• Re: Catholic Church sexual abuse epidemic

    From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Fri Feb 23 17:13:35 2024
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    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 17:02:43 -0800
    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:

    Sometimes I wonder if the Catholic Church likes all that attention
    because, in addition to maintaining name-brand recognition (albeit
    bad recognition due to their global child sexual abuse epidemic),
    they do seem to be rather passive, overall, with their Public
    Relations efforts (while moving so many of their child-molesting
    priests out of the jurisdictional reach of the law).

    For centuries that church became a law upon itself. It conspired
    with the petty rulers after the fall of the Western Empire. It
    told the people obey, and in return they were immune from local
    laws. It got to the point they had their armies and waged wars.

    It's as if they wanted to side-step the Magna Carta!

    Catholic priests don't like the peons reading the bible. Jesus has
    harsh criticism for people who harm children including driving
    them away from the bible; another passage warns people to settle
    with their secular (and by implication spiritual) accusers quickly
    and make amends lest the court turn you over to executioners.

    That's one good reason for why no Church deserves
    to have any power over any aspect of any legal
    system nor the drafting of any of its legislation.

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道 - randolf@canadianatheists.ca
    Canadian atheists - True, Northern, Strong, and Free
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.canadianatheists.ca/

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 23 17:02:43 2024
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    Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:
    Sometimes I wonder if the Catholic Church likes all that attention
    because, in addition to maintaining name-brand recognition (albeit
    bad recognition due to their global child sexual abuse epidemic),
    they do seem to be rather passive, overall, with their Public
    Relations efforts (while moving so many of their child-molesting
    priests out of the jurisdictional reach of the law).

    For centuries that church became a law upon itself. It conspired
    with the petty rulers after the fall of the Western Empire. It
    told the people obey, and in return they were immune from local
    laws. It got to the point they had their armies and waged wars.

    Catholic priests don't like the peons reading the bible. Jesus has
    harsh criticism for people who harm children including driving
    them away from the bible; another passage warns people to settle
    with their secular (and by implication spiritual) accusers quickly
    and make amends lest the court turn you over to executioners.

    --
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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 24 02:36:12 2024
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    Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15paH6YGT?= <randolf@canadianatheists.ca>
    wrote in
    news:20240223171335.a39084f0469fcacf43a4e52e@canadianatheists.ca:

    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 17:02:43 -0800
    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> wrote:
    Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:

    Sometimes I wonder if the Catholic Church likes all that attention
    because, in addition to maintaining name-brand recognition (albeit
    bad recognition due to their global child sexual abuse epidemic),
    they do seem to be rather passive, overall, with their Public
    Relations efforts (while moving so many of their child-molesting
    priests out of the jurisdictional reach of the law).

    For centuries that church became a law upon itself. It conspired
    with the petty rulers after the fall of the Western Empire. It
    told the people obey, and in return they were immune from local
    laws. It got to the point they had their armies and waged wars.

    It's as if they wanted to side-step the Magna Carta!

    Catholic priests don't like the peons reading the bible. Jesus has
    harsh criticism for people who harm children including driving
    them away from the bible; another passage warns people to settle
    with their secular (and by implication spiritual) accusers quickly
    and make amends lest the court turn you over to executioners.

    That's one good reason for why no Church deserves
    to have any power over any aspect of any legal
    system nor the drafting of any of its legislation.


    And now, some good news.





    Catholics' Church Attendance Resumes Downward Slide
    APRIL 9, 2018

    From 2014 to 2017, an average of 39% of Catholics
    reported attending church in the past seven days.
    This is down from an average of 45% from 2005 to
    2008 and represents a steep decline from 75% in
    1955.
    http://tinyurl.com/yarasec6





    Catholic Church faces ominous decline
    Aug 25 2018

    The Catholic Church's sex scandal is
    crushing one of the world's most powerful
    institutions. The numbers are brutal and
    speak to rapid, spreading decline: In the
    U.S., 6,721 priests were reported to U.S.
    bishops between 1950 and 2016, and 18,565
    victims have come forward, according to
    Bishop Accountability, an advocacy group.

