>I don't really regard bible-kjv-text as a technical document,
> but... :)
It's a manual -- for living.
Here is a good resource, with useful good cross-referencing:
<https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/>
On 2024-02-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Here is a good resource, with useful good cross-referencing:
<https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/>
And here's the drivel from the "skeptics."
In the beginning was the Word. (v.1)
This verse doesn't come right out and say who "the word" is, but all
Christians believe it's referring to Jesus. They disagree about what
it's saying about Jesus, however. Is Jesus God? The Son of God? A
godlike man?
Or what?
For example, Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe that Jesus was God.
But how could Jesus be with God in the beginning as this verse says,
if, as the Watchtower teaches, Jesus was created by God? And how
could Jesus be "a god" and yet be with God during the creation, if
God was speaking truthfully in Dt 32:39 when he said, "there are no
gods with me"?
Is Jesus God?
Who created heaven and earth?
What is Jesus H. Christ's real name?
Not all Christian denominations believe "The Word" refers to Christ,
some are silly enough to think it refers to the Bible.
all these %'s were not made by the real %
If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
Ron is showing his gross ignorance of Christianity by defaulting to Catholicism, an abomination before God.
On 2024-02-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.
True. And your point?
On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.
Did your "sky faeries" die for our sins?
Did they rise from the dead?
Did they bring the dead back to life?
Did they heal the sick?
Did they found a Church built on the Rock of St. Peter?
Did they impact the whole world?
They can’t all be right on the first point, they can all be right on
the second.
I don't believe in your sky fairies so I'll have to take your word for whatever it is you're trying to say.
However, I'm of the opinion that the right form of Christianity is to
sit down, read the Holy Bible for yourself and learn to interpret its
message correctly.
Luckily, you have me, the Son of Man, with complete theological
knowledge. So, I will begin by answering your question about the
Trinity, it's simply a matter of a soul having more than one spirit,
which is normal for a person as well as God.
Christ founded a Church that taught with authority as
He taught.
On 2024-02-12, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
What is the "official" Christianity? :-D
Catholicism.
From the Preface of the 1582 Rheims New Testament...
[anonymous, uncredited and unfounded assertions]
On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.
Of course the Catholic Church decided what was canon. It was THEIR New Testament, they wrote it.
On 2024-02-12, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
On 2024-02-12 4:09 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic >>>> catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.
It is definitely a combination of Roman paganism and Christianity, but
it is Christianity nonetheless. However, I'm of the opinion that the
right form of Christianity is to sit down, read the Holy Bible for
yourself and learn to interpret its message correctly.
Protestants tried that, that's why there are an untold number of Protestant sects. Christ founded a Church that taught with authority as He taught. Not
a church where out their own interpretations of the Bible. Truth is not subjective, it's objective. Catholics wrote the New Testament. They should
be the ones to interpret it. Christ founded one Church, not many.
all my past lives.
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
there are an untold number of Protestant
sects. Christ founded a Church that taught with authority as He taught. Not >> a church where out their own interpretations of the Bible. Truth is not
subjective, it's objective. Catholics wrote the New Testament. They should >> be the ones to interpret it. Christ founded one Church, not many.
God is *disgusted* with Catholicism, don't be fooled. RonB is a dumb
cracker imbecile. Listen to him if you're a fucking moron.
% <precent@yahoo.net> wrote:
Joel wrote:
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:listen to joel if you like to be ass banged by a guy
there are an untold number of Protestant
sects. Christ founded a Church that taught with authority as He taught. Not
a church where out their own interpretations of the Bible. Truth is not >>>> subjective, it's objective. Catholics wrote the New Testament. They should >>>> be the ones to interpret it. Christ founded one Church, not many.
God is *disgusted* with Catholicism, don't be fooled. RonB is a dumb
cracker imbecile. Listen to him if you're a fucking moron.
wearing a dress
And yet I'm the one with the power, and not you. Funny how that
works.
% <precent@yahoo.net> wrote:
Joel wrote:
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:listen to joel if you like to be ass banged by a guy
there are an untold number of Protestant
sects. Christ founded a Church that taught with authority as He taught. Not
a church where out their own interpretations of the Bible. Truth is not >>>> subjective, it's objective. Catholics wrote the New Testament. They should >>>> be the ones to interpret it. Christ founded one Church, not many.
God is *disgusted* with Catholicism, don't be fooled. RonB is a dumb
cracker imbecile. Listen to him if you're a fucking moron.
wearing a dress
And yet I'm the one with the power, and not you. Funny how that
works.
On 2/13/2024 9:05 AM, Joel wrote:
all my past lives.
Tell us about each of your past lives.
Crump and Trump. Who's the real Jesus, Hitler or a bisexual wigger?
It's a hilarious thing, really.
% <precent@yahoo.net> wrote:
there's nothing funny about your mental illnessGod is *disgusted* with Catholicism, don't be fooled. RonB is a dumb >>>>> cracker imbecile. Listen to him if you're a fucking moron.listen to joel if you like to be ass banged by a guy
wearing a dress
And yet I'm the one with the power, and not you. Funny how that
works.
I'm not mentally ill.
