From: "Allan" <allan2@warpspeed.dyndns.dk>
Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp 4 in VMware

On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 17:42:55 UTC, Jim Peters <jpeters846@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I'm getting conflicting information regarding running OS/2 Warp 4

in

VMware. Some sources say it's possible while others say it's not.

Can anyone please let me know if they are running Warp 4 in VMware
it's working out for them? I am looking to run Warp 4.52 under VMwa
6.5.

[...]

eComStation is supported in VMware, so Warp 4.52 should work too,
but I have never tried it.

I had no luck runnig either in VMWare.

I have however been running eComstation under VirtualBox for many yea
and that works really really well - with hardware VT-X/AMD-V enabled.
I'm not sure, why you call this for 'Desktop virtualization' - eCS ru
as fast as guest, as on real hw.

This is the way I've got eCS 2.2 set up here on my end.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

From: Jim Peters <jpeters846@yahoo.com>
Subject: OS/2 Warp 4 in VMware

I'm getting conflicting information regarding running OS/2 Warp 4 in
VMware. Some sources say it's possible while others say it's not.

Can anyone please let me know if they are running Warp 4 in VMware an
it's working out for them? I am looking to run Warp 4.52 under VMware
6.5.

If VMware isn't a possibility, how is Hyper-V support? I'd prefer to
run in VIrtualbox as a dedicated virtualization host would be prefera
to desktop virtualization if at all possible.

Your best bet, if you want to virtualize OS/2, is setting up VirtualBox
(from virtualbox.org -- it's free and opensource) and running it that
way. Plus, VirtualBox is supported on multiple platforms (Windows,
Linux, OS X, etc).

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: comp.os.os2.misc

On Mon, 5 Dec 2016, Allan wrote:

I'm not sure, why you call this for 'Desktop virtualization' - eCS runs just as fast as guest, as on real hw.

Desktop virtualization refers to virtualization platforms that run on top
of a host OS; Virtualbox, Parallels, VMware Fusion, etc. all fall into
this category.

The phrasing of my original question could have been clearer: what I
was enquiring about were bare-metal hypervisors such as VMware ESXi. This
is the most preferable method for me to work with since it provides the
best portability of the VM in my environment.

BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
FUT comp.os.os2.misc

Appreciate the pointer.

Jim.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: comp.os.os2.misc

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 02:11:41 UTC, Jim Peters <jpeters846@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Hi,

The phrasing of my original question could have been clearer: what I
was enquiring about were bare-metal hypervisors such as VMware ESXi.

FWIW, I'm not sure why you have not just tried it. It's pretty
trivial to add another virtual to an ESXi setup, unless you are
resource constrained.

If it makes you feel more comfortable, I know folks that run VMWare
vSphere ESXi on boxes such as an IBM 3650 M3 7945-AC1 with multiple
flavors of OS/2 installed. Needles to say, they run fast.

BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
FUT comp.os.os2.misc

The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters. By
definition trolls do not think of themselves as trolls. They tend to
be output only, so anything you say to them in unlike to affect their
actions.

Steven


--
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Steven Levine <steve53@earthlink.bogus.net>
DIY/Warp/BlueLion etc. www.scoug.com www.arcanoae.com www.warpcave.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: comp.os.os2.misc

Allan wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:21:29 UTC, "Steven Levine" <steve53@nomail.earthlink.net> wrote:

BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real >>>> users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
FUT comp.os.os2.misc

The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters.

The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group anymore - only spammerz and trollz. No filters help, if there are no real uses back !

Yet, quickly looking (c.o.os2.misc), the majority of posters are using
Pronews, with some TB and SM for OS/2 and even IBM Newsreader/2 2.0.
Now some are perhaps running OS/2 in a virtual machine but I do know a
few of us are running on real hardware. I've stayed away from
c.o.o.advocacy for some time if that's what you're talking about.
Dave

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: comp.os.os2.misc

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:21:29 UTC, "Steven Levine" <steve53@nomail.earthlink.net> wrote:

BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
FUT comp.os.os2.misc

The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters.

The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group
anymore - only spammerz and trollz. No filters help, if there are no real
uses back !

--
Allan.

It is better to close your mouth, and look like a fool,
than to open it, and remove all doubt.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: comp.os.os2.misc

Dave Yeo wrote:

Allan wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:21:29 UTC, "Steven Levine"
<steve53@nomail.earthlink.net> wrote:

BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because
all real
users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
FUT comp.os.os2.misc

The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters.

The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group
anymore - only spammerz and trollz. No filters help, if there are no real
uses back !

