• Finally made the leap to Linux 6

    From vallor@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 3 07:40:36 2024
    I wrote a few months ago about needing to hold back NVidia driver
    updates in Linux Mint. I needed to keep running nvidia*525 since
    535 had problems with Starfield (on both Linux and Windows).

    So I saw nvidia*545 become available on Mint, so I released
    the holds. After the update/upgrade, I booted to Linux 6.
    But on checking the kernels list in Software Update, I saw
    I was running an unsupported kernel, 6.6.6.

    Found the kernel with support -- 6.5.0 -- installed and booted it.
    Haven't tried Starfield with it yet, but Elite Dangerous runs great.

    $ cat /etc/os-release
    NAME="Linux Mint"
    VERSION="21.2 (Victoria)"
    ID=linuxmint
    ID_LIKE="ubuntu debian"
    PRETTY_NAME="Linux Mint 21.2"
    VERSION_ID="21.2"
    HOME_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/" SUPPORT_URL="https://forums.linuxmint.com/" BUG_REPORT_URL="http://linuxmint-troubleshooting-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/"
    PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
    VERSION_CODENAME=victoria
    UBUNTU_CODENAME=jammy

    --
    -v

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to vallor on Sat Feb 3 07:50:35 2024
    On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 07:40:36 -0000 (UTC), vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote
    in <upkqlk$31563$1@dont-email.me>:

    I wrote a few months ago about needing to hold back NVidia driver
    updates in Linux Mint. I needed to keep running nvidia*525 since
    535 had problems with Starfield (on both Linux and Windows).

    So I saw nvidia*545 become available on Mint, so I released
    the holds. After the update/upgrade, I booted to Linux 6.
    But on checking the kernels list in Software Update, I saw
    I was running an unsupported kernel, 6.6.6.

    Found the kernel with support -- 6.5.0 -- installed and booted it.
    Haven't tried Starfield with it yet, but Elite Dangerous runs great.


    Ah, a snag -- decided I wanted a low-latency kernel, so I installed linux-lowlatency. I got one (and booted to it), but it's only
    Linux 5.

    [ Linux lm 5.15.0-92-lowlatency #102-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT
    Mon Jan 15 10:13:06 UTC 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux ]

    I might have to build my own kernel if I want a low-latency
    Linux 6...it's been years since I've done that.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to vallor on Sat Feb 3 07:09:00 2024
    vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 07:40:36 -0000 (UTC), vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote
    in <upkqlk$31563$1@dont-email.me>:

    I wrote a few months ago about needing to hold back NVidia driver
    updates in Linux Mint. I needed to keep running nvidia*525 since
    535 had problems with Starfield (on both Linux and Windows).

    So I saw nvidia*545 become available on Mint, so I released
    the holds. After the update/upgrade, I booted to Linux 6.
    But on checking the kernels list in Software Update, I saw
    I was running an unsupported kernel, 6.6.6.

    Found the kernel with support -- 6.5.0 -- installed and booted it.
    Haven't tried Starfield with it yet, but Elite Dangerous runs great.

    Ah, a snag -- decided I wanted a low-latency kernel, so I installed linux-lowlatency. I got one (and booted to it), but it's only
    Linux 5.

    [ Linux lm 5.15.0-92-lowlatency #102-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT
    Mon Jan 15 10:13:06 UTC 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux ]

    I might have to build my own kernel if I want a low-latency
    Linux 6...it's been years since I've done that.

    Ah, the good ol' days.

    Might need to try it just for old time's sake.

    --
    A morgue is a morgue is a morgue. They can paint the walls with aggressively cheerful primary colors and splashy bold graphics, but it's still a holding place for the dead until they can be parted out to organ banks.
    -- Pat Cadigan, "Mindplayers"

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Sat Feb 3 09:55:00 2024
    On 2/3/2024 7:14 AM, Joel wrote:


    Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
    the money, product key and bloat.

    And good software.

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Sat Feb 3 12:16:19 2024
    On 2/3/2024 11:57 AM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
    the money, product key and bloat.

    And good software.


    And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
    natively under Linux with Wine.


    heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.

    I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Sat Feb 3 12:31:24 2024
    On 2/3/2024 12:23 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without >>>>> the money, product key and bloat.

    And good software.

    And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
    natively under Linux with Wine.

    heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.


    You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?

    I'm suggesting the main - possibly only - reason you run Linux is
    because you can run your favorite Windows apps, and if you couldn't run
    them you would stay with Windows.



    I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."


    I am not sure I can say it, honestly.

    So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
    and "I will probably never run Linux again"?



    It's a great choice for gamers.
    It's a great choice to use MS Office and Photoshop, and crap. For me
    it is nevertheless more fruitful, to use the apps that can run under
    Linux, including some Winblows apps under Wine.

    "more fruitful" is really nebulous. Can you quantify or defend it?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 14:14:37 2024
    Le 03-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without >>>>> the money, product key and bloat.

    And good software.

    And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
    natively under Linux with Wine.

    heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.

    You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?

    Of course: it's obvious.

    The purpose of an OS is not to stare at it while swearing and laughing
    in front of it like a FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever moron. The purpose of an OS
    is to allow you to launch the tools/games/whatever you really need. And
    to manage them in the best possible way. So, if what you need is not
    available, it means your OS has nothing to managed, in other words it's useless. And so when you are using wine, you prove your OS is useless.

    That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
    you find alternatives to your Windows toys. That'll show you don't need Windows.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Sun Feb 4 09:55:36 2024
    On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    [The Microsoft Windows platform has] good software.

    And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
    natively under Linux with Wine.

    heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.

    You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?

    I'm suggesting the main - possibly only - reason you run Linux is
    because you can run your favorite Windows apps, and if you couldn't run
    them you would stay with Windows.


    If I take that as completely accurately ascertained by you, it would
    mean they did a damn good job of coding Wine.

    That it runs some Windows apps flawlessly is a credit to them, but the
    overall Wine success rate at running Windows apps well is apparently
    very, very low.

    The Wine devs must love their hobby, since they've been at it for 30
    years with at best middling success.



