• ArcaOS JFS traps

    From baden@baden.nu@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 1 18:11:12 2019
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.

    Background:
    =============

    I have a T60, which had a 512 GB Crucial SSD (2014),
    that bricked in December after some partitioning
    efforts. I replaced that with a 512 GB spinning
    Toshiba and (almost) identical partition setup. I
    recently received a new Crucial 512 GB SSD, and when I
    was transferring files, I had some write problems, and
    then it continually trapped ('e' & '8' mostly in
    OS2KRNL) while I was attempting to restore a 450 GB
    partition. After some more errors, I determined the
    SSD had write errors, and I returned and replaced it
    with a Samsung 860 Pro. I partitioned that the same,
    but surprisingly, it also trapped while restoring files
    on the large partition.

    The 454 GB partition kept trapping at 89 GB written.
    I changed the partition size to different values, and
    smaller partitions would allow more writing. Finally,
    at a 300 GB size, I could fill the partition without
    trapping. I thought it was a SSD unique problem, until
    afterwards I checked the Toshiba, which I had earlier
    only filled with about 50 GB onto the large partition.
    That drive also trapped at about 100 GB filled.

    My system is partitioned with a HPFS C: franken
    OS/2 installation, which has much eCS. It ran for ten
    years without issues, originally on 512 GB spinning
    rust, and the last 4.5 years on a 512 GB SSD. D: Drive
    is a minimal HPFS maintenance partition, and E: Drive
    is JFS ArcaOS 5.0 (was eCS).

    ┌──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
    │ Logical Volume Type Status File System Size (MB)│
    ├──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
    │OS2 C: Compatibility Startable HPFS 502 │
    │Maint D: Compatibility HPFS 15 │
    │ArcaOS E: Compatibility JFS 1027 │
    │Data F: LVM JFS 32002 │
    │Fotos G: LVM JFS 454830 │
    └──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘

    Determination:
    =============

    This trap problem only started in May after I tried
    restoring a large partition using ArcaOS 5.0 on SSDs.
    Both the old OS (eCS) and ArcaOS trapped, and the old
    OS2 mostly predates ArcaOS. I first contemplated and
    checked whether heat, 'lvm' or 'format were
    responsible. I further investigated, and found that
    both OS use the newer JFS files, as I had installed the
    "JFS - Journaled File System for OS/2 v1.09.07"
    package.

    44251 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/CACHEJFS.EXE
    280192 0 0 2017-01-06 17:47 OS2/DLL/UJFS.DLL
    193319 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/JFS.IFS
    6495 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/JFSCHK32.EXE
    44949 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/jfsstats.exe

    I then checked an older backup, and found that the
    JFS files were different:

    44268 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/CACHEJFS.EXE
    99061 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/CHKLGJFS.EXE
    281594 0 0 2010-04-27 12:58 OS2/DLL/UJFS.DLL
    193291 0 0 2010-04-27 12:55 OS2/JFS.IFS
    6495 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/JFSCHK32.EXE

    I restored over all the old files, and the system
    ran and filled the 450 GB partitions faultlessly on
    both the Toshiba and SSD.

    Resolution:
    =============

    It appears that the new ArcaOS JFS faults writing to
    large partitions. It may be from a timing issue, as
    this problem originally occurred when restoring SSD
    drives. It also occurred on the spinning drive, but
    the Toshiba did successfully fill 400+ GB one time out
    of many traps.

    thanks,
    Baden

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  • From Dave Yeo@21:1/5 to baden@baden.nu on Mon Jun 3 08:23:04 2019
    On 06/01/19 06:11 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.

    You should probably file an issue at the ArcaOS bug tracker, assuming
    you still have an active subscription and the latest JFS.
    Dave

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  • From baden@baden.nu@21:1/5 to Dave Yeo on Mon Jun 3 15:27:14 2019
    On Monday, 3 June 2019 10:23:09 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    On 06/01/19 06:11 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.

    You should probably file an issue at the ArcaOS bug tracker, assuming
    you still have an active subscription and the latest JFS.
    Dave

    Hi Dave:

    Thanks, ArcaOS does not make it easy to address deficiencies. After purchasing 5.0 & 5.01, and a further subscription, I do not think it should be necessary for me to pay them more money to log issues that caused me considerable inconvenience, time,
    effort, and money to resolve.

    I am hoping that usenet might be monitored by them.

    thanks,
    Baden

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  • From Dave Yeo@21:1/5 to baden@baden.nu on Mon Jun 3 23:37:06 2019
    On 06/03/19 03:27 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    On Monday, 3 June 2019 10:23:09 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    On 06/01/19 06:11 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.
    You should probably file an issue at the ArcaOS bug tracker, assuming
    you still have an active subscription and the latest JFS.
    Dave
    Hi Dave:

    Thanks, ArcaOS does not make it easy to address deficiencies. After purchasing 5.0 & 5.01, and a further subscription, I do not think it should be necessary for me to pay them more money to log issues that caused me considerable inconvenience, time,
    effort, and money to resolve.

    I am hoping that usenet might be monitored by them.

    Unluckily, they've stated they don't have time to monitor various places
    such as usenet, though you might get lucky.
    You don't have the cache maxed out do you?
    Dave

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  • From becky.kudrenecky@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 10 19:55:06 2019
    El martes, 4 de junio de 2019, 1:37:09 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 06/03/19 03:27 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    On Monday, 3 June 2019 10:23:09 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    On 06/01/19 06:11 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.
    You should probably file an issue at the ArcaOS bug tracker, assuming
    you still have an active subscription and the latest JFS.
    Dave
    Hi Dave:

    Thanks, ArcaOS does not make it easy to address deficiencies. After purchasing 5.0 & 5.01, and a further subscription, I do not think it should be necessary for me to pay them more money to log issues that caused me considerable inconvenience, time,
    effort, and money to resolve.

    I am hoping that usenet might be monitored by them.

    Unluckily, they've stated they don't have time to monitor various places such as usenet, though you might get lucky.
    You don't have the cache maxed out do you?
    Dave

    Interestingly, the other day, I was downloading files off my camera's CF Card onto my SSD, and ... TRAP!

    I thought I had it figured out by backleveling the "jfs" files. A last trap was in 'OS2KRNL', so I also backleveled all the \os2* files, but the result was the same.

    I replaced the ArcaOS with the old (eCS) OS, and all the files transferred without event.

    I am bewildered by this situation, and wondering what device files might precipitate a trap?

    IFS=C:\OS2\JFS.IFS /LW:5,20,4 /AUTOCHECK:*
    BASEDEV=OS2AHCI.ADD
    BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD /!BIOS
    BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD
    BASEDEV=OS2LVM.DMD

    thanks,
    Baden

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  • From Dave Yeo@21:1/5 to becky.kudrenecky@gmail.com on Tue Jun 11 22:39:07 2019
    On 06/10/19 07:55 PM, becky.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:
    El martes, 4 de junio de 2019, 1:37:09 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribi:
    On 06/03/19 03:27 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    On Monday, 3 June 2019 10:23:09 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    On 06/01/19 06:11 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.
    You should probably file an issue at the ArcaOS bug tracker, assuming
    you still have an active subscription and the latest JFS.
    Dave
    Hi Dave:

    Thanks, ArcaOS does not make it easy to address deficiencies. After purchasing 5.0 & 5.01, and a further subscription, I do not think it should be necessary for me to pay them more money to log issues that caused me considerable inconvenience, time,
    effort, and money to resolve.

    I am hoping that usenet might be monitored by them.
    Unluckily, they've stated they don't have time to monitor various places
    such as usenet, though you might get lucky.
    You don't have the cache maxed out do you?
    Dave
    Interestingly, the other day, I was downloading files off my camera's CF Card onto my SSD, and ... TRAP!

    I thought I had it figured out by backleveling the "jfs" files. A last trap was in 'OS2KRNL', so I also backleveled all the \os2* files, but the result was the same.