Yet, quickly looking (c.o.os2.misc), the majority of posters are using Pronews, with some TB and SM for OS/2 and even IBM Newsreader/2 2.0.
Now some are perhaps running OS/2 in a virtual machine but I do know a
few of us are running on real hardware. I've stayed away from
c.o.o.advocacy for some time if that's what you're talking about.
Dave

OK, looking at c.o.o.advocacy, I guess that is the newsgroup you
referred to. Hasn't changed much besides less traffic
Dave

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: comp.os.os2.misc

Allan schrieb:

The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group anymore

that's not true, some of "us" are still here - even without writing
anything ...
--

kind regards,

Thorolf

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: comp.os.os2.misc

On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 03:06:19 UTC, Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com>
wrote:

Allan wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:21:29 UTC, "Steven Levine" <steve53@nomail.earthlink.net> wrote:

BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real
users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so
FUT comp.os.os2.misc

The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters.

The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group anymore - only spammerz and trollz. No filters help, if there are no real uses back !

Yet, quickly looking (c.o.os2.misc), the majority of posters are using Pronews, with some TB and SM for OS/2 and even IBM Newsreader/2 2.0.
Now some are perhaps running OS/2 in a virtual machine but I do know a
few of us are running on real hardware. I've stayed away from
c.o.o.advocacy for some time if that's what you're talking about.
Dave

I'm using ProNews in a Parallels Desktop VM on an iMac. It's the
only thing I use OS/2 for, because I've never found a native Mac
newsreader that meets my needs as well as ProNews does.

--
John Varela

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: comp.os.os2.misc

John Varela wrote:

On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 03:06:19 UTC, Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com>
wrote:

Allan wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:21:29 UTC, "Steven Levine" <steve53@nomail.earthlink.net> wrote:

BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real
users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so >>>>>> FUT comp.os.os2.misc

The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters.

The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group
anymore - only spammerz and trollz. No filters help, if there are no real >>> uses back !

Yet, quickly looking (c.o.os2.misc), the majority of posters are using
Pronews, with some TB and SM for OS/2 and even IBM Newsreader/2 2.0.
Now some are perhaps running OS/2 in a virtual machine but I do know a
few of us are running on real hardware. I've stayed away from
c.o.o.advocacy for some time if that's what you're talking about.
Dave

I'm using ProNews in a Parallels Desktop VM on an iMac. It's the
only thing I use OS/2 for, because I've never found a native Mac
newsreader that meets my needs as well as ProNews does.

Even lightly using OS/2 means that you're probably not hanging out just
to troll.
Dave

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: comp.os.os2.misc

On Thu, 5 Jan 2017 19:07:36 UTC, Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com>
wrote:

John Varela wrote:

On Wed, 4 Jan 2017 03:06:19 UTC, Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com>
wrote:

Allan wrote:

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:21:29 UTC, "Steven Levine" <steve53@nomail.earthlink.net> wrote:

BTW, this is really a bad group for real OS/2 questions, because all real
users have fled a long time ago, due to a lot of trolls in here, so >>>>>> FUT comp.os.os2.misc

The only solution for trolls is your newsreader's filters.

The point I tried to make was - that no real OS/2 users read this group >>> anymore - only spammerz and trollz. No filters help, if there are no real >>> uses back !

Yet, quickly looking (c.o.os2.misc), the majority of posters are using
Pronews, with some TB and SM for OS/2 and even IBM Newsreader/2 2.0.
Now some are perhaps running OS/2 in a virtual machine but I do know a
few of us are running on real hardware. I've stayed away from
c.o.o.advocacy for some time if that's what you're talking about.
Dave

I'm using ProNews in a Parallels Desktop VM on an iMac. It's the
only thing I use OS/2 for, because I've never found a native Mac
newsreader that meets my needs as well as ProNews does.

Even lightly using OS/2 means that you're probably not hanging out just
to troll.
Dave

I've been here since The OS/2 Guy was a lad.

--
John Varela

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

XPost: comp.os.os2.misc

On Tue, 3 Jan 2017, Steven Levine wrote:

FWIW, I'm not sure why you have not just tried it. It's pretty
trivial to add another virtual to an ESXi setup, unless you are
resource constrained.

No resource constraints involved other than the potential client not
having actually retained my services yet.

My enquiries are stemming from a discussion I had with that person.
Apparently they're running some legacy OS/2 Warp 4 machines at a number of locations, are concerned about the longevity of the hardware as well as compatibility with modern hardware (as well as being able to snapshot,
etc.), and would like to move them into a virtualized environment.

There's no good way to do an OS/2 P2V that I've found - taking the box
down, removing the drive and imaging it, then converting that image to a
VM and praying that the original hardware will come back up as Plan B if
the P2V fails is about the best idea I've run across.

From the standpoint of managing risk, it would likely be preferable to
keep the existing machines live, do a fresh VM install with the
appropriate software, then copy over configuration files, etc. as needed.

Unfortunately, as these machines are currently running voicemail systems
for approximately 1000 users, they can be considered production-sensitive. Unfortunately, their earliest planned replacement date is 2020 and they
need to be stable until then, so... Virtualize them.

Jim.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)