MS revenue is up:
* 115.2x since the release of GuhNoo/Linux in 1991
* 6.6x since Torvalds said 21 years ago that Linux would
unintentionally "destroy Microsoft"
* 3.4x since cola advocate 7 said in 2010 that "Linux is going to kill
Micoshaft Crocporation"
* 3.0x since cola advocate Roy Spamowitz said in 2011 that "Microsoft
is dying on its own"
* 2.4x since cola advocate Feeb said in 2017 that "Microshit will go
down in history as an abject failure"
The prescience of GuhNoo/Linux idiots is a wonder to behold.
-------------------------------
Revenue Employees
FY $B Chg K Chg -------------------------------
1991 1.8 8 1992 2.8 50% 12 40%
1993 3.8 36% 14 25%
1994 4.7 24% 15 3%
1995 5.9 28% 18 17%
1996 8.7 46% 21 16%
1997 11.4 31% 22 8%
1998 14.5 27% 27 22%
1999 19.8 36% 31 16%
2000 23.0 16% 39 25%
2001 25.3 10% 47 22%
2002 28.4 12% 50 6%
2003 32.2 13% 55 9%
2004 36.8 14% 57 4%
2005 39.8 8% 61 7%
2006 44.3 11% 71 16%
2007 51.1 15% 79 11%
2008 60.4 18% 91 15%
2009 58.4 -3% 93 2%
2010 62.5 7% 89 -4%
2011 69.9 12% 90 1%
2012 73.7 5% 94 4%
2013 77.9 6% 99 5%
2014 86.8 12% 128 29%
2015 93.6 8% 118 -8%
2016 85.3 -9% 114 -3%
2017 90.0 6% 124 9%
2018 110.4 23% 131 6%
2019 125.8 14% 144 10%
2020 143.0 14% 163 13%
2021 168.1 18% 181 11%
2022 198.3 18% 221 22%
2023 211.9 7% 221 0%
-------------------------------
employee counts (rounded by me) https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/msft/employees/
revenue from various sources
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
MS revenue is up:
Maybe you have a point, but Windows 11 is still bloatware. I have had virtually all good experiences with Mint on the newer computer. It
takes advantage of its modern power without the baggage of M$.
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:48:09 -0400, DFS wrote:
MS revenue is up:
revenue from various sources
It's certainly getting bigger, even if its success can't be measured by
the traditional, corporate means. Linux doesn't seem to want to take over
the desktop anymore because it was taken over just about everything else anyway.
Andrzej Matuch wrote:
It's certainly getting bigger, even if its success can't be measured by
the traditional, corporate means. Linux doesn't seem to want to take over
the desktop anymore because it was taken over just about everything else
anyway.
Linux doesn't want to "take over" anything. It's simply laid out there for >people / companies to choose, or not.
Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:48:09 -0400, DFS wrote:
MS revenue is up:
revenue from various sources
It's certainly getting bigger, even if its success can't be measured by
the traditional, corporate means. Linux doesn't seem to want to take over
the desktop anymore because it was taken over just about everything else
anyway.
Linux doesn't want to "take over" anything. It's simply laid out there for people / companies to choose, or not.
On 4/23/2024 4:53 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:48:09 -0400, DFS wrote:
MS revenue is up:
revenue from various sources
It's certainly getting bigger, even if its success can't be measured by
the traditional, corporate means. Linux doesn't seem to want to take over >>> the desktop anymore because it was taken over just about everything else >>> anyway.
Linux doesn't want to "take over" anything. It's simply laid out there for >> people / companies to choose, or not.
Of course the software product doesn't desire anything. It's the
oddball adherents who want it to "take over" and "kill" everything else.
Even Torvalds had some kind of delusion that Linux would "destroy
Microsoft".
Everything starts and ends with cola "advocate" Rexxie Ballard, of course:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
* Java and Linux itself: "Contributor to General Public License (GPL) software pool, including work-for-hire that lead to JAVA (Dow Data
Protocol), Client/Server computing (RPC), and Linux."
* Java: "Sun reworked the [Rexxie-led Dow Data Protocol project] code a
bit and created a new Language/Protocol called Java."
* GPL: "As we reviewed the goals, we drafted the language for what was
first known as the "General Public License".
* Netscape and the Web browsing industry: "Meanwhile, I was making reccomendations to the publisher's mailing list. I was making
reccomendations on how the Mosaic browser could be modified to provide electronic commerce, royalty distribution, and advertizing accounting.
In a few weeks, the author's of Mosaic implemented those changes in a
new browser called NetScape. After a bit of tuning and a few thousand downloads, NetScape issued it's IPO and made headlines everywhere. In a matter of six months, I had generated a 4 billion dollar industry."
* secure http: "I wrote the initial specification for SHTTP."
* the concept of remote procedure calls: "Yes. I was working at
Computer Consoles, with a coworker named Larry Early. I was working on
the concept of a "virtual call". We came up with a parser, written in
YACC, that would take something similar to a C header file and generate
C code that would take the arguments to a function, convert them to
serial format, and send them through a stream to the "server", and
convert the recieved reply from serial format to arguments - the client
stub. The same parser would also generate the server skeleton (not the
term we used at the time) which would covert the serialized request into
the request and call the desired routine, then convert the results to
serial format, and send them back to the client over a stream.