    I replaced the ArcaOS with the old (eCS) OS, and all the files transferred without event.

    I am bewildered by this situation, and wondering what device files might precipitate a trap?

    IFS=C:\OS2\JFS.IFS /LW:5,20,4 /AUTOCHECK:*

    I'd guess JFS, including the possibility of the cache.

    BASEDEV=OS2AHCI.ADD
    BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD /!BIOS
    BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD
    BASEDEV=OS2LVM.DMD

    thanks,
    Baden


    I wouldn't advise backleveling the OS2* files, the kernel has some fixes compared to older versions and the os2ldr is quite different then the
    IBM one.
    As usual, you might want to open an issue at Arca Noae.
    Dave

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  • From becky.kudrenecky@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 12 21:04:05 2019
    El miércoles, 12 de junio de 2019, 0:39:10 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 06/10/19 07:55 PM, becky.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:
    El martes, 4 de junio de 2019, 1:37:09 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 06/03/19 03:27 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    On Monday, 3 June 2019 10:23:09 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    On 06/01/19 06:11 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.
    You should probably file an issue at the ArcaOS bug tracker, assuming >>>> you still have an active subscription and the latest JFS.
    Dave
    Hi Dave:

    Thanks, ArcaOS does not make it easy to address deficiencies. After purchasing 5.0 & 5.01, and a further subscription, I do not think it should be necessary for me to pay them more money to log issues that caused me considerable inconvenience,
    time, effort, and money to resolve.

    I am hoping that usenet might be monitored by them.
    Unluckily, they've stated they don't have time to monitor various places >> such as usenet, though you might get lucky.
    You don't have the cache maxed out do you?
    Dave
    Interestingly, the other day, I was downloading files off my camera's CF Card onto my SSD, and ... TRAP!

    I thought I had it figured out by backleveling the "jfs" files. A last trap was in 'OS2KRNL', so I also backleveled all the \os2* files, but the result was the same.

    I replaced the ArcaOS with the old (eCS) OS, and all the files transferred without event.

    I am bewildered by this situation, and wondering what device files might precipitate a trap?

    IFS=C:\OS2\JFS.IFS /LW:5,20,4 /AUTOCHECK:*

    I'd guess JFS, including the possibility of the cache.

    BASEDEV=OS2AHCI.ADD
    BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD /!BIOS
    BASEDEV=OS2DASD.DMD
    BASEDEV=OS2LVM.DMD

    thanks,
    Baden


    I wouldn't advise backleveling the OS2* files, the kernel has some fixes compared to older versions and the os2ldr is quite different then the
    IBM one.

    Hi Dave:

    I have found that as long as I copy over all the OS2* files in the root, the compatibility and functionality are preserved.

    Since ArcaOS traps, and I back levelled all the *jfs* files and the os2* files, and I still received a trap, I surmise the problem might be in danis506.add. I see that the newest version was not hers. I back leved danis506.add, but the system would not
    boot at all. So, the system is now all ArcaOS with ibm1s506.add replacing danis506.add. I will see how this goes.

    This issue brings forth possible problems with SMP. There have been critical corrections to ACPI.PSD since Arca 5.0. I also found my repository with newer ArcaOS Warpin fixes:

    1,565,244 acpi-3.23.10.exe
    98,876 ahci-2.04.exe
    136,764 DaniS506-1.08.15.exe
    1,047,100 JFS-1.09.07.exe
    992,316 Multimac-20171019.exe
    4,772,924 panorama-1.11.exe
    1,562,172 Uniaud-20170625.exe
    327,740 USB-11.17.exe

    So, I think I will first see how IBM1S506.ADD behaves. If it fails, or not, I have the option to install the latest fixes. INterstingly, my 'old' eCS based system had most these fixes installed, which may be significant.

    As usual, you might want to open an issue at Arca Noae.
    Dave

    As far as (paying for and) opening a ticket goes, that is a sore spot with me, as I believe it exposes the current principals' principles. I do not buy the BS that monitoring the fora (~3 messages a month) is unmanageable. Many in IBM Boca spent
    considerable time responding to valid queries. Doug Azzarito was surprisingly responsive.

    thanks,
    Baden

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  • From Dave Yeo@21:1/5 to baden@baden.nu on Thu Jun 13 16:57:41 2019
    On 06/12/19 09:04 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    Hi Dave:

    I have found that as long as I copy over all the OS2* files in the root, the compatibility and functionality are preserved.

    As long as you're not loading DLLs high or using the ramdisk, it should
    be fine. I take it you're using the ones from eCS.


    Since ArcaOS traps, and I back levelled all the *jfs* files and the os2* files, and I still received a trap, I surmise the problem might be in danis506.add. I see that the newest version was not hers. I back leved danis506.add, but the system would
    not boot at all. So, the system is now all ArcaOS with ibm1s506.add replacing danis506.add. I will see how this goes.

    This issue brings forth possible problems with SMP. There have been critical corrections to ACPI.PSD since Arca 5.0. I also found my repository with newer ArcaOS Warpin fixes:

    Did you ever test with only one CPU? Note that there is a newer acpi.


    1,565,244 acpi-3.23.10.exe
    98,876 ahci-2.04.exe
    136,764 DaniS506-1.08.15.exe
    1,047,100 JFS-1.09.07.exe
    992,316 Multimac-20171019.exe
    4,772,924 panorama-1.11.exe
    1,562,172 Uniaud-20170625.exe
    327,740 USB-11.17.exe

    So, I think I will first see how IBM1S506.ADD behaves. If it fails, or not, I have the option to install the latest fixes. INterstingly, my 'old' eCS based system had most these fixes installed, which may be significant.

    As usual, you might want to open an issue at Arca Noae.
    Dave
    As far as (paying for and) opening a ticket goes, that is a sore spot with me, as I believe it exposes the current principals' principles. I do not buy the BS that monitoring the fora (~3 messages a month) is unmanageable. Many in IBM Boca spent
    considerable time responding to valid queries. Doug Azzarito was surprisingly responsive.

    Well I'm here, though I'm not paid by Arca Noae, I am listed as a
    developer. Thing is is that David is basically the only one that knows
    the internals of this stuff and I've never seen him active anywhere
    other then on the Arca Noae lists and previously the eCS ones IIRC.
    With a ticket, I could ask for a testlog and find out more about your
    system rather then asking here. Which raises the question of what is
    your system?
    Dave

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  • From becky.kudrenecky@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 15 15:42:53 2019
    El jueves, 13 de junio de 2019, 18:57:47 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 06/12/19 09:04 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:

    Did you ever test with only one CPU? Note that there is a newer acpi.

    That is certainly an option. My conjecture is that
    there is a spinlock (SMP) error in the revised
    danis506.add. So far, using IBM1s506, I have had no
    problems. If I do get a trap, then I can further
    investigate selecting only one CPU, and also applying
    the noted fixes. I do not see much use in
    troubleshooting this issue beyond getting a stable
    system. As stated, this problem only originated with
    ArcaOS.

    A problem with no communication, is that everyone is
    in the dark. This may be a known issue with known
    fixes. Or the developer may be unknowingly and
    continuously releasing faulty software.

    As usual, you might want to open an issue at Arca Noae.
    Dave
    As far as (paying for and) opening a ticket goes, that is a sore spot with me, as I believe it exposes the current principals' principles. I do not buy the BS that monitoring the fora (~3 messages a month) is unmanageable. Many in IBM Boca spent
    considerable time responding to valid queries. Doug Azzarito was surprisingly responsive.