On 2024-02-13, % <precent@yahoo.net> wrote:
Joel wrote:
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:listen to joel if you like to be ass banged by a guy
there are an untold number of Protestant
sects. Christ founded a Church that taught with authority as He taught. Not
a church where out their own interpretations of the Bible. Truth is not >>>> subjective, it's objective. Catholics wrote the New Testament. They should >>>> be the ones to interpret it. Christ founded one Church, not many.
God is *disgusted* with Catholicism, don't be fooled. RonB is a dumb
cracker imbecile. Listen to him if you're a fucking moron.
wearing a dress
I don't take Joel seriously. He's a gnat.
On 2024-02-13, % <precent@yahoo.net> wrote:
Joel wrote:
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:listen to joel if you like to be ass banged by a guy
there are an untold number of Protestant
sects. Christ founded a Church that taught with authority as He taught. Not
a church where out their own interpretations of the Bible. Truth is not >>>> subjective, it's objective. Catholics wrote the New Testament. They should >>>> be the ones to interpret it. Christ founded one Church, not many.
God is *disgusted* with Catholicism, don't be fooled. RonB is a dumb
cracker imbecile. Listen to him if you're a fucking moron.
wearing a dress
I don't take Joel seriously. He's a gnat.
% <precent@yahoo.net> wrote:
RonB wrote:
On 2024-02-13, % <precent@yahoo.net> wrote:yepper
Joel wrote:
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:listen to joel if you like to be ass banged by a guy
there are an untold number of Protestant
sects. Christ founded a Church that taught with authority as He taught. Not
a church where out their own interpretations of the Bible. Truth is not >>>>>> subjective, it's objective. Catholics wrote the New Testament. They should
be the ones to interpret it. Christ founded one Church, not many.
God is *disgusted* with Catholicism, don't be fooled. RonB is a dumb >>>>> cracker imbecile. Listen to him if you're a fucking moron.
wearing a dress
I don't take Joel seriously. He's a gnat.
You're an amoeba.
% wrote:
Joel wrote:
% <precent@yahoo.net> wrote:IKYABWAI
RonB wrote:
On 2024-02-13, % <precent@yahoo.net> wrote:yepper
Joel wrote:
RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:listen to joel if you like to be ass banged by a guy
there are an untold number of ProtestantGod is *disgusted* with Catholicism, don't be fooled. RonB is a >>>>>>> dumb
sects. Christ founded a Church that taught with authority as He >>>>>>>> taught. Not
a church where out their own interpretations of the Bible. Truth >>>>>>>> is not
subjective, it's objective. Catholics wrote the New Testament. >>>>>>>> They should
be the ones to interpret it. Christ founded one Church, not many. >>>>>>>
cracker imbecile. Listen to him if you're a fucking moron.
wearing a dress
I don't take Joel seriously. He's a gnat.
You're an amoeba.
you're fake me the biggest porker on usenet
I can't say for sure that Catholics wrote the New Testament though it is pretty clear that it has been the most powerful denomination of
Christianity for quite a long time.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 07:47:20 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
I can't say for sure that Catholics wrote the New Testament though it is
pretty clear that it has been the most powerful denomination of
Christianity for quite a long time.
The current canon was established around 380, by which time the Roman
empire had recognized Christianity as a valid religion. (323 iirc).
So
arguably the Roman Catholics determined the canon. Peter is accepted as
the first Bishop of Rome though.
That was after a couple of hundred years of infighting.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope
Personally I think Marcion was on to something.
The Protestants took another whack. Luther's first edition left out
Timothy (that epistle of straw) since it mentioned faith without works
wasn't enough, going against 'sola fide'. Some books got moved to 'Apocrypha' in part because Maccabees II mentioned prayers for the dead
which was also against Luther's theories.
Didn't it happen right after the Battle of Milvian Bridge? As the story
goes, Constantine had a dream in which he was told that if he painted a version of the cross onto the shields of his soldiers, they would win
the battle. Soon thereafter, Christianity was accepted. Of course, I am
sure that there are political and social reasons why they had no choice
but to accept Christianity, such as the fact that none of their scare
tactics had stopped people from adopting the religion.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 14:21:17 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
Didn't it happen right after the Battle of Milvian Bridge? As the story
goes, Constantine had a dream in which he was told that if he painted a
version of the cross onto the shields of his soldiers, they would win
the battle. Soon thereafter, Christianity was accepted. Of course, I am
sure that there are political and social reasons why they had no choice
but to accept Christianity, such as the fact that none of their scare
tactics had stopped people from adopting the religion.
Constantine's mother, Helena, was a Christian and was canonized. That may have had more to do with his conversion than the In Hoc Signo Vinces
legend. He legalized the religion and called up the first Nicene Council.
It's always a woman :) Æthelberht married a little French hottie who probably kept her legs crossed until he converted and voila, the first Christian British king.
Despite Paul's carping about women Christians have always known the path
to success. Mithraism was very popular but it was a boy's club. The Christians got the upper hand and suppressed it.
I wonder how history would have played out if Julian (the Apostate) hadn't decided to take on the Persians and get himself killed.?
If he had gone ahead and pretty much reduced Christianity to
insignificance? I don't know, but I get the impression that doing so
would have been disastrous whether it be through a military disaster or
a social one.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:55:47 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
If he had gone ahead and pretty much reduced Christianity to
insignificance? I don't know, but I get the impression that doing so
would have been disastrous whether it be through a military disaster or
a social one.