We did this with serial protocol as well as TCP and UDP. We kept it
as generic as possible because Power 6/32 still had some proprietary communications links."
* SSL (secure sockets layer): "Netscape took this high level project description, along with my usual 4 page description of how this might be
done (you can see from my posts on cola that I'm not exactly one to
write short notes). A few weeks later, they had implemented SSL."
* Internet standards: "Developed databases, operating systems, and applications for distributed processing systems of up to 1000 CPUs in
fault tolerant (99.997% uptime) configurations. This work led to many of
the standards now used on the Internet and Intranet."
* explosion of Linux web servers: "I told the publishers about Linux and showed them how they could set up a dedicated PPP link to a local
internet service provider and publish their content via the Web, for
under $1000. Suddenly there were about 8000 web servers on the
internet, mostly powered by Linux."
* $2 million per day in revenue/savings at FedEx
* creator of $1 billion industries
* is Cisco Network Engineer #5
* helped create one of the first digitized voice response systems
* saved IBM nearly $24 million
* dual-boot Windows and Linux is his idea: "Two weeks after the first
OEM comes out with systems running BOTH Linux and Windows, everyone will forget I ever suggested it, and take credit for it themselves."
* the success of Yahoo and Amazon: "Now imagine you are one
of 200 or even 2000 or even 8000 people observing this conversation -
being conducted between this consultant and a handful of questioners who
are asking very pointed and specific questions. Now, suppose that 100
or 200 of those "lurkers" started posting their results, and started
asking questions as to how to take it to the next level? They have
really funny names like Yahoo, Amazon, and Lycos. At first, these are unheard of names, but before long, they became huge names."
* Military weaponry: "It was then that my aviation club teacher showed
me a film of some "toys" which the military had developed out of notes
taken from my locker. Things like drone missles, personnel detectors,
and terrain following missles." (DFS: hahha!! This one's priceless!)
* features in MS-DOS: "They even let me send samples
of my code to Microsoft, along with my reccomendations to CP/M. We
slapped copyright notices all over everything and sent it via registered mail. The decided not to hire me, and decided to use my reccomendations
in MS-DOS. The neglected to pay Data-Law for this copyrighted material. Instead, they just did a "clean room" implementation."
* features in Windows 2000: "They [Microsoft] spent 18 hours pumping me
for design ideas for Windows 2000 and then withdrew their offer (which I wasn't going to accept anyway). They said I didn't have the Microsoft Religion". But they incorporated about 20 of the 30 reccomendations I proposed."
* his behavior in the theater program in college was Robin Williams' inspiration for his character Mork on Mork & Mindy.
* his online writing is the basis for Nicholas Negroponte's book
"Being Digital" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now we have another IT Sooperman: Feeb Russell:
"Give me C, simple and unchanging C, and I shall bury these Microslop cronies."
Why does GuhNoo/FOSS attract so many liars and delusional oddballs?
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 14:06 this Wednesday (GMT):
Why does GuhNoo/FOSS attract so many liars and delusional oddballs?
In my opinion, it's because Windows and Mac are so big that you have to >>give up some things to migrate, which most people don't want to do. The >>only people who willingly switch are nerds, or generally "odd".
True, it's the apps that sell the OS, people want M$ Office and
Photoshop. We're nerds who can handle Linux, because we tinker in a
way they aren't inclined to do.
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 14:06 this Wednesday (GMT):
Why does GuhNoo/FOSS attract so many liars and delusional oddballs?
In my opinion, it's because Windows and Mac are so big that you have to
give up some things to migrate, which most people don't want to do. The
only people who willingly switch are nerds, or generally "odd".
MS revenue is up:
On 2024-04-25, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:48:09 -0400, DFS wrote:
MS revenue is up:
Of course it is. Windows is more profitable than ever. There has been
absolutely no decline in its quality at all, no problems with patches to
fix those problems, often needing patches of their own to fix their own
problems.
And there is absolutely no need for Microsoft to shore up sagging Windows
revenues by forcing users to view advertising while using their own
computers.
And don't forget to add inflation into the mix. Thanks to Biden's Deep State puppet masters ("you'll own nothing and like it"), the prices of everything are at all time time highs. So more income doesn't necessarily translate
into higher REAL revenue.
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:48:09 -0400, DFS wrote:
MS revenue is up:
Of course it is. Windows is more profitable than ever. There has been absolutely no decline in its quality at all, no problems with patches to
fix those problems, often needing patches of their own to fix their own problems.
And there is absolutely no need for Microsoft to shore up sagging Windows revenues by forcing users to view advertising while using their own computers.
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
On 4/24/2024 10:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 14:06 this Wednesday (GMT):
Why does GuhNoo/FOSS attract so many liars and delusional oddballs?
