• Re: Hello -- is anybody still READY ?

    From Ronald Hudson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 24 17:26:11 2023
    Hi Everyone,

    I am kind of a late comer to this group, I am playing with RSTS/E V10.1 under SIMH. So far I have two questions but I am not sure how to find answers for them.

    1) How to get to DCL from BASIC+ ? I have the PDF of "RSTS/E V10 Quick Reference Manual" but I don't see a clear command to get out of Basic Plus back to DCL

    2)I would like to get telnet working, I am running SIMH on my server, and for now I SSH to the server and then su - rsts and finally screen -r to get access to the console TTY - The server is running Debian Linux (12 bookworm).

    I have been able to create myself a user, so that is nice.

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  • From Dave McGuire@21:1/5 to Ronald Hudson on Thu Aug 24 21:08:44 2023
    On 8/24/23 20:26, Ronald Hudson wrote:
    I am kind of a late comer to this group, I am playing with RSTS/E V10.1 under SIMH. So far I have two questions but I am not sure how to find answers for them.

    Nice!

    1) How to get to DCL from BASIC+ ? I have the PDF of "RSTS/E V10 Quick Reference Manual" but I don't see a clear command to get out of Basic Plus back to DCL

    If you started BASIC by running BASIC, use "BYE" to exit to DCL. If
    you're in the BASIC runtime system (i.e. "sw basic"), you can "sw dcl"
    to get back to the DCL runtime system.

    2)I would like to get telnet working, I am running SIMH on my server, and for now I SSH to the server and then su - rsts and finally screen -r to get access to the console TTY - The server is running Debian Linux (12 bookworm).

    In your simh configuraiton, you can do:

    set console telnet=<port>

    ...and give it a port number. That's from notes of mine from about
    fifteen years ago, so make appropriate adjustments (see the docs) if the
    syntax has changed. That will allow you console access.

    What you probably really want to do, though, is create a serial mux
    device like a DZ11, and plumb it out to TCP ports. Try something like
    this in your simh config:

    set dz lines=8
    attach -am dz 4000

    Then you'll have eight ports starting at 4000, which RSTS/E will see
    as physical ports connected to a DZ11 board.

    Don't forget to add the DZ11 to your RSTS/E monitor. Do "HA LI" at
    the <start> prompt at boot time to see if RSTS/E sees the DZ11.

    I have been able to create myself a user, so that is nice.

    :-)

    -Dave

    --
    Dave McGuire, President/Curator
    Large Scale Systems Museum
    New Kensington, PA

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  • From John H Reinhardt@21:1/5 to Dave McGuire on Thu Aug 24 21:35:24 2023
    On 8/24/2023 8:08 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
    On 8/24/23 20:26, Ronald Hudson wrote:
    I am kind of a late comer to this group, I am playing with RSTS/E V10.1  under SIMH.  So far I have two questions but I am not sure how to find answers for them.

      Nice!

    1) How to get to DCL from BASIC+ ?  I have the PDF of "RSTS/E V10  Quick Reference Manual" but I don't see a clear command to get out of Basic Plus back to DCL

      If you started BASIC by running BASIC, use "BYE" to exit to DCL.  If you're in the BASIC runtime system (i.e. "sw basic"), you can "sw dcl" to get back to the DCL runtime system.

    2)I would like to get telnet working, I am running SIMH on my server, and for now I SSH to the server and then su - rsts and finally screen -r to get access to the console TTY - The server is running Debian Linux (12 bookworm).

      In your simh configuraiton, you can do:

    set console telnet=<port>

      ...and give it a port number.  That's from notes of mine from about fifteen years ago, so make appropriate adjustments (see the docs) if the syntax has changed.  That will allow you console access.

      What you probably really want to do, though, is create a serial mux device like a DZ11, and plumb it out to TCP ports.  Try something like this in your simh config:

    set dz lines=8
    attach -am dz 4000

      Then you'll have eight ports starting at 4000, which RSTS/E will see as physical ports connected to a DZ11 board.

      Don't forget to add the DZ11 to your RSTS/E monitor.  Do "HA LI" at the <start> prompt at boot time to see if RSTS/E sees the DZ11.

    I have been able to create myself a user, so that is nice.

      :-)

              -Dave


    Nice to see some traffic here!

    I'd help but my only experience with RSTS/E (so far) is V6 and V7.0 and that was back in 1978 - 1983.