    Well I'm here, though I'm not paid by Arca Noae, I am listed as a

    That is very much appreciated, Dave.

    developer. Thing is is that David is basically the only one that knows
    the internals of this stuff and I've never seen him active anywhere
    other then on the Arca Noae lists and previously the eCS ones IIRC.
    With a ticket, I could ask for a testlog and find out more about your
    system rather then asking here. Which raises the question of what is
    your system?
    Dave

    I have a T60 with 2 GB RAM, and now a Samsung PRO
    512 GB SSD.

    thanks for your interest!
    Baden

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  • From Lars Erdmann@21:1/5 to Dave Yeo on Tue Jun 18 06:32:13 2019
    On 12.06.19 07.39, Dave Yeo wrote:
    On 06/10/19 07:55 PM, becky.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:
    El martes, 4 de junio de 2019, 1:37:09 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribi:
    On 06/03/19 03:27 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    On Monday, 3 June 2019 10:23:09 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    On 06/01/19 06:11 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.
    You should probably file an issue at the ArcaOS bug tracker, assuming >>>>> you still have an active subscription and the latest JFS.
    Dave
    Hi Dave:

    Thanks, ArcaOS does not make it easy to address deficiencies. After
    purchasing 5.0 & 5.01, and a further subscription, I do not think it
    should be necessary for me to pay them more money to log issues that
    caused me considerable inconvenience, time, effort, and money to
    resolve.

    I am hoping that usenet might be monitored by them.
    Unluckily, they've stated they don't have time to monitor various places >>> such as usenet, though you might get lucky.
    You don't have the cache maxed out do you?
    Dave
    Interestingly, the other day, I was downloading files off my camera's
    CF Card onto my SSD, and ... TRAP!

    So how did you access the CF Card ? Via a USB card reader ?
    If yes, it's also possible that USBMSD.ADD fails on you.
    Given its overall quality, I would not be surprised.
    You can give it a try and use the one from my package after you have
    backed up the existing one (you can keep the rest of the AN USB stack): http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/system/drivers/misc/usbdrv227.zip

    Make sure you reinstate everything else.

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  • From Lars Erdmann@21:1/5 to baden@baden.nu on Tue Jun 18 06:25:27 2019
    On 16.06.19 00.42, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    El jueves, 13 de junio de 2019, 18:57:47 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 06/12/19 09:04 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:

    Did you ever test with only one CPU? Note that there is a newer acpi.

    That is certainly an option. My conjecture is that
    there is a spinlock (SMP) error in the revised
    danis506.add. So far, using IBM1s506, I have had no
    problems. If I do get a trap, then I can further
    investigate selecting only one CPU, and also applying
    the noted fixes. I do not see much use in
    troubleshooting this issue beyond getting a stable
    system. As stated, this problem only originated with
    ArcaOS.

    If it were a spinlock error it would more likely hang instead of trap.

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  • From becky.kudrenecky@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 16:12:18 2019
    El lunes, 17 de junio de 2019, 23:25:29 (UTC-5), Lars Erdmann escribió:
    On 16.06.19 00.42, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    El jueves, 13 de junio de 2019, 18:57:47 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 06/12/19 09:04 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:

    Did you ever test with only one CPU? Note that there is a newer acpi.

    That is certainly an option. My conjecture is that
    there is a spinlock (SMP) error in the revised
    danis506.add. So far, using IBM1s506, I have had no
    problems. If I do get a trap, then I can further
    investigate selecting only one CPU, and also applying
    the noted fixes. I do not see much use in
    troubleshooting this issue beyond getting a stable
    system. As stated, this problem only originated with
    ArcaOS.

    If it were a spinlock error it would more likely hang instead of trap.

    Hi Lars:

    Interestingly, this is what it does. For about 30 s,
    activity stops and hangs, and then it traps. e, then 8.

    thanks,
    Baden

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  • From becky.kudrenecky@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 18 16:30:58 2019
    El lunes, 17 de junio de 2019, 23:32:15 (UTC-5), Lars Erdmann escribió:
    On 12.06.19 07.39, Dave Yeo wrote:
    On 06/10/19 07:55 PM, becky.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:
    El martes, 4 de junio de 2019, 1:37:09 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 06/03/19 03:27 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    On Monday, 3 June 2019 10:23:09 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    On 06/01/19 06:11 PM, baden@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.

    Interestingly, the other day, I was downloading files off my camera's
    CF Card onto my SSD, and ... TRAP!

    Hi Lars:

    So how did you access the CF Card ? Via a USB card reader ?

    No, through the PCMCIA slot and drivers.

    BASEDEV=PCMCIA.SYS
    BASEDEV=SS2TICB.SYS
    BASEDEV=AUTODRV2.SYS
    DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\PCMSSDIF.SYS
    BASEDEV=PCM2ATA.ADD /S:1 /!DM
    BASEDEV=OS2PCARD.DMD

    After it trapped using the PCMCIA card, I also
    'rem'ed those out, tried using SSD to SSD xfer, and it
    also trapped with that.

    thanks,
    Baden


    If yes, it's also possible that USBMSD.ADD fails on you.
    Given its overall quality, I would not be surprised.
    You can give it a try and use the one from my package after you have
    backed up the existing one (you can keep the rest of the AN USB stack): http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/system/drivers/misc/usbdrv227.zip

    Make sure you reinstate everything else.

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  • From baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com@21:1/5 to becky.ku...@gmail.com on Wed Mar 24 22:07:25 2021
    On Tuesday, 18 June 2019 at 18:30:59 UTC-5, becky.ku...@gmail.com wrote:
    El lunes, 17 de junio de 2019, 23:32:15 (UTC-5), Lars Erdmann escribió:
    On 12.06.19 07.39, Dave Yeo wrote:
    On 06/10/19 07:55 PM, becky.ku...@gmail.com wrote:
    El martes, 4 de junio de 2019, 1:37:09 (UTC-5), Dave Yeo escribió:
    On 06/03/19 03:27 PM, ba...@baden.nu wrote:
    On Monday, 3 June 2019 10:23:09 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:
    On 06/01/19 06:11 PM, ba...@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.
    Interestingly, the other day, I was downloading files off my camera's >> CF Card onto my SSD, and ... TRAP!
    Hi Lars:
    So how did you access the CF Card ? Via a USB card reader ?
    No, through the PCMCIA slot and drivers.

    BASEDEV=PCMCIA.SYS
    BASEDEV=SS2TICB.SYS
    BASEDEV=AUTODRV2.SYS
    DEVICE=C:\OS2\BOOT\PCMSSDIF.SYS
    BASEDEV=PCM2ATA.ADD /S:1 /!DM
    BASEDEV=OS2PCARD.DMD

    After it trapped using the PCMCIA card, I also
    'rem'ed those out, tried using SSD to SSD xfer, and it
    also trapped with that.

    thanks,
    Baden
    If yes, it's also possible that USBMSD.ADD fails on you.
    Given its overall quality, I would not be surprised.
    You can give it a try and use the one from my package after you have backed up the existing one (you can keep the rest of the AN USB stack): http://hobbes.nmsu.edu/download/pub/os2/system/drivers/misc/usbdrv227.zip

    Make sure you reinstate everything else.

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  • From baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com@21:1/5 to ba...@baden.nu on Wed Mar 24 22:30:34 2021
    Okay, I *finally* found what caused the traps. I was just reading on os2world how OS2AHCI.ADD is a replacement for the *506* drivers, which I never knew. I looked in my CONFIG.SYS, which had:

    BASEDEV=OS2AHCI.ADD
    BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD /!BIOS
    BASEDEV=DANIATAP.FLT

    I subsequently removed the AHCI driver, and all worked well. I then reinstated it, and removed the DANI drivers, and all worked well. So, with a large (JFS) partition, and both drivers active, the system can trap.

    Can someone let Arca know about this?

    thanks, Baden


    On Saturday, 1 June 2019 at 20:11:12 UTC-5, ba...@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.

    Background:
    =============

    I have a T60, which had a 512 GB Crucial SSD (2014),
    that bricked in December after some partitioning
    efforts. I replaced that with a 512 GB spinning
    Toshiba and (almost) identical partition setup. I
    recently received a new Crucial 512 GB SSD, and when I
    was transferring files, I had some write problems, and
    then it continually trapped ('e' & '8' mostly in
    OS2KRNL) while I was attempting to restore a 450 GB
    partition. After some more errors, I determined the
    SSD had write errors, and I returned and replaced it
    with a Samsung 860 Pro. I partitioned that the same,
    but surprisingly, it also trapped while restoring files
    on the large partition.