In my opinion, it's because Windows and Mac are so big that you have to
give up some things to migrate, which most people don't want to do. The
only people who willingly switch are nerds, or generally "odd".
What did you give up to migrate to Linux?
Note: I don't think Jesus - I mean Joel - will like being called 'odd'.
It's not entirely false, actually, the use of Linux even as cool of a
way as I do
is "odd" in some way, I guess, it's not just going into
Best Buy or whatever and coming home with a prefab machine. But I do
believe I make Linux look good.
On 4/24/2024 10:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 14:06 this Wednesday (GMT):
Why does GuhNoo/FOSS attract so many liars and delusional oddballs?
In my opinion, it's because Windows and Mac are so big that you have to
give up some things to migrate, which most people don't want to do. The
only people who willingly switch are nerds, or generally "odd".
What did you give up to migrate to Linux?
Note: I don't think Jesus - I mean Joel - will like being called 'odd'.
On 2024-04-25, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On 2024-04-25, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:48:09 -0400, DFS wrote:
MS revenue is up:
Of course it is. Windows is more profitable than ever. There has been
absolutely no decline in its quality at all, no problems with patches to >>>> fix those problems, often needing patches of their own to fix their own >>>> problems.
And there is absolutely no need for Microsoft to shore up sagging Windows >>>> revenues by forcing users to view advertising while using their own
computers.
And don't forget to add inflation into the mix. Thanks to Biden's Deep State
puppet masters ("you'll own nothing and like it"), the prices of everything >>> are at all time time highs. So more income doesn't necessarily translate >>> into higher REAL revenue.
Greedflation, it seems. Also, the "puppet masters" seem to like the prospect of
more tax breaks under Trump.
It doesn't matter who's in the White House, the Uniparty myrmidons continue taking their marching orders from the same puppet masters. The only thing that changes is the rhetoric.
The neo-Nazi government in Ukraine gets our 60-some billion$ …
and the
genocidal government in Israel gets our 20-some billion$.
Meanwhile our
border continues to be wide open.
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 10:00:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
I keep hearing bitter and petty Linux users whine about 'forced
advertising' but I've yet to see it in Win 11.
https://betanews.com/2024/04/24/start-menu-ads-are-rolling-out-to-all- windows-11-users-heres-how-to-turn-them-off/
Coming soon to a desktop near you.
On 4/25/2024 12:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 10:00:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
I keep hearing bitter and petty Linux users whine about 'forced
advertising' but I've yet to see it in Win 11.
https://betanews.com/2024/04/24/start-menu-ads-are-rolling-out-to-all-
windows-11-users-heres-how-to-turn-them-off/
Coming soon to a desktop near you.
"Windows 11 users who do not want to see ads for applications in the
Start menu may turn them off..."
The day MS makes me watch video ads for 3rd party products just to use Windows ... is the day I watch video ads for 3rd party products just to
use Windows.
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:[snip]
On 4/24/2024 8:02 PM, Joel wrote:
You installed a vanilla distro
??? What does that mean? It's a popular distro, so what?
and you run some Windows apps in Wine.
No, that's mIRC and Agent, not everything else, dummy.
What's the cool part?
It doesn't look like Russell's lame system.
is "odd" in some way, I guess, it's not just going into
Best Buy or whatever and coming home with a prefab machine. But I do
believe I make Linux look good.
To make Linux (any personal OS) look good, you need a sweet desktop and >>wallpaper, shown on a large hi-def monitor, and ideally connected to a >>beastly PC. A hottie standing nearby in a bikini with a snake around
her shoulders would help, too.
I have a 4K monitor.
I keep hearing bitter and petty Linux users whine about 'forced
advertising' but I've yet to see it in Win 11.
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 15:11 this Thursday (GMT):
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:[snip]
On 4/24/2024 8:02 PM, Joel wrote:
You installed a vanilla distro
??? What does that mean? It's a popular distro, so what?
and you run some Windows apps in Wine.
No, that's mIRC and Agent, not everything else, dummy.
If it works, it works?
Right, I use those two apps because of familiarity and having them
configured to my liking, and they run well under Wine. It doesn't
mean I don't use native Unix-like apps.
What's the cool part?
It doesn't look like Russell's lame system.
is "odd" in some way, I guess, it's not just going into
Best Buy or whatever and coming home with a prefab machine. But I do >>>>> believe I make Linux look good.
To make Linux (any personal OS) look good, you need a sweet desktop and >>>>wallpaper, shown on a large hi-def monitor, and ideally connected to a >>>>beastly PC. A hottie standing nearby in a bikini with a snake around >>>>her shoulders would help, too.
You can also draw a ton of custom desktop icons and add a bunch of
utility scripts
Might be interesting.
I have a 4K monitor.
Oh cool! Do you have window scaling on?
Actually, under Win11, it automatically scaled stuff to look "right",
but under Mint, I literally get four times the pixels of a 1080p
monitor, it's badass. I like it that way, I can see the small text
and such clearly. Switching OSes was an upgrade in that way, as it
was in a lot of ways.
some dumb fsck wrote:
MS revenue is up:
Of course it is. Windows is more profitable than ever. There has been >absolutely no decline in its quality at all, no problems with patches to
fix those problems, often needing patches of their own to fix their own >problems.