    John H. Reinhardt

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  • From Ronald Hudson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 24 21:05:20 2023
    Thanks again Dave,

    SW DCL and SW BASIC have worked!

    Once upon a time, I was a VAX system operator. DCL is gonna be great fun. Basic Plus is the King of line numbered basics.

    The website for your museum is interesting, but I am in Sacramento CA so it will be some time before I can go look. But if I am ever out there I will go look!

    Ron.

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  • From Ronald Hudson@21:1/5 to Dave McGuire on Thu Aug 24 21:01:53 2023
    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote:
    On 8/24/23 20:26, Ronald Hudson wrote:
    I am kind of a late comer to this group, I am playing with RSTS/E V10.1 under SIMH. So far I have two questions but I am not sure how to find answers for them.
    Nice!
    1) How to get to DCL from BASIC+ ? I have the PDF of "RSTS/E V10 Quick Reference Manual" but I don't see a clear command to get out of Basic Plus back to DCL
    If you started BASIC by running BASIC, use "BYE" to exit to DCL. If
    you're in the BASIC runtime system (i.e. "sw basic"), you can "sw dcl"
    to get back to the DCL runtime system.
    2)I would like to get telnet working, I am running SIMH on my server, and for now I SSH to the server and then su - rsts and finally screen -r to get access to the console TTY - The server is running Debian Linux (12 bookworm).
    In your simh configuraiton, you can do:

    set console telnet=<port>

    ...and give it a port number. That's from notes of mine from about
    fifteen years ago, so make appropriate adjustments (see the docs) if the syntax has changed. That will allow you console access.

    What you probably really want to do, though, is create a serial mux
    device like a DZ11, and plumb it out to TCP ports. Try something like
    this in your simh config:

    set dz lines=8
    attach -am dz 4000

    Then you'll have eight ports starting at 4000, which RSTS/E will see
    as physical ports connected to a DZ11 board.

    Don't forget to add the DZ11 to your RSTS/E monitor. Do "HA LI" at
    the <start> prompt at boot time to see if RSTS/E sees the DZ11.
    I have been able to create myself a user, so that is nice.
    :-)

    -Dave

    --
    Dave McGuire, President/Curator
    Large Scale Systems Museum
    New Kensington, PA

    Hi Dave!

    Thanks for your helpful reply! I think I had tried both of those, but just to be sure I will try them again. I think bye just logged me out, the other command garnered a "What?" sort of response. I will go try both of those right now. Will update again
    soon.

    There is one other item that vexes me- What date range will this thing accept? I try random dates in the format dd-MMM-yy and so far I have had to throw dates until it finally bought one. I wrote it down - 1965. I thought I had heard that V10.1 was y2k
    compliant.

    Thanks again for your quick response!

    Ron.

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  • From Ronald Hudson@21:1/5 to Dave McGuire on Thu Aug 24 21:30:12 2023
    Hi Dave,
    This did not work, as I tried to connect to the port I had set up, the telnet timed out and the simulation stopped.
    I guess RSTS won't work without a console terminal.

    I will wait until I can nail down the DZ <--> Telnet. Until then I use Screen to re-attach to the console terminal and work from there. I can even step away leaving the user logged in and come back.

    On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 6:08:46 PM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote:

    In your simh configuraiton, you can do:

    set console telnet=<port>

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  • From Johnny Billquist@21:1/5 to Ronald Hudson on Fri Aug 25 11:44:39 2023
    On 2023-08-25 06:01, Ronald Hudson wrote:
    Hi Dave!

    Thanks for your helpful reply! I think I had tried both of those, but just to be sure I will try them again. I think bye just logged me out, the other command garnered a "What?" sort of response. I will go try both of those right now. Will update
    again soon.

    BYE would indeed log you out. SW DCL should do the trick. But in case
    it's a bit cagey, maybe try $SW DCL

    There is one other item that vexes me- What date range will this thing accept? I try random dates in the format dd-MMM-yy and so far I have had to throw dates until it finally bought one. I wrote it down - 1965. I thought I had heard that V10.1 was
    y2k compliant.

    Did you ever try the year with four digits?

    Johnny

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  • From John H Reinhardt@21:1/5 to Ronald Hudson on Fri Aug 25 05:37:13 2023
    On 8/24/2023 11:01 PM, Ronald Hudson wrote:
    There is one other item that vexes me- What date range will this thing accept? I try random dates in the format dd-MMM-yy and so far I have had to throw dates until it finally bought one. I wrote it down - 1965. I thought I had heard that V10.1 was
    y2k compliant.