    The 454 GB partition kept trapping at 89 GB written.
    I changed the partition size to different values, and
    smaller partitions would allow more writing. Finally,
    at a 300 GB size, I could fill the partition without
    trapping. I thought it was a SSD unique problem, until
    afterwards I checked the Toshiba, which I had earlier
    only filled with about 50 GB onto the large partition.
    That drive also trapped at about 100 GB filled.

    My system is partitioned with a HPFS C: franken
    OS/2 installation, which has much eCS. It ran for ten
    years without issues, originally on 512 GB spinning
    rust, and the last 4.5 years on a 512 GB SSD. D: Drive
    is a minimal HPFS maintenance partition, and E: Drive
    is JFS ArcaOS 5.0 (was eCS).

    ┌──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
    │ Logical Volume Type Status File System Size (MB)│ ├──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┤
    │OS2 C: Compatibility Startable HPFS 502 │
    │Maint D: Compatibility HPFS 15 │
    │ArcaOS E: Compatibility JFS 1027 │
    │Data F: LVM JFS 32002 │
    │Fotos G: LVM JFS 454830 │ └──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘

    Determination:
    =============

    This trap problem only started in May after I tried
    restoring a large partition using ArcaOS 5.0 on SSDs.
    Both the old OS (eCS) and ArcaOS trapped, and the old
    OS2 mostly predates ArcaOS. I first contemplated and
    checked whether heat, 'lvm' or 'format were
    responsible. I further investigated, and found that
    both OS use the newer JFS files, as I had installed the
    "JFS - Journaled File System for OS/2 v1.09.07"
    package.

    44251 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/CACHEJFS.EXE
    280192 0 0 2017-01-06 17:47 OS2/DLL/UJFS.DLL
    193319 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/JFS.IFS
    6495 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/JFSCHK32.EXE
    44949 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/jfsstats.exe

    I then checked an older backup, and found that the
    JFS files were different:

    44268 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/CACHEJFS.EXE
    99061 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/CHKLGJFS.EXE
    281594 0 0 2010-04-27 12:58 OS2/DLL/UJFS.DLL
    193291 0 0 2010-04-27 12:55 OS2/JFS.IFS
    6495 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/JFSCHK32.EXE

    I restored over all the old files, and the system
    ran and filled the 450 GB partitions faultlessly on
    both the Toshiba and SSD.

    Resolution:
    =============

    It appears that the new ArcaOS JFS faults writing to
    large partitions. It may be from a timing issue, as
    this problem originally occurred when restoring SSD
    drives. It also occurred on the spinning drive, but
    the Toshiba did successfully fill 400+ GB one time out
    of many traps.

    thanks,
    Baden

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  • From Doug Bissett@21:1/5 to baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com on Sat Mar 27 17:17:19 2021
    On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 05:30:34 UTC, "baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com" <baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com> wrote:

    Okay, I *finally* found what caused the traps. I was just reading on os2world how OS2AHCI.ADD is a replacement for the *506* drivers, which I never knew.

    Not exactly. OS2AHCI.ADD is support for the AHCI feature of SATA. The
    Dani drivers are really for IDE drives, but SATA has a feature to
    operate in IDE mode. You really do need to READ the documentation.

    I looked in my CONFIG.SYS, which had:

    BASEDEV=OS2AHCI.ADD
    BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD /!BIOS
    BASEDEV=DANIATAP.FLT

    I subsequently removed the AHCI driver, and all worked well. I then reinstated it, and removed the DANI drivers, and all worked well. So, with a large (JFS) partition, and both drivers active, the system can trap.

    Can someone let Arca know about this?

    Why? You are obviously using some ancient version of OS2AHCI, or you
    have an invalid configuration. The first driver to load, runs the
    device. Any other driver that loads, cannot operate the device, and
    doesn't even try (unless you also have some ancient version of the
    Dani driver).

    IF you can make the latest OS2AHCI driver fail, then YOU need to
    report it, along with all of the required support documentation. Look
    in the Wiki for instructions on how to properly report a problem.
    Nobody else can do it, because we don't have your machine to be able
    to produce the supporting documentation.

    If you don't have a current subscription, you don't have support.
    Bitching about that here isn't going to do anybody any good.

    thanks, Baden


    On Saturday, 1 June 2019 at 20:11:12 UTC-5, ba...@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.

    Background:
    =============

    I have a T60, which had a 512 GB Crucial SSD (2014),
    that bricked in December after some partitioning
    efforts. I replaced that with a 512 GB spinning
    Toshiba and (almost) identical partition setup. I
    recently received a new Crucial 512 GB SSD, and when I
    was transferring files, I had some write problems, and
    then it continually trapped ('e' & '8' mostly in
    OS2KRNL) while I was attempting to restore a 450 GB
    partition. After some more errors, I determined the
    SSD had write errors, and I returned and replaced it
    with a Samsung 860 Pro. I partitioned that the same,
    but surprisingly, it also trapped while restoring files
    on the large partition.

    The 454 GB partition kept trapping at 89 GB written.
    I changed the partition size to different values, and
    smaller partitions would allow more writing. Finally,
    at a 300 GB size, I could fill the partition without
    trapping. I thought it was a SSD unique problem, until
    afterwards I checked the Toshiba, which I had earlier
    only filled with about 50 GB onto the large partition.
    That drive also trapped at about 100 GB filled.

    My system is partitioned with a HPFS C: franken
    OS/2 installation, which has much eCS. It ran for ten
    years without issues, originally on 512 GB spinning
    rust, and the last 4.5 years on a 512 GB SSD. D: Drive
    is a minimal HPFS maintenance partition, and E: Drive
    is JFS ArcaOS 5.0 (was eCS).

    Ŀ
    Logical Volume Type Status File System Size (MB) Ĵ
    OS2 C: Compatibility Startable HPFS 502
    Maint D: Compatibility HPFS 15
    ArcaOS E: Compatibility JFS 1027
    Data F: LVM JFS 32002
    Fotos G: LVM JFS 454830

    Determination:
    =============

    This trap problem only started in May after I tried
    restoring a large partition using ArcaOS 5.0 on SSDs.
    Both the old OS (eCS) and ArcaOS trapped, and the old
    OS2 mostly predates ArcaOS. I first contemplated and
    checked whether heat, 'lvm' or 'format were
    responsible. I further investigated, and found that
    both OS use the newer JFS files, as I had installed the
    "JFS - Journaled File System for OS/2 v1.09.07"
    package.

    44251 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/CACHEJFS.EXE
    280192 0 0 2017-01-06 17:47 OS2/DLL/UJFS.DLL
    193319 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/JFS.IFS
    6495 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/JFSCHK32.EXE
    44949 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/jfsstats.exe

    I then checked an older backup, and found that the
    JFS files were different:

    44268 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/CACHEJFS.EXE
    99061 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/CHKLGJFS.EXE
    281594 0 0 2010-04-27 12:58 OS2/DLL/UJFS.DLL
    193291 0 0 2010-04-27 12:55 OS2/JFS.IFS
    6495 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/JFSCHK32.EXE

    I restored over all the old files, and the system
    ran and filled the 450 GB partitions faultlessly on
    both the Toshiba and SSD.