Gibbon pointed to Christianity as a major factor in the decline of the
Roman Empire but his reasons were weak. Some of them are like the Hindu arguments against Buddhism -- all the bright young men are going into monasteries instead of fulfilling their duties as warriors and administrators.
Julian was too late. Christianity had spread to the powerful instead of
being confined to the underclass.
I guess I'm glad I didn't go through with the essay I wanted to write
for my Roman History class all those years ago. I suggested that
Christianity weakened Rome and the teaching assistants laughed and said
that if I could prove it, all the better. I suppose that Gibbon who is probably a lot more researched than I am already attempted it and failed miserably.
Problem with a lot of historians is that they intentionally or unintentionally skew history to match their bias.
On 2024-02-14, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
On 2024-02-13 11:48 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:55:47 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
If he had gone ahead and pretty much reduced Christianity to
insignificance? I don't know, but I get the impression that doing so
would have been disastrous whether it be through a military disaster or >>>> a social one.
Gibbon pointed to Christianity as a major factor in the decline of the
Roman Empire but his reasons were weak. Some of them are like the Hindu
arguments against Buddhism -- all the bright young men are going into
monasteries instead of fulfilling their duties as warriors and
administrators.
Julian was too late. Christianity had spread to the powerful instead of
being confined to the underclass.
I guess I'm glad I didn't go through with the essay I wanted to write
for my Roman History class all those years ago. I suggested that
Christianity weakened Rome and the teaching assistants laughed and said
that if I could prove it, all the better. I suppose that Gibbon who is
probably a lot more researched than I am already attempted it and failed
miserably.
Problem with a lot of historians is that they intentionally or unintentionally skew history to match their bias.
On 2/14/2024 11:11 AM, RonB wrote:
Problem with a lot of historians is that they intentionally or
unintentionally skew history to match their bias.
Same with cola Linux idiots who claim the 2020 voting machines were
"rigged".
On 2024-02-14 12:14 p.m., DFS wrote:
On 2/14/2024 11:11 AM, RonB wrote:
Problem with a lot of historians is that they intentionally or
unintentionally skew history to match their bias.
Same with cola Linux idiots who claim the 2020 voting machines were
"rigged".
Well, I am a "COLA idiot" who will proudly state that there is
absolutely no way the 2020 voting machines were not rigged, especially
when we know of Dominion's many vulnerabilities (https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/ics-advisories/icsa-22-154-01). We are supposed to believe the government simply telling us that they weren't exploited when it's clear that there was a ton of Chinese exploitation
of these systems during the election.
On 2024-02-14, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
On 2024-02-14 11:11 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2024-02-14, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
On 2024-02-13 11:48 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:55:47 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
If he had gone ahead and pretty much reduced Christianity to
insignificance? I don't know, but I get the impression that doing so >>>>>> would have been disastrous whether it be through a military disaster or >>>>>> a social one.
Gibbon pointed to Christianity as a major factor in the decline of the >>>>> Roman Empire but his reasons were weak. Some of them are like the Hindu >>>>> arguments against Buddhism -- all the bright young men are going into >>>>> monasteries instead of fulfilling their duties as warriors and
administrators.
Julian was too late. Christianity had spread to the powerful instead of >>>>> being confined to the underclass.
I guess I'm glad I didn't go through with the essay I wanted to write
for my Roman History class all those years ago. I suggested that
Christianity weakened Rome and the teaching assistants laughed and said >>>> that if I could prove it, all the better. I suppose that Gibbon who is >>>> probably a lot more researched than I am already attempted it and failed >>>> miserably.
Problem with a lot of historians is that they intentionally or
unintentionally skew history to match their bias.
That's quite possible. However, to me, the impact seemed obvious. Romans
grew up knowing that they would eventually be required to join the
military and their culture required them to honour their ancestors and
prove themselves in battle. That's quite a bit different from avoiding
military service altogether in favour of constant leisure, honouring
some bearded guy who is against violence and proving your worth through
prayer and good deeds. I'm not sure if good deeds were required of
Christians at the time though.
Well, since Christians were often martyred in the Roman Empire for refusing to honor Roman gods, I'm pretty sure they weren't all that soft and squishy.
The Roman Empire (it had been a Republic) became decadent and rotted out
from the core — kind of like the United States is doing now.
On 2/14/2024 12:53 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-02-14 12:14 p.m., DFS wrote:
On 2/14/2024 11:11 AM, RonB wrote:
Problem with a lot of historians is that they intentionally or
unintentionally skew history to match their bias.
Same with cola Linux idiots who claim the 2020 voting machines were
"rigged".
Well, I am a "COLA idiot" who will proudly state that there is
absolutely no way the 2020 voting machines were not rigged, especially
when we know of Dominion's many vulnerabilities
(https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/ics-advisories/icsa-22-154-01). We
are supposed to believe the government simply telling us that they
weren't exploited when it's clear that there was a ton of Chinese
exploitation of these systems during the election.
Could you send this, plus all your supporting "evidence", directly to Dominion? Make sure to include your name and address and phone number. Maybe you can get cola idiot RonG to co-sign it.
