to respond to the escape sequence as well, as there are first of
all the primary response, which is different for a VT100, VT102, VT102,
VT200, VT300, VT400 or VT500 (as well as having some other types in
there as well), and then there is the secondary response, which tells if
you have things like AVO, a printer port, can do color, sixel, regis,
and a whole bunch of other things...

Johnny

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On 8/31/23 12:35, bill wrote:

Remember, you can also do "set terminal/inquire", which will work for
many terminal types.

My 'terminal' is a Linux box running a terminal emulator.  I wonder
what /inquire will make of that :^)

   It should work fine, and should pick it up as a VT100.

He didn't say what terminal emulator he is using.  :-)

Hi Bill! Earlier he did mention connecting from a Linux box, which
will be either xterm or similar, which will identify themselves as a
VT100. By default, anyway; the response string can be changed.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, President/Curator
Large Scale Systems Museum
New Kensington, PA

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On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 12:22:29 PM UTC-7, Ronald Hudson wrote:

He didn't say what terminal emulator he is using. :-)

I am using both Putty and the Konsole program (which Is the native terminal program for KDE).
I just found in Putty there is a setting under 'Keyboard' (I think) that lets you specify VT100 keycodes.

I have worked up a cheat sheet for Putty/VT100 when using EDIT *change mode. How can I attach it (it is in LibreOffice write

Further detail, but I think I am repeating myself, I SSH into the server where simh is running. Then from there I Telnet localhost 10000 and I am connected to one of the DZs then I seem to have to hit return 2 or 3 times to get the system's attention
whereupon it asks me for my PPN.

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He didn't say what terminal emulator he is using. :-)

I am using both Putty and the Konsole program (which Is the native terminal program for KDE).
I just found in Putty there is a setting under 'Keyboard' (I think) that lets you specify VT100 keycodes.

I have worked up a cheat sheet for Putty/VT100 when using EDIT *change mode. How can I attach it (it is in LibreOffice write

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On 8/31/23 15:26, Ronald Hudson wrote:

Further detail, but I think I am repeating myself, I SSH into the server where simh is running. Then from there I Telnet localhost 10000 and I am connected to one of the DZs then I seem to have to hit return 2 or 3 times to get the system's attention

whereupon it asks me for my PPN.

Why don't you just telnet directly to the machine? If it's on the
local network, there shouldn't be any worry of people sniffing packets. Assuming unencrypted telnet.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, President/Curator
Large Scale Systems Museum
New Kensington, PA

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On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 2:00:04 PM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote:

On 8/31/23 15:26, Ronald Hudson wrote:

Further detail, but I think I am repeating myself, I SSH into the server where simh is running. Then from there I Telnet localhost 10000 and I am connected to one of the DZs then I seem to have to hit return 2 or 3 times to get the system's attention

whereupon it asks me for my PPN.

Why don't you just telnet directly to the machine? If it's on the
local network, there shouldn't be any worry of people sniffing packets. Assuming unencrypted telnet.
-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, President/Curator
Large Scale Systems Museum
New Kensington, PA

I was worried about the fact that Linux now supports IPV6, which is routeable. I really don't know much about IPV6 so Firewall on the server only allows SSH in. I am working on setting up Fail2Ban too.
I sure wish I could SSH into simh.

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On 8/31/23 20:20, bill wrote:

Remember, you can also do "set terminal/inquire", which will work for >>>>> many terminal types.

My 'terminal' is a Linux box running a terminal emulator.  I wonder
what /inquire will make of that :^)

That is up to the terminal emulator.  By default Putty returns
"PuTTY" but it can be anything you want.

How would it return "PuTTY"? The escape sequence to identify a
terminal is not answering with a string. You are probably confusing
this with the terminal name that can be sent as an option in telnet or
ssh sessions.

On the "Terminal" setup screen it says:
Answerback to ^E

and has text block below it with "PuTTY" in it by default.

I just tried it on my Linux box and sending a ^E to putty  did, in
fact, return "PuTTY".  Windows version did the same. Changing it to
"VT100" caused it to return VT100.

That's the answerback string. That's not the same as querying for
the terminal type. The answerback string is an ASCII string, and that's
not what's retrieved with "set term/inq".

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, President/Curator
Large Scale Systems Museum
New Kensington, PA

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On 8/31/2023 12:50 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:

On 2023-08-31 18:34, bill wrote:

On 8/31/2023 11:21 AM, Ronald Hudson wrote:

On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:07:34 AM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote:

Remember, you can also do "set terminal/inquire", which will work for
many terminal types.

-Dave

My 'terminal' is a Linux box running a terminal emulator.  I wonder
what /inquire will make of that :^)

That is up to the terminal emulator.  By default Putty returns
"PuTTY" but it can be anything you want.

How would it return "PuTTY"? The escape sequence to identify a terminal
is not answering with a string. You are probably confusing this with the terminal name that can be sent as an option in telnet or ssh sessions.

On the "Terminal" setup screen it says:
Answerback to ^E

and has text block below it with "PuTTY" in it by default.

I just tried it on my Linux box and sending a ^E to putty did, in
fact, return "PuTTY". Windows version did the same. Changing it to
"VT100" caused it to return VT100.

With that said, putty probably have some options for setting exactly
what to respond to the escape sequence as well, as there are first of
all the primary response, which is different for a VT100, VT102, VT102, VT200, VT300, VT400 or VT500 (as well as having some other types in
there as well), and then there is the secondary response, which tells if
you have things like AVO, a printer port, can do color, sixel, regis,
and a whole bunch of other things...

  Johnny

bill

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On 2023-08-31 18:46, Dennis Boone wrote:

> My 'terminal' is a Linux box running a terminal emulator. I wonder what
> /inquire will make of that :^)

My xterm, which hasn't been told specifically which type to emulate,
when queried about device attributes, reports:

^[[?64;1;2;6;9;15;16;17;18;21;22;28c

which translates (I think) to:

vt420
132 columns
printer
selective erase
national replacement character sets
technical characters
locator port
terminal state interrogation
user windows
horizontal scrolling
ansi color
rectangular editing

Interesting. I've never seen an xterm version that identified as a VT420 before.

What version of xterm, on what kind of system?

Johnny

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On 2023-09-01 02:20, bill wrote:

On 8/31/2023 12:50 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:

On 2023-08-31 18:34, bill wrote:

On 8/31/2023 11:21 AM, Ronald Hudson wrote:

On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 8:07:34 AM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote: >>>>

Remember, you can also do "set terminal/inquire", which will work for >>>>> many terminal types.

-Dave

My 'terminal' is a Linux box running a terminal emulator.  I wonder
what /inquire will make of that :^)

That is up to the terminal emulator.  By default Putty returns
"PuTTY" but it can be anything you want.

How would it return "PuTTY"? The escape sequence to identify a
terminal is not answering with a string. You are probably confusing
this with the terminal name that can be sent as an option in telnet or
ssh sessions.

On the "Terminal" setup screen it says:
Answerback to ^E

and has text block below it with "PuTTY" in it by default.

I just tried it on my Linux box and sending a ^E to putty  did, in
fact, return "PuTTY".  Windows version did the same. Changing it to
"VT100" caused it to return VT100.

Yes... And the answerback message can be set to anything, and is *not*
used to figure out what terminal you have.

On a real VT100, you go into setup and press (I think it is) SHIFT+A,
and then you can type in what you want the terminal to respond as the answerback message.

It's completely unrelated to how you identify what terminal you have.

Johnny

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Interesting. I've never seen an xterm version that identified as a VT420 before.

What version of xterm, on what kind of system?

344 and 379 on two different Debian releases.

De

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