    Resolution:
    =============

    It appears that the new ArcaOS JFS faults writing to
    large partitions. It may be from a timing issue, as
    this problem originally occurred when restoring SSD
    drives. It also occurred on the spinning drive, but
    the Toshiba did successfully fill 400+ GB one time out
    of many traps.

    thanks,
    Baden


    --
    From Doug Bissett's ArcaOS
    dougb007 at telus dot net
    (Please make the obvious changes, to e-mail me)

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  • From baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Doug Bissett on Sat Mar 27 22:45:33 2021
    Hi Doug:

    Thank-you very much for your prompt and informative response. I appreciate that someone with strong connections and unfaltering support for ArcaOS still monitors the usenet. Evidently, your technical knowledge, diplomacy, and business acumen might only
    be surpassed by Lewis Rosenthal in your endless quest for excellence.

    On Saturday, 27 March 2021 at 11:17:23 UTC-6, Doug Bissett wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 05:30:34 UTC, "baden.ku...@gmail.com" <baden.ku...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Okay, I *finally* found what caused the traps. I was just reading on os2world how OS2AHCI.ADD is a replacement for the *506* drivers, which I never knew.

    Not exactly. OS2AHCI.ADD is support for the AHCI feature of SATA. The
    Dani drivers are really for IDE drives, but SATA has a feature to
    operate in IDE mode. You really do need to READ the documentation.

    If this is the case, how do both drivers function independently and identically? Would not there be a huge performance difference?

    I looked in my CONFIG.SYS, which had:

    BASEDEV=OS2AHCI.ADD
    BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD /!BIOS
    BASEDEV=DANIATAP.FLT

    I subsequently removed the AHCI driver, and all worked well. I then reinstated it, and removed the DANI drivers, and all worked well. So, with a large (JFS) partition, and both drivers active, the system can trap.

    Can someone let Arca know about this?

    Why? You are obviously using some ancient version of OS2AHCI, or you
    have an invalid configuration. The first driver to load, runs the
    device. Any other driver that loads, cannot operate the device, and
    doesn't even try (unless you also have some ancient version of the
    Dani driver).

    I wish I knew about this more than I do, but the best obvious information I can provide is:

    BldLevel: @#Arca Noae LLC:2.04#@##1## 12 Dec 2017 17:09:14 DAZAR1 ::::::@@AHCI Driver (c) 2017 Arca Noae LLC
    CmdLine: OS2AHCI.ADD /N
    port #0 interrupt error status: 0x40000001; restarting port
    port #0 interrupt error status: 0x40000001; restarting port
    Adapter 0: PCI=0:31:2 ID=8086:27c5 Intel ICH7M irq=16 addr=0xee444400 version=10100
    Port 0:
    Drive 0: 62260 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors per track (488382MB) (LVM)
    Model: Samsung SSD 860 PRO 512GB

    R1.08.15 /!BIOS
    Daniela's Bus Master IDE Driver for OS/2 Version 1.08.15 Controller:0 Port:01F0 IRQ:0E Status:OK BusMaster Scatter/Gather
    Intel ICH7 PATA host (8086:27DF rev:02) on PCI 0:31.1#0
    Unit:0 Status:OK ATAPI BusMaster UltraDMA2/PIO4
    Model:DVD/CDRW UJDA775 CB03
    Controller:1 Port:18D0 IRQ:10 Status:OK BusMaster Scatter/Gather
    Intel ICH7 SATA host (8086:27C5 rev:02) on PCI 0:31.2#0
    Unit:0 Status:OK LBA BusMaster 1.5GBit/s BPB
    Model:Samsung SSD 860 PRO 512GB RVM01B6Q
    OS2:log phys BPB/BIOS IDE:log phys Total Sectors
    C 62260 65535 65535 16383 Avail 1000215216
    H 255 16 255 16 16 OS2 1000206900
    S 63 63 63 63 63 % Used 99.99

    IF you can make the latest OS2AHCI driver fail, then YOU need to
    report it, along with all of the required support documentation. Look
    in the Wiki for instructions on how to properly report a problem.
    Nobody else can do it, because we don't have your machine to be able
    to produce the supporting documentation.

    I am amazed that a purported OS vendor does not have test machines, especially a T60 or equivalent, which is one of the few laptops that might operate ArcaOS.

    If you don't have a current subscription, you don't have support.
    Bitching about that here isn't going to do anybody any good.

    Arca should be enthusiastically receptive to receiving critical bug reports. We (customers) are doing them (vendor) a huge favour. How many customers just dropped the platform altogether after going through a fraction of the grief, time, and expense I
    did? Having closed subscription based fora (ostrich emulation mode) just exacerbates their hardware compatibility problems.

    As soon as ArcaOS has a viable browser and supports my external 1920 monitor, I will be the first to throw some more money their way.

    thanks,
    Baden


    On Saturday, 1 June 2019 at 20:11:12 UTC-5, ba...@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.

    Background:
    =============

    I have a T60, which had a 512 GB Crucial SSD (2014),
    that bricked in December after some partitioning
    efforts. I replaced that with a 512 GB spinning
    Toshiba and (almost) identical partition setup. I
    recently received a new Crucial 512 GB SSD, and when I
    was transferring files, I had some write problems, and
    then it continually trapped ('e' & '8' mostly in
    OS2KRNL) while I was attempting to restore a 450 GB
    partition. After some more errors, I determined the
    SSD had write errors, and I returned and replaced it
    with a Samsung 860 Pro. I partitioned that the same,
    but surprisingly, it also trapped while restoring files
    on the large partition.

    The 454 GB partition kept trapping at 89 GB written.
    I changed the partition size to different values, and
    smaller partitions would allow more writing. Finally,
    at a 300 GB size, I could fill the partition without
    trapping. I thought it was a SSD unique problem, until
    afterwards I checked the Toshiba, which I had earlier
    only filled with about 50 GB onto the large partition.
    That drive also trapped at about 100 GB filled.

    My system is partitioned with a HPFS C: franken
    OS/2 installation, which has much eCS. It ran for ten
    years without issues, originally on 512 GB spinning
    rust, and the last 4.5 years on a 512 GB SSD. D: Drive
    is a minimal HPFS maintenance partition, and E: Drive
    is JFS ArcaOS 5.0 (was eCS).

    ЪДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДї
    і Logical Volume Type Status File System Size (MB)і ГДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДґ
    іOS2 C: Compatibility Startable HPFS 502 і
    іMaint D: Compatibility HPFS 15 і
    іArcaOS E: Compatibility JFS 1027 і
    іData F: LVM JFS 32002 і
    іFotos G: LVM JFS 454830 і АДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДДЩ

    Determination:
    =============

    This trap problem only started in May after I tried
    restoring a large partition using ArcaOS 5.0 on SSDs.
    Both the old OS (eCS) and ArcaOS trapped, and the old
    OS2 mostly predates ArcaOS. I first contemplated and
    checked whether heat, 'lvm' or 'format were
    responsible. I further investigated, and found that
    both OS use the newer JFS files, as I had installed the
    "JFS - Journaled File System for OS/2 v1.09.07"
    package.

    44251 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/CACHEJFS.EXE
    280192 0 0 2017-01-06 17:47 OS2/DLL/UJFS.DLL
    193319 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/JFS.IFS
    6495 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/JFSCHK32.EXE
    44949 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/jfsstats.exe

    I then checked an older backup, and found that the
    JFS files were different:

    44268 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/CACHEJFS.EXE
    99061 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/CHKLGJFS.EXE
    281594 0 0 2010-04-27 12:58 OS2/DLL/UJFS.DLL
    193291 0 0 2010-04-27 12:55 OS2/JFS.IFS
    6495 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/JFSCHK32.EXE

    I restored over all the old files, and the system
    ran and filled the 450 GB partitions faultlessly on
    both the Toshiba and SSD.

    Resolution:
    =============

    It appears that the new ArcaOS JFS faults writing to
    large partitions. It may be from a timing issue, as
    this problem originally occurred when restoring SSD
    drives. It also occurred on the spinning drive, but
    the Toshiba did successfully fill 400+ GB one time out
    of many traps.

    thanks,
    Baden
    --
    From Doug Bissett's ArcaOS
    dougb007 at telus dot net
    (Please make the obvious changes, to e-mail me)

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  • From Dave Yeo@21:1/5 to baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com on Sat Mar 27 23:48:04 2021
    On 03/27/21 09:45 PM, baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:
    Hi Doug:

    Thank-you very much for your prompt and informative response. I appreciate that someone with strong connections and unfaltering support for ArcaOS still monitors the usenet. Evidently, your technical knowledge, diplomacy, and business acumen might
    only be surpassed by Lewis Rosenthal in your endless quest for excellence.