And there is absolutely no need for Microsoft to shore up sagging Windows >revenues by forcing users to view advertising while using their own >computers.
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 23:59 this Wednesday (GMT):
On 4/24/2024 10:40 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 14:06 this Wednesday (GMT):
Why does GuhNoo/FOSS attract so many liars and delusional oddballs?
In my opinion, it's because Windows and Mac are so big that you have to
give up some things to migrate, which most people don't want to do. The
only people who willingly switch are nerds, or generally "odd".
What did you give up to migrate to Linux?
Note: I don't think Jesus - I mean Joel - will like being called 'odd'.
Gaming mostly.
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 15:11 this Thursday (GMT):
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
To make Linux (any personal OS) look good, you need a sweet desktop and
wallpaper, shown on a large hi-def monitor, and ideally connected to a
beastly PC. A hottie standing nearby in a bikini with a snake around
her shoulders would help, too.
You can also draw a ton of custom desktop icons and add a bunch of
utility scripts
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 16:44 this Thursday (GMT):
On 4/25/2024 12:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 10:00:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
I keep hearing bitter and petty Linux users whine about 'forced
advertising' but I've yet to see it in Win 11.
https://betanews.com/2024/04/24/start-menu-ads-are-rolling-out-to-all-
windows-11-users-heres-how-to-turn-them-off/
Coming soon to a desktop near you.
"Windows 11 users who do not want to see ads for applications in the
Start menu may turn them off..."
The day MS makes me watch video ads for 3rd party products just to use
Windows ... is the day I watch video ads for 3rd party products just to
use Windows.
But why?
Windows wins EASILY and HUGELY on software and games ...
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
The day MS makes me watch video ads for 3rd party products just to use
Windows ... is the day I watch video ads for 3rd party products just to
use Windows.
I don't think they will really do that, but it's telling that you'd be
OK with it in the abstract, even.
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 19:45:40 -0400, DFS wrote:
Windows wins EASILY and HUGELY on software and games ...
Speaking of games, the Steam Deck is breaking new ground in handheld
gaming, and it runs ... Linux. Even with the compatibility implications of that, it still seems to be doing well enough for Valve to continue to
develop it and bring out a new, improved version.
And for Microsoft to be worried enough that it has been demoing a new “Handheld Mode” for Windows ... which has yet to progress beyond the vapourware stage.
some dumb fsck wrote:
And your dignity...
Silliness.
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
On 4/25/2024 10:30 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 23:59 this Wednesday (GMT):
What did you give up to migrate to Linux?
Gaming mostly.
And your dignity...
Silliness.
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 19:45:40 -0400, DFS wrote:
Windows wins EASILY and HUGELY on software and games ...
Speaking of games, the Steam Deck is breaking new ground in handheld
gaming, and it runs ... Linux. Even with the compatibility implications of that, it still seems to be doing well enough for Valve to continue to
develop it and bring out a new, improved version.
And for Microsoft to be worried enough that it has been demoing a new “Handheld Mode” for Windows ... which has yet to progress beyond the vapourware stage.
On 4/25/2024 1:10 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 15:11 this Thursday (GMT):
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
To make Linux (any personal OS) look good, you need a sweet desktop and >>>> wallpaper, shown on a large hi-def monitor, and ideally connected to a >>>> beastly PC. A hottie standing nearby in a bikini with a snake around
her shoulders would help, too.
You can also draw a ton of custom desktop icons and add a bunch of
utility scripts
Or use the favorite screen background of Linux lusers: pre-teen and teen anime girls
https://wallpapercave.com/anime-linux-wallpapers
https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+anime+female+screensavers
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/comments/p146g4/linux_mint_anime_wallpaper/
https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1424260
https://youtu.be/jCfvzKuF59g?t=504
https://www.deviantart.com/domx64/art/Kurumin-Linux-Anime-Girl-Wallpaper-890056051
endless like that. JHC.
So even if you're on the sex-offender registry, you can make new
fantasies with your Linux crapbox.
What a degenerate "community".
On 2024-04-25, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 16:44 this Thursday (GMT):
On 4/25/2024 12:26 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 10:00:07 -0400, DFS wrote:
I keep hearing bitter and petty Linux users whine about 'forced
advertising' but I've yet to see it in Win 11.
https://betanews.com/2024/04/24/start-menu-ads-are-rolling-out-to-all- >>>> windows-11-users-heres-how-to-turn-them-off/
Coming soon to a desktop near you.
"Windows 11 users who do not want to see ads for applications in the
Start menu may turn them off..."
The day MS makes me watch video ads for 3rd party products just to use
Windows ... is the day I watch video ads for 3rd party products just to
use Windows.
But why?
He's a Microsoft thrall.
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 22:48 this Thursday (GMT):
On 4/25/2024 1:10 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 15:11 this Thursday (GMT):
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
To make Linux (any personal OS) look good, you need a sweet desktop and >>>>> wallpaper, shown on a large hi-def monitor, and ideally connected to a >>>>> beastly PC. A hottie standing nearby in a bikini with a snake around >>>>> her shoulders would help, too.