They're probably too busy counting the defamation money they won from
Fox for stating the same idiocy you and RonB posted, but Dominion might
need some of your money for employee bonuses.
Note: as a nobody on a backwater newsgroup, you're virtually immune from being held responsible for such irresponsible defamatory claims, but if
you try hard you might get a cease-and-desist letter from Dominion.
Would that make you proud?
On 2024-02-14 1:08 p.m., DFS wrote:
On 2/14/2024 12:53 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-02-14 12:14 p.m., DFS wrote:
On 2/14/2024 11:11 AM, RonB wrote:
Problem with a lot of historians is that they intentionally or
unintentionally skew history to match their bias.
Same with cola Linux idiots who claim the 2020 voting machines were
"rigged".
Well, I am a "COLA idiot" who will proudly state that there is
absolutely no way the 2020 voting machines were not rigged,
especially when we know of Dominion's many vulnerabilities
(https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/ics-advisories/icsa-22-154-01). We
are supposed to believe the government simply telling us that they
weren't exploited when it's clear that there was a ton of Chinese
exploitation of these systems during the election.
Could you send this, plus all your supporting "evidence", directly to
Dominion? Make sure to include your name and address and phone
number. Maybe you can get cola idiot RonG to co-sign it.
They're probably too busy counting the defamation money they won from
Fox for stating the same idiocy you and RonB posted, but Dominion
might need some of your money for employee bonuses.
Note: as a nobody on a backwater newsgroup, you're virtually immune
from being held responsible for such irresponsible defamatory claims,
but if you try hard you might get a cease-and-desist letter from
Dominion. Would that make you proud?
Oh, look at that, a problem ceased to exist the moment it helped
Democrats get into office: <https://www.courthousenews.com/details-of-voting-equipment-breach-emerge-in-dominion-security-trial/>
On 2024-02-14 1:08 p.m., DFS wrote:
On 2/14/2024 12:53 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-02-14 12:14 p.m., DFS wrote:
On 2/14/2024 11:11 AM, RonB wrote:
Problem with a lot of historians is that they intentionally or
unintentionally skew history to match their bias.
Same with cola Linux idiots who claim the 2020 voting machines were
"rigged".
Well, I am a "COLA idiot" who will proudly state that there is
absolutely no way the 2020 voting machines were not rigged, especially
when we know of Dominion's many vulnerabilities
(https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/ics-advisories/icsa-22-154-01). We
are supposed to believe the government simply telling us that they
weren't exploited when it's clear that there was a ton of Chinese
exploitation of these systems during the election.
Could you send this, plus all your supporting "evidence", directly to
Dominion? Make sure to include your name and address and phone number.
Maybe you can get cola idiot RonG to co-sign it.
They're probably too busy counting the defamation money they won from
Fox for stating the same idiocy you and RonB posted, but Dominion might
need some of your money for employee bonuses.
Note: as a nobody on a backwater newsgroup, you're virtually immune from
being held responsible for such irresponsible defamatory claims, but if
you try hard you might get a cease-and-desist letter from Dominion.
Would that make you proud?
Oh, look at that, a problem ceased to exist the moment it helped
Democrats get into office: <https://www.courthousenews.com/details-of-voting-equipment-breach-emerge-in-dominion-security-trial/>
On 2/14/2024 1:41 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-02-14 1:08 p.m., DFS wrote:
On 2/14/2024 12:53 PM, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-02-14 12:14 p.m., DFS wrote:
On 2/14/2024 11:11 AM, RonB wrote:
Problem with a lot of historians is that they intentionally or
unintentionally skew history to match their bias.
Same with cola Linux idiots who claim the 2020 voting machines were
"rigged".
Well, I am a "COLA idiot" who will proudly state that there is
absolutely no way the 2020 voting machines were not rigged,
especially when we know of Dominion's many vulnerabilities
(https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/ics-advisories/icsa-22-154-01). We
are supposed to believe the government simply telling us that they
weren't exploited when it's clear that there was a ton of Chinese
exploitation of these systems during the election.
Could you send this, plus all your supporting "evidence", directly to
Dominion? Make sure to include your name and address and phone
number. Maybe you can get cola idiot RonG to co-sign it.
They're probably too busy counting the defamation money they won from
Fox for stating the same idiocy you and RonB posted, but Dominion
might need some of your money for employee bonuses.
Note: as a nobody on a backwater newsgroup, you're virtually immune
from being held responsible for such irresponsible defamatory claims,
but if you try hard you might get a cease-and-desist letter from
Dominion. Would that make you proud?
Oh, look at that, a problem ceased to exist the moment it helped
Democrats get into office:
<https://www.courthousenews.com/details-of-voting-equipment-breach-emerge-in-dominion-security-trial/>
Voting machines have been used for decades, and everyone rightly
questions their integrity.
But why in 2020 were there charges of rigged machines that changed
enough votes to alter the election outcome? ONE reason only: scumbag
Donald J Trump, and his starstruck, gullible followers.
It amazes me anyone believes anything that pos says.
Whom do you imagine is capable of judging the divinely
instituted Church?
Only the Church had the authority (passed down
through Jesus and His apostles) to decided which were which.
Jesus the Son, fully Man and fully God, has a human soul.
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 07:12:23 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
Whom do you imagine is capable of judging the divinely instituted
Church?
