Many years ago I borrowed a crap box from work and installed FreeBSD on it just for fun. It was interesting, but I had to return it for DRMO.

Recently I got a bug report from someone trying to build my MIDI project in FreeBSD, and getting errors from the clang compiler(s) (C and C++). So the first thing I did was figure out how to build with clang on the old Linux laptop and the newer one, and got rid of the errors and most of the warnings.

But it was pretty obvious I needed to use FreeBSD. I started with a VM running in Qemu. That. Was. Painful. And. Slowwwww. Some weird issues involving Qt's port to FreeBSD 14 also surfaced.

I grabbed a spare SSD and put it in a cheapo USB 3 box and installed FreeBSD 13. Much faster! I basically replicated my Linux setup so I could work comfortably and enjoy SomaFM while doing it. Set up mutt and slrn, too :-D

Started with using automake/configure to build, but (only) the QT_CXXFLAGS and QT_LIBS macros come up empty, haven't figured out why. Also the ALSA headers, though installed, weren't detected. Luckily, I had built an alternate qmake-based setup awhile back, and that worked.

The main sound engine for BSD is OSS; an ALSA audio wrapper and ALSA sequencer server are provided. However, the USB MIDI devices don't show up in it. Damn. Would like to figure that out at some point.

The JACK code for FreeBSD works well; I was able to install jack-keyboard and qsynth and get tunes to play. However, a2jmidid does not work to export the USB devices (Launchpad Mini, Korg nanoKEY2).

So I got work to do yet.

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get used to it.

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On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 14:54:46 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Many years ago I borrowed a crap box from work and installed FreeBSD on it just
for fun.

I am always thinking of installing FreeBSDBSD but have not yet gotten around
to do it.

FreeBSD may be mandatory once the corporate interests reduce Linux to a
useless Windoze clone.

The main sound engine for BSD is OSS;

OSS is also available for GNU/Linux and it is very good except for
sound card coverage, but it does handle the Intel HD quite well.

However, I could not compile the latest v4.2-build2020. It does
not work with the latest kernels and needs patching but the
developers are silent.

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On 2024-01-12, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

Many years ago I borrowed a crap box from work and installed FreeBSD on it just
for fun. It was interesting, but I had to return it for DRMO.

. . .

That's kind of a funny coincidence. I replaced an Optiplex 3020m motherboard with an Optiplex 9020m motherboard (which has an extra M.2 SSD slot the
3020m only has a standard 2.5" Sata port). So I picked up a cheap 256gb M.2 Sata SSD used on eBay and tried to figure out what I wanted to put on it.
Not Windows. I never use it, so it be more wasted of space. So I installed GhostBSD. I picked it because it was basically the "Linux Mint" of FreeBSDs (or at least I thought it was).

It was actually really simple to install, and was fast once installed. I installed Emacs, and Fountain-Mode, did some of my regular customizations
(it comes default with the Mate desktop, so I knew it pretty well). But I couldn't install some stuff I consider necessary. Simplenote, Trelby and a few others. There was supposed to be a way to make it work with Linux applications, but it looked like work and I'm at the age where I just want
to use the computer. One thing that irritated me is that it would not see when a headphone was plugged into the headphone jack. (Which on the 9020m is the only sound jack, though it has an interior speaker.) So I would have to go to Sound and tell it to output to the headphones every time (just once at each boot).

I finally just decided to install the newest available version of Linux Mint (21.2). That way I could start moving my files over from Linux Mint 20.3 a bit at a time. So I dual boot two versions of Linux Mint on that computer. (Actually the computer tri-boots as I have a small Windows 10 partition on the SSD drive, which is there because the computer came with it.)

For my desktop purposes there's really no reason to use FreeBSD (or GhostBSD). There are many more applications easily available in Linux and installation is extremely easy.

It's kind of funny to read the FreeBSD guys complain about Linux in a manner similar to Linux guys complaining about Windows. :-D

Saw one thread where they were lauding OSS and dissing ALSA.