    It's not. There is a patch out there somewhere... Maybe not. I only have patches up to V9.6 so maybe I never did find a 10.1 Y2K

    If anyone has it it might be Johnny

    Found one place https://github.com/agn453/RSTS-E I think it's there someplace.

    Here's one example of SimH running RSTS/E 10.1

    https://supratim-sanyal.blogspot.com/2019/03/deploying-pdp-1173-running-rstse-101.html




    Thanks again for your quick response!

    Ron.

    John H. Reinhardt

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  • From Dave McGuire@21:1/5 to Ronald Hudson on Fri Aug 25 08:07:44 2023
    On 8/25/23 00:05, Ronald Hudson wrote:
    Thanks again Dave,

    SW DCL and SW BASIC have worked!

    Great!

    Once upon a time, I was a VAX system operator. DCL is gonna be great fun. Basic Plus is the King of line numbered basics.

    I too was a VAX system operator, on an 11/750, a couple of 3600s and
    a few 3100s, back in the day. I've run similar machines at home since
    those days, and now we at LSSM have a great many of them.

    We even have a 9000, which was clearly designed by aliens. ;)

    The website for your museum is interesting, but I am in Sacramento CA so it will be some time before I can go look. But if I am ever out there I will go look!

    Ah, that's no excuse. We regularly have visitors from Europe.
    California is practically next door! ;) But yes, given your background
    I think you'd love it.

    -Dave

    --
    Dave McGuire, President/Curator
    Large Scale Systems Museum
    New Kensington, PA

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  • From Johnny Billquist@21:1/5 to Dave McGuire on Fri Aug 25 14:14:41 2023
    On 2023-08-25 14:07, Dave McGuire wrote:
    On 8/25/23 00:05, Ronald Hudson wrote:
    Once upon a time, I was a VAX system operator.  DCL is gonna be great
    fun.
    Basic Plus is the King of line numbered basics.

      I too was a VAX system operator, on an 11/750, a couple of 3600s and
    a few 3100s, back in the day.  I've run similar machines at home since
    those days, and now we at LSSM have a great many of them.

      We even have a 9000, which was clearly designed by aliens. ;)

    Is it runnable? That is a machine I would really like to play with...
    I have a module from a 9000 at home, but that's about it.

    Johnny

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  • From Johnny Billquist@21:1/5 to Dave McGuire on Fri Aug 25 14:10:41 2023
    On 2023-08-25 14:04, Dave McGuire wrote:
    On 8/25/23 05:44, Johnny Billquist wrote:
    Thanks for your helpful reply!  I think I had tried both of those,
    but just to be sure I will try them again. I think bye just logged me
    out, the other command garnered a "What?" sort of response.  I will
    go try both of those right now. Will update again soon.

    BYE would indeed log you out. SW DCL should do the trick. But in case
    it's a bit cagey, maybe try $SW DCL

      My mistake, it's not BYE, it's EXIT.  That's when running BASIC directly, rather than switching to it as a runtime system using SWITCH.

    Running directly... That would be BASIC+2, would it not? I don't think
    you can "run" BASIC+. It's an RTS and a KBM.

      BYE will only log you out if you're in BASIC via switching to it as a runtime system.

    I think we need to keep BP and BP2 separate, as they don't really work
    the same way.

    Johnny

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  • From Dave McGuire@21:1/5 to Johnny Billquist on Fri Aug 25 08:04:51 2023
    On 8/25/23 05:44, Johnny Billquist wrote:
    Thanks for your helpful reply!  I think I had tried both of those, but
    just to be sure I will try them again. I think bye just logged me out,
    the other command garnered a "What?" sort of response.  I will go try
    both of those right now. Will update again soon.

    BYE would indeed log you out. SW DCL should do the trick. But in case
    it's a bit cagey, maybe try $SW DCL

    My mistake, it's not BYE, it's EXIT. That's when running BASIC
    directly, rather than switching to it as a runtime system using SWITCH.

    BYE will only log you out if you're in BASIC via switching to it as a runtime system.

