• Doodle

    From baden@baden.nu@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 1 19:05:05 2019
    Hi:(Dave?)

    I really like the Cairo Clock, so I had Doodle Screen saver installed on my Franken OS/2, which is now almost pure ArcaOS 5.0, with my old ini files overlayed on top. To deal with the former (not in 'Properties'), I installed (ANPM) Doodle 2.1 from
    Hobbes, and it ran swell for a few weeks. However, a week ago, I noticed my mouse disappeared, and I traced that to Doodle. If I uninstall Doodle, the mouse cursor immediately reappears.

    Are you aware of any similar symptoms?

    I went to check out the WWW, and it looked like there is a new version:

    https://ecsoft2.org/comment/1068#comment-1068

    But, both links give "404".

    I see, the italiano links to Infozip and Warpin, the full link below has a downloadable exe.

    thanks for your help,
    Baden

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  • From Harald Kamm@21:1/5 to baden@baden.nu on Tue Jul 2 05:04:23 2019
    On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 02:05:05 UTC, "baden@baden.nu" <baden@baden.nu> wrote:

    I went to check out the WWW, and it looked like there is a new version:

    https://ecsoft2.org/comment/1068#comment-1068

    The link to version 2.3 works just fine. Otherwise you may download it at:

    http://cyberia.dnsalias.com/Gfd.App.Gfx.Htm

    Best, Harald

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  • From Dave Yeo@21:1/5 to baden@baden.nu on Wed Jul 3 23:28:14 2019
    baden@baden.nu wrote:
    Hi:(Dave?)

    I really like the Cairo Clock, so I had Doodle Screen saver installed on my Franken OS/2, which is now almost pure ArcaOS 5.0, with my old ini files overlayed on top. To deal with the former (not in 'Properties'), I installed (ANPM) Doodle 2.1 from
    Hobbes, and it ran swell for a few weeks. However, a week ago, I noticed my mouse disappeared, and I traced that to Doodle. If I uninstall Doodle, the mouse cursor immediately reappears.

    Are you aware of any similar symptoms?

    Did you update Freetype from the netlabs exp repository? If so, upgrade
    it again as 2.10.0-1 broke the Cairo modules, fixed in 2.10.0-2.
    That's all I'm aware of for bugs.


    I went to check out the WWW, and it looked like there is a new version:

    https://ecsoft2.org/comment/1068#comment-1068

    But, both links give "404".

    I see, the italiano links to Infozip and Warpin, the full link below has a downloadable exe.


    It's the Bitbucket link, https://bitbucket.org/dryeo/doodle-screen-saver/downloads/dssaver_v23.exe. Mostly just compilation option changes
    Dave

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  • From baden@baden.nu@21:1/5 to Dave Yeo on Thu Jul 4 13:02:20 2019
    On Thursday, 4 July 2019 01:28:43 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    baden@baden.nu wrote:
    Hi:(Dave?)

    I really like the Cairo Clock, so I had Doodle Screen saver installed on my Franken OS/2, which is now almost pure ArcaOS 5.0, with my old ini files overlayed on top. To deal with the former (not in 'Properties'), I installed (ANPM) Doodle 2.1 from
    Hobbes, and it ran swell for a few weeks. However, a week ago, I noticed my mouse disappeared, and I traced that to Doodle. If I uninstall Doodle, the mouse cursor immediately reappears.

    Are you aware of any similar symptoms?

    Did you update Freetype from the netlabs exp repository? If so, upgrade

    For the record, that URL is:

    http://rpm.netlabs.org/experimental/00/zip/

    it again as 2.10.0-1 broke the Cairo modules, fixed in 2.10.0-2.
    That's all I'm aware of for bugs.

    I concur that there are probably font issues. I
    have the following identically named DLLs, the latest
    from your suggestion:

    2019/06/18 02:28:00 418401 F:\Applications\freetype-2_10_0-2_oc00\@unixroot\usr\lib\freetyp6.dll
    2017/03/01 07:41:20 389797 F:\usr\lib\freetyp6.dll
    2016/02/26 08:56:18 380134 F:\OS2_Apps\DLL\freetyp6.dll
    2015/07/29 20:59:18 356427 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.42.9esr.en-US.os2\seamonkey\freetyp6.dll

    I also have problems running SeaMonkey(s) and
    Firefox(s) since I updated to ArcaOS, so I may need to
    allocate some time to figure this font stuff out.

    thanks,
    Baden

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  • From Dave Yeo@21:1/5 to baden@baden.nu on Thu Jul 4 19:37:08 2019
    On 07/04/19 01:02 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    On Thursday, 4 July 2019 01:28:43 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    baden@baden.nu wrote:
    Hi:(Dave?)