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-- Shakespeare

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On 1/13/24 08:43, RonB wrote:

On 2024-01-13, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

On 2024-01-12, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

Many years ago I borrowed a crap box from work and installed FreeBSD on it just
for fun. It was interesting, but I had to return it for DRMO.

. . .

That's kind of a funny coincidence. I replaced an Optiplex 3020m motherboard
with an Optiplex 9020m motherboard (which has an extra M.2 SSD slot the
3020m only has a standard 2.5" Sata port). So I picked up a cheap 256gb M.2 >>> Sata SSD used on eBay and tried to figure out what I wanted to put on it. >>> Not Windows. I never use it, so it be more wasted of space. So I installed >>> GhostBSD. I picked it because it was basically the "Linux Mint" of FreeBSDs >>> (or at least I thought it was).

It was actually really simple to install, and was fast once installed. I >>> installed Emacs, and Fountain-Mode, did some of my regular customizations >>> (it comes default with the Mate desktop, so I knew it pretty well). But I >>> couldn't install some stuff I consider necessary. Simplenote, Trelby and a >>> few others. There was supposed to be a way to make it work with Linux
applications, but it looked like work and I'm at the age where I just want >>> to use the computer. One thing that irritated me is that it would not see >>> when a headphone was plugged into the headphone jack. (Which on the 9020m is
the only sound jack, though it has an interior speaker.) So I would have to >>> go to Sound and tell it to output to the headphones every time (just once at
each boot).

I finally just decided to install the newest available version of Linux Mint
(21.2). That way I could start moving my files over from Linux Mint 20.3 a >>> bit at a time. So I dual boot two versions of Linux Mint on that computer. >>> (Actually the computer tri-boots as I have a small Windows 10 partition on >>> the SSD drive, which is there because the computer came with it.)

For my desktop purposes there's really no reason to use FreeBSD (or
GhostBSD). There are many more applications easily available in Linux and >>> installation is extremely easy.

It's kind of funny to read the FreeBSD guys complain about Linux in a manner >> similar to Linux guys complaining about Windows. :-D

Saw one thread where they were lauding OSS and dissing ALSA.

I think I could make FreeBSD work for me if I had to, but Linux Mint is just easier and it runs some applications that either aren't available on FreeBSD or I would have to know something about compiling source code to get them to work. If I was 15 years younger I would probably enjoy the challenge. Linux Mint has made me lazy.

I've read up on this over the last few years and can honestly say that
there is no advantage whatsoever migrating over to any of the BSDs over
Linux.

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On 1/13/24 08:43, RonB wrote:

On 2024-01-13, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

On 2024-01-12, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

Many years ago I borrowed a crap box from work and installed FreeBSD on it just
for fun. It was interesting, but I had to return it for DRMO.

. . .

That's kind of a funny coincidence. I replaced an Optiplex 3020m motherboard
with an Optiplex 9020m motherboard (which has an extra M.2 SSD slot the >>>> 3020m only has a standard 2.5" Sata port). So I picked up a cheap 256gb M.2
Sata SSD used on eBay and tried to figure out what I wanted to put on it. >>>> Not Windows. I never use it, so it be more wasted of space. So I installed >>>> GhostBSD. I picked it because it was basically the "Linux Mint" of FreeBSDs
(or at least I thought it was).

It was actually really simple to install, and was fast once installed. I >>>> installed Emacs, and Fountain-Mode, did some of my regular customizations >>>> (it comes default with the Mate desktop, so I knew it pretty well). But I >>>> couldn't install some stuff I consider necessary. Simplenote, Trelby and a >>>> few others. There was supposed to be a way to make it work with Linux
applications, but it looked like work and I'm at the age where I just want >>>> to use the computer. One thing that irritated me is that it would not see >>>> when a headphone was plugged into the headphone jack. (Which on the 9020m is
the only sound jack, though it has an interior speaker.) So I would have to
go to Sound and tell it to output to the headphones every time (just once at
each boot).