    I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others." >>>
    I am not sure I can say it, honestly.

    So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
    and "I will probably never run Linux again"?


    I was kidding myself, I think.

    5x sounds like a partial commitment.



    It's a great choice for gamers.
    It's a great choice to use MS Office and Photoshop, and crap. For me
    it is nevertheless more fruitful, to use the apps that can run under
    Linux, including some Winblows apps under Wine.

    "more fruitful" is really nebulous. Can you quantify or defend it?


    I meant that using these apps allows me to not have to use Windows.

    I would definitely use Linux more often if it ran all the Windows-only
    apps I use, which isn't many, but they're very important to me: MS
    Office and Notepad++ mainly. Also SumatraPDF, and Windows Terminal, and
    the dozens/hundreds of Windows apps I've downloaded and use intermittently.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 10:14:35 2024
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
    you find alternatives to your Windows toys.

    Nonsense. There's no need to be "pure".

    --
    '"more choice to the user" - what a crock of shit.' - "True Linux
    advocate" Hadron Quark

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 21:10:41 2024
    Le 04-02-2024, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
    you find alternatives to your Windows toys.

    Nonsense. There's no need to be "pure".

    Thanks for the good laugh.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 21:34:22 2024
    Le 04-02-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
    On 2024-02-04, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
    Le 03-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without >>>>>>> the money, product key and bloat.

    And good software.

    And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
    natively under Linux with Wine.

    heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.

    You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?

    Of course: it's obvious.

    The purpose of an OS is not to stare at it while swearing and laughing
    in front of it like a FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever moron. The purpose of an OS
    is to allow you to launch the tools/games/whatever you really need. And
    to manage them in the best possible way. So, if what you need is not
    available, it means your OS has nothing to managed, in other words it's
    useless. And so when you are using wine, you prove your OS is useless.

    That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
    you find alternatives to your Windows toys. That'll show you don't need
    Windows.

    I hardly ever agree with Joel (he's in my killfile) but what are you saying? That, when you use Linux, you sign some sort of fealty oath with it? That
    you become its vassal and will forever swear off any application that
    doesn't run natively under Linux? — or in any way "betray" Linux? This is not a marriage. Using a Windows application under Wine doesn't mean you "need" Windows, it means you want to run that application on a superior platform, Linux.

    There is no such thing as a Linux betrayal. You do what you want and you
    use what you want. But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
    right when you are using proprietary software. That's all, there is
    nothing more to understand. Something running only on Windows can't be
    FOSS, so if you need wine, you need it to run something proprietary. So
    if you need something proprietary, it means FOSS is not enough. There is nothing difficult to understand.

    Read again what I didn't removed: DFS says Windows is better because
    software is better and Joel answer's was using wine is the solution. So,
    when he answered that he just tell DFS that Windows software are better
    than Linux software. It's not about purity or betrayal or I don't know
    what. It's just about simple logic.

    As for "you're not promoting Linux because you use Wine," I think that's a stretch.

    No.

    It's a personal choice (and I respect that choice)

    Of course it's a personal choice and he can chose what he want. But his
    choices don't promote Linux. How can you convince someone that using Linux+wine+Idontknowwhat is better than using directly Windows to run something? You can't because it's not better. It's a choice, OK, I have
    nothing against choice. But it's not a Linux promotion, because it's
    using a more difficult way to the same thing.

    Choice is good.

    It's not about choice, it's about promoting something or not.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 16:56:53 2024
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
    right when you are using proprietary software.

    You are genuinely stupid, aren't you?

    That's all, there is nothing more to understand.

    Except that you're a fscking idiot.

    Using some closed-source software sure as fsck doesn't "prove" that
    "FOSS is garbage". FOSS isn't "garbage" or inferior just because it
    may not be the best choice for every application.

    --
    "I'm pretty stupid" - Stéphane CARPENTIER

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 4 20:48:20 2024
    On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,


    Sure it can, but it's rare.

    The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
    editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

    Most Windows-only software is closed-source and for sale, or has a feature-limited version that's free of cost.

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to chrisv on Sun Feb 4 21:29:52 2024
    On 2024-02-04 17:56, chrisv wrote:
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
    right when you are using proprietary software.

    You are genuinely stupid, aren't you?

    That's all, there is nothing more to understand.

    Except that you're a fscking idiot.

    Using some closed-source software sure as fsck doesn't "prove" that
    "FOSS is garbage". FOSS isn't "garbage" or inferior just because it
    may not be the best choice for every application.

    FOSS is definitely enough to do pretty much everything that you would
    want to do. However, it is normal that someone would want to continue
    using a piece of software that they are used to, even if it isn't
    officially supported by Linux. That doesn't mean that FOSS is garbage,
    it might just indicate that FOSS doesn't have such a product yet. Even
    if it does, the product might not be as intuitive as the one you've been
    using happily for years.

    --
    RabidPedagog
    Catholic paleoconservative
    Linux Mint patron

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 9 20:39:30 2024
    Le 04-02-2024, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
    right when you are using proprietary software.

    You are genuinely stupid, aren't you?

    Yes, that's not the discovery of the century.

    That's all, there is nothing more to understand.

    Except that you're a fscking idiot.

    You still don't know how to write "fucking". You should learn. It's not
    that difficult. Even a fucking idiot like me can learn that.

    Using some closed-source software sure as fsck doesn't "prove" that
    "FOSS is garbage".

    When DFS says there is nothing good in FOSS, if the answer is a
    proprietary example, it does. There are a lot of ways to answer DFS,
    choosing the worst way possible is the same as proving he's right.

    And I won't tell you how to answer because any answer you want to do is
    stupid. I disagree on a lot of subject with DFS. But one thing is
    certain: he knows what he's speaking of. So he clearly knows when he's
    plain wrong and write things only to piss off some brain dead cola
    users. So in this case, any serious answer is stupid because it's a
    waste of time to give someone some information he already knows. So when
    he writes something like that, just laugh and move on. Or laugh and
    answer with a joke. But don't answer seriously when you are angry
    because you only make him laugh more broadly. And really don't answer
    seriously with a bad argument it would be only the most fun you can
    grant him.