    I really like the Cairo Clock, so I had Doodle Screen saver installed on my Franken OS/2, which is now almost pure ArcaOS 5.0, with my old ini files overlayed on top. To deal with the former (not in 'Properties'), I installed (ANPM) Doodle 2.1 from
    Hobbes, and it ran swell for a few weeks. However, a week ago, I noticed my mouse disappeared, and I traced that to Doodle. If I uninstall Doodle, the mouse cursor immediately reappears.

    Are you aware of any similar symptoms?
    Did you update Freetype from the netlabs exp repository? If so, upgrade
    For the record, that URL is:

    http://rpm.netlabs.org/experimental/00/zip/

    it again as 2.10.0-1 broke the Cairo modules, fixed in 2.10.0-2.
    That's all I'm aware of for bugs.
    I concur that there are probably font issues. I
    have the following identically named DLLs, the latest
    from your suggestion:

    This wasn't font issues, rather a missing mouse pointer or worse caused
    by Bitwise enabling mmap in freetype, which broke the Cairo modules as
    well as causing some other software to crash such as the 38ESR Mozilla apps.
    I take it that updating freetype fixed the screensaver?


    2019/06/18 02:28:00 418401 F:\Applications\freetype-2_10_0-2_oc00\@unixroot\usr\lib\freetyp6.dll
    2017/03/01 07:41:20 389797 F:\usr\lib\freetyp6.dll
    2016/02/26 08:56:18 380134 F:\OS2_Apps\DLL\freetyp6.dll
    2015/07/29 20:59:18 356427 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.42.9esr.en-US.os2\seamonkey\freetyp6.dll

    You should only have one of the freetyp6.dll's installed and it should
    match fontconfig. So if updating to the exp version of freetype, you
    should also update fontconfig.
    Be aware that fontconfig has had changes to its configuration files that
    it looks for in @UNIXROOT\etc\fonts and updating by unlocking fontconfig
    as yum/rpm does, will crash SeaMonkey/Firefox until you reboot.


    I also have problems running SeaMonkey(s) and
    Firefox(s) since I updated to ArcaOS, so I may need to
    allocate some time to figure this font stuff out.

    What problems?
    Dave

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  • From baden@baden.nu@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 4 22:39:03 2019
    El jueves, 4 de julio de 2019, 21:37:11 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 07/04/19 01:02 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    On Thursday, 4 July 2019 01:28:43 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    baden@baden.nu wrote:
    Hi:(Dave?)

    I really like the Cairo Clock, so I had Doodle Screen saver installed on my Franken OS/2, which is now almost pure ArcaOS 5.0, with my old ini files overlayed on top. To deal with the former (not in 'Properties'), I installed (ANPM) Doodle 2.1
    from Hobbes, and it ran swell for a few weeks. However, a week ago, I noticed my mouse disappeared, and I traced that to Doodle. If I uninstall Doodle, the mouse cursor immediately reappears.

    Are you aware of any similar symptoms?
    Did you update Freetype from the netlabs exp repository? If so, upgrade
    For the record, that URL is:

    http://rpm.netlabs.org/experimental/00/zip/

    it again as 2.10.0-1 broke the Cairo modules, fixed in 2.10.0-2.
    That's all I'm aware of for bugs.
    I concur that there are probably font issues. I
    have the following identically named DLLs, the latest
    from your suggestion:

    This wasn't font issues, rather a missing mouse pointer or worse caused
    by Bitwise enabling mmap in freetype, which broke the Cairo modules as
    well as causing some other software to crash such as the 38ESR Mozilla apps. I take it that updating freetype fixed the screensaver?

    Interestingly these are the exact symptoms.
    However, the whole thing is currently a mess.

    2019/06/18 02:28:00 418401 F:\Applications\freetype-2_10_0-2_oc00\@unixroot\usr\lib\freetyp6.dll
    2017/03/01 07:41:20 389797 F:\usr\lib\freetyp6.dll
    2016/02/26 08:56:18 380134 F:\OS2_Apps\DLL\freetyp6.dll
    2015/07/29 20:59:18 356427 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.42.9esr.en-US.os2\seamonkey\freetyp6.dll

    You should only have one of the freetyp6.dll's installed and it should
    match fontconfig. So if updating to the exp version of freetype, you

    So, I renamed all the freetyp6.dll, except the new
    one which I put in my libpath. No browsers worked. I
    put the new freetyp6.dll in my SeaMonkey directory with
    the other new dlls and the new freetype-config. I
    still got an "xpcom" error. I then reverted to the
    original freetyp6.dll in my SeaMonkey directory.
    SeaMonkey started right up.