I finally just decided to install the newest available version of Linux Mint
(21.2). That way I could start moving my files over from Linux Mint 20.3 a >>>> bit at a time. So I dual boot two versions of Linux Mint on that computer. >>>> (Actually the computer tri-boots as I have a small Windows 10 partition on >>>> the SSD drive, which is there because the computer came with it.)

For my desktop purposes there's really no reason to use FreeBSD (or
GhostBSD). There are many more applications easily available in Linux and >>>> installation is extremely easy.

It's kind of funny to read the FreeBSD guys complain about Linux in a manner
similar to Linux guys complaining about Windows. :-D

Saw one thread where they were lauding OSS and dissing ALSA.

I think I could make FreeBSD work for me if I had to, but Linux Mint is just >> easier and it runs some applications that either aren't available on FreeBSD >> or I would have to know something about compiling source code to get them to >> work. If I was 15 years younger I would probably enjoy the challenge. Linux >> Mint has made me lazy.

I've read up on this over the last few years and can honestly say that
there is no advantage whatsoever migrating over to any of the BSDs over Linux.

There might be a use on the server side. On the client side, well, if your "customer" uses a BSD, might wanna support that.

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On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 20:31:10 +0000, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote in <17a9b3a89f75355a$6723$2154774$802601b3@news.usenetexpress.com>:

On Fri, 12 Jan 2024 14:54:46 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Many years ago I borrowed a crap box from work and installed FreeBSD on
it just for fun.

I am always thinking of installing FreeBSDBSD but have not yet gotten
around to do it.

FreeBSD may be mandatory once the corporate interests reduce Linux to a useless Windoze clone.

The main sound engine for BSD is OSS;

OSS is also available for GNU/Linux and it is very good except for sound
card coverage, but it does handle the Intel HD quite well.

However, I could not compile the latest v4.2-build2020. It does not
work with the latest kernels and needs patching but the developers are silent.

...and "silent", no doubt, because they don't have working
OSS drivers.

("I don't care who you are, that thar's funny...")

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 13:43:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

Linux Mint has made me lazy.

There’s one measure of success, if ever there was one.

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 09:14:50 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:

there is no advantage whatsoever migrating over to any of the BSDs over Linux.

Greater diversity on Linux, greater fragmentation on BSD.

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Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

RonB wrote:

Linux Mint has made me lazy.

There’s one measure of success, if ever there was one.

Was that sarcasm? From some perspectives, that is a measure of
success. We currently have at least one person in cola asserting that
normal people want their PC to be appliance-like.

--
"Then you say GNU/Linux is an OS, but ceases to be once
distributed..." - some thing, lying shamelessly (but no one can
quote it lying)

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On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 09:14:50 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:

there is no advantage whatsoever migrating over to any of the BSDs over
Linux.

Greater diversity on Linux, greater fragmentation on BSD.

Not so sure about that.

One thing I will note. When I install packages from FreeBSD Ports, I often see something to this effect: "this package currently has no maintainer and
might go away... any volunteers?".

So I suspect the developer base for FreeBSD is quite a bit smaller than that of Linux.

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-- William Shakespeare, "The Taming of the Shrew"

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 08:27:30 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

On 2024-01-16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 13:43:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

Linux Mint has made me lazy.

There’s one measure of success, if ever there was one.

It means I like to do things on my computer, not just perpetually
maintain it.

I truly don't miss having to hunt down xorg.conf to change my mouse to
left handed or guess at the monitor parameters. The thrill wore off
building everything from tarballs a long time ago. Hacking out my own
kernel and configuring grub to use it sort of lost its magic. Yeah, I've
gotten lazy in my old age too.

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On 2024-01-16 1:21 p.m., rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 08:27:30 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

On 2024-01-16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 13:43:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

Linux Mint has made me lazy.

There’s one measure of success, if ever there was one.

It means I like to do things on my computer, not just perpetually
maintain it.