    The bigger picture: Pope Francis arrives
    today in Ireland, a country whose once-
    unquestioned Catholic identity is now
    fading - a long-term trend in much of the
    West, which abuse scandals threaten to
    accelerate. The Church's image among people
    under 30 has never been worse, meaning the
    next generation of priests - and parishioners -
    simply may not be there.

    A Pew survey found that, as of 2015, while
    32% of Americans were raised Catholic, just
    21% remained so. That drop off is more than
    twice the rate at which Americans left
    Protestantism. Church attendance also fell
    sharply. Fewer young people consider themselves
    Catholic, according to Pew, which found that
    the median age for U.S. Catholics is 49,
    compared to 40 for members of other religions
    and 36 for America as a whole.

    https://www.axios.com/catholic-church-faces-ominous-decline-5cc11529- 860d-470d-a2e2-5fe12b89ad81.html

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 24 00:08:17 2024
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    Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 13:05:02 -0500
    Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
    Randolf Richardson ??? <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote:

    [the Catholic church ]condemn[s] homosexuality while priests practice it and they use
    contributions to the church to silence victims of sexual abuse and
    assault. Fuck the Catholic hypocrisy, fuck their claim of being the
    original church. Francis' position is meaningless in real
    Christendom.

    Sometimes I wonder if the Catholic Church likes all that attention
    because, in addition to maintaining name-brand recognition (albeit
    bad recognition due to their global child sexual abuse epidemic),
    they do seem to be rather passive, overall, with their Public
    Relations efforts (while moving so many of their child-molesting
    priests out of the jurisdictional reach of the law).

    If the Catholic Church genuinely cared about morals and justice,
    then they would be cooperating with policing authorities instead
    of trying to cover up their sexual abuse epidemic scandals. If
    they did that, even I would have more respect for them as an
    organization, incidental to them being a religious institution.


    If they had turned over the offenders to law enforcement, it'd be a
    whole different ball game. But that would've uncovered a particular
    side of their religion that they don't want to face. Catholicism is a
    farce, they are *NOT* the original/true church.

    ...and that's why it will likely never happen (save a few who
    they want to get rid of anyway for reasons unrelated to child
    sexual abuse that aren't sufficient to justify firing).

    I'm glad they've been losing membership, but I feel that they
    haven't lost nearly enough. They should be shut down, and all
    the money, art, gold, etc., that they're hoarding should go to
    helping people get out of poverty (at the very least), funding
    abortions, funding secular education (with critical thinking
    skills being in the curriculum), and funding victims of crimes
    such as sexual abuse and domestic violence, plus so much more.


    So what should be done to the public school system, which is collectively guilty of sexual abuse of minors at a HIGHER rate than the Catholic Church,
    to say nothing of the faggotry and trannyism promoted to the small children
    in attendance?

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  • From Phil Piles@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Sat Feb 24 05:33:32 2024
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    Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote in news:urbtk1$ng1r$1@news.mixmin.net:

    Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 13:05:02 -0500
    Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
    Randolf Richardson ??? <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote:

    [the Catholic church ]condemn[s] homosexuality while priests
    practice it and they use contributions to the church to silence
    victims of sexual abuse and assault. Fuck the Catholic hypocrisy,
    fuck their claim of being the original church. Francis' position
    is meaningless in real Christendom.

    Sometimes I wonder if the Catholic Church likes all that attention
    because, in addition to maintaining name-brand recognition (albeit
    bad recognition due to their global child sexual abuse epidemic),
    they do seem to be rather passive, overall, with their Public
    Relations efforts (while moving so many of their child-molesting
    priests out of the jurisdictional reach of the law).

    If the Catholic Church genuinely cared about morals and justice,
    then they would be cooperating with policing authorities instead
    of trying to cover up their sexual abuse epidemic scandals. If
    they did that, even I would have more respect for them as an
    organization, incidental to them being a religious institution.


    If they had turned over the offenders to law enforcement, it'd be a
    whole different ball game. But that would've uncovered a particular
    side of their religion that they don't want to face. Catholicism is
    a farce, they are *NOT* the original/true church.

