baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Dave:

After several days running r3, and many tying hours configuring it, I now have something fairly usable.

Good to hear.

- I made a new profile (Tools)
- This fixed the startup issue

Yes, profile corruption is one of the banes of Mozilla.

- I changed the browser fonts to adobe (Edit, Preferences, Appearance, Fonts)

- I added a chrome/userchrome.css file to change the menu fonts

/* Global UI font */
* { font-size: 11pt !important;
font-family: sans-serif !important;
}

I'll have to try this.

- I migrated over (Tools, Add-ons Manager, gear icon at top) FireShot, so that now works well

- FireFtp is dead. Development has stopped, and prior versions do not work. I will retain SM 2.14 as my ftp browser.

Version 2.0.31 seems to work fine here. The problem is that Mozilla has
killed xul in favour of webextensions. This does fix a lot of
instability but also severly limits what an extension can do. Extensions
like FireFTP just can't work with FF 57 or newer and they're up to 62.
This is going to create more problems for us as the old extensions get
harder to find.

- The stability is not as good as SM 2.35, but it is acceptable. (Maybe 7 vs. 8)

How do you find it to be unstable? Here it does occasionally freeze and
about once a month, crashes in some font code.
I was frustrated with 2.35 screwing with my history, it never seemed to finalize the places.sqlite file during shutdown, leaving a
places.sqlite.wal file in my profile. The wal stands for write ahead
log, sorta like a journal.
Dave

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On Sunday, 1 July 2018 00:19:15 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:

baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:

- The stability is not as good as SM 2.35, but it is acceptable. (Maybe 7 vs. 8)

How do you find it to be unstable? Here it does occasionally freeze and about once a month, crashes in some font code.
I was frustrated with 2.35 screwing with my history, it never seemed to finalize the places.sqlite file during shutdown, leaving a
places.sqlite.wal file in my profile. The wal stands for write ahead
log, sorta like a journal.
Dave

Hi Dave:

r3 freezes or crashes several times a day on me, somewhat more than 2.35. The crashes occur most often when trying to download from the browser, and they seem to be random. The freezes occur most when the browser is using a lot of memory, say more than
1 GB.

thanks,
Baden

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baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:

On Sunday, 1 July 2018 00:19:15 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:

baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:

- The stability is not as good as SM 2.35, but it is acceptable. (Maybe 7 vs. 8)

How do you find it to be unstable? Here it does occasionally freeze and
about once a month, crashes in some font code.
I was frustrated with 2.35 screwing with my history, it never seemed to
finalize the places.sqlite file during shutdown, leaving a
places.sqlite.wal file in my profile. The wal stands for write ahead
log, sorta like a journal.
Dave

Hi Dave:

r3 freezes or crashes several times a day on me, somewhat more than 2.35. The crashes occur most often when trying to download from the browser, and they seem to be random. The freezes occur most when the browser is using a lot of memory, say more

than 1 GB.

Hmm, sounds like the download manager bug is still there. Only seems to
affect some people. Things to try, clearing the download list or going
into Preferences--Browser--Downloads and switching to "Open a progress
dialog" or installing awget (Hobbes) and letting wget handle all your downloads.
As for memory, have you marked xul.dll to load its code high?
Dave

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Hi Dave:

On Wednesday, 4 July 2018 09:49:34 UTC-5, Dave Yeo wrote:

r3 freezes or crashes several times a day on me, somewhat more than 2.35. The crashes occur most often when trying to download from the browser, and they seem to be random. The freezes occur most when the browser is using a lot of memory, say more

than 1 GB.

Hmm, sounds like the download manager bug is still there. Only seems to affect some people. Things to try, clearing the download list or going
into Preferences--Browser--Downloads and switching to "Open a progress dialog" or installing awget (Hobbes) and letting wget handle all your downloads.

It's not that debilitating, a second attempt usually works.

As for memory, have you marked xul.dll to load its code high?
Dave

I am not sure what to do here. About six months ago, I increased "VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=3072" which immensely increased stability.

I downloaded "highmem-20140406-os2", but I am not sure if this is the correct tool.

thanks,
Baden

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baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:

As for memory, have you marked xul.dll to load its code high?
Dave

I am not sure what to do here. About six months ago, I increased "VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=3072" which immensely increased stability.

I downloaded "highmem-20140406-os2", but I am not sure if this is the correct tool.