    And by the way, it's "fuck", not "fsck", you really have an issue with
    your brain. Either you want to use a word and you spell it correctly or
    you don't want that word and you use another one. Your way of using
    words you don't like is really weird. There are a lot of words in the
    English dictionary, you should be able to find some that suit your need.

    FOSS isn't "garbage" or inferior just because it
    may not be the best choice for every application.

    It's not the subject. Read. Understand. Answer. In that order. Without
    missing any step.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 9 20:46:21 2024
    Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,

    Sure it can, but it's rare.

    The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

    OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
    care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
    times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
    Windows only tool.

    Most Windows-only software is closed-source and for sale, or has a feature-limited version that's free of cost.

    Yes.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 9 20:51:31 2024
    Le 05-02-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
    On 2024-02-04, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

    It's not about choice, it's about promoting something or not.

    No, it's about choice. You can choose to only use Open Source or you can choose to use proprietary applications or even Windows applications under Wine. I don't (regularly) use Wine (not at all currently) but I do use proprietary native applications for Linux. Others choose to use Wine and Windows applications or only Open Source — I respect their choices.

    Yes, it's about choice, but not like that. DFS said there is no good
    software running on Linux. You have a lot of ways to answer but the only
    one to avoid is a proprietary software running under wine example. If you
    can't give him any good FOOS example running natively on Linux, it means nothing exist and it means he's right.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 00:34:23 2024
    On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,

    Sure it can, but it's rare.

    The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
    editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

    OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
    care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
    times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
    Windows only tool.

    It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcwin32/

    Midnight Commander started as Miguel de Icaza's clone of the Windows
    'Norton Commander' and now it's made it full circle. In the late '90s I
    had backported it as an exercise in using what was then mingw32. That in
    itself was a spinoff of the Cygwin project. Corinna Vinschen of Cygwin was interested in a Linuxy environment on Windows where mingw32 aimed at being
    able to use gcc to create Windows programs, particularly when Mumit Khan
    took over the project. I did a little work creating clean DirectX headers.

    Not sure where all those people are now. De Icaza was the real rising
    star.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 11:24:39 2024
    Le 10-02-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
    On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,

    Sure it can, but it's rare.

    The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
    editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

    OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
    care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
    times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
    Windows only tool.

    It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.

    Yes. That's why I discovered with DFS' message it's a Windows' only FOSS application. Normally, FOSS can be move easily to Linux, so if something
    starts in Windows and is good, there will always be someone to make it
    run on Linux. Something heavily relying on a graphic card or something
    like that could be difficult to do, but for a text editor, it shouldn't
    be that hard.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Feb 10 07:10:40 2024
    On 2/9/2024 7:34 PM, rbowman wrote:
    On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,

    Sure it can, but it's rare.

    The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
    editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

    OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
    care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
    times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
    Windows only tool.

    It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcwin32/

    Midnight Commander started as Miguel de Icaza's clone of the Windows
    'Norton Commander' and now it's made it full circle. In the late '90s I
    had backported it as an exercise in using what was then mingw32. That in itself was a spinoff of the Cygwin project. Corinna Vinschen of Cygwin was interested in a Linuxy environment on Windows where mingw32 aimed at being able to use gcc to create Windows programs, particularly when Mumit Khan
    took over the project. I did a little work creating clean DirectX headers.

    Not sure where all those people are now. De Icaza was the real rising
    star.

    He was. As I recall, he started the gnome project, the Mono project and
    the gnumeric spreadsheet. At one point he left Linux and embraced Macs,
    and even went to work for Microsoft (virtually every FOSS "advocate"
    under the sun will sell out directly to Microsoft for the right amount
    of money).

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 06:52:26 2024
    On 2/9/2024 3:46 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,

    Sure it can, but it's rare.

    The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
    editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

    OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
    care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
    times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
    Windows only tool.

    Most Windows-only software is closed-source and for sale, or has a
    feature-limited version that's free of cost.

    Yes.


    And the quality of most Windows software totally blows away the Linux equivalent.

    For instance, the free of cost but limited versions of these proprietary Windows file renaming apps:

    https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
    https://www.advancedrenamer.com

    There is no Linux alternative with the same ease of use, features and
    good interface.


    I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap, featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.

    https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 12:21:11 2024
    Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :

    I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap, featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.

    https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/

    Why should you use a graphical version of a basic tools to rename simple
    files? It's fast and easy to do on the command line: <https://fossies.org/linux/privat/old/renameutils-0.12.0.tar.gz/#basic_infos>

    Examples from the man page:
    ================================
    EXAMPLES
    Given the files foo1, ..., foo9, foo10, ..., foo278, the commands

    rename foo foo00 foo?
    rename foo foo0 foo??

    will turn them into foo001, ..., foo009, foo010, ..., foo278. And

    rename .htm .html *.htm

    will fix the extension of your html files. Provide an empty string for shortening:

    rename '_with_long_name' '' file_with_long_name.*

    will remove the substring in the filenames. ================================

    On ubuntu/debian they are using another command relying on regex, it's
    more powerful but in all the cases I had, the easy command is doing the
    job.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 12:30:04 2024
    Le 10-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
    Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

    Something running only on Windows can't be
    FOSS

    That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.

    Like what? DFS provided ONE good example. It's valid but it's an
    exception not a proof that I'm totally wrong. So, how many examples can
    you provide? For a start, Forté Agent is not FOSS: <https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
    You should have a lot to be able to prove me wrong.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 07:42:50 2024
    On 2/10/2024 7:21 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
    Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :

    I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
    featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.

    https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/

    Why should you use a graphical version of a basic tools to rename simple files? It's fast and easy to do on the command line:

    Sure. DOS and Windows has the ren command.