But it is only this “Church” itself that says it is “divinely instituted”.
Other religions disagree, based on arguments that have just as much
worth (or lack of it) as yours.
I'm literally the second coming
what does it say
Catholicism is an abomination.
answer to no one.
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:46:53 -0500, Joel wrote:
Catholicism is an abomination.
I'm fairly certain the feeling is mutual.
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Catholicism is an abomination.
I'm fairly certain the feeling is mutual.
26Jesus answered, “[...] 27Do not work for food that spoils, but for
food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you.
For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
I answer to no one.
On 2/15/2024 11:52 PM, Joel wrote:
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
Catholicism is an abomination.
I'm fairly certain the feeling is mutual.
26Jesus answered, “[...] 27Do not work for food that spoils, but for
food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you.
For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
I answer to no one.
What about the voices in your head?
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:46:53 -0500, Joel wrote:
Catholicism is an abomination.
I'm fairly certain the feeling is mutual.
RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
User-Agent: Betterbird (macOS)
Fag.
On 2/16/2024 9:13 AM, Joel wrote:
RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
User-Agent: Betterbird (macOS)
Fag.
heh!
So by consensus:
Macs are for fags
Linux is for losers
Windows is for winners
I agree...
Here's someone I suspect is Feeb (he runs Gentoo) fighting off filthy, imaginary MacFags
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niTIymNttvE
I'm down to using the beloved MacOS on the laptop
and Windows on the gaming laptop I have at home that is constantly connected to a dock and
a 27" screen.
I love Linux but don't see a use for it considering what
my habits are.
Considering how fantastic the experience of using MacOS
has been and the fact that Apple gives me a generous rebate simply for
being a teacher (which I can use on an extended warranty), I am not
likely to get another x64 machine in the future.
As for being a homosexual, I am not.
The only homosexual in this
newsgroup is Joel Crump and he is clearly so considering he has deluded himself into believe that the equally-deluded man with a dick who
believes himself to be a woman is his girlfriend.
On 2/16/2024 9:40 AM, RabidPedagog wrote:
I'm down to using the beloved MacOS on the laptop
Is the b-word really appropriate for MacOS?
and Windows on the gaming laptop I have at home that is constantly
connected to a dock and a 27" screen.
So you decided to support the "pedophile software" after all?
What games do you recommend? I had my eye on Red Dead Redemption 2.
I love Linux but don't see a use for it considering what my habits are.
I like Linux (via WSL) for command-line coding, mostly in C. That's
about it.
The only homosexual in this newsgroup is Joel Crump and he is clearly
so considering he has deluded himself into believe that the
equally-deluded man with a dick who believes himself to be a woman is
his girlfriend.
Transgenderism and believing it's real are both serious mental
illnesses, no doubt.
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
On 2/15/2024 11:08 PM, rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:46:53 -0500, Joel wrote:
Catholicism is an abomination.
I'm fairly certain the feeling is mutual.
bwa!
I never used money collected from congregants to silence sex abuse
victims, so, they can take that mutual disdain for me and shove it up Francis' God damn ass.
Catholicism is an abomination.
On 2024-02-16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 07:15:32 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
Only the Church had the authority (passed down through Jesus and His
apostles) to decided which were which.
And who gave this “Church” of yours the authority?
Jesus, the Son of God.
Only documents produced by the “Church” itself.
Written by the Apostles, ordained by the Son of God or other Apostles
with the authority given to them by the Son of God.
Christian theology is true, Catholicism is a corruption of it.
I don't care. It's Eurocentric, anti-spiritual, corrupt, inconsistent
with Jesus' teachings. Francis is a sellout. I have no beef with RCC believers and clergy who are sincere individuals, though, and I respect
a lot of Catholic charity work.
On 2024-02-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:46:53 -0500, Joel wrote:
Catholicism is an abomination.
I think you are free to believe in whatever sky fairies you like.
The trouble comes when you start insisting your sky fairy is the only true >> sky fairy, all other sky fairies are false.
You and your sky fairies. Get help.
That is not the path to religious tolerance.
Toleration is external. You allow people to believe what they want, even
when it's wrong. Toleration allows free will. But if you really believe that others can be right when they directly oppose the truths taught by your religion, that's not tolerance, that's capitulation. Either you believe in the truth of your religion, or you don't. If you don't, you really don't believe in anything.
Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life: no one comes unto the Father but by Me." No middle ground here.
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:18:02 -0500, Joel wrote:
Christian theology is true, Catholicism is a corruption of it.
Without the Catholic Church Christianity would have died on the vine not
the cross.
On 2024-02-29 2:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2024-02-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:46:53 -0500, Joel wrote:
Catholicism is an abomination.
I think you are free to believe in whatever sky fairies you like.
The trouble comes when you start insisting your sky fairy is the only true >>> sky fairy, all other sky fairies are false.
You and your sky fairies. Get help.
That is not the path to religious tolerance.
Toleration is external. You allow people to believe what they want, even
when it's wrong. Toleration allows free will. But if you really believe that >> others can be right when they directly oppose the truths taught by your
religion, that's not tolerance, that's capitulation. Either you believe in >> the truth of your religion, or you don't. If you don't, you really don't
believe in anything.
Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life: no one comes unto the
Father but by Me." No middle ground here.
Joel Crump will have lots of time to think about which faith was the
right one when he dies and demons come to drag him to Hell. As far as I
know, no religion allows for homosexuality of any kind.
On 2024-02-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On 2024-02-29 2:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2024-02-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:46:53 -0500, Joel wrote:
Catholicism is an abomination.
I think you are free to believe in whatever sky fairies you like.
The trouble comes when you start insisting your sky fairy is the only true
sky fairy, all other sky fairies are false.
You and your sky fairies. Get help.
That is not the path to religious tolerance.
Toleration is external. You allow people to believe what they want, even >>>> when it's wrong. Toleration allows free will. But if you really believe that
others can be right when they directly oppose the truths taught by your >>>> religion, that's not tolerance, that's capitulation. Either you believe in >>>> the truth of your religion, or you don't. If you don't, you really don't >>>> believe in anything.
Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life: no one comes unto the >>>> Father but by Me." No middle ground here.
Joel Crump will have lots of time to think about which faith was the
right one when he dies and demons come to drag him to Hell. As far as I
know, no religion allows for homosexuality of any kind.
No one is getting dragged to Hell.
And you know this... how? By faith?
No need for it anyway, we've got nice pockets of it on Earth.
Nothing on Earth equals hell. Although a lot evil bastards seem to be "hellbent" on making Earth as hell-like as they can. As an atheist friend once said, "the lowest depths of hell are reserved for pedophiles." Never mind the contradiction, I think he got it right.
1 At that hour the disciples came to Jesus, saying: Who thinkest thou is
the greater in the kingdom of heaven? 2 And Jesus calling unto him a
little child, set him in the midst of them, 3 And said: Amen I say to
you, unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall
not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4 Whosoever therefore shall humble
himself as this little child, he is the greater in the kingdom of heaven.
5 And he that shall receive one such little child in my name, receiveth
me. 6 But he that shall scandalize one of these little ones that believe
in me, it were better for him that a millstone should be hanged about his
neck, and that he should be drowned in the depth of the sea. 7 Woe to the
world because of scandals. For it must needs be that scandals come: but
nevertheless woe to that man by whom the scandal cometh. —St. Matthew 18.
On 2024-02-28 8:56 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:18:02 -0500, Joel wrote:
Christian theology is true, Catholicism is a corruption of it.
Without the Catholic Church Christianity would have died on the vine
not the cross.
Not necessarily. Much like Zoroastrianism, it would have had small
pockets of devout in some areas of the world.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 07:37:59 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-02-28 8:56 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:18:02 -0500, Joel wrote:
Christian theology is true, Catholicism is a corruption of it.
Without the Catholic Church Christianity would have died on the vine
not the cross.
Not necessarily. Much like Zoroastrianism, it would have had small
pockets of devout in some areas of the world.
Run into any Mithraists lately? It had been a widespread religion with
ties to Zoroastrianism but didn't survive Theodosius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraeum
afaik there isn't any attempt to revive it unlike several of the other pre-Christian religions. It's an open question if it had any impact on the development of Christianity. Julian had attempted to bring it back but he
was the last pagan emperor.
I've had a discussion in another forum about Rust and its chance of
success. PL/I and Ada had similar aspirations but remain on the fringes.
Why one computer language takes off and another is condemned to obscurity
is similar to religion.
I'll offend everyone by saying the premises of all religions, with the possible exception of old school Buddhism, are extremely unlikely. Most
have the aura of history but how does a modern offering like LDS survive
and thrive? Falun Gong? Scientology? Some have a foot up when they are adopted by the powerful like Christianity and others are more of a grass roots movement.
On 2024-02-29 1:19 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 07:37:59 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-02-28 8:56 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:18:02 -0500, Joel wrote:
Christian theology is true, Catholicism is a corruption of it.
Without the Catholic Church Christianity would have died on the vine
not the cross.
Not necessarily. Much like Zoroastrianism, it would have had small
pockets of devout in some areas of the world.
Run into any Mithraists lately? It had been a widespread religion with
ties to Zoroastrianism but didn't survive Theodosius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraeum
afaik there isn't any attempt to revive it unlike several of the other
pre-Christian religions. It's an open question if it had any impact on the >> development of Christianity. Julian had attempted to bring it back but he
was the last pagan emperor.
I've had a discussion in another forum about Rust and its chance of
success. PL/I and Ada had similar aspirations but remain on the fringes.
Why one computer language takes off and another is condemned to obscurity
is similar to religion.
I'll offend everyone by saying the premises of all religions, with the
possible exception of old school Buddhism, are extremely unlikely. Most
have the aura of history but how does a modern offering like LDS survive
and thrive? Falun Gong? Scientology? Some have a foot up when they are
adopted by the powerful like Christianity and others are more of a grass
roots movement.
Since you brought up Rust and since I don't program at all, I have to
wonder why people are so reluctant to adopt Rust if it indeed has
built-in memory protections.
On 2024-02-29 2:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2024-02-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:46:53 -0500, Joel wrote:
Catholicism is an abomination.
I think you are free to believe in whatever sky fairies you like.
The trouble comes when you start insisting your sky fairy is the only true >>> sky fairy, all other sky fairies are false.