You can also draw a ton of custom desktop icons and add a bunch of
utility scripts
Or use the favorite screen background of Linux lusers: pre-teen and teen
anime girls
https://wallpapercave.com/anime-linux-wallpapers
https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+anime+female+screensavers
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/comments/p146g4/linux_mint_anime_wallpaper/
https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1424260
https://youtu.be/jCfvzKuF59g?t=504
https://www.deviantart.com/domx64/art/Kurumin-Linux-Anime-Girl-Wallpaper-890056051
endless like that. JHC.
So even if you're on the sex-offender registry, you can make new
fantasies with your Linux crapbox.
What a degenerate "community".
What's wrong with having an anime background? It's not really my thing,
but people should be able to express their interests.
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 22:48 this Thursday (GMT):
On 4/25/2024 1:10 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 15:11 this Thursday (GMT):
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
To make Linux (any personal OS) look good, you need a sweet desktop and >>>>> wallpaper, shown on a large hi-def monitor, and ideally connected to a >>>>> beastly PC. A hottie standing nearby in a bikini with a snake around >>>>> her shoulders would help, too.
You can also draw a ton of custom desktop icons and add a bunch of
utility scripts
Or use the favorite screen background of Linux lusers: pre-teen and teen
anime girls
https://wallpapercave.com/anime-linux-wallpapers
https://www.google.com/search?q=linux+anime+female+screensavers
https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/comments/p146g4/linux_mint_anime_wallpaper/
https://www.xfce-look.org/p/1424260
https://youtu.be/jCfvzKuF59g?t=504
https://www.deviantart.com/domx64/art/Kurumin-Linux-Anime-Girl-Wallpaper-890056051
endless like that. JHC.
So even if you're on the sex-offender registry, you can make new
fantasies with your Linux crapbox.
What a degenerate "community".
What's wrong with having an anime background? It's not really my thing,
but people should be able to express their interests.
The day MS makes me watch video ads for 3rd party products justDo you like the taste of rubber and leather?
to use Windows is the day I watch video ads for 3rd party products
just to use Windows.
"Windows 11 users who do not want to see ads for applications in thePutting ads of any kind whatsoever in anything you charge money for is absolutely unacceptable.
Start menu may turn them off..."
The day MS makes me watch video ads for 3rd party products justDo you like the taste of rubber and leather?
to use Windows is the day I watch video ads for 3rd party products
just to use Windows.
"Windows 11 users who do not want to see ads for applications in thePutting ads of any kind whatsoever in anything you charge money for is absolutely unacceptable.
Start menu may turn them off..."
Most of those pics I linked to would only appeal to a pedophile, and
since those pics are so commonly used in the Linux "community" there can
only be one conclusion.
Or use the favorite screen background of Linux lusers: pre-teen and teen anime girls
What a degenerate "community".
candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
wrote:
Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 23:51 this Thursday (GMT):
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
On 4/25/2024 10:30 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote at 23:59 this Wednesday (GMT):
What did you give up to migrate to Linux?
Gaming mostly.
And your dignity...
Silliness.
Yeah.. I don't see how using Linux makes you undignified.
Yup, it's just a preference. I got tired of Win11, the coolness
started to fade. I had a fully working system with it, but it's even
better with Mint.
Le 25-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
Or use the favorite screen background of Linux lusers: pre-teen and teen
anime girls
On that point, you are using exactly the same with Windows: <https://wallpaperaccess.com/anime-windows>
I'm stopping after the first link because I don't have time to loose at looking endlessly at Windows users favorite images. I don't like them
and it's not only the logo.
What a degenerate "community".
You are speaking about your "community", too. Don't be too hard.
The day MS makes me watch video ads for 3rd party products just
to use Windows is the day I watch video ads for 3rd party products
just to use Windows.
Do you like the taste of rubber and leather?
"Windows 11 users who do not want to see ads for applications in the
Start menu may turn them off..."
Putting ads of any kind whatsoever in anything you charge money for is absolutely unacceptable.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:15 this Friday (GMT):
And for Microsoft to be worried enough that it has been demoing a new
“Handheld Mode” for Windows ... which has yet to progress beyond the
vapourware stage.
Oh, really? I don't remember hearing anything about that.
candycanearter07 wrote:
[...]
thrall.
Oh.
An alternate spelling of 'troll'.
Netflix also think is it acceptable.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 01:20:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:07:10 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
Netflix also think is it acceptable.
Netflix at least is giving you something new each time you use it.
Microsoft is wanting you to pay over and over for the same old thing.
Of course newspapers and most magazines have always been vehicles for disseminating ads.
A thrall may be a troll, but I think a shill would be more likely to be
such. Some shills can get quite shrill when they troll.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:07:10 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
Netflix also think is it acceptable.
Netflix at least is giving you something new each time you use it.
Microsoft is wanting you to pay over and over for the same old thing.