    ...and that's why it will likely never happen (save a few who
    they want to get rid of anyway for reasons unrelated to child
    sexual abuse that aren't sufficient to justify firing).

    I'm glad they've been losing membership, but I feel that they
    haven't lost nearly enough. They should be shut down, and all
    the money, art, gold, etc., that they're hoarding should go to
    helping people get out of poverty (at the very least), funding
    abortions, funding secular education (with critical thinking
    skills being in the curriculum), and funding victims of crimes
    such as sexual abuse and domestic violence, plus so much more.


    So what should be done to the public school system, which is
    collectively guilty of sexual abuse of minors at a HIGHER rate than
    the Catholic Church, to say nothing of the faggotry and trannyism
    promoted to the small children in attendance?

    Hear! Hear!

    This is absolutely a violation of parental rights and blatant psychological/sexual abuse of children!

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Sat Feb 24 13:13:21 2024
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    Mitchell Holman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Catholics' Church Attendance Resumes Downward Slide
    APRIL 9, 2018

    From 2014 to 2017, an average of 39% of Catholics
    reported attending church in the past seven days.
    This is down from an average of 45% from 2005 to
    2008 and represents a steep decline from 75% in
    1955.
    http://tinyurl.com/yarasec6

    They gonna burn?

    --
    Q: How many members of the U.S.S. Enterprise does it take to change a
    light bulb?
    A: Seven. Scotty has to report to Captain Kirk that the light bulb in
    the Engineering Section is getting dim, at which point Kirk will send
    Bones to pronounce the bulb dead (although he'll immediately claim
    that he's a doctor, not an electrician). Scotty, after checking
    around, realizes that they have no more new light bulbs, and complains
    that he "canna" see in the dark. Kirk will make an emergency stop at
    the next uncharted planet, Alpha Regula IV, to procure a light bulb
    from the natives, who, are friendly, but seem to be hiding something.
    Kirk, Spock, Bones, Yeoman Rand and two red shirt security officers
    beam down to the planet, where the two security officers are promply
    killed by the natives, and the rest of the landing party is captured.
    As something begins to develop between the Captain and Yeoman Rand,
    Scotty, back in orbit, is attacked by a Klingon destroyer and must
    warp out of orbit. Although badly outgunned, he cripples the Klingon
    and races back to the planet in order to rescue Kirk et. al. who have
    just saved the natives' from an awful fate and, as a reward, been
    given all light bulbs they can carry. The new bulb is then inserted
    and the Enterprise continues on its five year mission.

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  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to Anonymous on Sat Feb 24 09:24:03 2024
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    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 00:08:17 -0500
    Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 13:05:02 -0500
    Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
    Randolf Richardson ??? <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote:

    [the Catholic church ]condemn[s] homosexuality while priests practice it and they use
    contributions to the church to silence victims of sexual abuse and
    assault. Fuck the Catholic hypocrisy, fuck their claim of being the >>>> original church. Francis' position is meaningless in real
    Christendom.

    Sometimes I wonder if the Catholic Church likes all that attention
    because, in addition to maintaining name-brand recognition (albeit
    bad recognition due to their global child sexual abuse epidemic),
    they do seem to be rather passive, overall, with their Public
    Relations efforts (while moving so many of their child-molesting
    priests out of the jurisdictional reach of the law).

    If the Catholic Church genuinely cared about morals and justice,
    then they would be cooperating with policing authorities instead
    of trying to cover up their sexual abuse epidemic scandals. If
    they did that, even I would have more respect for them as an
    organization, incidental to them being a religious institution.


    If they had turned over the offenders to law enforcement, it'd be a
    whole different ball game. But that would've uncovered a particular
    side of their religion that they don't want to face. Catholicism is a
    farce, they are *NOT* the original/true church.

    ...and that's why it will likely never happen (save a few who
    they want to get rid of anyway for reasons unrelated to child
    sexual abuse that aren't sufficient to justify firing).

    I'm glad they've been losing membership, but I feel that they
    haven't lost nearly enough. They should be shut down, and all
    the money, art, gold, etc., that they're hoarding should go to
    helping people get out of poverty (at the very least), funding
    abortions, funding secular education (with critical thinking
    skills being in the curriculum), and funding victims of crimes
    such as sexual abuse and domestic violence, plus so much more.