    <https://fossies.org/linux/privat/old/renameutils-0.12.0.tar.gz/#basic_infos>

    Examples from the man page:
    ================================
    EXAMPLES
    Given the files foo1, ..., foo9, foo10, ..., foo278, the commands

    rename foo foo00 foo?
    rename foo foo0 foo??

    will turn them into foo001, ..., foo009, foo010, ..., foo278. And

    rename .htm .html *.htm

    will fix the extension of your html files. Provide an empty string for shortening:

    rename '_with_long_name' '' file_with_long_name.*

    will remove the substring in the filenames. ================================

    On ubuntu/debian they are using another command relying on regex, it's
    more powerful but in all the cases I had, the easy command is doing the
    job.



    https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer

    previews the new filenames that would result from the sophisticated
    rules you can set, including regular expressions. If you agree, you
    just hit Apply and it makes the filename changes.

    Linux is doomed.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 08:46:24 2024
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Except that you're a fscking idiot.

    You still don't know how to write "fucking". You should learn. It's not
    that difficult. Even a fucking idiot like me can learn that.

    It's a pun on the UNIX fsck (file-system check) command.

    --
    You love your home and want it to be beautiful.

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to Joel on Sat Feb 10 08:57:28 2024
    Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    the quality of most Windows software totally blows away the Linux >>equivalent.

    For instance, the free of cost but limited versions of these proprietary >>Windows file renaming apps:

    https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
    https://www.advancedrenamer.com

    There is no Linux alternative with the same ease of use, features and
    good interface.

    :-D DFS gotta have his GOOOOOOOIEEEEEEEEE!!!!

    I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap, >>featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.
    https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/

    Not even close to making it worth running Winblows.

    I use the Perl-based rename app. Uses simple Perl commands (e.g. "s/xxx/yyy/g") for rules.

    There is also a simpler rename in the utils-linux package on Arch.

    --
    I fell asleep reading a dull book, and I dreamt that I was reading on,
    so I woke up from sheer boredom.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 14:08:07 2024
    Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer

    previews the new filenames that would result from the sophisticated
    rules you can set, including regular expressions. If you agree, you
    just hit Apply and it makes the filename changes.

    I know what I do. I don't need two or three ARE-YOU-SURE? buttons each
    time I need to do something. When the command is easy, I need it to be
    fast.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 14:13:26 2024
    Le 10-02-2024, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    (snipped, unread)

    You see, I was not lying.

    I've seen your "logic".

    You should try to understand it.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 08:08:24 2024
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    (snipped, unread)

    I've seen your "logic".

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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sat Feb 10 09:55:09 2024
    On 2/10/2024 8:57 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
    Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    the quality of most Windows software totally blows away the Linux
    equivalent.

    For instance, the free of cost but limited versions of these proprietary >>> Windows file renaming apps:

    https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
    https://www.advancedrenamer.com

    There is no Linux alternative with the same ease of use, features and
    good interface.

    :-D DFS gotta have his GOOOOOOOIEEEEEEEEE!!!!


    User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)

    All GUI, all the time.

    Good one, Creepy1




    I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
    featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.

    https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/

    Not even close to making it worth running Winblows.

    I use the Perl-based rename app. Uses simple Perl commands (e.g. "s/xxx/yyy/g")
    for rules.

    There is also a simpler rename in the utils-linux package on Arch.


    ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
    Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.

    You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
    few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

    Windows FTW!

    (I didn't need to tell you that - your entire career was Windows).

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 15:17:44 2024
    Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :

    User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)

    All GUI, all the time.

    Good one, Creepy1

    No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not a
    command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI exist for
    using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So TUI is good for
    that.

    ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
    Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.

    You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
    few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

    No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
    more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 16:15:15 2024
    Le 10-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
    Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

    Something running only on Windows can't be
    FOSS

    That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.

    Like what? DFS provided ONE good example. It's valid but it's an
    exception not a proof that I'm totally wrong. So, how many examples can
    you provide? For a start, Forté Agent is not FOSS: >><https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
    You should have a lot to be able to prove me wrong.


    Forte Agent shouldn't be FOSS, it's better than any other GUI
    newsreader on any platform. But that doesn't make your assertion that
    there can't be FOSS for Winblows true.

    Where are your favorite FOSS Windows only apps? If you can't provide
    one, you are just lying proving I'm right.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 13:17:24 2024
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :

    User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)

    All GUI, all the time.

    It's an S-lang app, Kind Sir. That is, it uses a text-based interface library similar to ncurses.

    Good one, Creepy1

    Swing and a miss, Sloppy1.

    No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not a
    command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI exist for
    using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So TUI is good for that.

    ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace
    Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
    Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.

    You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
    few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

    You'll spend days learning all those ReNamer options. "PascalScript" LOL

    No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
    more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

    Thank you for your support.

    --
    Knucklehead: "Knock, knock"
    Pee Wee: "Who's there?"
    Knucklehead: "Little ol' lady."
    Pee Wee: "Liddle ol' lady who?"
    Knucklehead: "I didn't know you could yodel"

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to DFS on Sat Feb 10 18:48:49 2024
    On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 07:10:40 -0500, DFS wrote:

    He was. As I recall, he started the gnome project, the Mono project and
    the gnumeric spreadsheet. At one point he left Linux and embraced Macs,
    and even went to work for Microsoft (virtually every FOSS "advocate"
    under the sun will sell out directly to Microsoft for the right amount
    of money).

    He left Microsoft last year. Several of the other early players wound up
    at Red Hat. Programmers have to eat, too.

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sat Feb 10 13:23:15 2024
    rbowman wrote:

    [De Icaza] left Microsoft last year.

    Too bad his "mono" Trojan Horse failed, eh? /s

    "Hadron" is still crying about that, I think.

    --
    "Mono is a wonderful attempt to bring applications developed for
    Windows to the Linux desktop" - "True Linux advocate" Hadron Quark

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to Chris Ahlstrom on Sat Feb 10 13:59:40 2024
    Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    some dumb fsck wrote:

    You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
    few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

    No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
    more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

    Thank you for your support.

    DumFSck attacking out of ignorance, again? Say it isn't so!

