So we're back to people[*] criticizing the _real_ "windows
subsystem for Linux" -- WINE -- based on its performance from
10(?) years ago.
Today, WINE runs a lot, and does it very well -- and for
bleeding-edge performance, there's proton.
If Linux can run Starfield, Elite Dangerous Odyssey, or other
such games on proton, why wouldn't it run (say) Word or Excel
with the same middleware?
Remember, running such high-performance software on proton _can_
be just as fast -- if not faster -- than on Windows. Why? It
maps DirectX calls Vulkan calls with DXVK, which goes _scat_.
So, whither Word or Excel?
I have no need for them, but others might. What would happen if
either ended up in the Steam store, for example? (MSFT wouldn't
dare, of course.)
But there's no need for that, because there's microsoft365.com now.
* * *
This matter of criticizing old Linux is very much like claiming
Linux hasn't grown. But, 'struth: Linux is everywhere now,
except perhaps the desktop...and even there, the "new" "Windows
subsystem for Linux" is Linux running _within_ Windows, which is
a very popular desktop. (Or so we're told -- over and over
again: Indeed, it is the Budweiser of operating systems.)
So get your fainting couches ready, Windows weenies, because
Microsoft is also using Linux -- and not NT -- for their
datacenter infrastructures. Azure switches and servers run their
own Linux distribution.
So, yes, Virginia, there is a "Microsoft Linux" -- and if your
shop uses a Windows VDI on Azure, guess what is hypervising your
Windows, hmm?
(When running Windows on my desktop, I would add Cygwin. I don't
run Windows now, but if I need to in the future, it's nice to
know such things exist to make it a friendlier system...more on
that later.)
[*] DFS and someone else, if I'm not mistaken
So we're back to people[*] criticizing the _real_ "windows
subsystem for Linux" -- WINE -- based on its performance from
10(?) years ago.
Today, WINE runs a lot, and does it very well
-- and for
bleeding-edge performance, there's proton.
If Linux can run Starfield, Elite Dangerous Odyssey, or other
such games on proton, why wouldn't it run (say) Word or Excel
with the same middleware?
This matter of criticizing old Linux is very much like claiming
Linux hasn't grown.
[*] DFS and someone else, if I'm not mistaken
On 2/6/2024 5:23 AM, vallor wrote:
So we're back to people[*] criticizing the _real_ "windows
subsystem for Linux" -- WINE -- based on its performance from
10(?) years ago.
Today, WINE runs a lot, and does it very well
For tiny, tiny values of "a lot" and "very well".
https://appdb.winehq.org Browse Apps
The fact that they have 5 rating tiers is a big red flag. What's the
point if it doesn't run all features about as well as on Windows?
And their search feature is all fucked up.
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bIsQueue=false&bIsRejected=false&sClass=application&sTitle=Browse+Applications&iItemsPerPage=25&iPage=1&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true
It returns no hits for keywords contains Microsoft Office, but it
returns 40 hits for keywords contains Office, and one of those 40 is,
you guessed it, Microsoft Office.
The last version of Excel they have an entry for is 2016 (32-bit), and
the testing done is extremely, extremely basic.
-- and for
bleeding-edge performance, there's proton.
If Linux can run Starfield, Elite Dangerous Odyssey, or other
such games on proton, why wouldn't it run (say) Word or Excel
with the same middleware?
Last time I wasted my life with Wine (Oct 2020) it was a fiasco, and I
won't do it again for a long time.
<fQWjH.350439$%p.217548@fx33.iad>
It did run Excel 2003 and Notepad++, but completely failed to run Access
and Outlook 2003.
This matter of criticizing old Linux is very much like claiming
Linux hasn't grown.
Criticizing Wine isn't a critique of Linux.
If nothing else, Wine gets credit for 30 years of devotion, but users
are far better off dual-booting.
[*] DFS and someone else, if I'm not mistaken
It looks like Wine (Proton) runs games better than anything else, but I
won't waste my time trying it again for a few more years.
On 2/6/24 08:21, DFS wrote:
On 2/6/2024 5:23 AM, vallor wrote:
So we're back to people[*] criticizing the _real_ "windows
subsystem for Linux" -- WINE -- based on its performance from
10(?) years ago.
Today, WINE runs a lot, and does it very well
For tiny, tiny values of "a lot" and "very well".
https://appdb.winehq.org Browse Apps
The fact that they have 5 rating tiers is a big red flag. What's the
point if it doesn't run all features about as well as on Windows?