    I found before that DSSaver would work without the
    Cairo modules. Selecting a Cairo module would still
    lose the mouse. PrettyClock will suffice for me.
    After changing to the new freetyp6.dll, the Cairo
    modules are not even listed on the notebook settings
    page.

    should also update fontconfig.

    I added freetype-config in my path. I am not sure I
    am doing the correct thing.

    Be aware that fontconfig has had changes to its configuration files that
    it looks for in @UNIXROOT\etc\fonts and updating by unlocking fontconfig
    as yum/rpm does, will crash SeaMonkey/Firefox until you reboot.


    I also have problems running SeaMonkey(s) and
    Firefox(s) since I updated to ArcaOS, so I may need to
    allocate some time to figure this font stuff out.

    What problems?
    Dave

    SeaMonkey 2.14 And Firefox xx will not start at all.
    With the new DLL, I got "freetyp6" errors trying to
    start the browsers from ArcaOS.

    thanks,
    Baden

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  • From Dave Yeo@21:1/5 to baden@baden.nu on Fri Jul 5 22:04:29 2019
    On 07/04/19 10:39 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    El jueves, 4 de julio de 2019, 21:37:11 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 07/04/19 01:02 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    On Thursday, 4 July 2019 01:28:43 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    baden@baden.nu wrote:
    Hi:(Dave?)

    I really like the Cairo Clock, so I had Doodle Screen saver installed on my Franken OS/2, which is now almost pure ArcaOS 5.0, with my old ini files overlayed on top. To deal with the former (not in 'Properties'), I installed (ANPM) Doodle 2.1
    from Hobbes, and it ran swell for a few weeks. However, a week ago, I noticed my mouse disappeared, and I traced that to Doodle. If I uninstall Doodle, the mouse cursor immediately reappears.

    Are you aware of any similar symptoms?
    Did you update Freetype from the netlabs exp repository? If so, upgrade >>> For the record, that URL is:

    http://rpm.netlabs.org/experimental/00/zip/

    it again as 2.10.0-1 broke the Cairo modules, fixed in 2.10.0-2.
    That's all I'm aware of for bugs.
    I concur that there are probably font issues. I
    have the following identically named DLLs, the latest
    from your suggestion:

    This wasn't font issues, rather a missing mouse pointer or worse caused
    by Bitwise enabling mmap in freetype, which broke the Cairo modules as
    well as causing some other software to crash such as the 38ESR Mozilla apps. >> I take it that updating freetype fixed the screensaver?

    Interestingly these are the exact symptoms.
    However, the whole thing is currently a mess.

    Note that the issue may be different. I _think_ what was happening was
    the module was crashing after turning off the mouse pointer and leaving
    it off. Crashes for other reasons may produce similar symptoms.
    Did you look in popuplog.os2? I just reviewed mine and see sys3175's in SSMODWRP.EXE caused by FREETYP6.DLL from when I had the problem.


    2019/06/18 02:28:00 418401 F:\Applications\freetype-2_10_0-2_oc00\@unixroot\usr\lib\freetyp6.dll
    2017/03/01 07:41:20 389797 F:\usr\lib\freetyp6.dll
    2016/02/26 08:56:18 380134 F:\OS2_Apps\DLL\freetyp6.dll
    2015/07/29 20:59:18 356427 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.42.9esr.en-US.os2\seamonkey\freetyp6.dll

    You should only have one of the freetyp6.dll's installed and it should
    match fontconfig. So if updating to the exp version of freetype, you

    So, I renamed all the freetyp6.dll, except the new
    one which I put in my libpath. No browsers worked. I
    put the new freetyp6.dll in my SeaMonkey directory with
    the other new dlls and the new freetype-config. I
    still got an "xpcom" error. I then reverted to the
    original freetyp6.dll in my SeaMonkey directory.
    SeaMonkey started right up.

    I found before that DSSaver would work without the
    Cairo modules. Selecting a Cairo module would still
    lose the mouse. PrettyClock will suffice for me.
    After changing to the new freetyp6.dll, the Cairo
    modules are not even listed on the notebook settings
    page.


    That's interesting that the Cairo modules vanished. But yes all the
    other modules should work as only a couple are linked against the RPM
    Cairo. More below.

    should also update fontconfig.