    --
    "You worship a language that still has no String data type
    (null-terminated array of chars... heh!). That didn't have booleans
    until 25 years after it was introduced?" - VB "programmer" DumFSck, ignorantly attacking C

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  • From chrisv@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 13:54:45 2024
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    (snipped, unread)

    Idiot.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 21:04:07 2024
    Le 10-02-2024, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
    Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    (snipped, unread)

    Idiot.

    Yes I know.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 10 23:03:16 2024
    Le 10-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
    Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

    That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.

    Where are your favorite FOSS Windows only apps? If you can't provide
    one, you are just lying proving I'm right.

    That's your delusion.

    You tell me some of your favorite applications are FOSS running only on
    Windows and you can't provide one. So when am I deluded? When I tried to
    let you back your claim? If you believe so, I knew from the start you
    wouldn't be able to back your claim.

    But, I'm surprised to see you can refuse the obvious like that. It's
    very impressive.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to sc@fiat-linux.fr on Sat Feb 10 23:51:39 2024
    On 10 Feb 2024 15:17:44 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
    in <65c79398$0$11899$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:

    Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :

    User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)

    All GUI, all the time.

    Good one, Creepy1

    No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not a
    command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI exist for
    using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So TUI is good for that.

    Correct.

    I'm not sure why DFS continues to "fight" a "loser's fight".



    ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace
    Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
    Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.

    You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
    few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

    No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
    more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

    There's also mmv(1).

    Also, what if you need to convert (say) a bunch of .bmp
    files to .png files? I don't think any renaming apps will
    let you insert a transform of some sort...but it can be
    done with make(1) or maybe find -exec.

    --
    -v

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to pursent100@gmail.com on Sun Feb 11 01:20:46 2024
    On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:39:09 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in <q_ucnZh8nJGwilX4nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    vallor wrote:
    On 10 Feb 2024 15:17:44 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
    wrote in <65c79398$0$11899$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:

    Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :

    User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)

    All GUI, all the time.

    Good one, Creepy1

    No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not a
    command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI exist
    for using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So TUI is
    good for that.

    Correct.

    I'm not sure why DFS continues to "fight" a "loser's fight".



    ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove
    Replace Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding
    CleanUp Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.

    You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in
    a few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

    No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
    more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

    There's also mmv(1).

    Also, what if you need to convert (say) a bunch of .bmp files to .png
    files? I don't think any renaming apps will let you insert a transform
    of some sort...but it can be done with make(1) or maybe find -exec.

    why didn't you just buy a computer that did what you want

    Who sez it doesn't?

    $ uname -a
    Linux lm 6.7.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Feb 6 17:58:05 PST 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    Looks like it's doing exactly what I want it to do.

    --
    -v

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to pursent100@gmail.com on Sun Feb 11 02:12:42 2024
    On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:44:54 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in <nwKdne7w_dgLu1X4nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    vallor wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:39:09 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
    <q_ucnZh8nJGwilX4nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    vallor wrote:
    On 10 Feb 2024 15:17:44 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr>
    wrote in <65c79398$0$11899$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:

    Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :

    User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)

    All GUI, all the time.

    Good one, Creepy1

    No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not a >>>>> command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI exist
    for using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So TUI is
    good for that.

    Correct.

    I'm not sure why DFS continues to "fight" a "loser's fight".



    ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove
    Replace Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding >>>>>> CleanUp Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.

    You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do
    in a few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

    No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing >>>>> more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

    There's also mmv(1).

    Also, what if you need to convert (say) a bunch of .bmp files to .png
    files? I don't think any renaming apps will let you insert a
    transform of some sort...but it can be done with make(1) or maybe
    find -exec.

    why didn't you just buy a computer that did what you want

    Who sez it doesn't?

    $ uname -a Linux lm 6.7.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Feb 6 17:58:05
    PST 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    Looks like it's doing exactly what I want it to do.

    but that's not how you bought it , captain nasa

    When I bought this behemoth, there was no Linux 6.7.4. It did
    come with Linux installed, though -- MS Windows has never been
    installed on this machine.

    --
    -v

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to chrisv on Sun Feb 11 03:06:34 2024
    On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:23:15 -0600, chrisv wrote:

    Too bad his "mono" Trojan Horse failed, eh? /s

    "Hadron" is still crying about that, I think.

    https://changelog.com/podcast/275

    It's a podcast from 2017 and there is a transcript. He says some
    interesting things about open source, Microsoft, and other topics.

    Mono was a start. When I set up the new Fedora box I wrote a short Python program to query the iTunes database and return results for either an
    artist or a track title to exercise the Python installation.

    Then, using the DotNet SDK I redid it in C# to test that out. The
    structure is very similar and it also worked. I could zip up the project,
    copy it to Windows, run 'dotnet build' and I would have a Windows version.
    Or, with flags to dotnet I could build a Windows version on Linux or vice versa.

    itunes.py also runs on Windows of course.

    The only drawback so far with .NET on Linux are the WinForm GUIs Mono
    tried to provide. Both WinForms and WPF are wrappers on the Windows API so porting is a problem. They tried Gtk and Wine but neither were
    satisfactory.

    .NET MAUI is the continuation of Xamarin but so far it only targets iOS,
    macOS, Android, and Windows which is disappointing.

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to pursent100@gmail.com on Sun Feb 11 03:42:21 2024
    On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 19:24:38 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in <TfacnfEbFOt6slX4nZ2dnZfqn_SdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    vallor wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 18:44:54 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
    <nwKdne7w_dgLu1X4nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    vallor wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 17:39:09 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
    <q_ucnZh8nJGwilX4nZ2dnZfqnPadnZ2d@giganews.com>:

    vallor wrote:
    On 10 Feb 2024 15:17:44 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> >>>>>> wrote in <65c79398$0$11899$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:

    Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :

    User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)

    All GUI, all the time.

    Good one, Creepy1

    No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not >>>>>>> a command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI
    exist for using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So >>>>>>> TUI is good for that.

    Correct.

    I'm not sure why DFS continues to "fight" a "loser's fight".



    ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove >>>>>>>> Replace Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize
    Padding CleanUp Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.

    You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do >>>>>>>> in a few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

    No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have
    nothing more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI. >>>>>>
    There's also mmv(1).