    There's a couple of us volunteers who monitor the newsgroups. Doug
    basically said what I meant to. Note that neither Doug or I can speak
    for Arca Noae, just that we have _slightly_ more access to how things go
    with Arca Noae.

    On Saturday, 27 March 2021 at 11:17:23 UTC-6, Doug Bissett wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 05:30:34 UTC, "baden.ku...@gmail.com"
    <baden.ku...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Okay, I *finally* found what caused the traps. I was just reading on os2world how OS2AHCI.ADD is a replacement for the *506* drivers, which I never knew.

    Not exactly. OS2AHCI.ADD is support for the AHCI feature of SATA. The
    Dani drivers are really for IDE drives, but SATA has a feature to
    operate in IDE mode. You really do need to READ the documentation.

    If this is the case, how do both drivers function independently and identically? Would not there be a huge performance difference?


    Think of systems that used to be common, a AHCI hard drive plugged into
    a SATA port and a IDE DVD drive plugged into a IDE port. My current
    computer is the first I've had with no IDE port.
    Ideally the AHCI driver loads first and claims the hard drive and then
    the S506 driver loads and claims the left overs, namely anything plugged
    into the IDE interface, usually a DVD writer, but there has been times I plugged in an old HD.
    They should co-operate.

    I looked in my CONFIG.SYS, which had:

    BASEDEV=OS2AHCI.ADD
    BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD /!BIOS
    BASEDEV=DANIATAP.FLT

    I subsequently removed the AHCI driver, and all worked well. I then reinstated it, and removed the DANI drivers, and all worked well. So, with a large (JFS) partition, and both drivers active, the system can trap.

    Can someone let Arca know about this?

    Why? You are obviously using some ancient version of OS2AHCI, or you
    have an invalid configuration. The first driver to load, runs the
    device. Any other driver that loads, cannot operate the device, and
    doesn't even try (unless you also have some ancient version of the
    Dani driver).

    I wish I knew about this more than I do, but the best obvious information I can provide is:

    BldLevel: @#Arca Noae LLC:2.04#@##1## 12 Dec 2017 17:09:14 DAZAR1 ::::::@@AHCI Driver (c) 2017 Arca Noae LLC
    CmdLine: OS2AHCI.ADD /N
    port #0 interrupt error status: 0x40000001; restarting port
    port #0 interrupt error status: 0x40000001; restarting port
    Adapter 0: PCI=0:31:2 ID=8086:27c5 Intel ICH7M irq=16 addr=0xee444400 version=10100
    Port 0:
    Drive 0: 62260 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors per track (488382MB) (LVM)
    Model: Samsung SSD 860 PRO 512GB

    R1.08.15 /!BIOS
    Daniela's Bus Master IDE Driver for OS/2 Version 1.08.15 Controller:0 Port:01F0 IRQ:0E Status:OK BusMaster Scatter/Gather
    Intel ICH7 PATA host (8086:27DF rev:02) on PCI 0:31.1#0
    Unit:0 Status:OK ATAPI BusMaster UltraDMA2/PIO4
    Model:DVD/CDRW UJDA775 CB03
    Controller:1 Port:18D0 IRQ:10 Status:OK BusMaster Scatter/Gather
    Intel ICH7 SATA host (8086:27C5 rev:02) on PCI 0:31.2#0
    Unit:0 Status:OK LBA BusMaster 1.5GBit/s BPB
    Model:Samsung SSD 860 PRO 512GB RVM01B6Q
    OS2:log phys BPB/BIOS IDE:log phys Total Sectors
    C 62260 65535 65535 16383 Avail 1000215216
    H 255 16 255 16 16 OS2 1000206900
    S 63 63 63 63 63 % Used 99.99


    As Doug says, it is old drivers which have likely been fixed. Have to
    reproduce with the latest.

    IF you can make the latest OS2AHCI driver fail, then YOU need to
    report it, along with all of the required support documentation. Look
    in the Wiki for instructions on how to properly report a problem.
    Nobody else can do it, because we don't have your machine to be able
    to produce the supporting documentation.

    I am amazed that a purported OS vendor does not have test machines, especially a T60 or equivalent, which is one of the few laptops that might operate ArcaOS.

    Of course they do. From what I pick up they have quite a few. Lewis
    seems to have mostly T42 or T43, Andy (not sure of his involvement) has
    a T60, David, who maintains the AHCI driver, seems to have lots of
    changing devices, but they seem to be mostly newer as that is the focus.
    Us testers can spot problems with older hardware, hopefully.


    If you don't have a current subscription, you don't have support.
    Bitching about that here isn't going to do anybody any good.

    Arca should be enthusiastically receptive to receiving critical bug reports. We (customers) are doing them (vendor) a huge favour. How many customers just dropped the platform altogether after going through a fraction of the grief, time, and expense
    I did? Having closed subscription based fora (ostrich emulation mode) just exacerbates their hardware compatibility problems.


    They have to be bug reports on current drivers, otherwise it is just
    wasting developers time to tell you that your bug has been fixed. As
    Doug said, make a bug report with current drivers and you will get a
    positive response, including a fix most of the time and otherwise a
    description of why a fix is not possible. I have access to all bug
    reports and follow interesting ones, Arca Noae is very good at dealing
    with bug reports but they do demand that you run the most recent,
    including the debugging tools such as the script to learn about your
    system.

    As soon as ArcaOS has a viable browser and supports my external 1920 monitor, I will be the first to throw some more money their way.


    The proof of concept Simple Browser works surprisingly well, even
    gracefully recovering from crashes, with a "this tab crashed, reload?"
    type of thing. It is a proof of concept and very simple with no copy and
    paste support or even figuring out the URL you are going to without the
    whole thing typed in, but looks good remembering it is just a test
    program. Bitwise is not doing the port for free and needs money to pay
    for their developer, if you can afford to shoot 20+ euros their way, it
    would help. Bitwise is not Arca Noae. Use OS2VOICE for donations.
    And what is the problem with your 1920 monitor? ArcaOS should support
    it. I know my T42 works well when plugging in an external monitor.
    Dave

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  • From baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Dave Yeo on Sun Mar 28 22:13:17 2021
    Hi Dave:

    Thanks for your response.

    Before I get sidetracked and involved in details, the original intent of my penultimate message was only to let other OS/2 users know about my issue. A complex problem with a trivial solution. That is what fora are for. Ideally, Arca could log my
    issue, and if repeated with other users, maybe look into it. I surely don't think it is prudent and wise for me to buy a new ArcaOS just to determine whether the problem endures. I even more don't think it is worth it for Arca to troubleshoot a ticket
    for a single licence, when that issue is trivially circumvented as noted.

    On Sunday, 28 March 2021 at 00:48:07 UTC-6, Dave Yeo wrote:

    If this is the case, how do both drivers function independently and identically? Would not there be a huge performance difference?

    What I meant was that DANI benches the same with AHCI removed.

    Think of systems that used to be common, a AHCI hard drive plugged into
    a SATA port and a IDE DVD drive plugged into a IDE port. My current
    computer is the first I've had with no IDE port.
    Ideally the AHCI driver loads first and claims the hard drive and then
    the S506 driver loads and claims the left overs, namely anything plugged into the IDE interface, usually a DVD writer, but there has been times I plugged in an old HD.

    I have now removed OS2AHCI.ADD, as everything works fine with only DANI on a T60. I will be monitoring stability.

    They should co-operate.