To make Linux (any personal OS) look good, you need a sweet desktop and wallpaper, shown on a large hi-def monitor ...
... it's the apps that sell the OS, people want M$ Office and
Photoshop.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 19:45:40 -0400, DFS wrote:
Windows wins EASILY and HUGELY on software and games ...
Who cares?
I am quite happy with Linux, and sick of Windows.
DFS is like a gushing moist groupie claiming that a pop singer is best because more people like the singer's stuff more than some actually
good music.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:07:10 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
Netflix also think is it acceptable.
Netflix at least is giving you something new each time you use it.
Microsoft is wanting you to pay over and over for the same old thing.
On 4/26/2024 2:38 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
Le 25-04-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
Or use the favorite screen background of Linux lusers: pre-teen and teen >>> anime girls
On that point, you are using exactly the same with Windows:
<https://wallpaperaccess.com/anime-windows>
I'm stopping after the first link because I don't have time to loose at
looking endlessly at Windows users favorite images. I don't like them
and it's not only the logo.
What a degenerate "community".
You are speaking about your "community", too. Don't be too hard.
It's all created by Linux users with Gimp.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 01:20:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:07:10 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
Netflix also think is it acceptable.
Netflix at least is giving you something new each time you use it.
Microsoft is wanting you to pay over and over for the same old thing.
Perhaps I've been lucky but so far the ad supported Netflix model has had infrequent ads with one ad per break and a mix of ads. Amazon's FreeVee
will feature the same damn Liberty Mutual and obscure drug ads over and
over every 10 minutes.
Amazon seems to be tweaking their Prime Video ads. The Fallout episodes
had one Samsung ad at the beginning with sort of a PBS announcement.
Of course newspapers and most magazines have always been vehicles for disseminating ads. I used to subscribe to Motorcycle Consumer News before
it died and it was completely ad free. Beyond not have to leaf through
pages of glossy ads the writers weren't constrained by fear of pissing off
an advertiser.
Consumer Reports is also ad free but their reviews recommend safe, middle
of the road, boring products. I would read them for reviews of products I know nothing about like cameras but when reading reviews for something I
do know about I realized Plain Vanilla was the flavor of the day. The car reviews in particular amused me. For the less expensive models, 'you could buy a used Honda Civic for that', for comparable models, 'the Honda Civic
is a better buy', and for upscale models 'you could buy two Honda Civics
for that money'.
On 27 Apr 2024 03:51:45 GMT, rbowman wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 01:20:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:07:10 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
Netflix also think is it acceptable.
Netflix at least is giving you something new each time you use it.
Microsoft is wanting you to pay over and over for the same old thing.
Of course newspapers and most magazines have always been vehicles for
disseminating ads.
Again: same situation. You pay for each issue, and you get new content.
Not like Microsoft or other companies following the rentware model,
wanting you to pay over and over for the same old thing.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 11:24:48 -0400, DFS wrote:
Most of those pics I linked to would only appeal to a pedophile, and
since those pics are so commonly used in the Linux "community" there can
only be one conclusion.
Margaret Keane paintings must really trigger you.
Le 26-04-2024, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 19:45:40 -0400, DFS wrote:
Windows wins EASILY and HUGELY on software and games ...
Who cares?
The gamers. For now, he's pretty right, but things are really improving
on the subject.
I am quite happy with Linux, and sick of Windows.
Like a lot of people.
DFS is like a gushing moist groupie claiming that a pop singer is best
because more people like the singer's stuff more than some actually
good music.
No. He's a troll. His purpose is to have fun in pissing off Linux users.
As he knows a little bit Linux, he manages pretty well to mix right
Linux issues with past or false issues. He doesn't care about your
choices. He only cares about the way you answer to his attacks. I'm
really surprised it looks like I'm the only one to see it.
Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
No. He's a troll. His purpose is to have fun in pissing off Linux users.
As he knows a little bit Linux, he manages pretty well to mix right
Linux issues with past or false issues. He doesn't care about your
choices. He only cares about the way you answer to his attacks. I'm
really surprised it looks like I'm the only one to see it.
You exaggerate your uniqueness.
We have been laughing at the DFS monomaniac for a couple decades.
Anyway, sometimes responding to a troll is a good way to inform people
about the things done with Linux.
On 2024-04-27, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 01:20:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:07:10 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
Netflix also think is it acceptable.
Netflix at least is giving you something new each time you use it.
Microsoft is wanting you to pay over and over for the same old thing.
Perhaps I've been lucky but so far the ad supported Netflix model has
had infrequent ads with one ad per break and a mix of ads. Amazon's
FreeVee will feature the same damn Liberty Mutual and obscure drug ads
over and over every 10 minutes.
I don't mind them offering ads and an adfree rate, but it was sneaky
they put all the prices up to make the advert price fit in.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:21:54 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
On 2024-04-27, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 01:20:58 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 18:07:10 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
Netflix also think is it acceptable.
Netflix at least is giving you something new each time you use it.
Microsoft is wanting you to pay over and over for the same old thing.