I truly don't miss having to hunt down xorg.conf to change my mouse to
left handed or guess at the monitor parameters. The thrill wore off
building everything from tarballs a long time ago. Hacking out my own
kernel and configuring grub to use it sort of lost its magic. Yeah, I've gotten lazy in my old age too.

That was unbearable. At least you didn't have to do it again after it
was already done.


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Catholic paleoconservative

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On 2024-01-16 1:21 p.m., rbowman wrote:

On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 08:27:30 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

On 2024-01-16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 13:43:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

Linux Mint has made me lazy.

There’s one measure of success, if ever there was one.

It means I like to do things on my computer, not just perpetually
maintain it.

I truly don't miss having to hunt down xorg.conf to change my mouse to
left handed or guess at the monitor parameters. The thrill wore off
building everything from tarballs a long time ago. Hacking out my own
kernel and configuring grub to use it sort of lost its magic. Yeah, I've gotten lazy in my old age too.

We all have, that's why Linux Mint is quite stellar in bringing a
usually complex system into convenience.

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Catholic paleoconservative

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 08:27:30 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

On 2024-01-16, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 13:43:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

Linux Mint has made me lazy.

There’s one measure of success, if ever there was one.

It means I like to do things on my computer, not just perpetually
maintain it.

I truly don't miss having to hunt down xorg.conf to change my mouse to
left handed or guess at the monitor parameters. The thrill wore off
building everything from tarballs a long time ago. Hacking out my own
kernel and configuring grub to use it sort of lost its magic. Yeah, I've gotten lazy in my old age too.

I sometimes have to modify my .xbindkeysrc to account for differences in mpd
(I associate keys to calls to mpc to do things like stop/start playback and go to the next tune in the playlist.) Same for my fluxbox keys file.

I set up keys that work pretty much with any keyboard, no matter how limited. They all vary so much.

It's fairly easy to get most of my keystrokes to work on FreeBSD too. Just tar up the .* files and extract them to the target /home directory.

--
If you learn one useless thing every day, in a single year you'll learn
365 useless things.

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On 1/16/24 07:10, chrisv wrote:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

RonB wrote:

Linux Mint has made me lazy.

There’s one measure of success, if ever there was one.

Was that sarcasm? From some perspectives, that is a measure of
success. We currently have at least one person in cola asserting that
normal people want their PC to be appliance-like.

I agree honestly.
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On 2024-01-17 12:01 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:

On 1/16/24 07:10, chrisv wrote:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

RonB wrote:

Linux Mint has made me lazy.

There’s one measure of success, if ever there was one.

Was that sarcasm?  From some perspectives, that is a measure of
success.  We currently have at least one person in cola asserting that
normal people want their PC to be appliance-like.

I agree honestly.

Unfortunately, and especially because I see how adolescents use their computers, I am tempted to agree. Technical users are going to become
extinct with time.

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Catholic paleoconservative

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On 2024-01-17 12:01 p.m., candycanearter07 wrote:

On 1/16/24 07:10, chrisv wrote:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

RonB wrote:

Linux Mint has made me lazy.

There’s one measure of success, if ever there was one.

Was that sarcasm?  From some perspectives, that is a measure of
success.  We currently have at least one person in cola asserting that
normal people want their PC to be appliance-like.

I agree honestly.

Unfortunately, and especially because I see how adolescents use their computers, I am tempted to agree. Technical users are going to become
extinct with time.

Nah, there will always be a need for technical users.

- Computer designers (hello Taiwan :-D)
- Programmers
- Engineers
- Sys Admins and Help Deskers
- Teachers of the above
- . . .

Plus there will always be people like us who love to dig into computers.

--
Whoever has lived long enough to find out what life is, knows how deep a debt of gratitude we owe to Adam, the first great benefactor of our race. He brought death into the world.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

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So I poweroff and unplug the bootable FreeBSD external drive. Power up.
Enter my login into the sddm prompt. Nothing, just a mouse.