    I am currently questioning that "co-operation". Examine these two OS2AHCI$ driver files, the first with no switches, and the second ignoring the '0' (IDE CDROM) adaptor. N.B. the errors in the first instance, which I do not think should be there"

    BldLevel: @#Arca Noae LLC:2.04#@##1## 12 Dec 2017 17:09:14 DAZAR1 ::::::@@AHCI Driver (c) 2017 Arca Noae LLC
    CmdLine: OS2AHCI.ADD /N
    port #0 interrupt error status: 0x40000001; restarting port
    port #0 interrupt error status: 0x40000001; restarting port
    Adapter 0: PCI=0:31:2 ID=8086:27c5 Intel ICH7M irq=16 addr=0xee444400 version=10100
    Port 0:
    Drive 0: 62260 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors per track (488382MB) (LVM)
    Model: Samsung SSD 860 PRO 512GB

    BldLevel: @#Arca Noae LLC:2.04#@##1## 12 Dec 2017 17:09:14 DAZAR1 ::::::@@AHCI Driver (c) 2017 Arca Noae LLC
    CmdLine: OS2AHCI.ADD /N /A:0 /I
    Adapter 0: PCI=0:31:2 ID=8086:27c5 Intel ICH7M irq=16 addr=0xee444400 version=10100
    Port 0:
    Drive 0: 62260 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors per track (488382MB) (LVM)
    Model: Samsung SSD 860 PRO 512GB

    BldLevel: @#Arca Noae LLC:2.04#@##1## 12 Dec 2017 17:09:14 DAZAR1 ::::::@@AHCI Driver (c) 2017 Arca Noae LLC

    R1.08.15 /!BIOS
    Daniela's Bus Master IDE Driver for OS/2 Version 1.08.15

    As Doug says, it is old drivers which have likely been fixed. Have to reproduce with the latest.

    Is there a newer DANIS506.ADD driver? I could not find one. On a source comparison with OS2AHCI.ADD 2.04 vs. 2.08 (the latest) there are significant changes. There also remain 3 references to DANIS506.ADD.

    They have to be bug reports on current drivers, otherwise it is just
    wasting developers time to tell you that your bug has been fixed. As
    Doug said, make a bug report with current drivers and you will get a positive response, including a fix most of the time and otherwise a description of why a fix is not possible. I have access to all bug
    reports and follow interesting ones, Arca Noae is very good at dealing

    How come the public do not have access to ArcaOS bug reports? That might mitigate all this hypothesising. Note that the last documented closed ticket on Trac was in 2014. http://trac.netlabs.org/ahci/report/6

    There are still several significant open tickets.

    with bug reports but they do demand that you run the most recent,
    including the debugging tools such as the script to learn about your
    system.

    It would be much easier for me to compile my own AHCI driver, but there is zero value in pursuing this, as DANI suffices perfectly.

    As soon as ArcaOS has a viable browser and supports my external 1920 monitor, I will be the first to throw some more money their way.

    The proof of concept Simple Browser works surprisingly well, even
    gracefully recovering from crashes, with a "this tab crashed, reload?"
    type of thing. It is a proof of concept and very simple with no copy and paste support or even figuring out the URL you are going to without the whole thing typed in, but looks good remembering it is just a test
    program. Bitwise is not doing the port for free and needs money to pay
    for their developer, if you can afford to shoot 20+ euros their way, it would help. Bitwise is not Arca Noae. Use OS2VOICE for donations.

    Shareware used to be "try before you buy". The new mantra seems to be "buy before you try". I am very wary from the (as expected) failed browser development attempts. I downloaded and tried the simple browser, but even though it loaded, it did not
    work after sucking down ~3 GB memory. I think there needs to be an impetus to visibly provide something that simply http functions, and then add later add enhanced functionally. Are there really any basic requirements for images, or especially videos?
    I remember that the original WebExplorer took four days from design to release.

    About ten days ago, my primary bank stopped working on all my OS/2 browsers. A few days later, another bank failed. Today, Yahoo search just stopped working on my stalwart seamonkey-2.35b7. The end is nigh!

    And what is the problem with your 1920 monitor? ArcaOS should support
    it. I know my T42 works well when plugging in an external monitor.
    Dave

    I have never been able to get functional 1920 x 1080 24bpp. 16 bpp, yes. Windows and Linux work superbly and additionally provide dual monitor support. The original motivation for me to buy ArcaOS was hoping for Panorama to provide 24 bpp. I found
    and downloaded ATOMBIOS.SYS which (only) allowed me to get 1872 x 1080 @ 24 bpp on my ATi X1300 T60. I am currently and adequately running 1680 x 1050 @ 24 bpp, but the fidelity at native resolution on Windows (XP,7) and Linux (Ubuntu) is immensely
    better. I assume that Linux also uses a Panorama base, so the OS/2 functionality shortfall is confusing.

    thanks for your help,
    Baden

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  • From Doug Bissett@21:1/5 to baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com on Mon Mar 29 06:15:01 2021
    On Sun, 28 Mar 2021 05:45:33 UTC, "baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com" <baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com> wrote:

    Hi Doug:

    Thank-you very much for your prompt and informative response. I appreciate that someone with strong connections and unfaltering support for ArcaOS still monitors the usenet. Evidently, your technical knowledge, diplomacy, and business acumen might
    only be surpassed by Lewis Rosenthal in your endless quest for excellence.

    You are welcome. BTW, I am only a happy customer, and I contribute
    time to test what Arca Naoe is building, and yes, "excellence" is the
    target.

    I do NOT speak for Arca Noae.

    On Saturday, 27 March 2021 at 11:17:23 UTC-6, Doug Bissett wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 05:30:34 UTC, "baden.ku...@gmail.com" <baden.ku...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Okay, I *finally* found what caused the traps. I was just reading on os2world how OS2AHCI.ADD is a replacement for the *506* drivers, which I never knew.

    Not exactly. OS2AHCI.ADD is support for the AHCI feature of SATA. The
    Dani drivers are really for IDE drives, but SATA has a feature to
    operate in IDE mode. You really do need to READ the documentation.

    If this is the case, how do both drivers function independently and identically? Would not there be a huge performance difference?

    You need to READ the OS2AHCI docs, and the Dani docs. Performance
    depends, a lot, on what the hardware can do.

    I looked in my CONFIG.SYS, which had:

    BASEDEV=OS2AHCI.ADD
    BASEDEV=DANIS506.ADD /!BIOS
    BASEDEV=DANIATAP.FLT

    I subsequently removed the AHCI driver, and all worked well. I then reinstated it, and removed the DANI drivers, and all worked well. So, with a large (JFS) partition, and both drivers active, the system can trap.

    Can someone let Arca know about this?

    Why? You are obviously using some ancient version of OS2AHCI, or you
    have an invalid configuration. The first driver to load, runs the
    device. Any other driver that loads, cannot operate the device, and
    doesn't even try (unless you also have some ancient version of the
    Dani driver).

    I wish I knew about this more than I do, but the best obvious information I can provide is:

    BldLevel: @#Arca Noae LLC:2.04#@##1## 12 Dec 2017 17:09:14 DAZAR1 ::::::@@AHCI Driver (c) 2017 Arca Noae LLC
    CmdLine: OS2AHCI.ADD /N
    port #0 interrupt error status: 0x40000001; restarting port
    port #0 interrupt error status: 0x40000001; restarting port
    Adapter 0: PCI=0:31:2 ID=8086:27c5 Intel ICH7M irq=16 addr=0xee444400 version=10100
    Port 0:
    Drive 0: 62260 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors per track (488382MB) (LVM)
    Model: Samsung SSD 860 PRO 512GB

    This doesn't tell us the version of OS2AHCI.ADD. The latest is version
    2.08, from March 14 2021.

    Try taking the /N parameter off of the OS2AHCI line in CONFIG.SYS. It
    is known that some systems do not implement ncq support properly.