    -Dave

    --
    Dave McGuire, President/Curator
    Large Scale Systems Museum
    New Kensington, PA

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  • From Johnny Billquist@21:1/5 to John H Reinhardt on Fri Aug 25 14:27:37 2023
    On 2023-08-25 12:37, John H Reinhardt wrote:
    On 8/24/2023 11:01 PM, Ronald Hudson wrote:
    There is one other item that vexes me- What date range will this thing
    accept?  I try random dates in the format dd-MMM-yy and so far I have
    had to throw dates until it finally bought one. I wrote it down -
    1965. I thought I had heard that V10.1 was y2k compliant.

    It's not.  There is a patch out there somewhere...  Maybe not. I only
    have patches up to V9.6 so maybe I never did find a 10.1 Y2K

    Oh. Checking at Mentec, yes, they did 10.1A, which was when Y2K was
    fixed up.

    If anyone has it it might be Johnny

    Afraid I've been bad at caring for anything but RSX... :-(

    Found one place  https://github.com/agn453/RSTS-E  I think it's there someplace.

    That looks pretty good.

    Johnny

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  • From Dave McGuire@21:1/5 to Johnny Billquist on Fri Aug 25 09:04:08 2023
    On 8/25/23 08:14, Johnny Billquist wrote:
       We even have a 9000, which was clearly designed by aliens. ;)

    Is it runnable? That is a machine I would really like to play with...
    I have a module from a 9000 at home, but that's about it.

    It's complete, but I doubt even LSSM's main building has sufficient
    power to fire that machine up.

    When it arrived, we decided to de-prioritize getting it running. In discussions here we figured we'd do a lot of work and spend a lot of
    money to get all the power wiring done, and then in the end we'd
    have...another VMS machine.

    Though the hardware is damn impressive.

    -Dave

    --
    Dave McGuire, President/Curator
    Large Scale Systems Museum
    New Kensington, PA

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  • From Dave McGuire@21:1/5 to Johnny Billquist on Fri Aug 25 08:54:55 2023
    On 8/25/23 08:10, Johnny Billquist wrote:
    Thanks for your helpful reply!  I think I had tried both of those,
    but just to be sure I will try them again. I think bye just logged
    me out, the other command garnered a "What?" sort of response.  I
    will go try both of those right now. Will update again soon.

    BYE would indeed log you out. SW DCL should do the trick. But in case
    it's a bit cagey, maybe try $SW DCL

       My mistake, it's not BYE, it's EXIT.  That's when running BASIC
    directly, rather than switching to it as a runtime system using SWITCH.

    Running directly... That would be BASIC+2, would it not? I don't think
    you can "run" BASIC+. It's an RTS and a KBM.

    Yes, BP2, that's correct. (it was late..)

       BYE will only log you out if you're in BASIC via switching to it as
    a runtime system.

    I think we need to keep BP and BP2 separate, as they don't really work
    the same way.

    Yes, I agree. Again it was late. ;)

    -Dave

    --
    Dave McGuire, President/Curator
    Large Scale Systems Museum
    New Kensington, PA

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  • From Ronald Hudson@21:1/5 to Dave McGuire on Fri Aug 25 06:26:47 2023
    My posse was a VAX 11/780, 2 VAX 11/750, a bunch of Data General Nova (I think), A ring of Apollo workstations, and a Symbolics machine. And a Gandalf switch to connect all the terminals to all the systems. My major job was running backups at night and
    keeping the tape library tidy.

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:07:46 AM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote:
    I too was a VAX system operator, on an 11/750, a couple of 3600s and
    a few 3100s, back in the day. I've run similar machines at home since
    those days, and now we at LSSM have a great many of them.

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  • From Dave McGuire@21:1/5 to Ronald Hudson on Tue Aug 29 21:02:57 2023
    Very nice! We (LSSM), this past weekend, just picked up two more VAX-11/750s, a few PDP-11s, a bunch of RA81s and RL02s from a prominent
    DEC guy who has fallen ill. It was a sad thing, but he knows his
    treasures will have a good home.

    More DEC == more better. :)

    -Dave

    On 8/25/23 09:26, Ronald Hudson wrote:
    My posse was a VAX 11/780, 2 VAX 11/750, a bunch of Data General Nova (I think), A ring of Apollo workstations, and a Symbolics machine. And a Gandalf switch to connect all the terminals to all the systems. My major job was running backups at night and
    keeping the tape library tidy.

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 5:07:46 AM UTC-7, Dave McGuire wrote:
    I too was a VAX system operator, on an 11/750, a couple of 3600s and
    a few 3100s, back in the day. I've run similar machines at home since
    those days, and now we at LSSM have a great many of them.

    --
    Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
    New Kensington, PA

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