    I added freetype-config in my path. I am not sure I
    am doing the correct thing.

    Freetype-config is only for building, namely it configures where
    freetype is installed, needed flags and such. You don't need it.
    Fontconfig does need to find its configuration files. Possible you have
    some in your home directory from years back.


    Be aware that fontconfig has had changes to its configuration files that
    it looks for in @UNIXROOT\etc\fonts and updating by unlocking fontconfig
    as yum/rpm does, will crash SeaMonkey/Firefox until you reboot.


    I also have problems running SeaMonkey(s) and
    Firefox(s) since I updated to ArcaOS, so I may need to
    allocate some time to figure this font stuff out.

    What problems?
    Dave

    SeaMonkey 2.14 And Firefox xx will not start at all.
    With the new DLL, I got "freetyp6" errors trying to
    start the browsers from ArcaOS.

    I take it you mean SeaMonkey 2.35 or 2.42 as 2.14 is old and used
    freetyp2.dll.
    Understand that many of these DLLs depend on specific versions or newer
    and it is quite complex. eg the new freetype will need the latest libcx
    and libcn at least and as mentioned, fontconfig is dependent on
    freetype. Things can go wonkey really quick as your finding.
    Why not just install and use ANPM to take care of all these
    dependencies? While I don't like the whole RPM/YUM/ANPM thing, it gets
    to the point where letting it manage the dependencies is easier then
    trying to do it yourself. It's hard to tell which freetyp6.dlls you have.
    Also do you have SeaMonkey in the LIBPATH? That's not recommended, and
    2.42.9 will actually set beginlibpath and libpathstrict so run! or cmd
    files are unneeded and is also likely the reason that adding the DLLs to
    the SeaMonkey program directory helps.
    Anyways, good luck in straightening out the DLL mess. If not using ANPM,
    you might want to just start over.
    Dave

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  • From baden@baden.nu@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 6 16:17:57 2019
    El sábado, 6 de julio de 2019, 0:04:34 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 07/04/19 10:39 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    El jueves, 4 de julio de 2019, 21:37:11 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 07/04/19 01:02 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    On Thursday, 4 July 2019 01:28:43 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    baden@baden.nu wrote:
    Hi:(Dave?)

    I really like the Cairo Clock, so I had Doodle Screen saver installed on my Franken OS/2, which is now almost pure ArcaOS 5.0, with my old ini files overlayed on top. To deal with the former (not in 'Properties'), I installed (ANPM) Doodle 2.1
    from Hobbes, and it ran swell for a few weeks. However, a week ago, I noticed my mouse disappeared, and I traced that to Doodle. If I uninstall Doodle, the mouse cursor immediately reappears.

    Are you aware of any similar symptoms?
    Did you update Freetype from the netlabs exp repository? If so, upgrade >>> For the record, that URL is:

    http://rpm.netlabs.org/experimental/00/zip/

    it again as 2.10.0-1 broke the Cairo modules, fixed in 2.10.0-2.
    That's all I'm aware of for bugs.
    I concur that there are probably font issues. I
    have the following identically named DLLs, the latest
    from your suggestion:

    This wasn't font issues, rather a missing mouse pointer or worse caused
    by Bitwise enabling mmap in freetype, which broke the Cairo modules as
    well as causing some other software to crash such as the 38ESR Mozilla apps.
    I take it that updating freetype fixed the screensaver?

    Interestingly these are the exact symptoms.
    However, the whole thing is currently a mess.

    Note that the issue may be different. I _think_ what was happening was
    the module was crashing after turning off the mouse pointer and leaving
    it off. Crashes for other reasons may produce similar symptoms.
    Did you look in popuplog.os2? I just reviewed mine and see sys3175's in SSMODWRP.EXE caused by FREETYP6.DLL from when I had the problem.

    They were mostly: XUL->LIBCX0._exeinfo_open

    2019/06/18 02:28:00 418401 F:\Applications\freetype-2_10_0-2_oc00\@unixroot\usr\lib\freetyp6.dll
    2017/03/01 07:41:20 389797 F:\usr\lib\freetyp6.dll
    2016/02/26 08:56:18 380134 F:\OS2_Apps\DLL\freetyp6.dll >>> 2015/07/29 20:59:18 356427 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.42.9esr.en-US.os2\seamonkey\freetyp6.dll

    You should only have one of the freetyp6.dll's installed and it should
    match fontconfig. So if updating to the exp version of freetype, you

    So, I renamed all the freetyp6.dll, except the new
    one which I put in my libpath. No browsers worked. I
    put the new freetyp6.dll in my SeaMonkey directory with
    the other new dlls and the new freetype-config. I
    still got an "xpcom" error. I then reverted to the
    original freetyp6.dll in my SeaMonkey directory.
    SeaMonkey started right up.