    R1.08.15 /!BIOS
    Daniela's Bus Master IDE Driver for OS/2 Version 1.08.15

    At least this is the latet Dani driver.

    Controller:0 Port:01F0 IRQ:0E Status:OK BusMaster Scatter/Gather
    Intel ICH7 PATA host (8086:27DF rev:02) on PCI 0:31.1#0
    Unit:0 Status:OK ATAPI BusMaster UltraDMA2/PIO4
    Model:DVD/CDRW UJDA775 CB03
    Controller:1 Port:18D0 IRQ:10 Status:OK BusMaster Scatter/Gather
    Intel ICH7 SATA host (8086:27C5 rev:02) on PCI 0:31.2#0
    Unit:0 Status:OK LBA BusMaster 1.5GBit/s BPB
    Model:Samsung SSD 860 PRO 512GB RVM01B6Q
    OS2:log phys BPB/BIOS IDE:log phys Total Sectors
    C 62260 65535 65535 16383 Avail 1000215216
    H 255 16 255 16 16 OS2 1000206900
    S 63 63 63 63 63 % Used 99.99

    This output indicates that you have both drivers loaded, and trying to
    operate a "Model: Samsung SSD 860 PRO 512GB". Perhaps you have two
    drives, or the drivers are not cooperating to select which driver gets
    to run the drive. READ the docs, and add parameters to select which
    driver gets to run the devices. This should never happen, but older
    drivers didn't know about that.

    IF you can make the latest OS2AHCI driver fail, then YOU need to
    report it, along with all of the required support documentation. Look
    in the Wiki for instructions on how to properly report a problem.
    Nobody else can do it, because we don't have your machine to be able
    to produce the supporting documentation.

    I am amazed that a purported OS vendor does not have test machines, especially a T60 or equivalent, which is one of the few laptops that might operate ArcaOS.

    There is more than one tester who has similar hardware (and there are
    MANY modern laptops that work well with ArcaOS). I have an IBM
    ThinkPad T43, which works well. I also test on an Asus A88XM-A (A6
    processor), Asus M3A78-EM (quad processor), Lenovo ThinkPad T510,
    Lenovo ThinkPad L530, IBM ThinkPad A22e, Dell GX270, Dell 4300, and an
    Asus P4VP. My screens include a 1920x1080, 1280x1024, 1024x768. and an
    old 1366x768 TV set, with VGA adapter. They all work well, but I
    cannot run a 1280x1024 screen on the oldest Dell. The video adapter
    just doesn't have what it takes. It is okay with 1024x768 (even when
    using a 1280x1024 screen).

    The A88XM-A, and the L530 are UEFI capable, and testing with UEFI is
    under way. It might be made available, along with more language
    support, in Arca OS 5.1. The T510, and the L530, are using 500 GB
    Seagate Baracuda SSD drives. I use /N /F on the OS2AHCI line, in
    CONFIG.SYS, on systems capable of using AHCI. I don't know what
    support a T60 has for AHCI.

    If you don't have a current subscription, you don't have support.
    Bitching about that here isn't going to do anybody any good.

    Arca should be enthusiastically receptive to receiving critical bug reports. We (customers) are doing them (vendor) a huge favour. How many customers just dropped the platform altogether after going through a fraction of the grief, time, and expense
    I did? Having closed subscription based fora (ostrich emulation mode) just exacerbates their hardware compatibility problems.

    Are you a customer, or a freeloader? If you are a customer, update,
    and then report problems, if they still exist. If you are a
    freeloader, quit bitching. That is your choice. Arca Noae doesn't have
    the time to deal with freeloaders, and they can't be dealing with
    ancient problems, that are probably already fixed.

    As soon as ArcaOS has a viable browser and supports my external 1920 monitor, I will be the first to throw some more money their way.

    1920x1080 (even larger) monitors work well, as long as the video
    adapter is capable, and you have a reasonably recent version of
    Panorama. NVIDIA video adapters are usually not capable, and most
    older adapters just don't have the capability to run a 1920x1080
    screen.

    The browser is up to Bitwiseworks. Arca Noae simply supports what they
    do. That is taking a lot longer than anybody expected, but all of the indications are, that it will be available for public testing soon
    (soon could be a couple of months, or even longer, if they run into
    more problems).

    thanks,
    Baden


    On Saturday, 1 June 2019 at 20:11:12 UTC-5, ba...@baden.nu wrote:
    It appears that the ArcaOS JFS driver is trapping on
    my system.

    Background:
    =============

    I have a T60, which had a 512 GB Crucial SSD (2014),
    that bricked in December after some partitioning
    efforts. I replaced that with a 512 GB spinning
    Toshiba and (almost) identical partition setup. I
    recently received a new Crucial 512 GB SSD, and when I
    was transferring files, I had some write problems, and
    then it continually trapped ('e' & '8' mostly in
    OS2KRNL) while I was attempting to restore a 450 GB
    partition. After some more errors, I determined the
    SSD had write errors, and I returned and replaced it
    with a Samsung 860 Pro. I partitioned that the same,
    but surprisingly, it also trapped while restoring files
    on the large partition.

    The 454 GB partition kept trapping at 89 GB written.
    I changed the partition size to different values, and
    smaller partitions would allow more writing. Finally,
    at a 300 GB size, I could fill the partition without
    trapping. I thought it was a SSD unique problem, until
    afterwards I checked the Toshiba, which I had earlier
    only filled with about 50 GB onto the large partition.
    That drive also trapped at about 100 GB filled.

    My system is partitioned with a HPFS C: franken
    OS/2 installation, which has much eCS. It ran for ten
    years without issues, originally on 512 GB spinning
    rust, and the last 4.5 years on a 512 GB SSD. D: Drive
    is a minimal HPFS maintenance partition, and E: Drive
    is JFS ArcaOS 5.0 (was eCS).


    Logical Volume Type Status File System Size (MB)

    OS2 C: Compatibility Startable HPFS 502
    Maint D: Compatibility HPFS 15
    ArcaOS E: Compatibility JFS 1027
    Data F: LVM JFS 32002
    Fotos G: LVM JFS 454830


    Determination:
    =============

    This trap problem only started in May after I tried
    restoring a large partition using ArcaOS 5.0 on SSDs.
    Both the old OS (eCS) and ArcaOS trapped, and the old
    OS2 mostly predates ArcaOS. I first contemplated and
    checked whether heat, 'lvm' or 'format were
    responsible. I further investigated, and found that
    both OS use the newer JFS files, as I had installed the
    "JFS - Journaled File System for OS/2 v1.09.07"
    package.

    44251 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/CACHEJFS.EXE
    280192 0 0 2017-01-06 17:47 OS2/DLL/UJFS.DLL
    193319 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/JFS.IFS
    6495 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/JFSCHK32.EXE
    44949 0 0 2016-10-24 09:48 OS2/jfsstats.exe

    I then checked an older backup, and found that the
    JFS files were different:

    44268 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/CACHEJFS.EXE
    99061 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/CHKLGJFS.EXE
    281594 0 0 2010-04-27 12:58 OS2/DLL/UJFS.DLL
    193291 0 0 2010-04-27 12:55 OS2/JFS.IFS
    6495 0 0 2010-04-27 12:57 OS2/JFSCHK32.EXE

    I restored over all the old files, and the system
    ran and filled the 450 GB partitions faultlessly on
    both the Toshiba and SSD.

    Resolution:
    =============

    It appears that the new ArcaOS JFS faults writing to
    large partitions. It may be from a timing issue, as
    this problem originally occurred when restoring SSD
    drives. It also occurred on the spinning drive, but
    the Toshiba did successfully fill 400+ GB one time out
    of many traps.

    thanks,
    Baden
    --
    From Doug Bissett's ArcaOS
    dougb007 at telus dot net
    (Please make the obvious changes, to e-mail me)


    --
    From Doug Bissett's ArcaOS
    dougb007 at telus dot net
    (Please make the obvious changes, to e-mail me)

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