Perhaps I've been lucky but so far the ad supported Netflix model has
had infrequent ads with one ad per break and a mix of ads. Amazon's
FreeVee will feature the same damn Liberty Mutual and obscure drug ads
over and over every 10 minutes.
I don't mind them offering ads and an adfree rate, but it was sneaky
they put all the prices up to make the advert price fit in.
I was on the DVD plan until the bitter end so going to the ad supported streaming version was less expensive. The catch is with DVDs I could watch 'Midsommer Murders', 'Line of Duty', 'Blue Bloods' and so forth. With streaming it's 'You need a BritBox, Acorn TV, and Paramount+, etc subscription'.
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Stphane CARPENTIER wrote:
No. He's a troll. His purpose is to have fun in pissing off Linux users. >>> As he knows a little bit Linux, he manages pretty well to mix right
Linux issues with past or false issues. He doesn't care about your
choices. He only cares about the way you answer to his attacks. I'm
really surprised it looks like I'm the only one to see it.
You exaggerate your uniqueness.
I'm not that sure about that point.
We have been laughing at the DFS monomaniac for a couple decades.
Yes, so what? A lot of people laugh at FR/NV/DG/LP/whatever but it's not
the same. FR/NV/DG/LP/whatever is a first class moron living in his head
who believes what he claims.
Unlike DFS who is often wrong but he knows he's wrong on some subjects.
And it looks like everyone here wants to
make him admit when he's wrong as if he didn't knew it already.
I know adverts are never going away but if I am paying surely I deserve
not have to watch them? As for seeing adverts every time I open the
start menu that is just awful.
If I could get the vpn configuration out of Windows I could use anything
as all I use is done in a browser now anyway.
We knew MS wanted to go to subscription and it would be a stretch to
make windows a monthly payment, if they can generate ad revenue and
money from your data they can put it off, for now.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:14:28 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:I am not IT at this job and worry my probing and testing or settings may end with no job, so a basic test failed and then I just accepted I have to use Windows for work.
If I could get the vpn configuration out of Windows I could use anything
as all I use is done in a browser now anyway.
Trouble is, there is no real “standard” VPN (other than IPSEC, which is pretty scary to even think about). I suppose they’re using L2TP? From what I gather, it’s crap, but it’s standard Windows crap.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 09:50:23 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
We knew MS wanted to go to subscription and it would be a stretch to
make windows a monthly payment, if they can generate ad revenue and
money from your data they can put it off, for now.
If they make the ads optional, and too many people turn them off, then the next step is likely to be for Windows to become full-on rentware.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:21:54 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
I know adverts are never going away but if I am paying surely I deserve
not have to watch them? As for seeing adverts every time I open the
start menu that is just awful.
Microsoft is banking on the fact that most Windows users would rather keep using it and keep complaining about it rather than switch to something
else.
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:21:54 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
I know adverts are never going away but if I am paying surely I deserve
not have to watch them? As for seeing adverts every time I open the
start menu that is just awful.
Microsoft is banking on the fact that most Windows users would rather keep using it and keep complaining about it rather than switch to something
else.
Le 26-04-2024, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> a écrit :
Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 19:45:40 -0400, DFS wrote:
Windows wins EASILY and HUGELY on software and games ...
Who cares?
The gamers. For now, he's pretty right, but things are really improving
on the subject.
I am quite happy with Linux, and sick of Windows.
Like a lot of people.
DFS is like a gushing moist groupie claiming that a pop singer is best
because more people like the singer's stuff more than some actually
good music.
No. He's a troll. His purpose is to have fun in pissing off Linux users.
As he knows a little bit Linux, he manages pretty well to mix right
Linux issues with past or false issues. He doesn't care about your
choices. He only cares about the way you answer to his attacks. I'm
really surprised it looks like I'm the only one to see it.
It was the day eeePC came along, the new version of Windows couldn't run
on it, only the old unavailable version could. But the last version of
Ubuntu was running very well. And the eeePC with Ubuntu sold very well
and seeing that Microsoft extended the old version of Windows. That way, people could buy eeePC with Windows on it.
On 28 Apr 2024 17:53:42 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
It was the day eeePC came along, the new version of Windows couldn't run
on it, only the old unavailable version could. But the last version of
Ubuntu was running very well. And the eeePC with Ubuntu sold very well
and seeing that Microsoft extended the old version of Windows. That way,
people could buy eeePC with Windows on it.
The Eee PC 4G Surf was first released with Xandros.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xandros
Xandros derived from Debian as does Ubuntu. I replaced it with Q4OS last month since Xandros didn't support WPA2. It runs, more or less. I can't imagine XP on that hardware.
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:30:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:15 this Friday (GMT):
And for Microsoft to be worried enough that it has been demoing a new
“Handheld Mode” for Windows ... which has yet to progress beyond the >>> vapourware stage.
Oh, really? I don't remember hearing anything about that.
I think it was around a year ago. They may have given up.
On 28 Apr 2024 17:53:42 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
It was the day eeePC came along, the new version of Windows couldn't
run on it, only the old unavailable version could. But the last version
of Ubuntu was running very well. And the eeePC with Ubuntu sold very
well and seeing that Microsoft extended the old version of Windows.