You and your sky fairies. Get help.
That is not the path to religious tolerance.
Toleration is external. You allow people to believe what they want, even
when it's wrong. Toleration allows free will. But if you really believe that >> others can be right when they directly oppose the truths taught by your
religion, that's not tolerance, that's capitulation. Either you believe in >> the truth of your religion, or you don't. If you don't, you really don't
believe in anything.
Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life: no one comes unto the
Father but by Me." No middle ground here.
Joel Crump will have lots of time to think about which faith was the
right one when he dies and demons come to drag him to Hell. As far as I
know, no religion allows for homosexuality of any kind.
On 2024-02-29 1:19 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 07:37:59 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-02-28 8:56 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:18:02 -0500, Joel wrote:
Christian theology is true, Catholicism is a corruption of it.
Without the Catholic Church Christianity would have died on the vine
not the cross.
Not necessarily. Much like Zoroastrianism, it would have had small
pockets of devout in some areas of the world.
Run into any Mithraists lately? It had been a widespread religion with
ties to Zoroastrianism but didn't survive Theodosius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraeum
afaik there isn't any attempt to revive it unlike several of the other
pre-Christian religions. It's an open question if it had any impact on the >> development of Christianity. Julian had attempted to bring it back but he
was the last pagan emperor.
I've had a discussion in another forum about Rust and its chance of
success. PL/I and Ada had similar aspirations but remain on the fringes.
Why one computer language takes off and another is condemned to obscurity
is similar to religion.
I'll offend everyone by saying the premises of all religions, with the
possible exception of old school Buddhism, are extremely unlikely. Most
have the aura of history but how does a modern offering like LDS survive
and thrive? Falun Gong? Scientology? Some have a foot up when they are
adopted by the powerful like Christianity and others are more of a grass
roots movement.
Since you brought up Rust and since I don't program at all, I have to
wonder why people are so reluctant to adopt Rust if it indeed has
built-in memory protections.
RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote at 21:35 this Thursday (GMT):
On 2024-02-29 1:19 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 07:37:59 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
On 2024-02-28 8:56 p.m., rbowman wrote:
On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:18:02 -0500, Joel wrote:
Christian theology is true, Catholicism is a corruption of it.
Without the Catholic Church Christianity would have died on the vine >>>>> not the cross.
Not necessarily. Much like Zoroastrianism, it would have had small
pockets of devout in some areas of the world.
Run into any Mithraists lately? It had been a widespread religion with
ties to Zoroastrianism but didn't survive Theodosius.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraeum
afaik there isn't any attempt to revive it unlike several of the other
pre-Christian religions. It's an open question if it had any impact on the >>> development of Christianity. Julian had attempted to bring it back but he >>> was the last pagan emperor.
I've had a discussion in another forum about Rust and its chance of
success. PL/I and Ada had similar aspirations but remain on the fringes. >>> Why one computer language takes off and another is condemned to obscurity >>> is similar to religion.
I'll offend everyone by saying the premises of all religions, with the
possible exception of old school Buddhism, are extremely unlikely. Most
have the aura of history but how does a modern offering like LDS survive >>> and thrive? Falun Gong? Scientology? Some have a foot up when they are
adopted by the powerful like Christianity and others are more of a grass >>> roots movement.
Since you brought up Rust and since I don't program at all, I have to
wonder why people are so reluctant to adopt Rust if it indeed has
built-in memory protections.
The devs are controversial.
That kind of stupidity is how you're transparently delusional, Jesus
said about me that Yahweh gives me his "seal of approval". That's
pretty strong words to say about one individual 2000 years in the
fucking future. Clearly, my bisexuality and trans woman attraction
doesn't send me to this imaginary "hell".
I still want to understand newer C++ constructs such as promises and
futures. I'm not sure the C++ book market is keeping up, with the "retirement" of Scott Meyers. I have started to use lambdas... nothing
like being able too look up a lambda function using a MIDI control
status or a keystroke. Beats the snot out of a buncha "ifs" or a bigass "switch" statement.
Since you brought up Rust and since I don't program at all, I have to
wonder why people are so reluctant to adopt Rust if it indeed has
built-in memory protections.
You ever seen anyone getting dragged to hell?
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:50:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
You ever seen anyone getting dragged to hell?
I had to go to Baltimore once...
I've been through B-more many times in the car I used to have, no one
tried to do anything to me, you may think it's too urban for you, fine,
don't judge it as if it's "hell", though.
On 2024-02-29 4:55 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:
Since you brought up Rust and since I don't program at all, I have to
wonder why people are so reluctant to adopt Rust if it indeed has
built-in memory protections.
The devs are controversial.
Do they believe in two genders?
<brevsnip>
That's my take on Baltimore. I've got similar stories about Pittsburg,
South Central, and other shit holes. I even made it to LA for the Rodney
King riots. The terminal was about a mile from DizzyWorld. I was reading
in the cab when the assholes had their evening fireworks display. I was
out of the truck with my trusty nine looking for a target before I
realized what it was.
On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:35:10 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
Since you brought up Rust and since I don't program at all, I have to
wonder why people are so reluctant to adopt Rust if it indeed has
built-in memory protections.