And their search feature is all fucked up.
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bIsQueue=false&bIsRejected=false&sClass=application&sTitle=Browse+Applications&iItemsPerPage=25&iPage=1&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true
It returns no hits for keywords contains Microsoft Office, but it
returns 40 hits for keywords contains Office, and one of those 40 is,
you guessed it, Microsoft Office.
The last version of Excel they have an entry for is 2016 (32-bit), and
the testing done is extremely, extremely basic.
-- and for
bleeding-edge performance, there's proton.
If Linux can run Starfield, Elite Dangerous Odyssey, or other
such games on proton, why wouldn't it run (say) Word or Excel
with the same middleware?
Last time I wasted my life with Wine (Oct 2020) it was a fiasco, and I
won't do it again for a long time.
<fQWjH.350439$%p.217548@fx33.iad>
It did run Excel 2003 and Notepad++, but completely failed to run
Access and Outlook 2003.
This matter of criticizing old Linux is very much like claiming
Linux hasn't grown.
Criticizing Wine isn't a critique of Linux.
If nothing else, Wine gets credit for 30 years of devotion, but users
are far better off dual-booting.
[*] DFS and someone else, if I'm not mistaken
It looks like Wine (Proton) runs games better than anything else, but
I won't waste my time trying it again for a few more years.
You could use LibreOffice.
On 2/6/24 08:21, DFS wrote:
You could use LibreOffice.
On 2/6/2024 12:05 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2/6/24 08:21, DFS wrote:
You could use LibreOffice.
I could castrate myself, too.
On 2/6/2024 12:05 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2/6/24 08:21, DFS wrote:
You could use LibreOffice.
I could castrate myself, too.
On 2024-02-07 11:18 a.m., DFS wrote:
On 2/6/2024 12:05 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
On 2/6/24 08:21, DFS wrote:
You could use LibreOffice.
I could castrate myself, too.
At the very least, you'd end up being more feminine than Joel's
"girlfriend."
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 2/7/24 10:18, DFS wrote:
On 2/6/2024 12:05 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
You could use LibreOffice.
I could castrate myself, too.
ok
You are the most calm mannered person in COLA, which is cool.
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 2/7/24 10:18, DFS wrote:
On 2/6/2024 12:05 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
You could use LibreOffice.
I could castrate myself, too.
ok
You are the most calm mannered person in COLA, which is cool.
calm is boring. Who wants a group where everyone is calm and nice and agreeable?
cola should be, and often is, contentious and interesting and somewhat exciting.
[*] DFS and someone else, if I'm not mistaken
On 2/9/2024 8:01 AM, DFS wrote:
On 2/7/2024 12:11 PM, Joel wrote:
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 2/7/24 10:18, DFS wrote:
On 2/6/2024 12:05 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
You could use LibreOffice.
I could castrate myself, too.
ok
You are the most calm mannered person in COLA, which is cool.
calm is boring. Who wants a group where everyone is calm and nice and
agreeable?
cola should be, and often is, contentious and interesting and somewhat
exciting.
Good. You early human are coming to terms with your own species.
DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
On 2/7/2024 12:11 PM, Joel wrote:
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 2/7/24 10:18, DFS wrote:
On 2/6/2024 12:05 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
You could use LibreOffice.
I could castrate myself, too.
ok
You are the most calm mannered person in COLA, which is cool.
calm is boring. Who wants a group where everyone is calm and nice and
agreeable?
cola should be, and often is, contentious and interesting and somewhat
exciting.
Maybe that's why I didn't wait for Win13 to switch to Linux. Not only
am I not delaying the inevitable, but I wanted to have something to
talk about with you.
Le 09-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
calm is boring. Who wants a group where everyone is calm and nice and
agreeable?
That's what I say about LP/NV/DG/FR/LM/whatever: is very funny.
cola should be, and often is, contentious and interesting and somewhat
exciting.
OK, I don't believe I've ever been able to have an interesting
discussion with him. But I have a lot of fun from time to time.
On 2/7/2024 12:11 PM, Joel wrote:
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
On 2/7/24 10:18, DFS wrote:
On 2/6/2024 12:05 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
You could use LibreOffice.
I could castrate myself, too.
ok
You are the most calm mannered person in COLA, which is cool.
calm is boring. Who wants a group where everyone is calm and nice and agreeable?
cola should be, and often is, contentious and interesting and somewhat exciting.
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