    I found before that DSSaver would work without the
    Cairo modules. Selecting a Cairo module would still
    lose the mouse. PrettyClock will suffice for me.
    After changing to the new freetyp6.dll, the Cairo
    modules are not even listed on the notebook settings
    page.


    That's interesting that the Cairo modules vanished. But yes all the
    other modules should work as only a couple are linked against the RPM
    Cairo. More below.

    What enables Cairo? I cannot find anything new. I
    just downloaded and I will check it out:

    http://rpm.netlabs.org/release/00/i386/i686/cairo-1.12.18-4.oc00.i686.rpm

    should also update fontconfig.
    Fontconfig does need to find its configuration files. Possible you have
    some in your home directory from years back.

    There are many fontconfig files, but they all have
    the same size and date.

    2016/11/25 08:20:11 71838 fontconfig_dll
    2016/11/25 08:20:11 71838 fontconfig1_dll
    2016/11/25 08:20:11 71838 @unixroot\usr\lib\fontconfig_dll.a

    Interestingly, none of these are in path or libpath.
    Therefore I am thinking I am misunderstanding
    something.

    Be aware that fontconfig has had changes to its
    configuration files that
    it looks for in @UNIXROOT\etc\fonts and updating by unlocking fontconfig >> as yum/rpm does, will crash SeaMonkey/Firefox until you reboot.


    I also have problems running SeaMonkey(s) and
    Firefox(s) since I updated to ArcaOS, so I may need to
    allocate some time to figure this font stuff out.

    I finally got most of this sorted out in my
    FrankenOS. I reverted to the "freetyp6.dll" that came
    with ArcaOS 5.0. I have one directory, where all the
    newer SeaMonkeys and Firefoxes now function again.

    DoodleSS works without Cairo selected.

    On ArcaOS 5.0, Internet now does not work, and the
    Firefoxes will not start, but DoodleSS works fine with
    Cairo stuff enabled.

    I made some small changes and corrections to the
    config.sys files, and unless those miraculously 'fixed'
    something, I think I will be satisfied with the way it
    is.

    What problems?
    Dave

    SeaMonkey 2.14 And Firefox xx will not start at all.
    With the new DLL, I got "freetyp6" errors trying to
    start the browsers from ArcaOS.

    I take it you mean SeaMonkey 2.35 or 2.42 as 2.14 is old and used freetyp2.dll.

    Yes, SeaMonkey 2.14, as I used it for Fireftp. I
    now have Fireftp semi-working on SeaMonkey 2.35.

    Understand that many of these DLLs depend on specific versions or newer
    and it is quite complex. eg the new freetype will need the latest libcx
    and libcn at least and as mentioned, fontconfig is dependent on
    freetype. Things can go wonkey really quick as your finding.

    This is a big management problem. I think it is
    much better to have all of a single application's
    libraries and supporting files in one subdirectory,
    rather than the concept of having a 'universal'
    directory structure, as is often currently conceived
    and practiced. There is too much variation to expect
    compatibility.

    Why not just install and use ANPM to take care of all these

    I have AMPN installed, and I use it. I long for the
    old days when things were simpler and I had a clue.

    dependencies? While I don't like the whole RPM/YUM/ANPM thing, it gets
    to the point where letting it manage the dependencies is easier then
    trying to do it yourself. It's hard to tell which freetyp6.dlls you have. Also do you have SeaMonkey in the LIBPATH? That's not recommended, and

    No, I have "LIBPATH=.;.\DLL;" at the start.

    2.42.9 will actually set beginlibpath and libpathstrict so run! or cmd
    files are unneeded and is also likely the reason that adding the DLLs to
    the SeaMonkey program directory helps.

    What I originally did a year or two back, was I
    dumped every dependency in one directory for the
    browsers. That got everything working, and I would
    just clone directories for new releases, and xcopy in
    the new release. I just found out today that all the
    browser EXEs can coexist in one directory. Firefox
    needs it's own profile.

    Anyways, good luck in straightening out the DLL mess. If not using ANPM,
    you might want to just start over.
    Dave

    Thanks, I think I have a workable FrankenOS again.
    I am trying to get a DVD burn with ArcaOS 5.1, so I can
    install that. The next time, I may install an old Firefox
    from ArcaOS to get a workable browser directory.

    thanks for your help!
    Baden

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