I poke around and find that mounting the Linux home partition in FreeBSD had, due to a mistake in my mounting script, set the ownership of the Linux home to a user with ID 1001, not 1000, since FreeBSD starts the user IDs with 1001 instead of 1000.

A "chown -R" fixed things quick.

Live and learn.

--
Water, taken in moderation cannot hurt anybody.
-- Mark Twain

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Slime wrote:

Technical users are going to become extinct with time.

Nah, there will always be a need for technical users.

- Computer designers (hello Taiwan :-D)
- Programmers
- Engineers
- Sys Admins and Help Deskers
- Teachers of the above
- . . .

Of course. *Someone* needs to know how things work.

--
"This is common in COLA... people see me as more knowledgeable than
they do most others... your actions show YOU do." - some thing,
lying shamelessly (but no one can quote it lying)

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On 1/17/2024 5:52 PM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

So I poweroff and unplug the bootable FreeBSD external drive. Power up.
Enter my login into the sddm prompt. Nothing, just a mouse.

I poke around and find that mounting the Linux home partition in FreeBSD had, due to a mistake in my mounting script, set the ownership of the Linux home to
a user with ID 1001, not 1000, since FreeBSD starts the user IDs with 1001 instead of 1000.

A "chown -R" fixed things quick.

Live and learn.

How exciting. Next you had unflavored oatmeal for breakfast, then
clipped your toenails. Then you scratched your chin and wondered why
you can't grow a neckbeard like your hero rms.

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Slime wrote:

Technical users are going to become extinct with time.

Nah, there will always be a need for technical users.

- Computer designers (hello Taiwan :-D)
- Programmers
- Engineers
- Sys Admins and Help Deskers
- Teachers of the above
- . . .

Of course. *Someone* needs to know how things work.

I'm reminded of a scene in Niven & Pournelle's sf novel, "Mote in God's
Eye". Some people go aboard a Motie ship. One guy is agog at all the strange equipment aboard the ship. Another, an engineer, excitedly points out all the implementation of technology with which he was well familiar.

Something like that.

I remember reading Pournelle's column in Byte magazine. He's dead, but his
site is still around: https://www.jerrypournelle.com/whatis.html

--
If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.
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On 2024-01-17 7:37 p.m., chrisv wrote:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Slime wrote:

Technical users are going to become extinct with time.

Nah, there will always be a need for technical users.

- Computer designers (hello Taiwan :-D)
- Programmers
- Engineers
- Sys Admins and Help Deskers
- Teachers of the above
- . . .

Of course. *Someone* needs to know how things work.

Yep, however I specifically said that technical _users_ would become
extinct with time. I said nothing about technical _producers_ of any kind.

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On 2024-01-17 7:37 p.m., chrisv wrote:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Slime wrote:

Technical users are going to become extinct with time.

Nah, there will always be a need for technical users.

- Computer designers (hello Taiwan :-D)
- Programmers
- Engineers
- Sys Admins and Help Deskers
- Teachers of the above
- . . .

Of course. *Someone* needs to know how things work.

Yep, however I specifically said that technical _users_ would become
extinct with time. I said nothing about technical _producers_ of any kind.

There's a large supply of non-computer technical people who use computers.
I guess I mean "technical" in the sense of being willing and able to figure stuff out.

I do get your point, though. Still, there will always be curious and motivated kids who will look outside the fads and games. It's in our genes to monkey around with things.

--
October.
This is one of the peculiarly dangerous months to speculate in stocks in.
The others are July, January, September, April, November, May, March, June, December, August, and February.

-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

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RabidPedagog wrote:

chrisv wrote:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Slime wrote:

Technical users are going to become extinct with time.

Nah, there will always be a need for technical users.

- Computer designers (hello Taiwan :-D)
- Programmers
- Engineers
- Sys Admins and Help Deskers
- Teachers of the above
- . . .

Of course. *Someone* needs to know how things work.