Sounds right. Should be an executable, highmem.exe, just run (with the
browser closed) highmem -c xul.dll. Run highmem -? for all the options.
It probably also includes a Freesharedmem.exe, which will give you some
idea of how much lower shared memory you have available. Just note it
doesn't consider memory fragmentation.
Dave

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In "Re: Browsers", on 2018-07-11 at 08:17:00 (-0700 UT),
Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> said:

baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:

As for memory, have you marked xul.dll to load its code high?
Dave

I am not sure what to do here. About six months ago, I increased "VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=3072" which immensely increased stability.

I downloaded "highmem-20140406-os2", but I am not sure if this is the correct tool.

Sounds right. Should be an executable, highmem.exe, just run (with the >browser closed) highmem -c xul.dll. Run highmem -? for all the options.

It looks like it worked:

[F:\temp\highmem-20140406-os2\bin]highmem -c F:\Applications\seamonkey-test3\se
amonkey\xul.dll
Processing module : F:\Applications\seamonkey-test3\seamonkey\xul.dll MODIFIED

It probably also includes a Freesharedmem.exe, which will give you some
idea of how much lower shared memory you have available. Just note it
doesn't consider memory fragmentation.
Dave

No, the package didn't include this. I see there is a newer Thesus (4) that may work, as my older version was SNAFUed a long time ago by a fix-pack.

Also, when I searched for XUL.DLL, the results were interesting:

2018/06/05 43999599 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.42.9esr_r3.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2017/06/01 42512058 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.42.9esr.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2017/06/01 42512058 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.35a1.en.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll 2016/06/17 37657817 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.35b7.en-US.os2\seamonkey-2.35b7.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2014/11/02 32897123 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.21b1.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2014/06/21 22979696 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.14.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2014/03/25 21164042 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.7.2.r2.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2013/01/08 21168322 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.7.2.en-US.os2.10.12\seamonkey\xul.dll
2011/12/21 20997694 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.6.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2011/04/21 50744 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.0.14.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2010/11/27 50744 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.0.11.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll

And finally, as usual, all this effort appears to have time limited utility, as just in the last short while, my bank, Air Canada and WestJet now malfunction with your last SeaMonkey (r3).

I had to update Firefox on Windows to version 61 to get these sites to function.

thanks,
Baden

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baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:

In "Re: Browsers", on 2018-07-11 at 08:17:00 (-0700 UT),
Dave Yeo <dave.r.yeo@gmail.com> said:

baden.kudrenecky@gmail.com wrote:

As for memory, have you marked xul.dll to load its code high?
Dave

I am not sure what to do here. About six months ago, I increased "VIRTUALADDRESSLIMIT=3072" which immensely increased stability.

I downloaded "highmem-20140406-os2", but I am not sure if this is the correct tool.

Sounds right. Should be an executable, highmem.exe, just run (with the
browser closed) highmem -c xul.dll. Run highmem -? for all the options.

It looks like it worked:

[F:\temp\highmem-20140406-os2\bin]highmem -c F:\Applications\seamonkey-test3\se
amonkey\xul.dll
Processing module : F:\Applications\seamonkey-test3\seamonkey\xul.dll MODIFIED

Good. It just sets a bit in the exe header.

It probably also includes a Freesharedmem.exe, which will give you some
idea of how much lower shared memory you have available. Just note it
doesn't consider memory fragmentation.
Dave

No, the package didn't include this. I see there is a newer Thesus (4) that may work, as my older version was SNAFUed a long time ago by a fix-pack.

Yes Theseus 4 should work. Doesn't need a driver either.

Also, when I searched for XUL.DLL, the results were interesting:

2018/06/05 43999599 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.42.9esr_r3.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2017/06/01 42512058 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.42.9esr.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2017/06/01 42512058 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.35a1.en.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2016/06/17 37657817 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.35b7.en-US.os2\seamonkey-2.35b7.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2014/11/02 32897123 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.21b1.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2014/06/21 22979696 F:\Applications\seamonkey-2.14.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2014/03/25 21164042 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.7.2.r2.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2013/01/08 21168322 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.7.2.en-US.os2.10.12\seamonkey\xul.dll
2011/12/21 20997694 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.6.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2011/04/21 50744 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.0.14.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll
2010/11/27 50744 F:\Applications\Obsolete\seamonkey-2.0.11.en-US.os2\seamonkey\xul.dll

Yea, xul.dll has been around for a long time. Luckily Mozilla apps are
smart enough to look in their own folder for xul.dll etc, just be
careful running different version at the same time.

And finally, as usual, all this effort appears to have time limited utility, as just in the last short while, my bank, Air Canada and WestJet now malfunction with your last SeaMonkey (r3).

I had to update Firefox on Windows to version 61 to get these sites to function.

It's the shits that some of these sites are so quick to use the latest features, especially since 52ESR is still supported and there are users
using XP who can't update.
Dave

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