I would like my old posts to be deleted from mail-archive.com. The
site administrator of mail-archive.com refused to delete my old posts
from the group comp.os.linux.hardware and said that he will do it only
when the list administrator of comp.os.linux.hardware asks him to do
it.
There is no administrator.
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https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
I would like my old posts to be deleted from mail-archive.com. The
site administrator of mail-archive.com refused to delete my old posts
from the group comp.os.linux.hardware and said that he will do it only
when the list administrator of comp.os.linux.hardware asks him to do
it.
One of the problems is also that there is a weak
connection between a person asking to delete a post
and the fact that this person was the original author.
In other words, how can you prove you were the author
of the posts you asked to delete?
The email address in the posts is not a valid
authentication mechanism, since anybody can put
anything there.
Thank you for your answer. That means that there is no list owner or something similar?
Piergiorgio Sartor <piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> writes:
One of the problems is also that there is a weak
connection between a person asking to delete a post
and the fact that this person was the original author.
In other words, how can you prove you were the author
of the posts you asked to delete?
The email address in the posts is not a valid
authentication mechanism, since anybody can put
anything there.
If someone who isn’t wong.jim1980 forges their address, I’d be comfortable with wong.jim1980 being able to delete the resulting posts
as easily as messages they posted themselves.
In theory, the "administrator" should then contact the
address in the post and ask for confirmation.
I guess this would be impractical.
Nonsense, it’s perfectly practical, websites do it automatically all the time.
On 2018-08-25 11:35, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
Piergiorgio Sartor
<piergiorgio.sartor.this.should.not.be.used@nexgo.REMOVETHIS.de> writes:
One of the problems is also that there is a weak
connection between a person asking to delete a post
and the fact that this person was the original author.
In other words, how can you prove you were the author
of the posts you asked to delete?
The email address in the posts is not a valid
authentication mechanism, since anybody can put
anything there.
If someone who isn’t wong.jim1980 forges their address, I’d be
comfortable with wong.jim1980 being able to delete the resulting posts
as easily as messages they posted themselves.
But it could be the other way around.
Someone can claim posts made with the "wong.jim1980" address
and ask to delete them, without being "wong.jim1980".
In theory, the "administrator" should then contact the
address in the post and ask for confirmation.
I guess this would be impractical.
On 2018-08-25 12:21, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
In theory, the "administrator" should then contact the
address in the post and ask for confirmation.
I guess this would be impractical.
Nonsense, it’s perfectly practical, websites do it automatically all
the time.
"website", not usenet server admins.
"website", not usenet server admins.
The technique is the same whoever happens to be in control.
On 2018-08-25 12:47, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
[...]
"website", not usenet server admins.
The technique is the same whoever happens to be in control.
It is not a problem of technique, it is a
problem of baseline.
As mentioned before, there is a too wide
baseline to be sure this will be effective.
Not only this, but posts in usenet could
be without a valid email address, so who
will be contacted in this case?
So, there is no way to be forgotten in the usenet? A server administrator might refuse to delete messages upon requests and you have no chance to have your old messages deleted. You are right that I could ask to delete old posts from somebody else, asI cannot prove that I wrote the messages but, why should I do it?
Piergiorgio Sartor
On 2018-08-25 12:47, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
[...]
"website", not usenet server admins.
The technique is the same whoever happens to be in control.
It is not a problem of technique, it is a
problem of baseline.
As mentioned before, there is a too wide
baseline to be sure this will be effective.
If you mean there are many servers, the answer is simple: they can
choose (or not) to trust a single verification agency. There is plenty
of precedent for this on Usenet in the form of anti-spam measures.
Not only this, but posts in usenet could
be without a valid email address, so who
will be contacted in this case?
Nobody. In this hypothetical if you don’t use a valid email address for your postings you don’t get to delete them.
--
https://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/
So, there is no way to be forgotten in the usenet?
A server administrator might refuse to delete messages upon requests
and you have no chance to have your old messages deleted. You are
right that I could ask to delete old posts from somebody else, as I
cannot prove that I wrote the messages but, why should I do it?
In other words, how can you prove you were the author
of the posts you asked to delete?
wong.jim1980@gmail.com writes:
So, there is no way to be forgotten in the usenet?
Correct.
A server administrator might refuse to delete messages upon requests
and you have no chance to have your old messages deleted. You are
right that I could ask to delete old posts from somebody else, as I
cannot prove that I wrote the messages but, why should I do it?
It wasn’t designed with this in mind. You could try legal action but it could be expensive...
On 2018-08-25 14:49, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
wong.jim1980@gmail.com writes:
So, there is no way to be forgotten in the usenet?
Correct.
A server administrator might refuse to delete messages upon requests
and you have no chance to have your old messages deleted. You are
right that I could ask to delete old posts from somebody else, as I
cannot prove that I wrote the messages but, why should I do it?
It wasn’t designed with this in mind. You could try legal action but
it could be expensive...
And he would have to litigate on every country in the world known to
have an nntp server.
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