Yep, however I specifically said that technical _users_ would become
extinct with time. I said nothing about technical _producers_ of any kind.

There's a lot of overlapping and gray areas, and I don't know why
anything would change. There will always be people of widely varying
curiosity and intelligence and knowledge.

--
"That's what you said:" - DumFSck, lying shamelessly, after which he
quoted what I really said. Nice of him, to document his own *lie*.

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On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 15:20:47 -0600, chrisv wrote:

RabidPedagog wrote:

Yep, however I specifically said that technical _users_ would become >>extinct with time. I said nothing about technical _producers_ of any kind.

There's a lot of overlapping and gray areas, and I don't know why
anything would change. There will always be people of widely varying curiosity and intelligence and knowledge.

Why bother responding to that technical loser?

He knows NOTHING about anything even remotely technical. He is
destined to be an ignoramus button-pusher and mouse-clicker until
his dying day.

The GNU/Linux computing world will shovel him and his DuFuS buddy
into the lunatic dregs.

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On 2024-01-18 4:20 p.m., chrisv wrote:

RabidPedagog wrote:

chrisv wrote:

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Slime wrote:

Technical users are going to become extinct with time.

Nah, there will always be a need for technical users.

- Computer designers (hello Taiwan :-D)
- Programmers
- Engineers
- Sys Admins and Help Deskers
- Teachers of the above
- . . .

Of course. *Someone* needs to know how things work.

Yep, however I specifically said that technical _users_ would become
extinct with time. I said nothing about technical _producers_ of any kind.

There's a lot of overlapping and gray areas, and I don't know why
anything would change. There will always be people of widely varying curiosity and intelligence and knowledge.

I would hope so, but I am exposed to the future of intellectual
curiosity daily and things don't look too promising.

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RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

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On 1/18/2024 5:27 PM, Larry Piet wrote:

On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 15:20:47 -0600, chrisv wrote:

RabidPedagog wrote:

Yep, however I specifically said that technical _users_ would become
extinct with time. I said nothing about technical _producers_ of any kind. >>

There's a lot of overlapping and gray areas, and I don't know why
anything would change. There will always be people of widely varying
curiosity and intelligence and knowledge.

Why bother responding to that technical loser?

Rather a "technical loser" than a womanless life loser and programming
failure living off his Mom at age 42.

He knows NOTHING about anything even remotely technical. He is
destined to be an ignoramus button-pusher and mouse-clicker until
his dying day.

The GNU/Linux computing world will shovel him and his DuFuS buddy
into the lunatic dregs.

Luckily the "GNU/Linux computing world" isn't full of programming frauds
like you:

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owl: "And if it were 60 million records instead of 6000..."

Feeb: "Then I'd write it in C, using a reentrant lexical parser
and parallel processing."

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"I would like to contribute by implementing Euler angle rotation but,
jeezus fucking christ, I can't do everything now, can I?

Holy fuck! I am only a single human being. The GIMP people want me
to implement netpbm HDR formats. The ImageMagick folks want me to
implement AI. I gotta eat, sleep, piss, and shit. Give this poor boy
a fucking break!

But I am a FOSS person. I can do anything and everything and I can
do it all extremely well."


DFS note: NOT A CHANCE IN HELL you could write such code

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left side : "I am a FOSS person"
right side: "I couldn't care less about the [FOSS] "community."

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What a fucking phony.

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Le 18-01-2024, Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> a écrit :

destined to be an ignoramus button-pusher and mouse-clicker until
his dying day.

Like you. From what I saw, you use your mouse as much as you can and you
don't try to use your keyboard when it could be better. So why do you
despise someone exactly like you?

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

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On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 08:17:23 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects
royalties:

Greater diversity on Linux, greater fragmentation on BSD.

Not so sure about that.

Consider that there are perhaps half a dozen currently viable BSD
variants, as opposed to 50× that number of Linux distros. Yet it is easier
to move between Linux distros than it is to switch BSD variants.

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