That way, people could buy eeePC with Windows on it.
The Eee PC 4G Surf was first released with Xandros.
... I can't imagine XP on that hardware.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 01:17 this Saturday (GMT):
On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 14:30:03 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 00:15 this Friday (GMT):
And for Microsoft to be worried enough that it has been demoing a new
“Handheld Mode” for Windows ... which has yet to progress beyond the >>>> vapourware stage.
Oh, really? I don't remember hearing anything about that.
I think it was around a year ago. They may have given up.
I'm sure they dropped it in favor of the AI stuff.
I'd use [Photoshop] if I had that kind of money to spend every year, and wanted to run Winblows. ...
But more efficient to use paint.net or WinGIMP, or the native GIMP
for Linux as I do now.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
... it's the apps that sell the OS, people want M$ Office and
Photoshop.
Photoshop is an irrelevance to 99% of Windows users.
Put it this way: if all Photoshop users were to convert to Linux, it would >>not make a significant difference to Linux’s market share.
I'd use it if I had that kind of money to spend every year, and wanted
to run Winblows. It was OK to try out for part of a year that I paid
for. But more efficient to use paint.net or WinGIMP, or the native
GIMP for Linux as I do now.
On 2024-04-28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 09:50:23 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
We knew MS wanted to go to subscription and it would be a stretch to
make windows a monthly payment, if they can generate ad revenue and
money from your data they can put it off, for now.
If they make the ads optional, and too many people turn them off, then the >> next step is likely to be for Windows to become full-on rentware.
True, I can't imagine how much work is involved in processing and verifying payments for that many people.
I know adverts are never going away but if I am paying surely I deserve >>>> not have to watch them? As for seeing adverts every time I open the
start menu that is just awful.
Microsoft is banking on the fact that most Windows users would rather keep >>> using it and keep complaining about it rather than switch to something
else.
Every time MS introduce something new I think surely this is going to be the >> tipping point, but you are probably right, this is not going to be enough for
most people, so they don't worry.
My computer is far below the W11 specs, even if I /wanted/ to run it :P
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote at 08:17 this Sunday (GMT):
On 2024-04-28, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 08:21:54 -0000 (UTC), Simon wrote:
I know adverts are never going away but if I am paying surely I deserve >>>> not have to watch them? As for seeing adverts every time I open the
start menu that is just awful.
Microsoft is banking on the fact that most Windows users would rather keep >>> using it and keep complaining about it rather than switch to something
else.
Every time MS introduce something new I think surely this is going to be the >> tipping point, but you are probably right, this is not going to be enough for
most people, so they don't worry.
My computer is far below the W11 specs, even if I /wanted/ to run it :P
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 14:40:15 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
... I got [Photoshop] for "free" thru an education license.
What happens to your work when the licence expires?
... I got [Photoshop] for "free" thru an education license.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 20:38 this Monday (GMT):
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 14:40:15 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
... I got [Photoshop] for "free" thru an education license.
What happens to your work when the licence expires?
We didn't use it much, I use gimp anyways. Just used it in passing.
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-04-29, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
My computer is far below the W11 specs, even if I /wanted/ to run it :P
I don't know if I can or not, it has no interest for me. Just to see if I could
I got Win11 in qemu but it was a project and while I have the files I don't >>actually use it.
I had Win11 on this box, it'd have been upgradable to 12, but bleh. It
gets tiring, dealing with M$'s shit. Just having the hardware to run
the latest Winblows isn't automatically a good reason to.
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-04-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
Simon <SimonJ@eu.invalid> wrote:
On 2024-04-29, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
I don't know if I can or not, it has no interest for me. Just to see if I could
My computer is far below the W11 specs, even if I /wanted/ to run it :P >>>>
I got Win11 in qemu but it was a project and while I have the files I don't >>>>actually use it.
I had Win11 on this box, it'd have been upgradable to 12, but bleh. It
gets tiring, dealing with M$'s shit. Just having the hardware to run
the latest Winblows isn't automatically a good reason to.
Agreed, when I bought the latest machine I made sure it was all Linux >>compatible, then they sold out and offered a free upgrade, which I took and >>ended up with an Nvidia GPU, so annoyed but entirely my fault. It works well >>enough but I didn't want to support them by buying it.
I actually prefer NVIDIA, even considering that its driver for Linux
is proprietary, although my reasons for that may be outdated.
Originally I didn't need a video card, I had an old 1080p monitor that
was great with the Intel CPU video, but when I got a new 4K monitor I
found the CPU video driver wasn't amazing with it. NVIDIA offered a
very basic but modern card, not too expensive, ideal for me as a non-
gamer.
On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 19:00:02 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:[snip]
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 01:17 this Saturday (GMT):
I think it was around a year ago. They may have given up.
I'm sure they dropped it in favor of the AI stuff.
Gaming is a real thing. Hand-held gaming is a real thing. AI is still ...
up in the AIr.
(See what I did there?)
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