    Also, what if you need to convert (say) a bunch of .bmp files to
    .png files? I don't think any renaming apps will let you insert a >>>>>> transform of some sort...but it can be done with make(1) or maybe
    find -exec.

    why didn't you just buy a computer that did what you want

    Who sez it doesn't?

    $ uname -a Linux lm 6.7.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Feb 6 17:58:05
    PST 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    Looks like it's doing exactly what I want it to do.

    but that's not how you bought it , captain nasa

    When I bought this behemoth, there was no Linux 6.7.4. It did come
    with Linux installed, though -- MS Windows has never been installed on
    this machine.

    which does what for usenet

    It allows me to post about how to change Seamonkey's
    colors in alt.slack!

    --
    -v

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to vallor on Sun Feb 11 06:26:00 2024
    On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 01:20:46 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:


    $ uname -a Linux lm 6.7.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Feb 6 17:58:05 PST
    2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    Damn Ubuntu is lagging:

    Linux kropotkin 6.5.0-14-generic

    I haven't rebooted yet but the Fedora box just got 6.7.4

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Feb 11 06:53:20 2024
    On 11 Feb 2024 06:26:00 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote in <l2r7joF1buhU4@mid.individual.net>:

    On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 01:20:46 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:


    $ uname -a Linux lm 6.7.4 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Tue Feb 6 17:58:05
    PST 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

    Damn Ubuntu is lagging:

    Linux kropotkin 6.5.0-14-generic

    I haven't rebooted yet but the Fedora box just got 6.7.4

    To be honest, I haven't noticed much difference between
    Linux 5 and 6. I do like the low-latency kernel that I
    built with my own two mitts, and was very happy that
    the System76 drivers worked after being built via dkms.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 11 09:32:18 2024
    I can't see your message, so I'm answering there.

    vallor wrote:

    Also, what if you need to convert (say) a bunch of .bmp
    files to .png files? I don't think any renaming apps will
    let you insert a transform of some sort...but it can be
    done with make(1) or maybe find -exec.

    You have ImageMagick for that. It's great. The need to convert is not
    the need to rename. So the tools are not the same.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From Chris Ahlstrom@21:1/5 to vallor on Sun Feb 11 07:13:51 2024
    vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

    On 10 Feb 2024 15:17:44 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
    in <65c79398$0$11899$426a74cc@news.free.fr>:

    Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :

    User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)

    All GUI, all the time.

    Good one, Creepy1

    No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not a
    command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI exist for
    using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So TUI is good for
    that.

    Correct.

    I'm not sure why DFS continues to "fight" a "loser's fight".

    ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace
    Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
    Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.

    You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
    few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

    No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
    more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

    There's also mmv(1).

    Also, what if you need to convert (say) a bunch of .bmp
    files to .png files? I don't think any renaming apps will
    let you insert a transform of some sort...but it can be
    done with make(1) or maybe find -exec.

    The Perl rename program supports regex transformations. That's just the filename, though.

    You can probably use shell globbing and ImageMagick (the "convert" command)
    to convert a bunch of files at once.

    Or write a simple script using "for FILE in $* ; do ...".

    When I need to send in a scanned document (e.g. something I had to print out and sign), I scan it (using skanlite on a Canoscan LIDE) into a JPEG and then convert it to a PDF with ImageMagick:

    $ convert scan.jpeg scan.pdf

    Easy peasy.

    --
    "Elves and Dragons!" I says to him. "Cabbages and potatoes are better
    for you and me."
    -- J. R. R. Tolkien

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  • From vallor@21:1/5 to sc@fiat-linux.fr on Sun Feb 11 16:18:13 2024
    On 11 Feb 2024 09:32:18 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
    in <65c89422$0$2576$426a34cc@news.free.fr>:

    I can't see your message, so I'm answering there.

    vallor wrote:

    Also, what if you need to convert (say) a bunch of .bmp files to .png
    files? I don't think any renaming apps will let you insert a
    transform of some sort...but it can be done with make(1) or maybe find
    -exec.

    You have ImageMagick for that. It's great. The need to convert is not
    the need to rename. So the tools are not the same.

    Yes, and in ImageMagick, you're needing to write:

    for II in *.bmp ; do convert $II `basename $II .bmp`.png; done

    ...but what if you've already converted some files?

    I actually wrote a perl program, "picture_queue_converter.pl",
    which only updates files if there is no corresponding
    .png file, while continuously monitoring the .bmp directory. Could
    do most of that in a shell script, but running make(1) in a while loop
    could do the trick, too.

    But you're right: that's not renaming files.

    --
    -v

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?St=C3=A9phane?= CARPENTIE@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 11 21:41:00 2024
    Le 11-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
    Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

    That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS. >>>>>>
    Where are your favorite FOSS Windows only apps? If you can't provide >>>>one, you are just lying proving I'm right.

    That's your delusion.

    You tell me some of your favorite applications are FOSS running only on >>Windows and you can't provide one. So when am I deluded? When I tried to >>let you back your claim? If you believe so, I knew from the start you >>wouldn't be able to back your claim.

    But, I'm surprised to see you can refuse the obvious like that. It's
    very impressive.


    https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/free-pdf-reader

    OK, that's a start. It's not as well used as notepad++ and I had never
    heard of it. At the same time I understand why it's running only on
    Windows because if I don't understand why, it looks like it relied a lot
    on Windows features. But I also understand why nobody tried to port it
    on Linux because I see nothing of interest with it: I see nothing other
    tools running natively on Linux don't do. That's probably why I never
    heard of it.

    But let say it can be considered a valid argument.

    --
    Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
    https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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  • From Farley Flud@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 11 22:31:57 2024
    On 11 Feb 2024 21:41:00 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:


    https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/free-pdf-reader

    OK, that's a start. It's not as well used as notepad++ and I had never
    heard of it. At the same time I understand why it's running only on
    Windows because if I don't understand why, it looks like it relied a lot
    on Windows features. But I also understand why nobody tried to port it
    on Linux because I see nothing of interest with it


    Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

    Sumatra depends entirely on the FOSS MuPDF. It's another fucking
    rip off.

    https://mupdf.com/

    MuPDF is developed by Artifex, the same organization that produces
    ghostscript, which is the de facto PostScript/PDF processor for
    GNU/Linux.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Feb 12 10:12:24 2024
    On 2/9/24 18:34, rbowman wrote:
    On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,

    Sure it can, but it's rare.