    So what should be done to the public school system, which is collectively guilty of sexual abuse of minors at a HIGHER rate than the Catholic Church, to say nothing of the faggotry and trannyism promoted to the small children in attendance?

    Where are you getting your statistics from? Is
    it Dr. Jordan Peterson, or Pierre Poilievre, or
    some other religious right-wing-nut hatemonger?

    Public school staff are accountable to the law,
    and for the instances where a staff member was
    sexually abusing a student or another employee
    they were investigated by the police and charged
    accordingly. As far as I'm aware, the number of
    cases of sexual abuse by public school staff in
    Canada is minimal compared to the number of
    cases of sexual abuse by Catholic Clergy, but if
    you have statistics to the contrary, please feel
    free to share them -- the problem for the Church
    is that they're infamous for sexually abusing
    children, and then trying to cover it up, which
    is contrasted by public school transparency and
    not trying to cover it up (since public agencies
    openly cooperate with the justice system).

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道 - randolf@canadianatheists.ca
    Canadian atheists - True, Northern, Strong, and Free
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.canadianatheists.ca/

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  • From Anonymous@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 27 23:06:12 2024
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    Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:
    On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 00:08:17 -0500
    Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
    Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:
    On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 13:05:02 -0500
    Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
    Randolf Richardson ??? <randolf@canadianatheists.ca> wrote:

    [the Catholic church ]condemn[s] homosexuality while priests practice it and they use
    contributions to the church to silence victims of sexual abuse and >>>>>> assault. Fuck the Catholic hypocrisy, fuck their claim of being the >>>>>> original church. Francis' position is meaningless in real
    Christendom.

    Sometimes I wonder if the Catholic Church likes all that attention
    because, in addition to maintaining name-brand recognition (albeit
    bad recognition due to their global child sexual abuse epidemic),
    they do seem to be rather passive, overall, with their Public
    Relations efforts (while moving so many of their child-molesting
    priests out of the jurisdictional reach of the law).

    If the Catholic Church genuinely cared about morals and justice,
    then they would be cooperating with policing authorities instead
    of trying to cover up their sexual abuse epidemic scandals. If
    they did that, even I would have more respect for them as an
    organization, incidental to them being a religious institution.


    If they had turned over the offenders to law enforcement, it'd be a
    whole different ball game. But that would've uncovered a particular
    side of their religion that they don't want to face. Catholicism is a >>>> farce, they are *NOT* the original/true church.

    ...and that's why it will likely never happen (save a few who
    they want to get rid of anyway for reasons unrelated to child
    sexual abuse that aren't sufficient to justify firing).

    I'm glad they've been losing membership, but I feel that they
    haven't lost nearly enough. They should be shut down, and all
    the money, art, gold, etc., that they're hoarding should go to
    helping people get out of poverty (at the very least), funding
    abortions, funding secular education (with critical thinking
    skills being in the curriculum), and funding victims of crimes
    such as sexual abuse and domestic violence, plus so much more.

    So what should be done to the public school system, which is collectively
    guilty of sexual abuse of minors at a HIGHER rate than the Catholic Church, >> to say nothing of the faggotry and trannyism promoted to the small children >> in attendance?

    Where are you getting your statistics from? Is
    it Dr. Jordan Peterson, or Pierre Poilievre, or
    some other religious right-wing-nut hatemonger?

    Public school staff are accountable to the law,
    and for the instances where a staff member was
    sexually abusing a student or another employee
    they were investigated by the police and charged
    accordingly. As far as I'm aware, the number of
    cases of sexual abuse by public school staff in
    Canada is minimal compared to the number of
    cases of sexual abuse by Catholic Clergy, but if
    you have statistics to the contrary, please feel
    free to share them -- the problem for the Church
    is that they're infamous for sexually abusing
    children, and then trying to cover it up, which
    is contrasted by public school transparency and
    not trying to cover it up (since public agencies
    openly cooperate with the justice system).


    Everything the Catholic Church is guilty of, the public school system is
    also guilty of. So again, what should we do to the public school system?

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