Part of it is skepticism I think. Programmers have been burned by the
latest greatest over the years and have a wait and see attitude. I've
looked at it although I don't have a need for it. What struck me is some
of the syntax that seems gratuitous when looking at the languages it was derived from. 'fn'? 'let'? Perhaps there is a valid lexical reason. It's like R using =: for assignment and using = with a different connotation.
https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2024/02/27/memory-safe-programming-languages/
"The White House is asking the technical community to switch to using memory-safe programming languages – such as Rust, Python, Swift, C#, Java, and Go – to prevent memory corruption vulnerabilities from entering the digital ecosystem."
Okay, I'll play along -- Python and C# it is.
On 2024-02-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On 2024-02-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
On 2024-02-29 2:54 a.m., RonB wrote:
On 2024-02-29, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 20:46:53 -0500, Joel wrote:
Catholicism is an abomination.
I think you are free to believe in whatever sky fairies you like. >>>>>>>
The trouble comes when you start insisting your sky fairy is the only true
sky fairy, all other sky fairies are false.
You and your sky fairies. Get help.
That is not the path to religious tolerance.
Toleration is external. You allow people to believe what they want, even >>>>>> when it's wrong. Toleration allows free will. But if you really believe that
others can be right when they directly oppose the truths taught by your >>>>>> religion, that's not tolerance, that's capitulation. Either you believe in
the truth of your religion, or you don't. If you don't, you really don't >>>>>> believe in anything.
Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life: no one comes unto the >>>>>> Father but by Me." No middle ground here.
Joel Crump will have lots of time to think about which faith was the >>>>> right one when he dies and demons come to drag him to Hell. As far as I >>>>> know, no religion allows for homosexuality of any kind.
No one is getting dragged to Hell.
And you know this... how? By faith?
You ever seen anyone getting dragged to hell?
Hell, I don't even know where it is.
Never seen one damn peer-reviewed paper about it.
And because you (personally) haven't seen it, it can't be true? I'm glad the whole universe doesn't depend on what you've seen or haven't seen. There wouldn't be much of it left then, would there?
Heh, Algol and then Pascal used ":=" (assignment) and "=" (comparison).
I'll stick with carefully-crafted C++, thankyouverymuch.
Are these the same people that mandated "Ada"? :-D
And one is completely true and the others aren't.
It's true that Baltimore is a rough area in many ways. But I feel OK
there, being black inside. I guess it's just perspective.
But mostly LA was a fun place to live, a lot to do, great restaurants,
the Op Amp bookstore, the La Brea tar pits, so many different cultures represented.
I don't believe that scientists have completely figured out the atom. I
think when (if) they can "drill down" further they'll find smaller and smaller elements.
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 08:26:35 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Heh, Algol and then Pascal used ":=" (assignment) and "=" (comparison).
Python dug it up in 3.8 and called it the walrus operator. I like the
concept even though it brings up bad memories. To mix languages
if (ptr = strchr(foo, 'z')) {
*ptr = 'Z'
}
wouldn't work in Python. You'd have to evaluate ptr then check for its truthiness. That did introduce its share of bugs in C where == was what
was meant.
I'll stick with carefully-crafted C++, thankyouverymuch.
Are these the same people that mandated "Ada"? :-D
No, that's one thing in Rust's favor. Graydon Hoare (not Tony) brewed it
up at Mozilla and it eventually was adopted by other people. Ada was a DoD project. You have to wonder if the F-35's software is written in Ada. It definitely shows its Algol roots.
I'm not that crazy about C++ but that's more about what people have done
with it. At least in my edition of 'The C++ Programming Language'
Stroustrup is very restrained in his usage compared to 'you've got to use every feature every time.' It also suffered from a lack of
standardization until the STL / Standard Library got ironed out.
On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 08:17:55 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
But mostly LA was a fun place to live, a lot to do, great restaurants,
the Op Amp bookstore, the La Brea tar pits, so many different cultures
represented.
I didn't mind it. I carried a bicycle on the truck and for a while the terminal was near State College and Ball Rd. It was a short hope to the
Santa Ana bike trail so I could either go down to the beach or the other
way to a little state park iirc. Santa Ana itself was a little sketchy
but I never had a problem. That was before it became a homeless
encampment.
What I found fascinating were the leftovers from the old days.
There was a
field of strawberries not far from the terminal, probably an acre or two plunked down in a commercial area. The terminal had been in La Mirada for
a while and there was a little dairy farm a couple of blocks north.
I regret I didn't get to see more of the attractions but there isn't a lot
of sightseeing you can do with a bobtail (just the tractor with out a trailer) and overall the city wasn't bicycle friendly.
On the hillside of Granada Hills, north of LA, I saw some weird moving blotches. Then realized it was a herd of sheep on the hillside.
Also a number of warning signs about rattlesnakes.
Every time I try another language, I find it has things missing that C++
has.
Or it has incorporated some concept from C++ but in a stilted way. Like
this one:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 08:47:42 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
Every time I try another language, I find it has things missing that C++
has.
Or it has incorporated some concept from C++ but in a stilted way. Like
this one:
I find that handy and not particularly stilted. The Python syntax is
with open("numbers.txt", "r") as input:
Necessary? No, but if you've ever debugged a C/C++ program that leaked
file descriptors like a sieve you can appreciate the construct.
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