    The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
    editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

    OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
    care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
    times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
    Windows only tool.

    It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.

    Yeah, but at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the
    default ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcwin32/

    Midnight Commander started as Miguel de Icaza's clone of the Windows
    'Norton Commander' and now it's made it full circle. In the late '90s I
    had backported it as an exercise in using what was then mingw32. That in itself was a spinoff of the Cygwin project. Corinna Vinschen of Cygwin was interested in a Linuxy environment on Windows where mingw32 aimed at being able to use gcc to create Windows programs, particularly when Mumit Khan
    took over the project. I did a little work creating clean DirectX headers.

    Not sure where all those people are now. De Icaza was the real rising
    star.

    One of my favorite applications to pull out when copying a bunch of
    files. ytree is another fun "retro" tui file manager I like too.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to vallor on Mon Feb 12 10:17:25 2024
    On 2/11/24 10:18, vallor wrote:
    On 11 Feb 2024 09:32:18 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote
    in <65c89422$0$2576$426a34cc@news.free.fr>:

    I can't see your message, so I'm answering there.

    vallor wrote:

    Also, what if you need to convert (say) a bunch of .bmp files to .png
    files? I don't think any renaming apps will let you insert a
    transform of some sort...but it can be done with make(1) or maybe find >>>> -exec.

    You have ImageMagick for that. It's great. The need to convert is not
    the need to rename. So the tools are not the same.

    Yes, and in ImageMagick, you're needing to write:

    for II in *.bmp ; do convert $II `basename $II .bmp`.png; done

    ...but what if you've already converted some files?

    I actually wrote a perl program, "picture_queue_converter.pl",
    which only updates files if there is no corresponding
    .png file, while continuously monitoring the .bmp directory. Could
    do most of that in a shell script, but running make(1) in a while loop
    could do the trick, too.

    But you're right: that's not renaming files.

    I believe there's a mogrify option that modifies everything of a certain
    type and renames the extension. I don't remember it off the top of my
    head tho.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to Joel on Mon Feb 12 11:11:15 2024
    On 2/12/24 10:33, Joel wrote:
    candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:

    at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the
    default ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.


    I have not had a reason to use anything but xed, although Kate is
    useful for searching long chat log files.

    I use pycharm and codeblocks for python and c/c++ respectively.
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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to RonB on Mon Feb 12 15:46:02 2024
    On 2/12/24 11:44, RonB wrote:
    On 2024-02-12, candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
    On 2/9/24 18:34, rbowman wrote:
    On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
    On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

    Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,

    Sure it can, but it's rare.

    The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text >>>>> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

    OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't >>>> care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
    times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
    Windows only tool.

    It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.

    Yeah, but at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the
    default ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.

    Jstar (JOE) has syntax highlighting as well.

    Sweet. I'll have to check it out some time.
    [snip]
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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 13 02:20:19 2024
    On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:11:15 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:

    On 2/12/24 10:33, Joel wrote:
    candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:

    at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the default
    ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.


    I have not had a reason to use anything but xed, although Kate is
    useful for searching long chat log files.

    I use pycharm and codeblocks for python and c/c++ respectively.

    Shoot me but I've mostly been using VSCode for Python. The PyLance and PythonDebugger extensions work well. If not that I use gVim. PyCharm and
    Spyder are okay but code is a little more versatile. I haven't done much
    with it yet but the PlatformIO extension is supposed to play well with
    Arduino and other similar boards. It does C# very well but really eats up memory for some reason. I think MS sneaks a bit of AI in for that.

    Yes, Virginia, that's on Linux. And Windows of course.

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Feb 13 14:01:11 2024
    On 2/12/24 20:20, rbowman wrote:
    On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:11:15 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:

    On 2/12/24 10:33, Joel wrote:
    candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:

    at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the default
    ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.


    I have not had a reason to use anything but xed, although Kate is
    useful for searching long chat log files.

    I use pycharm and codeblocks for python and c/c++ respectively.

    Shoot me but I've mostly been using VSCode for Python. The PyLance and PythonDebugger extensions work well. If not that I use gVim. PyCharm and Spyder are okay but code is a little more versatile. I haven't done much
    with it yet but the PlatformIO extension is supposed to play well with Arduino and other similar boards. It does C# very well but really eats up memory for some reason. I think MS sneaks a bit of AI in for that.

    Yes, Virginia, that's on Linux. And Windows of course.

    *le gasp* NO!

    I don't really care that much, I think I used VSC when I started. It
    definitely has some polish..
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  • From DFS@21:1/5 to Joel on Tue Feb 20 08:17:13 2024
    On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:


    So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
    and "I will probably never run Linux again"?


    I was kidding myself, I think.


    Were you kidding yourself when you said:

    "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to DFS on Tue Feb 20 10:18:29 2024
    On 2024-02-20 8:17 a.m., DFS wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:


    So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
    and "I will probably never run Linux again"?


    I was kidding myself, I think.


    Were you kidding yourself when you said:

    "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?

    The only things that make Windows 11 more enjoyable for me are access to
    my movie collection in Microsoft Films & TV (I have more movies there
    than I realized) and not having to fiddle around to get my games to work
    in Steam, GOG, Epic or the other services. If you have no need for such
    media, Linux is a lot more responsive and more secure.

    However, I will admit that I am happy my fingerprint sensor is working
    again and I hope that I am correct that it was a serious problem with
    the latest driver being offered by Microsoft. As insecure as logging in
    with your fingerprint is, I appreciate not having to put in my
    needlessly long pin. Putting in fifteen characters without a numpad on
    my laptop gets annoying.

    --
    RabidPedagog

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to RonB on Tue Feb 20 16:37:16 2024
    On 2024-02-20 11:24 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-02-20, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    On 2024-02-20 8:17 a.m., DFS wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:


    So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x, >>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?


    I was kidding myself, I think.


    Were you kidding yourself when you said:

    "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?

    The only things that make Windows 11 more enjoyable for me are access to
    my movie collection in Microsoft Films & TV (I have more movies there
    than I realized) and not having to fiddle around to get my games to work
    in Steam, GOG, Epic or the other services. If you have no need for such
    media, Linux is a lot more responsive and more secure.

    However, I will admit that I am happy my fingerprint sensor is working
    again and I hope that I am correct that it was a serious problem with
    the latest driver being offered by Microsoft. As insecure as logging in
    with your fingerprint is, I appreciate not having to put in my
    needlessly long pin. Putting in fifteen characters without a numpad on
    my laptop gets annoying.

    I disable fingerprint sensors on my smartphones (and don't use them on the laptops that have them), so no fingerprint sensor support would be a plus
    for me.

    It's clearly not the most secure way of logging in but the ease it
    provides in logging in or doing anything which requires administrative
    rights is excellent. In using Windows, I don't believe I have any kind
    of security anyway.

    --
    RabidPedagog
    Catholic paleoconservative

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to RonB on Tue Feb 20 20:19:01 2024
    On 2024-02-20 6:32 p.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-02-20, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    On 2024-02-20 11:24 a.m., RonB wrote:
    On 2024-02-20, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
    On 2024-02-20 8:17 a.m., DFS wrote:
    On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:


    So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x, >>>>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?


    I was kidding myself, I think.


    Were you kidding yourself when you said:

    "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?

    The only things that make Windows 11 more enjoyable for me are access to >>>> my movie collection in Microsoft Films & TV (I have more movies there
    than I realized) and not having to fiddle around to get my games to work >>>> in Steam, GOG, Epic or the other services. If you have no need for such >>>> media, Linux is a lot more responsive and more secure.

    However, I will admit that I am happy my fingerprint sensor is working >>>> again and I hope that I am correct that it was a serious problem with
    the latest driver being offered by Microsoft. As insecure as logging in >>>> with your fingerprint is, I appreciate not having to put in my
    needlessly long pin. Putting in fifteen characters without a numpad on >>>> my laptop gets annoying.

    I disable fingerprint sensors on my smartphones (and don't use them on the >>> laptops that have them), so no fingerprint sensor support would be a plus >>> for me.

    It's clearly not the most secure way of logging in but the ease it
    provides in logging in or doing anything which requires administrative
    rights is excellent. In using Windows, I don't believe I have any kind
    of security anyway.

    I don't want my fingerprint on the Internet where anyone can grab it and misuse it. It takes me just a second to type in my password.

    That is indeed true.

    --
    RabidPedagog
    Catholic paleoconservative

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  • From RabidPedagog@21:1/5 to Incubus on Thu Feb 22 09:00:23 2024
    On 2024-02-21 6:20 p.m., Incubus wrote:
    Joel wrote:
    DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

    So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x, >>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?

    I was kidding myself, I think.

    Were you kidding yourself when you said:

    "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?


    I think I wasn't perceiving the long term value of it.  Once I started
    to really see the trajectory of what I'd be using over the lifetime of
    the computer, it became clear Linux was the way to get the most out of
    it.  But I'm not dissing the experience of Windows.

    I never thought that I would say this but Windows 11 is rock solid.  I
    have been using it for hundreds of hours on my gaming handhelds and
    having had to get a cheap Windows laptop to use my 35mm film scanner, I
    was surprised to find that it's a decent desktop OS.  It seems as though
    MS has taken inspiration from other OSes in terms of its design.  Once I removed everything annoying, it stays out of my way.

    It has a tendency to break though. I only reinstalled the operating
    system a week ago and already, I had to repair with SFC twice. Once
    right after the updates were installed and yesterday because it felt
    like something was off. How those system files keep getting corrupted is
    a mystery to me but I blame the NTFS filesystem.

    Most of the arguments against MS are no longer in place.  Stability is
    what it should be, it's efficient (and modern SSDs make old hardware
    usable with any modern OS) and MS no longer has such toxic tactics now
    that their founder and the psychopath who replaced him are gone.

    They still very strongly insist that you use Edge and if you do but
    decide to use a different search engine, it will periodically give you a installation screen to trick you into restoring the default settings.
    This is toxic behaviour. The only way to avoid it is to ignore Edge
    entirely.

    There's no doubt that Linux is a better OS for software development, though.  My work laptop will continue to be Linux.

    Linux still offers you the freedom to do whatever you want with the
    machine that you own. Windows, like today's Western governments, only
    offer you the illusion of freedom. Little by little, the amount of
    things Microsoft wants Windows to control for you increases and we
    already know how they feel about you "owning" your machine with their activation process.

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    RabidPedagog

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to RabidPedagog on Sun Feb 25 20:31:58 2024
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:00:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:

    Linux still offers you the freedom to do whatever you want with the
    machine that you own. Windows, like today's Western governments, only
    offer you the illusion of freedom. Little by little, the amount of
    things Microsoft wants Windows to control for you increases and we
    already know how they feel about you "owning" your machine with their activation process.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/what-i-do-to-clean-up-a-clean- install-of-windows-11-23h2-and-edge/

    "Tips and tricks for making Microsoft leave you alone while you use your
    PC."

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  • From candycanearter07@21:1/5 to rbowman on Mon Feb 26 01:45:02 2024
    On 2024-02-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:00:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:

    Linux still offers you the freedom to do whatever you want with the
    machine that you own. Windows, like today's Western governments, only
    offer you the illusion of freedom. Little by little, the amount of
    things Microsoft wants Windows to control for you increases and we
    already know how they feel about you "owning" your machine with their
    activation process.

    https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/what-i-do-to-clean-up-a-clean- install-of-windows-11-23h2-and-edge/

    "Tips and tricks for making Microsoft leave you alone while you use your
    PC."

    Also like Windows 10 N and the app store and such.
    --
    user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

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